Has Poverty Increased or Declined in Pakistan & India? I Contesting Poverty
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- #Poverty has become one of the most lucrative activities for #development practitioners. It is an emotional subject that needs to be unpacked. We will try to understand poverty, research on poverty and policy for #PovertyReduction.
- Why cannot we agree on a single definition of poverty?
- Why does the poverty definition change to show increasing poverty?
- Has poverty increased or declined in Pakistan?
- Do different players present different definitions and tailor them as they want?
- PIDE suggests poverty has declined in #Pakistan mainly because of the distributive effects of #remittances.
- What does that mean for Pakistan?
- We have built many poverty reduction institutions.
- Despite large funding for these institutions research shows their #impact to be shallow
- Do poor require more #opportunity than handouts?
Panelist:
DR SURJIT BHALLA
Former Executive Director for India, International Monetary Fund
DR NADEEM UL HAQUE (Moderator)
Vice Chancellor, Pakistan Institute of Development Economics - PIDE
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Debate Details:
0:00 Highlights of the debate
1:00 Logo & title
1:10 Introduction of the Guest (Surjit Bhalla)
2:30 "Imagine, there is no country" Intro to the Book
3:20 Poverty is an intellectual business
6:13 Role for Policy (Accelerated growth will reduced Poverty)
7:50 The World has changed
9:30 What is poverty in today's world?
11:45 A world free of Poverty?
16:40 Multi-dimensional poverty in India
17:15 Data is the new Oil
21:00 Relative Poverty
23:30 Surveys & Administrative Data
25:30 Instruments to eradicate poverty
28:50 A New Dream
30:25 Poverty Line for every country
30:45 The Mandate of looking after the Poor
38:10 Responsibility of Local Government
42:00 Manipulation in the Data creates problems
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Mashallah Zabardast waiting eagerly for this show also as always. It’s great to see amazing content from PIDE and especially Dr. Nadeem. Comparing poverty in Pakistan vs India will be worth watching. In last 6-8 year, half of our population has gone below poverty line while on the other hand India in last few years have alleviated 300 million people out of poverty and into the middle class. The only country that is growing at 7+% in the world is India surpassing everyone from USA to China. Want to know the reasons behind this.
Reason is simple. You invested in jihad,terrorism, india invested in education,
skills
as an Indian, I'm not at all happy with india's dismal performance of 6-7% . anything less than double digit growth is unsatisfactory taking into account that it is a low base income country.
Pakistan was never ahead than india interms of development because it was America who had been helping Pakistan financially with billions of dollars right from the very firsrt day whearse india was totally on its own 😊😊
Tonusasey kya fark partaa hai?? They chosen good friend USA and got the bnifit . US ke saerye dost ko US ne hlep kiyaa hai . Same for china .
@@GuzzarAwan why cry now? You are used to being spoonfed. Pakistanis take pride on Chinese acheivements as if they are Chinese. They are so dillusional. They are starved of something to take pride it. Latch on to ammnything. Turkeys Ertugal. Arab empire, Persian language. Nothing of own to take pride in. Nothing. So embarrassed about own country. So ashamed of acts of their country. They hide behind other names in foreign country
Not true
In the past saoedi Arabia helped India a lot and India never had to pay back
@@GuzzarAwan free mey dollars sirf Pakistan ko miley hai is liye wo Asian tiger ban raha tha kyuki baki sare Asian countries ko apne dum par progress karna tha aur yehi wajah hai ki Pakistan life mey kuch kar nahi oaya kyuki uska laga big dady kherat hamesha deta raheyga aur is islilye humko kuch karne ko zarrorat nahi aur yeh mey nahi prominent Pakistans bol rahey hai 😆 😅
@@mehrourbadloe8339 Saudi arabia helped india really but how please an enlighten my acquaintance
Why do Pakistanis have to drag INDIA in all of their discussion? Why can’t they just focus of their own country.
They are Indians. They know it. They can't lie to themselves. They are indian Muslims who were separated by British. They speak hindustani,dress hindustani,eat hindustani food. They keep aspiring to be an arab. But fail
@@induchopra3014 It is a big disillusion and myth among Indians that it were British who separated these Muslims from India. The MUSLIMS of India did want to be separated. Their idea of Pakistan was that all Muslim majority pockets would become Pakistan, even if they were deep inside India, like in UP. However that did not work out. Indians do not care whether these Pakistanis become Arab, Persians, Turks or Afghans. Indians should build a huge wall on border to keep these Pakistanis outside.
India and Pakistan are not same today.
They r 😂
@@VinodBandari-kc1cgyes. Same like india and China. Both have two eyes, two hands, two legs. Waste difference in how brains are used. Indians are obsessed with degrees education profession. Foreign education. Pakistanis with Islam,gazwa e hind. And ,india india.
Why drag India in to the discussion why, just fix yourself first.
Then walk the talk..
They only talk. And will go back to jihad, terrorism, islamism. They can only talk. Do nothing. Army will keep a tight control
More than 90% of phones being used in India are Made In India. Talking about Apple, Samsung, Oppo, Vivo etc. Our Digital revolution wherein a street vendor, an auto rickshaw driver, a shopkeeper even a samosa or tea seller all use smartphones having UPI linked with Bank Accounts.
Even labour ,
beggars have phones. Digital revolution. Pakistan has Islamic revolution. They insert religion in everything. India moving to AL revolution, Pakistan moving to Talibanisation
The value addition is less than 5% in India. The real work of development, R&D, high end manufacturing is all done outside.
@@sandeepshah105value addition is already about 20% and aur wo slowly hi increase hoga.
We can't start running before we learn how to crawl. 😑😑
@@PseudoProphet 20%? I dont think that seems right, the biggest value addition in a phone happens at the R&D, product development, marketing, financing which happens in Western world. In the manufacturing side its the chip manufacturing. Others are just basic assembly, plus the government is giving subsidy to the tune of USD 2bn for this, so net net you can see.
@@sandeepshah105 we will manufacture more and more parts and most we can make on our own, like battery and PCB and parts of the frame and structure.
Both our countries aren't banning cellphones. Pakistan maybe is. Indians are buying more and more high end cell phones. Please, khuda ka khauf karein..India Pakistan same nahi rahe. Aap anpadh gareeb ujadda hain, hum sirf ujadda hain.
Did the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) use cell phones? So why should anything about cell phones be of interest to any good person? You are wasting the time of humanity.
Are you mad? Why should phones be banned.seriously? You don't know the use of smartphones. Learn
@@induchopra3014 What can cell phones give that one can't get to an even better degree by following Islam and reading the Holy Quran?
The only question worth asking is: Have PakIstani children become better Muslims, more willing to sacrifice their own and oppressive unbelievers' lives for the service and great glory of Islam or not? If they have then the state of Pakistan has served its fundamental purpose. The rest is unimportant details.
True. They aim is to be ummah leader. To die for Islam. Not to grow economy. Their path is different. Indians want to drive Lamborghini, they want to go to 72 hoors. No comparison. Their whole soceity is educated to die for islam. Indians are schooled to live for country. Contribute.
I Thank Dr.Nadeem Haque for inviting Surjit Bhalla sir.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is pakistan think tank and "intellectual" who focus more on India than their own country. Why? Because that's what gets them views and simultaneously supports their agenda.
To end poverty is only one solution and that is to increase GDP . Bugger pie means more wealth from which govt can redistribute
15:30 If you don't remey how many clothes you bought in a year, then yourey definately not popr.
Respected Sir , My point of view is that , there is nothing absolute. However make an universal index that 10 or 12.5, 15, 17.5, or 20 % percentile of population is below poverty level or under privileged.
How did China , Russia , Cuba got rid of poverty ?
@liaqatali8561 Respected, there is No country ( in history, today nor in future) poverty free not possible. Reality is that Governments have evolved a system to help them. Food Pack, or cash payments by Governments by digitally is in practice. At present 8 - 10 % of population falls in this category world wide. Word Poverty may be replaced by some other like under privileged
@@ashrafalam6075you are wrong. Not much poverty in so many countries. Even central asia, asean countries are reducing poverty. Pakistan has wasted 50 years in terrorism. World is smart. Planning. Doing so much to increase business. They go to lengths to attract business. They create that environment. Whereas Pakistan ruins its reputation deliberately. Who will talk of cooperating with fanatics. Look at veitnam, so focussed. Look at Indonesia, competing for capital. Pakistan is nowhere. Wrapped up in own self glorification, we are custodians of islam. Islam is only business there. Selling it. Using it. Religion doesn't sell in India. You have to be tech savy
You should have knowledge, skills
@induchopra3014 Respected, I didn't mention Pakistan free of poverty. Very Happy, it means No prostitution dens in India/ Vietnam/ Thailand/ Western Europe/ USA. And similar conditions of other social variables like suicide etc etc
"Rich will always be with us. Poor will be always with us." In Pakistan's failed and bankrupt military state, the poor joined the rich. A peasant from Punjab became the military chief. He came from what the guest would like to define as "absolute poverty." After getting his share of extensions, he accumulated millions of dollars through "growth." By the time he left the golden office, he had joined the the community of billionaires. The journalist who reported his financial misadventures now reside in a land with a rule of law. The guest of his show is not be be blamed for this show, which is a waste of time. It's the host. He allowed a lunatic to utter gibberish. "Hell is empty. All the devils are here."
Both India and Pakistan are started as poor countries in the world though Pakistan was blessed with better natural resources.due to various reasons india is ahead of pakistan economically, politically and socially.pakistan will also develop nodoubt in future.but pakistan has to be intact and stable till that time comes.
بالکل فضول آدمی بٹھایا ہے سوائے انگریزی جھاڑنے کے اس کے پاس کچھ نہیں ہے جس کلاس کے بارے میں گفتگو ہو رہی ہے وہ انگریزی سمجھتے ہیں؟
India has done a lot on primary education. So much. Lots of work on increasing enrolment. Educated people have less children. Better lifestyles. Poverty reduces. Education and skill education is the only way. Not just measurement. India has done tremendous work on bringing children to schools. Now there are good schools in rural areas also. Every child is in school. Those out are mostly gypsy, laborers, some tribals. Govt is trying for them too. So cell phone, fridge, TV, scooter, bike are with poor too. Poverty has changed in India. Its about quality of education now. Not just education. Skill education is high. We have network of ITIs indian technical institutes which impart skills. They have done a lot. Polytechnics. Have played a huge role. He is not talking of that at all. Even a maids children are polytechnic educated. They find good jobs
Let me answer that for you: It has decreased in India, meanwhile increasing in Pakistan.
Bhai thoda sunna bhi seekho....Bina sune apna opinion pel Diya comment section me.
The level of your knowledge defines where you have completed your education..
The main point of this discussion is about poverty calculation, how it's measured and the inherent politics involved therein.
Spend any amount of time in the country, in any part of the country, then tell me how much poverty exists in that country, if anyone says it's more than other countries in the region, then they need to check their brain.
How do you measure wealth? If PakIstanis are more committed Muslims, more dedicated to the Global Glory of Islam today then they are wealthier by every important criterion. Can Indians match that achievement? We are not speaking of just the Congress Party and it's supporters in India but the Indian population in general.
@@youknow6968Correct. How can anyone measure poverty except by reading the Holy Quran?
Poverty in India is less than 5% in 2023
Mashallah Zabardast waiting eagerly for this show also as always. It’s great to see amazing content from PIDE and especially Dr. Nadeem. Comparing poverty in Pakistan vs India will be worth watching. In last 6-8 year, half of our population has gone below poverty line while on the other hand India in last few years have alleviated 300 million people out of poverty and into the middle class. The only country that is growing at 7+% in the world is India surpassing everyone from USA to China. Want to know the reasons behind this.
The main reason is Pakistan army
@@muhammadakramassi1476islam and america is the main reason of Pakistan downfall
GDP growth will always pull PPL out of poverty no matter what. All this discussion abt inequality and all is BS. Yes inequality may increase but poverty will also reduce . And the PPL at bottom only care that their income has increased or not. They don't care abt ambani and adani. Punjabis be it in Pakistan or India , specially the jutts have this communist mindset which they enforce by their religion too be it islam or Sikhism. Same islam in saudi uae is highly capitalist but in pakistan it becomes socialist how ?? Bcoz it's due to Punjabi mentality.
In india other parts specially Gujarat maharastra south and even UP PPL r entrepreneurial they r pragmatic and don't engage in socialist debate. India farmer agitation was jutt agitation which was a pro socialist agiatation means No reform . Where other parts of india accepted reform by Modi which r all free mkt reforms . Due to this reason whenver Indians from this part go to west they rise very fast and thrive not only in education but also own bussinesses. India was forcibly pushed communist mindset of nehru and CPI. Today it is breaking that shackles and with tine the growth rate will increase and Poverty will reduce faster . Anyway like bhalla said in india their is no absolute poverty today we do have lot of relative poverty . In india too bengal Kerala r communist so their social indictor r moderate , low inequality but now they r forever stuck on that . Capitalist have deserted these states .
@@GuzzarAwan
Needed to be said.