Let me thank you again for a very well explained demonstration video! I just want to leave the comment that there are two options how to twist your crossguard when doing an Absetzen: You can either go to the "correct" Ochs position, twisting your wrist while giving the cut so that the short edge is showing outwards or you can keep the long edge pointing outwards. The advantage of the first one is that your hand is better protected (especially your thumb if your switching to rest your thumb onto your blade) as it will be under your sword while I experienced the latter one to be faster (as you don't have to twist your wrist). The most important point is just that your cross should not end completely vertical or horizontal.
It's normally better to let your grip change on the sword than twisting the wrist. Turning the short edge out by bending the wrist means that it's a much weaker structure, and so if the opponent delivers a very heavy cut they'll be able to blow through that structure. If you change your grip while winding up into e.g. ochs, you can turn the short edge out while maintaining a strong wrist structure, which is able to then resist powerful strikes.
Crazy as it sounds these techniques work for lightsaber combat. I know that it isn't real sword play, however real techniques give you an edge when duling with them.
what is the effective difference between Absetzen and Ansetzen? Also, what is your stance on the Vier Versetzen clearly being mentioned as the Maisterhauen in other manuals, such as Ringeck and PPvD?
The way I see it Absetzen is a cut and Ansetzen is a thrust. Absetzen = to set down, break down, dethrone; You are stopping his cut with your own cut (e.g. Zornhau, Zwerchhau, Schielhau) so it is a counter attack because it parries and ripostes at the same time, it is faster but also riskier Ansetzen = to settle on, put on, implement; You stop his cut by putting your blade on his blade, then follow up with a thrust (e.g. Mutieren, Winden, Zornhau-ort) so it as parry and then a riposte so they are not happening simultaneous, it is slower but also safer In short: Abesetzen is a counter cut (1 move) and Ansetzen is a parry cut with a thrust as a riposte (2 moves) And Versetzen (to set aside, offset) is just a parry. Edit: changed some wording Edit 2: So i was wrong about the absetzen. apparently it is a specific thrust, done with a winding motion so you end in the ox position, so its basically a winden. My version of the absetzten is more descriptive of the versetzen in that it is the cut that parries the sword.
Absetzen is specific thrusting technique, when you want to keep your opponents blade on your true edge, pushing it outside and thrusting simultaneously. Ansetzen is more like "principle" sharing some similarities with those more detailed versions of versetzen. While versetzen is cutting into change of guard, ansetzen is same kind of action but with a tip. Easiest scenario to explain: both opponents keep langort position with tips in quite close or even slightly crossing (so quite agressive distance but not enough for safe durchwesseln to absetzen) and while one change from langort to low vom tag as preparation for immediately following oberhaw, second has to react fast and follow his opponents blade with is own tip reaching his opponents body before he could change his stance and start with is attack or at least before he could start it properly. It is all about timing and fast reaction, like both swords was tied together with some invisisble string - while first one is pulled, second one is immediately following and stabbing into this movement which cannot be so easily stopped or changed.
Ansetzen is sort of "frog DNA" from messer, it does not appear in longsword treatises as such. It is basically an "offensive absetzen", where you initiate with a thrust in a way that you close out the most obvious defensive action. I.e.: when your opponent is in right vom Tag, you step forward and stab from left Ochs, catching his blade and stabbing him. Aka: the Slavic flying lunge :D
Let me thank you again for a very well explained demonstration video!
I just want to leave the comment that there are two options how to twist your crossguard when doing an Absetzen: You can either go to the "correct" Ochs position, twisting your wrist while giving the cut so that the short edge is showing outwards or you can keep the long edge pointing outwards. The advantage of the first one is that your hand is better protected (especially your thumb if your switching to rest your thumb onto your blade) as it will be under your sword while I experienced the latter one to be faster (as you don't have to twist your wrist). The most important point is just that your cross should not end completely vertical or horizontal.
Thomas Heydenreich You are welcome. And thank you for the insight.
It's normally better to let your grip change on the sword than twisting the wrist. Turning the short edge out by bending the wrist means that it's a much weaker structure, and so if the opponent delivers a very heavy cut they'll be able to blow through that structure.
If you change your grip while winding up into e.g. ochs, you can turn the short edge out while maintaining a strong wrist structure, which is able to then resist powerful strikes.
Agree with others that outtro was awesome. Great little touch. I vote it becomes a regular thing.
thank you for the great videos. Greetings from Germany.
PS: great outro!!! Made me smile!
Thanks!
Great video very informative. Thanks guys.
Crazy as it sounds these techniques work for lightsaber combat. I know that it isn't real sword play, however real techniques give you an edge when duling with them.
Cool. Real techniques work with fantasy weapons. 😀
Great explanation, thanks guys :)
The german V is said like an F. Fersetzen.
Crazy as it sounds
what is the effective difference between Absetzen and Ansetzen?
Also, what is your stance on the Vier Versetzen clearly being mentioned as the Maisterhauen in other manuals, such as Ringeck and PPvD?
The way I see it Absetzen is a cut and Ansetzen is a thrust.
Absetzen = to set down, break down, dethrone;
You are stopping his cut with your own cut (e.g. Zornhau, Zwerchhau, Schielhau) so it is a counter attack because it parries and ripostes at the same time, it is faster but also riskier
Ansetzen = to settle on, put on, implement;
You stop his cut by putting your blade on his blade, then follow up with a thrust (e.g. Mutieren, Winden, Zornhau-ort) so it as parry and then a riposte so they are not happening simultaneous, it is slower but also safer
In short: Abesetzen is a counter cut (1 move) and Ansetzen is a parry cut with a thrust as a riposte (2 moves)
And Versetzen (to set aside, offset) is just a parry.
Edit: changed some wording
Edit 2: So i was wrong about the absetzen. apparently it is a specific thrust, done with a winding motion so you end in the ox position, so its basically a winden.
My version of the absetzten is more descriptive of the versetzen in that it is the cut that parries the sword.
Absetzen is specific thrusting technique, when you want to keep your opponents blade on your true edge, pushing it outside and thrusting simultaneously. Ansetzen is more like "principle" sharing some similarities with those more detailed versions of versetzen. While versetzen is cutting into change of guard, ansetzen is same kind of action but with a tip. Easiest scenario to explain: both opponents keep langort position with tips in quite close or even slightly crossing (so quite agressive distance but not enough for safe durchwesseln to absetzen) and while one change from langort to low vom tag as preparation for immediately following oberhaw, second has to react fast and follow his opponents blade with is own tip reaching his opponents body before he could change his stance and start with is attack or at least before he could start it properly. It is all about timing and fast reaction, like both swords was tied together with some invisisble string - while first one is pulled, second one is immediately following and stabbing into this movement which cannot be so easily stopped or changed.
Ansetzen is sort of "frog DNA" from messer, it does not appear in longsword treatises as such. It is basically an "offensive absetzen", where you initiate with a thrust in a way that you close out the most obvious defensive action. I.e.: when your opponent is in right vom Tag, you step forward and stab from left Ochs, catching his blade and stabbing him.
Aka: the Slavic flying lunge :D
@@Angelimir thank you! I actually figured that out a couple years ago lol. I study Fiore/Vadi and Highland Broadsword now
@@frankheninja1 sorry for being a slowpoke 😅
I am not sure this is an abzetzen, it looks more like a quick zornhau with an ort. Tell me if i am wrong
I'd like to see how you counter that
where can I get those training swords ?
They are standard Peter Regenyei feders. He has a list of suppliers on his site.
The first Unterhau you throw is pflung. Neato.
Hi Guys,
the way you do the "Absetzen" has two problems.
First it's not conform with the source. Second it's cutting you hands off.
TBH what you showed here is more of a winden than absetzen,.
lol. Good ending.