5 Reasons to NOT BUY the 2023 Toyota Sienna…
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- In this video I play devils advocate and talk through the top 5 reasons to NOT BUY the new 2023 Toyota Sienna. I talk through this while showing my personal 2023 Toyota Sienna XSE 25th Anniversary Edition.
The 5 reasons are:
1. The optic… it’s a minivan…
2. Gutless
3. Rear cargo space / no diaper changing
4. Limited functionality (no off-roading)
5. Unknown reliability
What are your thoughts? How does the Sienna stack up to the Chrysler Pacifica and Honda Odyssey?
Thanks for watching!
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The biggest reason not to get a Sienna is the dealers want a $9,500.00 premium over list. Pure ripoff. I am sure some people are stupid enough to pay it, but to me it is not worth an almost 20% premium over list MSRP.
It for sure isn’t worth any type of markup….
I raised my 3 daughters and owned a 1995 Toyota Previa SC for all of those years. My youngest daughter bought a 2022 Sienna AWD last year and they love it. Compared to what I owned all those years it's bigger, has more power, and it a lot nicer. I'll go through your point one at a time.
1. The Minivan Optic - People need to get over themselves. Why do so many people care what others think? I've also spoken to minivan owners that said they would never own one and now love it a lot more than their SUV. If you had 2 rear doors on the Sienna that opened like SUV doors and lifted it slightly people would think it looked amazing. The shape and design is extremely good looking.
2. Gutless - This has 90 hp more than my Previa and I didn't have any issues getting around. I've driven my daughters Sienna and it gets up and goes just fine. It's not a race car and doesn't need 500hp. People need to slow down and relax as this is much quicker than my Previa. The other benefit is that while the Sienna has more power than my Previa it also gets much better mpg. My daughter sees 34-37mpg vs my 17-21mpg!
3. Rear cargo space - Many people may not need the entire 3rd row up which would give you more space. With the deep bin though you have a lot more space than I ever had and I always managed to make it work. Just use the floor when opening a sliding rear door, which there are 2 of them compared to the one I had on the Previa.
4. Limited Functionality - Off roading? It's a minivan and that issue never affected me. Most SUV owners never, ever go off road either so that's a very lame excuse as they just want the image that they do.
5. Unknown reliability - I would argue just the opposite. This powertrain has been around for years in other cars like the RAV4 Hybrid and Camry Hybrid. Toyota hybrids are very reliable and have an excellent reputation for reliability. You mention the V6 Honda Odyssey's V6 reliability and it's been known for many issues with its engine and more so transmission. The eCVT in the Sienna has been bullet proof. And to repeat, that 35+ mpg is much better than the 20 mpg with a V6 at these gas prices.
Solid arguments !
I think this review is not just. Minivans are not meant to be compared with SUVs. Minivans are not for racing and fast pickups, and perform differently compared to sedan cars. Their main use is practically for larger families and the comfort and space they bring in. Furthermore, minivans are supposed to look like minivans, lol, i never expected my minivan to look any different than a minivan. Furthermore toyota hybrids have been out for almost a decade and proven with time. I dont think any of the 5 reasons justify not to buy a sienna.
Yes so true I totally agree with u
100% agree. Why is this minivan being compared to SUVs (even full size SUVs) as for reasons not to buy it? They are separate vehicle categories. People generally don't take minivans off road. This model has been on the market for 2 years so if there's been any reliability issues, it would have been known. Toyotas are known for long term reliability. There is a high demand for the Sienna and if a buyer finds a new one at a dealer, it's likely marked up in price beyond the MSRP.
I can confirm a Honda Pilot with the third row up does not have more cargo space then a minivan. The cargo space behind an upright 3rd row in most SUVs is not functional, especially for families with kids.
I'm not 100% certain there's more room in our Navigator L behind the 3rd row than a Sienna honestly.There's less cubic feet for certain, but not sure how that parlays in the real world.
Yes thank you.. I need space to fit my kids, in and out fast.. not looking to race anyone.. driving a minivan is for comfort...lol..and I can convert it to a mina camper when kids all grown and drive their own cars. Toyota is still the best for minivan. We looked at the highlander a d hated thr back row option, so cramp..so we bought our second sienna.
I traded in a 2012 Odyssey for a 23 Sienna. My Odyssey was a lemon from day one with AC issues, and the engine had to be rebuilt at 90K miles, due to issues with the rings. My only two complaints about the Sienna is poor interior lighting, and a hard to operate multi media display. It has plenty of power, and I love the 34 mpg around town. As far as changing diapers, open a side door, slide the second row seat back, and you have a large flat surface to work with.
Comment I was looking for. We have 2 small kids and are probably going to get a van over a 3 row suv. A changing area is a must.
@atfireman4175 the Sienna is great but in limited supply. I waited year for delivery, once I ordered it
@@robertheinkel6225 oof… ok thanks for the reply
I’m sorry to hear about your Honda Odyssey’s piston rings issue. My coworker’s 2018 Honda Odyssey also has piston rings issue at 100K miles he ended up selling it to CARMAX for $8K yuck! His previous 2006 odyssey had transmission broke at 180K miles 🤢 my 2005 Toyota Sienna is still running great with strong engine and transmission at 324K miles. My previous Toyota Supra, Avalon, Highlander, Prius never experienced engine nor transmission even at 300K miles.
48 years of car ownership, Toyota & Lexus rule😊
Honda and Acura are joining American brands reliability and longevity 😕
@@robertheinkel6225 we waited 10 months after our deposit. Hoping it was worth the wait!
The optic of having a minivan? I’m not 14 years old. I don’t care what strangers think about me. People who want suv over a minivan care about what strangers think about them, more then they care about their families’ comfort. Strange world.
You’re among the minority unfortunately. Most people care what people think of them… which is a shame.
I have a 2021 Sienna the first year they came out. I absolutely love it MPG, room to carry a ton of vacation equipment and just a joy to drive.
Me too..I have the 2021😊
Idk why an adult would care what anyone thinks. Seems high school.
The Palisade does NOT have a bigger space behind the 3rd row. I commented on your 5 reasons you love the Sienna. We had a Palisade before our Ody. Now, the Ody has a much deeper well behind the 3rd row than the Sienna does. But, even if it didn’t, there’s definitely more usable space.
To your point, the Yukon XL or Suburban to get more room behind the 3rd row. However, you’re in a SUV. Harder to get into. Terrible gas mileage….and terrible reliability…..and on and on. I looked at new ones of those also….
Yes, 280HP and you do feel it. Lol. Another good video. Appreciate the honesty.
You only need 1 reason not to get a Sienna. It's impossible to find. I you're willing to pay $2k+ "market adjustment" and endless dealer fees and addons, then sure you can find one.
Just got a 2015 Toyota Sienna XLE- love it wish I had bought this van in 2015 when we decided to get a Chrysler town & country brand new - this van had lots of reliability issues & after 110,000 mile the transmission gave out & it was out of warranty.
Personally I will only own Toyota & Honda vehicles from now on for Reliability alone - thanks for listening my thoughts- GOD BLESS YOU ALL
It’s the same reliability as the other hybrids that Toyota has made. The 2.5 has been around for a few years now
I think all those reasons wont make huge difference if you think about the family as the family always comes first. You are being an amazing dad thinking so much deeper that you found a place for changing a diaper. This is reality of life, becoming a parent is not easy but we try to give comfort to our kids as much as we can. I keep repeating my self in all of your videos that I am waiting for my Sienna desperately. But by the time I get mine, that diaper changing spot will not be useful for me any more LOL.. But that was really thoughtful!
Oh man this review 5 bad things and all I heard is low ground clearance.
Hybrids last forever as toyota goes. Transmission doesn't take much stress, brakes will last forever.
It's my wish list vehicle. Have had two prius' already.
thanks for this review. I am considering buying a Sienna 2023. I have a toyota sienna 2006 for the past 18 years and still going.
Good video. I never thought I’d see you in a mini van but I get it. From raptor and Trds to van. Go figure. But it makes sense. I want to see in the next few months what you trade it in for. Can’t wait.
This makes the most sense for you and your family. But I understand the mini van look and what represents you? But you did the right thing, and your family will enjoy it and appreciate it! Keeping Real is a good look Imo
The fact that your first reason was the idea of a van it’s ridiculous
We have decided that what we buy is a status symbol or somehow tells the world how cool we are. If you need a vehicle to feel cool, then you aren’t
Vehicles can absolutely be cool. But if you can afford a flashy giant SUV, you'd be better served with a minivan for DD AND pickup or sports car for fun.
That hurts....😢
Why are YOU so concerned???
I told my students, once you quit trying to be cool, you can have a lot more fun.
Then that justifies buying a car that makes you feel cool if you're not cool right
During a test drive both of us noticed the drive train, wind and road noise. It seemed quite loud for a new 2023 vehicle, it reminded us more of something from the 90s. We drove on the interstate at around 60 to 80 mph along with some back roads. More noise from inside around the dash and behind us, both squeaks and rattles. Like you, we also have a Land Cruiser and that could be part of it, we are just use to it being dead quiet inside.
We're getting a Sienna soon. The reason is to make it easier for both my elderly parents to get in and out off. The sliding door and widened opening makes it easier for them and not too high as well. I can also turn it into a quick camper van for road trips and camping. I just need to remove the 3rd row seat. I'm super excited! I can't wait!
The Sienna will be perfect for them. Great reason to buy one. =] congrats!
Goodluck getting a new one "soon." Wait times and dealer mark ups are ridiculous
As a 5'2 senior, finding it higher in both front and side doors. In fact, when entering the back seat, I must grab the bar and pull myself up! Hope your parents can access it safely. This is our third Sienna since 2005 and this one is definitely taller.
Remember it will sit higher the the normal car.
@@johntrevett2944 you're right! That's why I'm searching for a 2nd hand 2021 to newer with low mileage. I'm not going to pay the added money for new ones.
I had the AWD version with 18" wheels... I can imagine the FWD models with 20" wheels are worse! I didn't have an XSE to test drive beforehand, but I had a sienna LE rental and I liked it. I didn't think the XSE would be THAT much stiffer... well, it is folks. Find a way to go for a test drive. the XSE also does not have the acoustic glass or sound deadening, so with the stiffer suspension I feel that it transfers more noise into the cabin. the suspension is just overkill for a minivan.
I'm not gonna lie, I love the Sienna. Once my kids are grown up in 10
years I still plan to drive the Sienna as my everyday car. I recently bought a Camry Hybrid XLE and while i love how fast it picks up. I miss having all this storage room. I still have my Sienna that I drive when i have my kids. But the Sienna looks gorgeous. I tell everyone i know who has kids to buy a Sienna.
#6: cannot remove the 2nd row. This defeats the purpose of getting a minivan: a passenger hauler that has the potential to carry large cargo.
But the second row seats can slide all the way up to the front seats or back against the rear seats. I had an Odyssey, and only removed the second row seats twice in 12 years.
@@robertheinkel6225 but it's still less cargo than all other rivals
@@robertheinkel6225 you can actually take the middle row seats out... in about 15minutes... especially if you only use them a few times a year
@@robertheinkel6225I drive an odyssey now, but my gateway mini van was a grand caravan that has stow and go middle and rear. 75% of the time I stowed the middle row because I could and it was super easy to do. If my odyssey was that easy, I'd stow them all day long.
@@noahschechtel8979 The point is, in my 2015 Ody, the seats come out with no tools in about 5 seconds. People on one trip, cargo on the next, and back; we do it all the time.
You forgot the biggest fatal flaw...you can't get one within a reasonable time frame.
I just today cancelled my order for a 2022 that I placed in June 2022, since they called me today saying it will be coming in November. Since the total price is $5,000 more than it was when I signed, I asked for my deposit back.
I was willing to take the chance on reliability, although my main concern wasn't the engine but the battery. It's Ni metal hydride, not lithium, and I drive my cars to 200,000k+. But as others have said, Toyota's been making hybrids for decades.
Our 2012 Sienna with 140k miles is fine, I'll replace the struts next month. We're past the family car thing, but it's still super-useful as an enclosed pickup truck. Just last weekend we drove a 300-pound tiller into it with no problem.
You can't take the 2nd row seats out of this now, which severely limits its use for cargo, which was a big reason I had second thoughts about it...although it's hard (or impossible) to find a car with comparable cargo space for the same money.
And the whole negative of "it's a minivan, so people will laugh at you" is just, with respect, stupid. I think $60,000+ SUVs with less usable space worthy of laughter.
AWD and 35+ MPG for 39k....can't be beat.
Bruh....ever heard of the Prius? That drive train has been perfected over a decade of development...so for you to say UNKNOWN reliability makes you seem a little ignorant at best. If you don't like it get a Odyssey or a Pacifica. The Sienna will outlast anything in it's class. So stop trying to downplay something that has been tried and tested to be the most reliable hybrid systems available.
Can’t believe I’m watching these minivan videos haha. I guess I’ll watch anything Untamed 😂
I love this mini van,My neighbor has one and it's so easy to get in. Especially if you're of 40 or age if you've had back injuries or Sciatica like I do.He has an AWD hybrid 38 miles a gallon. And I've driven like an old man since I got my first and only speeding ticket when I was 22 ,28 years I'll be buying one in the Fall.I have a Jeep for off-road fun . Minivans are logical even if you don't have kids.Like me I prefer comfort and ease of entry. My 2011 Cadillac DTS s a struggle to get in.Its a beautiful car,but it gets 15 miles a gallon. 38 miles a gallon is great.
My family has the mini van and Jeep Wrangler combo as well. Works amazing for what we need.
The Sienna XSE has stiff and hash suspension, even the smallest road imperfections will cause it to shake all over, with various interior components making all kinds of squeaks and rattles, like a symphony orchestra. It was my first minivan and it looked good: lowed body, big wheels low profile tire, sport body kit. Aside from the vibration and noise, it didn't give me any sense of a sports car. I sold this POS within a year.
Thanks so much for sharing. I’m a dad that don’t mind driving a minivan. I’ve owned a Nissan Quest and it was great when our kids were younger. I have a Nissan Armada and boy.. what a gas guzzler 😢. I’ve been torn between the Sienna Hybrid and the Honda Odyssey Elite 🤔
Thanks for watching! The Honda is great too.. pros and cons to each. Win win 👌
I HAVE HAD MY 2006 SEINNA since 2006..
200,000 miles , still drives and looks new … AND USED FOR EVERYTHING … and plenty fast with the 3.3L gas engine !!!!!
The Sienna has a 648mi range..
I don't think any other minivan had that.. and yea it's not quick.. but it is feature full
And the Woodland Edition of the Sienna gives you the ground clearance to help you out on Gravel trails & snow/mud
Comparing the Sienna to body on frame XL suv's like the Escalade, Suburban & Yukon XL isn't really fair. Yes, behind the 3rd row they're bigger. But they're also body on frame huge SUV's.
Most minivans that store their 3rd row have that dip down.. not optimal for changing babies.. but for that you can slide the 2nd row seats back and have ample room for that in between 1st & 2nd Row on a flat surface.
Yes I like strong acceleration.. but for all it does give you.. It's one of the best Van's on the Market.
It’s a great vehicle if you have a big family. I understand why you bought it 👍🏼
I have the 2022 Sienna XSE. Great Minivan. If I wanted to off-road I would have gotten a 4Runner. Minivan is great. Don’t let this guy scare you from buying. One problem I have is the captain seats are hard to slide and I wished it was electronic. Says 36mpg but only gets 31mpg. It’s 50% more than any other. Power is fine. Changing diapers are easy. Just carry doggie pads in the seat storage and lay it down for changing. Our dog loves the space when traveling far.
I have a 2021 sienna xse , I have a gmc Sierra 2022 denali hd diésel , and I have a 2020 gmc Yukon Denali , and also I have 2016 Mercedes sprinter van high roof , and I can tell that I always take the sienna when I have to travel for over 60 hours with my three kids my wife and I , believe me I tested the sienna to the limit with 12 people inside and a cargo roof Basquet with full of baggage 🧳 and stuffs with very heavy up hills and crazy rain and off road, and I love all my vehicles but my heart is for my sienna ,such a beautiful moments and dangerous moments too and still like brand new , of course with 40.000 miles on it but I don’t care I will have an other one when is the time , just go and get it brother, I know is a little loud when accelerating but when you get the road already then relax and enjoy the trip like an airplane ✈️
I own a pest control business and bought a Nissan nv 200 and actually like the cargo capacity. And now that Nissan no longer makes the cargo vans I’m looking at the sienna next. Before I bought the Nissan I wouldn’t have ever considered a minivan as a daily driver
This van is extremely expensive now, almost $80K including tax.
4:50 We have a Sienna too, a 2011 model. Use the middle Captain's Chairs to change our kids. It's nice the middle is a sliding door and is'nt in the way and the Captain's seats are nice and big. The only quam I have about our Sienna is the out of the blocks power. Given it's size that's understandable, but really annoying when you are at a traffic light and the other side merges from 2 to 1. No way are you going to be in front unless someone is driving a 4 cylinder car.
For me, I love minivans. I can’t get suv cuv or a truck . They are too high and hard to get in and out for me. And minivan is more practical and functional and no sliding doors
I also got new highlander hibryd and getting 45 mpg and have 8 passenger and I love it also looking to buy new sienna for my limo buiss...toyotas hibryds are the best and you can always trust em
Just got my sienna and i love it! Just wish the platinum edition has the sxe look. The sxe looks beautiful!
how is the ride comfort on those 20" rims/50 series tires?
Those reasons would be all the reasons for me to get the Sienna!!!! But I see your point…
Haha I hear you on that =]
Dealer mark up and wait time are the problems. The hype is there too. I had a sienna, now driving an ody. For me, sienna only has 2 advantages, fuel efficiency and slower depreciation rates. That is it.
I traded my 2012 Odyssey in for a 23 Sienna. My city mileage is now 34 instead of 17. No complaints about acceleration. Step on it and it will squeal the front tires.
Almost every mini van ive seen has roof storage. Some mechanism like ladder racks have now to bring it to ground height during loading would do wonders for comfort and cargo space.
Def have changed diapers in the back of our SUV. lol Thanks for that tidbit.
Haha my pleasure!
Sienna is the best choice for larger family. Reliable, comfortable more space and good fuel economy.
Is this powertrain used in other models ?
alot of unhappy customers when they hit 100k miles and discover that 35mpg at turtle speeds turned into 18. liquid cool your batteries toyota. i dumped mine at 60k when I couldnt get more than 26mpg. whats the point in paying 40k if you cant deliver on the hybrid aspect. WHAT SHOULD I HAVE PURCHASED A NEW BATTERY? ridiculous
Thae cargo space behind the Palisade is 23 cubic feet vs Sienna 33.5 cubic feet, i am not sure how a mid size SUV has more? Full size yes but not a palisade.
It does what a minivan does, dont compare it with XL suvs not a fair comparison, u buy a van for its purpose, this is the best van in the market cant wait to get my hands on one.
I’m comparing it because a lot of families (like my own) cross-shop the two segments.
Don't know about this new hybrid sienna, but my 2013 sienna se has 270K miles and is still going strong.
I want the LE. Did you pay the fake up charge over the
3 of the 5 are generally for any minivan. I agree about gutless!
it has 4 cylinder engine, but it has better acceleration than previous 6 cylinder sienna.
When you put it in sport mode, it does go. On normal mode, it's just okay.
The 2015 Siennas have 266 Horse Power, and it feels very powerful
Have had our 2023 Platinum for 2 weeks, this being our third Sienna. First surprises: the issue of only ONE key fob until further notice and NO spare tire. Even those shiny "chrome" wheels are plastic. Remaining to be impressed.
Sorry to hear. The 36mpg was certainly a big win but we were left underwhelmed overall. We sold ours… bought an Escalade, which has proven to be a much better family hauler (4 littles).
Whatever works best for our needs, right? As seniors, we're a bit nervous. However, won't complain less frequent visits to the pump.@@UntamedMotors
I currently have the 2014 Honda Odyssey and though i would like to buy a new one, it's just hard to give up the van since it has been a lifesaver for so many people and things we do. If there's only a thing i wanted to have is the apple carplay... i know i know... but yeah.
I don't like that you can't remove the second row seats. This is a deal breaker for me and I hope they change that in future designs as I absolutely need the space.
Agree big deal destroyer. 73
Me too.
I just purchased a 2021 sienna and love it
That’s great to hear, congrats!
love my van, But struggles at hills, I have the AWD but seems once ev discharge, on the hills or incline, feels like with breakdown any second.
To me, the big reason NOT to buy or stay away from Toyota Sienna is "Dealer Mark up price".
The Honda pilot does not have more room with the third row up and neither do the suburban or Yukon. Try sitting in the Yukon, suburban or Tahoe third row. It's tiny compared to the sienna not to mention you need to crawl back there. Then there's no food wells your feet are right next to the seat in the third row. The siennas third row is actually comfortable considering how far back you can recline the seats and there are actual footwells that you can rest your feet in. I know your really not comparing the trunk space of a pilot to the sienna
Toyota should offer hybrid max engine too.
Next generation Sienna will have it!
A pilot has more cargo space? I have a 22 pilot and 23 sienna. The pilot trunk is tiny
I give the Honda Odyssey points for better cargo-space options - the ability to completely remove midde-row seats nad have a relatively full-flat cargo space is handy. Also, even in all-wheel-drive mode, towing is problematic with all front-wheel drive - the heavier front-end slumps down, the rear trailer hitch jacks up, and vice versa. Riding in any of the rear seats is like seesaw. And motion-sickness possibilities a constant, the lack of a window to hang someone's head out means EVERYONE gets to enjoy motion-sickness 'aromas' for a long LOOONG time. (And even a minute is an eternity!)
What you said about the inability to remove the middle row seats keeps me from going w Sienna
Believe it or not. We have 2024 sienna and 2021 oddyssey, and let me tell you what, oddyssey has most damm bad fuel efficiency. I know it has v6 engine and so many better things than sienna BUT! LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT THIS, THOSE ARE MINIVAN NOT A RACING CAR
I enjoyed my 2017 Sienna. But I sold it. I just bought 2023 Odyssey Touring model. My reasons for not returning to the Sienna are straight forward. First, i could not remove the middle row seats. Second, Sienna cost more and hard to find. Dealers were not flexible at all. Third, I did not care about AWD. We live in the South. Four, the 2023 Sienna is inferior to the 2017 except for gas milage. In summary, my biggest reason was not being able to remove the middle seat. In essense, I wanted a pickup truck with enclosed cargo capacity.
I love toyota sienna's, but, o my gosh!, I Test drove the 2023 hybrid. . I could not believe how noisy the engine was. It sounds like a Tesla in reverse! The 4 cyl. engine starts up at 35 mi per hour and that sounds like a motorcycle engine. I'm keeping my 2014 Sienna, at lease until Toyota get it right. .FYI. Toyota does not want to build all battery electric cars. . Its really because Japan is producing a lot of hydrogen gas from excess hydro electricity. I believe Japan is the leader is hydrogen fueled vehicles. The US seem to want all battery electric. hmmm
Wow, why did you buy this car? I have one. It's wonderful. Mini Vans get a bad rap and they are awesome. This one is FUN to drive, gets great mileage, responds well, and can hold a TON of stuff.
This van is for me!
1) Who cares
2) I don't need speed
3) Wife, kid, and my mom. So third row will stay flat forever.
4) I don't go off-road
5) It's a Toyota! I trust it will last well over 200k miles, which is fine.
I don’t give a rats ass what people think of me driving a minivan. It’s my comfort that I care about
YYep.same here..its a land ship.for long hails
Your cargo space comment is nonsense. This vehicle has much more room thanthe pilot. At does an Odyssey have more room than Honda pilot. I have all three vehicles and trust me the minivans at Moore reall cargo space by far than any SUV. Aside from the Cadillac Escalade, or the GMC Yukon extra long version.
no off roading, really?!?!?1 it's an MPV!!! and regards reliabiity? - check the history of it and don't forget it is a TOYOTA
Only thing I wished the sienna could qualify with a GVW of 6000 lbs for for section 179 write off. The Honda Oddysey qualifies at 6019 lbs.
this is such a terrible law but I get why people look at that. Some US tax laws are absolutely insane coming from a CPA north of the border
Wait if you buy it under llc, it’s still write off no ?
I love Toyotas but the hybrid mini van version is too noisy. I may be switching over to Honda v6 for my next vehicle purchase.
You put a cushion down and put the baby on it. Improvise. # 5 the Honda has cylinder deactivation. Not good.
There's less room in the back of the sienna as compared to a 3-row crossover SUV? I'd be surprised. Compared to a Suburban XL - sure! but that won't fit in your garage. And changing a child in the back? If you do it often, I recommend getting a table back there. What I do is change in the front seat. Low floor as compared to an SUV. Yes. It also means easier for your young kids to get in and out of. Have you ever seen a kindergartener get out of a high SUV? and you know the parents NEVER take their off road. What do you think?
to summarize, just 2 reasons: 1. It's not an SUV. 2. It's an unproven hybrid.
I agree, why do people care about optics? Who are you trying to impress? In case you didn’t know, nobody gives a flying f*** what you drive. A vehicle is an appliance. We have a 15year old CRV, a 12 year old Accord, and a 23 year old Ford E150 van…..and no payments. Hmm, I wonder what the neighbors think……no I don’t 😂. (Plus, like I said, I’m sure they don’t give a f***)
From my perspective the fatal flaw is availability. Dealer I reached out to said it could be a year to get one.
I don’t agree with you or any of it.I own a 2022 Cypress Green LE Plus package with AWD 8 passenger Sienna,i got nothing to complain about zero,love this van, you said slow or underpowered? I don’t think so.. Put that sh!t on sport mode and with the AWD system you be smokin Odyssey and Pacifica easy,too bad you didn’t get the AWD version..exactly what I did when this Odyssey tried to drag race me on the stop light ,the initial launch with those electric motors are dope,As for the Clearance going off roading,it has enough.The AWD version actually has 1 1/2 inch more over the fwd version and it’s capable of going through rocky roads or off the beaten path,snow just watch UA-cam if you want proof..you mentioned The”UNKNOWN”reliability on the Hybrid systems? Toyota was the first car manufacturer to mass produced Hybrids in 1997 and their tried and proven and improved their reliability through the years it’s more like the “WELL KNOWN “ Toyota reliability.
Oh wow you got the exact thing I wanted... did you pay a markup? I wanted either the 25th edition or your version being the most value. But after searching Msrp high and low, I caved and I have put a deposit on one 25th edition at a big markup. 😪
@@natalydelcielo unfortunately i did,but it was still 3k more compared to the other dealerships i been through they were asking over 5k..
@TURBOGS 11 I'm at 7,700 markup. Other dealers were charging 11k on top. I can still back out of it but I am conflicted. I just feel disheartened I will not find a 25th for less. Thinking I'm stupid for paying the markup, and at the same time unwilling to give up on our dream family car. Do you think i'm crazy?
@@natalydelcielo You’re not crazy the only thing crazy are those markups,i kinda went to the same dilemma about a year ago before the markup prices got too crazy, cause we wanted the woodland edition but they only come in two colors for 2022,cement gray and midnight black my wife and I agreed that whatever it takes we gotta have have that Cypress Green it’s just Gorgeous even though we ended waiting for 6 months..and a big factor for pulling the trigger on this was the 8 passenger seating and having a capable AWD system,that the other models didn’t have at he time,we have big family I have 6 kids and the woodland edition only have 7 seating.I went to 6 different dealerships to finally got a lowest markup price.and we didn’t really care for the other bells and whistles the comes with it.I know that 25th edition is hard to come by but in the long run you will have a better value for the money being its special car if you ever sell it but at the end of the day you still have to do what’s best for everybody you’re family.Whatever decision you’ll make, good luck and hope you the best.
@TURBOGS 11 thank you so much for sharing your experience, I truly appreciate it. There are lots to think about, especially since we would have much preferred the silver version. Just like in your case, this one also comes in only 2 colors, white and gray. We ended up caving for a big markup on the white and it's gotten me going in circles. If I'm gonna pay this much markup on top of an already expensive car, it should at least be everything I wanted. And then again, I don't "need it" as I can make my Highlander work with as we are a family of 4 plus the elderly parent in laws now and then. Again, thanks!
My wife and I have been seriously considering the hybrid Sienna. Over the last 20 years we’ve owned a total of 4 minivans, but for the last 8 years, only SUV’s. We currently drive an MDX, which is sporty and “classy”, but we are disappointed in the rough ride and lack of room in the 3rd row (our young granddaughters call it “level three”) My elderly father recently bought a new Sienna because he had trouble getting in and out of his Camry. He doesn’t drive, he’s chauffeured by his caretaker. My wife and I were very surprised when we rode in the middle row of his Sienna. You missed reason #6. Compared to the SUV’s we’ve owned there is a very low roofline. This makes getting in surprisingly uncomfortable. My wife is 5 foot 5 inches tall, and she remarked “nope, never going to buy one of these, I have to duck way down to keep from bumping my head getting in.” I was surprised and disappointed, I thought I had talked her into eventually getting a Sienna, and was looking forward to the great gas mileage. She likes the Kia Carnival styling, so we’ll have to look at that next, but sadly, it’s not a gas saver like the Sienna.
Number 1 minivan just let you know your sienna minivan hibryd is excellent quality many people buys now for uber limo ...this hibryd s are know go over 500 000 miles ..
Not sure what you mean on the third dislike. I mean everyone has their own opinion and stuff, however the only SUVs I recall having more cargo space behind that third row is any Full Size SUV that has the longer-wheelbase, not the short regular wheelbase.
And we all know how hard it is to find a brand new vehicles such as those SUVs in stock and not at markup.
So I’d say the Sienna is plenty 😅😅
My friend has a 2019 suburban ultimate and with all rows up the sienna has a bit more room.
Had a 2022 Yukon xl - Sienna has way more space behind third row!
Do you like the kia carnival?
Yeah they look great in and out 👌
I’ve just never been a big Kia fan is all.
Just FYI: Toyota sienna has 33 cub.f of cargo space behind 3rd row, Honda pilot 15.5, Yukon Denali 25
The #1 reason we will not be buying this van is the 2nd row seats are not removable.
I understand you. But I honestly think a van or mini-van should stick on its tier as mini-van. Ofcourse SUVs have more power, excitement and sporty in it which is why it seemed biased to compare this car to SUVs.
Nice and helpful video. The "Mean Headlights" look of this Toyota model is an immediate turn-off, No Go. These headlights that look like evil cartoon eyes (see Jeeps) and sports cars are not helpful psychologically on the road. Try cruising on a dark two-lane at night and along behind you comes this, in a hurry, and can't pass. I pull over and let Mean Headlights pass every time in such a circumstance..
I thought I was the only one feel that way about the Devil looking Headlights!! 🥴🥴🥴
Anyone concerned with looking "uncool" to strangers wouldn't be watching a minivan review to begin with. As for low clearance and anemic acceleration, those sacrifices are already obvious to someone who wishes to buy a minivan. As for reliability, it is a Toyota, so the odds are quite low that it will be a lemon. I don't think this video offers much useful information.
Lack of availability, paying up the nose for a Sienna, and I don’t think the Honda has a V6 anymore.
35 mpg city is great for me
U knew it was a minivan ….why did u get one????
Top reasons should be:
1. Driver safety rating 3 ! Loose a leg when you crash not sure ? The Toyota safety system they use in sienna is pretty old.
2. Extreme dealer markups
3. Low resolution, pixelated cameras and screens
4. No wireless car play
5. Engine noise while accelerating and weak acceleration. Not safe when you want to escape a situation or can is loaded with people.
Are people really taking a Toyota Highlander off road? The vast majrity of people who have an SUV or pickup are driving it like our parents drove minivans and station wagons. I'm not saying noone uses an SUV or pickup as a work vehicle, but most people don't. It should also be noted that while larger SUVs with the third row down might have as much cubic space as a minivan with the third row up (which kills the comparison but whatever) , the space is not efficiently laid out. It isn't as functional as in a minivan.
I have no problem or Complaints about my 2022 Toyota sienna has enough power for a mini van don't need a race car engine for a Minivan we love ours
Tire life? My experience/knowledge is that these in AWD eat rubber like a bear eats honey. Tires every 25k. would appreciate hearing from the masses whether that is true.
I love my escalade plenty room so comfortable
And they are charging you these days 20k more than it’s original MSRP. So, don’t get deceived about price on their website
#6 the fog lights are bug catcher's!
Rear lights disappear in the dark.