The Bulldog Choke In MMA - Analysis of a Catch Wrestling Classic
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- Опубліковано 2 бер 2019
- The Bulldog choke is a rare catch wrestling submission that was used by Ben Askren to get a win over Robbie Lawler. The Bulldog Choke has been used multiple times before in the UFC and in this video I breakdown how and why it can work.
In the UFC it has been used by Carlos Newton to submit Pat Miletich, Chris Lytle used it to submit Tiki Ghosn, Tim Elliot used it to win a fight on the ultimate fighter and Raquel Pennington and Uriah Faber both won with Bulldog chokes on the same evening.
It is essentially a mix between a headlock and an RNC and If an attempt at a bulldog choke is available then it means the attacker is forgoing the opportunity to insert back hooks in to establish a more secure position to complete the choke from.
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Very very informative. good job, subscribed.
Thank you Francis 🙏 Appreciate it!
Even though Askren is just now part of the UFC, it's no secret Dana White has a long history of hating on him. The Lawler matchup was on purpose since he's a brawler. White wanted Askren get beat up and lose. That's why Askren said "Hey Dana, is that really the best you got?" after the fight. It wasn't a diss on Lawler, it was about White not getting what he expected.
Carlos Newton got the Welterweight championship by doing this to Pat Miletech. Pat was so pissed.
Exactly! 🙏
Who would have ever thought that this once "Unheared Of" choke would gain so much interest and traction from The Funky One.
Very interesting to hear the history of the move. Great video. Keep them coming!
Great, topical breakdown.
Very cool video Coach!
If the choke was around mouth and above the chin, the would have slipped out quite easily. That was not the case because Ben had Robbie's lower part of chin and partially neck tight period. A bulldog choke is not a headlock. The chin is not facing towards you unlike the most of the headlock situations. There was no way Robbie would have been able to get out of that till the bell saved him. Not to mention, he was not fighting the choking hands at all as he didn't have much strength in his whole body being choked out hard. What do you expect a referee to do that at that point?
Even if Robbie was not out, it is his fault that not fighting the choking hands at all and let his arm go limp like that in front of millions of people.
If how Robbie did is considered a legit, then how many fighters will fake their status and get an easy way out from bad positions.
Watch the graciebreakdown on this, it was very well done.
Facts bro. Same thing I said. Ben hold on your boy for dear life. Rob wasnt fighting back. Ref made a good call. You got to love MMA there's several ways to win.
The thing was that Herb Dean made the decision for him. Watch The Weasle's breakdown of that ending. He shows a few frames where Lawler gave a thumbs up and flexed his arm while Herb was kneeling to check on him. Should've let him pass out. He wasn't getting out of it.
@R M The weasel the weasel lol who is thst dude? No offence but why do I take his thoughts on this over other experts like Graciebreakdown. Also, you cannot just let fighters pass out if you care about their longevity. Being a good referee, you never really want to let that happen otherwise why do we even need a referee?
We don't even know if that was a legit thumbs up. Also, Ben was distracted when Herb approached so he released a bit. That's when Robbie probably came back. Like you mentioned, whether he was out or not, there was no way for him to get out of that. He was not even fighting the choking hands. He was letting Ben to squeeze hard enough for Ben to burn his arms out? Give me a break...No legitimate coach would teach you not to fight chocking hands when you are put in a bulldog choke. I am sure you know how nasty that choke is. It is not a headlock.
@@John2corner
The Weasle's channel is good about digging up new information about particular controversies. The Gracies just analyze the value of techniques, not frame by frame video analysis.
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Don't forget that if you pull/crank upwards going backwards, you can break a neck. Ben can crush watermelons, he surely could have broken Lawler's jaw or snapped his neck. Lastly, Couture had this technique of isolating his arm muscles while choking someone so that the lactic acid would be minimal. Askren, being a legit top wrestler, maybe could have held on for the remaining time in the round.
you so fast! thanks !
Sometimes inspiration just strikes !
That's what she said
I'm just starting to get into MMA and channels like this are a big help when trying to understand this brutal, beautiful sport. I just wanna say I appreciate what you do. Definitely got a new subscriber.
Amazing video
Thank you ! 🙏🙏🙏
excellent Sonny
Thanks brother!!!
Have done this to someone in sparring. If you don’t get the throat you’ll crush their jaw or possibly their neck muscles which do have their limits.
That Books-a-Million jazz though.
I love it :)
This might be the most aggressive submission ever!
Breakdowns faster and more explosive than a mentos in cola!!
Had to scramble the interceptors for a quick response ✈✈✈
Rocky's bulldog choke at 181 is one of the most badass moments in UFC history imo
It was brutal!
I just can’t stop watching the intro’s to these video’s!!!! It’s like I’m listening to lead up music to 1980’s soft p@rn!!!
Haha I appreciate the support Oz!
Bulldog is a pure cacc move, I always wonder how easy is to transfer to bulldog choke in fight after a headlock. Your reaction speed in MMA is faster than light
Yep its CACC! It is hard to get the arm under the chin from the standard headlock but it is till possible 🙏🙏🙏
@@SonnyBrown thx for reply, even if your opponent have zero experience in grappling is still difficult apply a bulldog choke
What is CACC?
@@wrenches5243 Catch as Catch Can
Wow didn't know it had a name... As a white belt in bjj I've choked out two purple belt's with this exact technique.
No problem !
Out of curiosity, would you consider Khabib vs Shalorus to be a Bulldog Choke?
Ben deserved that victory. No way Rob was getting out of that.
I agree he was not getting out, and that his right ear was not covered, people were upset because he didn't tap, wasn't out, and argue that it wasn't positioned to actually choke him out.
@@DedicatedSpartan Lawler momentarily passed out .
Very common attack in our playground at school when we where kids. I guess because of WWF.
Schoolyard Headlock!
Chris Benoit was the one who taught me how to get out of it, with a suplex.
day boo
Is this the hammerfist of submissions?
the lawler askren choke made his whole body cease
Pretty controversial one !
Sonny, based on what you seen of Ben Askren against Lawler, you think he’s going to survive? He gets hit with big shots (chasing for those takedowns) and I don’t think his chin is going to last for a lot of fights
Askren was able to close the distance right away and wrap up Lawler. In his post fight he mentions making a small positional mistake when taking Robbie to the mat. That's how Robbie was able to muscle into that Fireman's Carry, slam him on his head, and proceed to ground and pound. If anything you see how composed Ben stays when getting punched on the ground. I think he needs to work on his striking defense and entries but he was on his was to smothering Robbie. Just my opinion though.
Fernando Antonio you would think someone who is 19-0 has already got his entries figured out. Also how do you make a grappling mistake like that, when you are a top grappler? To be honest not very promising fight, we’ll have to see what he does in the next fight
@@ishakaimen1576 Top grappler or not mistakes happen all the time. Plus that slam was all muscle. Robbie's one strong Mofo. By entries I mean more his ability to close distance without getting punched. That's something that comes with sparring reps. He also took very little damage while standing. He was on his way to smothering Robbie like a wet blanket. The longer the fight the better odds get for the grappler. Especially one that doesn't rely on power and strength like Ben. I'm a grappler so maybe I'm bias
Dude he only took shots because he got slammed and was smart enough to grab Robbie, find his hands, trying to transition to a better position. In exchange Askren took clean heavy blows which was better because most fighters go defensive mode and curl up in a ball or go on their back in attempt to pull guard. In that situation that’s the worst thing you can do because you just got slammed and you’re opponent is going to drop bombs on you if you go defensive and don’t attempt to get out of that position they stop the fight right then. Better to try and do something getting Jko’d in the process then avoid possibly get hit clean but the fight stops.
I thought the Lawler fight would finally give us a clear answer to that but I still have questions! One thing to consider is that Lawler may have been one of the worse matchups for him in the UFC. I think he would handle Jorge Masvidal and RDA.
I'm sure the bulldog choke would work in a street fight since it looks like a cross between a headlock and a rear naked choke.
It could! 🙏
De-boo
I sincerely believe some people dislike videos for no reason.
I think on this video people who didn't agree with the stoppage on the Askren fight would have got to it.
@@SonnyBrown LOL, that's no reason to dislike your content, you didn't stop the fight.
Jiri hit this on Glover
Did Askrens arm go around Lawlers neck or around the mouth?
Mouth
Let Go neck. His ear was completely exposed. His arm was actually nowhere near his ear. Which is why it was weird that he didn’t respond to herb
He had him at the very bottom of his chin. So he was squeezing his chin up into his neck cutting off the circulation.
@Nak Muay Guy Its not some guy, its Robbie Lawler. Bulldog choke is effective whenn u have it under the chin. And we all forget fact that when people claim he was out, he gave thumbs up at the same time?
@@0subscribers706 wth are you talking about? lol if the choke was around mouth and above the chin, the would have slipped out quite easily. Do you even roll?
Also, Ben had Robbie's lower part of chin and partially neck. A bulldog choke is not a headlock. The chin is not facing towards you unlike the most of the headlock situations. There was no way Robbie would have been able to get out of that till the bell saved him. Not to mention, he was not fighting the choking hands at all as he didn't have much strength in his whole body being choked out hard. What do you expect a referee to do that at that point?
If you want to say, well he was not out, so it was a bad stoppage. Even if Robbie was not out, it is his fault that not fighting the choking hands at all and let his arm go limp like that in front of millions of people.
If how Robbie did is considered a legit, then how many fighters will fake their status and get an easy way out from bad positions.
Watch the graciebreakdown on this, it was very well done.
Reverse bulldog choke? 2:19? Wouldn't that just be a guillotine?
"Reverse" is misleading your understanding. Compare that execution to the one at 0:55 They're being reversed along a different axis. You don't guillotine people who are belly up unless you're in mount.
@1:33 Now THAT'S a Bulldog Choke! Who is That??
Which one exactly ?
Well I'm glad someone watched my video😂
Thanks! I'll put the links to all the other bulldog chokes in the description so you can add to yours!
why do they always say controversial.. Lawler was out.. he regains consciousness quick just like he did against his 1st fight against Nick Diaz.. when Diaz KO punched him.. he hit the canvas .. popped right up like "im okay"..
Stipe tapped
Hi Joz 🐟
there's a site actually StipeTapped.com
Why is it called bulldog choke?
Does this really need a study. Come one bro. My friends dad was using this in the 70s
Had you already seen every example shown in the video?
Sonny Brown hold on let me see. Not gonna lie I didn’t even watch it. But my friends dad was a wrestler and this was a go to move. We thought it was corny when he would do it. I laughed when Ben askren did it. I call it the Han. I’ll watch it right now tho lol, my bad
Sonny Brown also I use to use this all the time with my friends. This that noogie move
Sonny Brown aight just watched. 😅. Yup this that exact same shit. That leg kick out lol. This was my friends dads go to. He swore by it. Fuck it it’s a classic. But it’s basic and been done forever
Sonny Brown that reverse bulldog was sick tho. I had to watch it a few times. I’m stealing that one
Ufc 6 Pat Smith I think
You might be right!
Is it actually how you choke bulldogs? why is it called bulldog choke
Now thats a good question!
You meen a headlock?
No, a headlock is different.
@@SonnyBrown please explain.
Honestly Lawler could have reversed it with another Olympic slam.
Yeah could have, was controversial for sure.
stop with the BS already . . .
Robbie was choked out by Ben in UFC 235, robie's arm went limp period !
Rule #3 states stoppage by unconsciousness is permitted.
Herb Dean called it right!!!
I lost $100 on that fight.
I wanted to see R.L. win !!!
What BS ?
@@SonnyBrown they are agreeing with you and telling the haters to stop the BS, my guess anyway.
Ben asterisk * he didn't win that fight. Bulldog choke requires a terrible ref to call the fight even while person being choked is giving a thumbs up. Cool
Your opinion does not matter he did win that fight nothing you say changes that you're in pure denial, secondly with 1:55 on the clock while ben got the bulldog locked in robbie would be in serious danger within the next 5-8 seconds and would go to sleep either way askren was gonna win that fight.
ROID CHOKE
Lawler wasn't getting out
Maybe not!