I use used lids for the drys I've put in jars. I put flour, sugar, rice, etc in canning jars to keep them away from critters, like mice and flour moths. I leave the rings on so mice cannot try to remove lids from flour, rice and other foods mice prefer.
I’ve been reusing lids multiple times and have no issues with sealing. And to think of all the perfectly good lids I’ve tossed out after a single use over the last 51 years! I could cry.
@@efzapp7 : I’m not having any issues with lids not sealing. Old lids or newly purchased lids either which I’ve also used multiple times. Only had one fail and I reused it again and it sealed. Still using it so it must have been a bit of siphoning. I use one and a half inch headspace and siphoning and failure to seal is extremely rare.
I reuse lids that have been water bathed 3-4 times if they aren’t bent, creased, or part of the sealing compound isn’t missing. I reuse lids after pressure canning at least one more time. I’ve never had any issues. My dad and grandmother always did the same.
Lea Anne, I am just starting to reuse the lids for pressure canning. Everyones telling not to reuse the lid. Can you share your experience? How often are you reusing the same lid? Do you write on the lid how many times it got used? Do you end up losing some of the vacuum in those jars after a while? Thanks Lea Anne.
@@LouiseMGrenier No I don't mark them and ‼I only reuse lids when I have no new ones on hand‼. I save all lids that are in good shape since I also preserve dehydrated foods in jars. Look the rubber, test to see if it is flexible(fingernail test). Don't bend the lid when removing from jars. Bubbles or flaking of the white on the bottom of the lids is bad. Rust anywhere on the lid is bad. Lid failures in my kitchen are ALWAYS my fault for missing an issue with the jar or the lids. Another thing I do with both old and new lids is to soak them in hot water, this helps to soften the rubber/silicone a little before adding them to the jar. The water is warmed on the stove until I see little bubbles and steam, then removed from the heat and add lids. Can I say you'll never have a lid failure? No. It happens even with new ones. To test using used lids I suggest canning water when you have a open spot in your canner. I've been doing this for years. An empty jar takes up the same amount of space in your storage as a full jar of water. I've been canning water with used lids for about 10 years and haven't had a lid failure, 10 yr old water on my pantry shelf. Hubby thinks I'm nuts but if I need those jars for food they can be emptied.
They are perfectly fine to use from the new jars like that. Mine seal 100% everytime from the new cases of jars. If it wasn't they wouldn't sell them together.
I have always questioned that myself. Glad to see someone talking about it and I have only canned a few things. I have also noticed when I go to take some of them off a new jar I have had to pry them off which means their compromised.
I canned pickled stuff with 1X or 2X used lids during the great mason jar and lid shortage and never had an issue. I did warm the lids in hot water. I’m not suggesting anyone else should reuse lids. I’m just relating my experience.
I have wondered about that also. I should have questioned it more🥴 also when we were driving home with some in the back of the car they kept popping. I should have realized that’s not good🤦♀️
@@useful.knowledge it makes one think. The jars might have been setting in a hot warehouse somewhere. I just bought 2 dozen regular lids and 2 dozen wide mouth lids by Yes, I Can. I had a failure with them. I made 15 pints of salsa and one didn’t seal. The sealant wasn’t applied evenly In the groove.
Thank you for the information. You're saving lives. A family member sent us several jars of canned goods. When I examined the jars they had never sealed. We couldn't use the food. Be careful canning or you can actually die from mistakes. Plan careful start early gauge your time and on tomatoes use all caution they can be deadly. Overtime in your water bath process.
They used to either put them upside down on the jar or lids and rings together in a flat box on top of the jars. I still use mine after soaking in very hot water and they usually always seal.
I save the lids that come with jars and I use them on jars I don't seal. Like jars of overnight oats or a jar of citrus peels soaking in vinegar. Honestly, until this year, I'd only had 1 lid fail out of hundreds. This year, I've already had 3 new lids from boxes fail.
Wow! Baught some Mason jars 3 weeks ago and noticed when I opened the jars, the lids had edentations on them. I decided to buy all new lids and just use the rings. Common sense and God is good that 2 weeks later He shows me this video! Thanks!
Went to the store a couple of days ago and the new boxes of lids were over $8.00 ea. I'm glad I've been buying extra boxes of lids the past 3 years. Personally, I've not experienced a problem with the lids from my jars. I probably will now that you've brought it up.
Thank you so very much, I've had a few not seal recently and all my lids were brand new but when I pulled them from the box many were sealed to each other. This was probably the culprit and I will pay better attention plus get another thing of new lids plus inspect those that were sealed together. Truly appreciate this, have a wonderful weekend :-)
Thanks! That’s exactly why I posted this. I never lose a jar but I have people email me about why they lose jars. It sounds like they do everything correctly so I wonder about those lids.
Thank you for pointing out this anomaly with the lids. As with all preservation activities, this shows another great reason for inspecting each and every component, before and during your processes. As stated by others, there is no reason to discard these lids, they are still very useful for dry and/or vacuum seal operations.
So glad you posted this. I live in 6,000 altitude and all my lids from new boxes are completely sealed. In fact it is kind of scary to take off as some have popped and come off flying. I now do it away from my face or body. I am waiting for someone to get hurt (which I hope does not happen) and sue the companies that do this, just to save a few bucks. Companies use to take pride in their company. Now it is how much they can make it seems. So anyway have to buy new lids. That way same companies with the jars make more money for sure. But it is what it is, and my canning is to important to me.
I kept several dozen new jars in a hot attic, then moved them to a less hot garage before I used them. The lids were sticky like yours. I also throw the metal lids in hot water with my tattler lids when I'm canning. The seals rarely fail. I'd suggest you raise your concerns with the manufacturer, they might be able to address the issue and put your mind at ease. (please post the results if you do this.) This is an excellent topic to put out, as the more we understand the process the more effective we are at canning. Thanks for bringing it up!
So happy I found this video. I’m new to canning and have had good success but this may be why I get a failure or two. I will try with new lids. I’m new but very careful to the point of reviewing the process before I start to make sure I’m doing it right.
Great video. 👍🏻 I like to use forjars lids myself. They always seal. I had a whole flat of kerr jars and the lids were all duds. Now I just use those compromised lids for storing dry goods.
I take mine off, but them in a baggy and normally a couple of days later, the rubber has come back. I still dump my lids in hot water before sealing. Yesterday, had 1 lid that did not want to sit on the jar, it was not used. I have seen some bent lids from the flat of jars and have also gotten a couple of jars that after 2 tries of not sealing, the jars were not flat. Water test with finger confirmed my suspicion.
No not lead or any contamination. The rubber compound on the lid has already been indented like it was sealed. It seems that many times they place the lids on too tight at the factory
I have seen that and also have stored brand new jars and lids in a shed outside in the heat. I have always used the lids and thought they might fail for the reasons you state. I have never had a jar fail to seal. You are being careful and that's a good idea! But for me, it's been ok so far!
The more recent lids are inferior to the older lids. I bought ball dome lids from the 1989s I happened upon. They are heavier and there was a more generous amount of sealant. The lids and screw bands were sealed separately in former dacades and not put on the jars. and this indentation thing could not happen! Inspect new jars and lids very carefully. Ball quality has declined and to a point some gave up canning because of it. Sad situation!
TY so much for this info! Have dabbled in 'canning' past few yrs, & see this as an important bit of advice. Wish l lived closer to my family, because nearly all of them garden & can their own goods. Husband's family seem to think everything comes from a store...lol. l use compromised lids on jars of goods, which do not need a 'canned' seal, (i.e. dry foods, sewing supplies, extra veggie seeds, etc.) For lids w/pinch of rust &/or jars w/tiny chips, l store smaller items in garage, which tend to end up having no specific place, (i.e. extra nuts, bolts, screws, washers, nails, etc). Have made a couple of hanging mobiles to help keep garden goodies safe. Would love to hear ideas, for any other extra uses, for compromised lids. Thanks again for 'useful info'.
I've had that complaint about those lids that come on the jars. But, I can't bring myself to throw them away. I usually leave them off for a couple of weeks then put them in really hot water. Then, I use them on things like applesauce.... never would I use them on meat, or something expensive.
Here in Canada, boxes of jars used to come with the lids upside down with the rings on very loosely. And although I did examine the flats prior to use, I wasn’t finding the depression in the sealing compound that is very evident on the lid you showed. I must check to see if new boxes are still packed with the lids turned upside down.
Thanks for the comment. We are starting to think it could be how these flats are stored at the manufacture and how that are shipped. Also, wondering how they are stacked during shipping.
@@useful.knowledge : I looked at both Walmart and Canadian Tire last night and all the jars are now shipped with the sealing compound against the rims.
@@useful.knowledge : The last few years I’ve been purchasing jars at thrift stores. Old jars are thicker glass - not that new jars are no good, mind you - and it keeps them out of the landfill. Plus it’s a tiny bit cheaper - not a lot once you replace the rings and lids though.
I bought several boxes of jars last year and had so many lids that the edge’s were bent and a bunch of them the edges were folded under and pinched flat between the jar and the ring . I had wondered if they were not supposed to be used . I did use the ones that looked ok but kept the bent and folded ones thinking about calling the company. The store would not take them beck . They said they would need the case of jars with the lids .
Hi. There have been several posts of issues like you had last year. I miss the days when the lids were just thrown in the flat inside a small box. It’s honestly best just to buy a new box of lids or maybe even lids and rings. Thanks for sharing!! Much appreciated!
Also never tighten the ring after the jar has sealed it will break the seal. Many times people do that and they wonder why their stuff spoils the ring will be loose just leave it alone. After a day or two you can take the rings off and reuse them with other lids. I have canned for many years I’m 75 years old I can strawberry syrup the other day and they all sealed. I also save my pickle jars and reuse them. Sometimes the lid smells like pickles so I use the baking soda to Soak the lids and then rinse them. The pickles smell will be gone and you can use the lids and jars over and over
Thanks! I’ve canned so many jalapeños this year. They just keep on producing. For the open kettle method just make sure you get the hot jalapeños in the hot jar and the lids on quickly. They seal every time.
Thanks Jamie. I reuse those lids to vacuum pack dehydrated foods because I run through those fairly quickly. Also, once I open that vac-pac jar, I will toss that lid. God Bless and stay safe.
I bring a small pan of water up to a boil then remove from the stove. I drop my lids in and wait a minute or two. You'll see the seal puff back up. Then when I put it on a jar, feel that it's completely centered. You can kinda feel it sticks a little. Then put rings on finger tight. I had a lot of failures with these new sure tight ball lids until I did that. No failures since.
@@cathyann6835 I am super new to canning and wondered is it a problem to put a slightly damp lid on a jar before water bath canning… does that mess up the seal?
@@bh4396 no being damp doesn’t mess up the seal. The biggest causes of failure for me, (with these new cheaper lids) is a couple reasons. The first important thing is to look at your jar. I’ve had a jar that had an imperfection on the top where the seal goes. Maybe a tiny bump or nick, so run your finger around it to check for anything like that. Then wipe your jars well making sure there’s no food or oil on where it’ll seal. Then I look at the lid to make sure it has enough of the seal material. I’ve seen a couple that weren’t very good. I get a pan of hot water and drop the lid in letting the seal swell just a little and to let any indentation from packaging smooth out. When I put the lid on the jar I can kinda feel that it will stick a little. Put your ring on and sit a finger on top of the lid while twisting ring on. Once the jar starts to move while twisting down, I only go about a quarter turn or less to keep lid on. Don’t over tighten. Then put in canner. I still get a failure here or there but I plan my meals to eat whatever does fail. I never had this issue with older lids so don’t be hard on yourself. You’ll get the hang of it. Having good rubber in the lid is important. I’ve noticed some generic brands can be better, but not always.
I used the lids that came with the jars. I lost all 12 jars of veggies. They sealed but let loose a d u sealed within 2 days. I always put the lids in warm water but it did not work. So Yes, they are compromised.
I just bought another flat of jars which has the rings very loosely attached. None of them seemed like the flat top was stuck. The other flats had the rings tight and were very tightly shrink wrapped. I think the shrinkwrap along with hot warehouses causes the tighter rings to do what they.are supposed to do...seal!
Your video reminded me of the Walmart brand sold about 8 years ago. Though I wasn’t canning back then, I did buy jars air crafts and the lids and rings were packaged separately. They were not attached to the jars. That packaging is no longer used but, I’m thinking for your reasoning that is why they were separate at that time.
Jars used to come in a full box, not a shallow flat. There was room to pack lids/ rings in a flat box under the jars. Miss those cardboard boxes to store my jars
Thank you! I noticed the "seal" on the new unused jars too and the indentations on the lids. I have never had so many failures with Ball lids on new jars like I have lately. I thought I just hadn't noticed. Thanks!
Those jars and lids were obviously shipped where they got pretty darn hot to have sone that - if the indentation isn’t present I would still use them. But otherwise I would use foe dey dehydrated storage
The jars and lids used to come packaged so differently. If Ball/Kerr are cheating us, like I believe they are, I won't support them by buying boxes of their lids. I have been buying reusable lids. Next time, I will buy ForJar lids. The compound is so much thicker. You may want to check them out. There are discount codes on some of the other channels.
back in about 2014 there was the first (of many) lid shortage scares...at that time I found a Ball Lid seller on Ebay and I bought several gross' of lids...(thousands of them) at the time I thought it was stupid but "just in case"....I am still using those lids but am running low however I do get new lids from time to time from people, picking up on sales, buying flats of jars (like you show in your video)...I can tell you with 100% certainty and my 30 years of canning experience that the current lids are thinner and have less adhesive (both in width and depth and the rubber itself seems to have changed). I still rarely have failures with my 10 year old lids but I do have issues with the newer Ball lids. I even have some 40+ year old Kerr lids (with the gray rubber) and they are even thicker than my 10 year old bunch I bought. I did just get some new lids from Tattler 'disposable' lid, their answer to Ball lids shotages from a few years back. They too weighless and are thiner than the OLD lids but they are just as good as the currently made lids. We'll see. All that said, I do agree with your assesment that the lids which have been on the jar tops are used...they look like it and they act like it. Ball says they are ok to use, which is a head scratcher as it seems to say to me that used lids are ok to use?!? For now I keep them for dry storage but if I had to then I would use them and just keep an eye on the seals. Thanks for the vid. I agree.
Hi. Something was different. Since I open kettle can, I get to hear the ping of the lid when it seals. The lids bought in 2020, had a different sound when they sealed. Almost like a thud instead of a ping. The ones that I bought last fall that I’m using now, are actually pinging now. Agree with
Thankyou for showing that..I didn't realize that..I have found that if I don't make my water hot &sook my lids they may not seal..if you have lids with white rings..I use those only for water bath,not pressure canning..they buckle under pressure and may not seal... everyone be safe🙏🙏🇺🇲🇺🇲
I have a question. I have Harvest Guard reusable lids, can I can jelly/jam with them as you do it ? The flip and flip back ? Since they are a hard plastic with a rubber ring used to seal, will it work ? Tia
Hi. I have never used those. This may sound weird but you can easily try this. Boil some water and follow my normal canning process. Can the water and see if it seals correctly and stays sealed for a few days. Please let me know if they works
@@useful.knowledge I just saw this. I’m gonna do it. I tried four jars of jelly, 3 didn’t hold. I’m not sure what I did. But that water idea is great !!!
Funny I found this because I noticed it last week when canning. But, I have never had an issue with them not sealing. You made a great point. Have you reached out to the company?
I’m wondering if you can fix them with a heat resistant liquid rubber or silicone or something. It must be possible. I mean that’s the way they’re made right.
I couldn’t figure out this odd pinging noise that was happening all summer. It turns out it was the lids pinging from unopened cases on a shelf lol. I thought it was something electrical lmao.
From the comments, it’s a mixed bag. Some folks say yes but many experienced canners have said they’ve had real issues with these lids. That’s why I just don’t use them for canning.
I USE THEM!!! Because I live over 6000' in elevation all of mine seal because of the pressure FROM HIGHER ELEVATION when I buy a flat that comes with lids. I always use them and have never had them fail
I had a box of ball jars that had lids with the indentation in them. I didn’t notice until I had used them on 8 pints of pickled relish. None of them sealed so I had to empty the jars and re-can them.
Great point. I canned 6 and 2 didn't seal, thought it was me. Great information!! From now on I will write used on them and use them for dry things I putbin. Thank you.
Bud, iv canned tons & I'm gonna tell ya, I'd never thought of what your sayin here bout the lids that come with it. But now havin watched & listened to your words I absolutely see what your sayin. Dang it man. Well, I can't fix behind me but I can do better from here on. Thank you Sir
Hi. Thanks for the comments! I’ve had them “seal” and ping in the back seat of my truck while going home from the store. I guess the a/c hit them. The way I look at is if I’m putting all this work in to can stuff, I want the lids to be pristine. I hope you have great canning season!
New canner here. Canned chili yesterday and when I took the rings off, I noticed the lids are off center and partly hanging over jar. Is this normal? They sealed but I'm leary
@@useful.knowledge yes..11# of pressure for 90 minutes. But all the new lids are like this. They overlap the jar on one side no matter how I place them. They are even with the jar on one side and overlap the other side.
Very true! They are coming back into the stores. We’ve got them at the local grocery stores as well as the larger ones like Publix. Also for the past two years, I bought mine off EBay.
I used a small leftover pimento jar to put the little bit of fig juice I had leftover. I was just going to put it in the fridge. I heard a pop and it was that jar! It’s still sealed. I also used several from the pkg like you showed on this video and two of them didn’t seal. 🤷🏻♀️
I have used them for years with no problem, I do inspect them.. and I primary only preasure can.. but I have been canning over 50 years now.. and I have never had one not seal due to it being off new jar.. frankly I can't remember when I had one not seal in last few years.. and I have stuff.. in jars several years old.. so even shelf life has been fine.. I do for sure see what your talking about.. but in practical use the work fine for preasure canning.
I have never had a problem with Ball or Kerr lids bought with jars. But I still heat up my lids like they use to do all the time. Seems like a waste to buy them this way if you're not gonna use lids you just paid for. Might as well buy used jars and new boxed lids. I already use used lids for vacuum sealing and don't need a bunch of more perfectly good lids to use for that purpose. Especially with the high cost of a flat of jars and lids and rings these days.
I have a question. First off, I Love your videos! I've learned so much as a new canner, thank you! My question is: "Can you tell me if the open kettle method is safe for canning jelly using a ball jelly & jam maker instead of stove top boiling"?
In Australia we cant get jars or lids been like that since 2020. I have a stash of RM but now buy most canning goods from the USA. I now have tattlers and ball wide lids. I always use the ones that come with a new case of jars and i havent had any issues with jars not sealing and i canned up several hundred jars last summer... Wide lids are $18 a doz here plus post of $13 (if anyone has them )so just not viable to not to use the ones supplied on new jars. Even buying from USA is getting pricey atm due to our dollar only buys 68 c of yours. i do get where you are coming from tho...👍🏻🇦🇺
I bought the other brand (gh) lids and there is a lot of them with splatters of sealant. Also I noticed on some of them a tiny dot of silver, which makes me uncertain about using them.
I needed saw a kid with an indentation like that mine always look like the ones you pulled out one the side but I agree I wouldn’t use something with an indentation already
I use tattler gaskets on all of my metal lids now. You can order just the gaskets I got 100 small mouth for 25 dollars and 100 wide mouth for 28 dollars. Just place the gasket over the one on the metal canning lid. They are reusable. I got mine from harvest Guard. RoseRed Homstead has a video on how to do this
I had a problem with the lids failing on 3 cases of new Ball jars last year. I contacted the company and submitted a claim. They sent me coupons for 3 boxes of lids as compensation. I have had 3 of 10 lids fail this year which is a lot in my canning experience. I have been canning 40 years and have never had this experience.
Thanks for sharing but I have canned over 70 quarts this year. I have used the lids that come in the jars and I never have a problem with them sealing. I did wash them with soap and water. I do think I had 1 quart that did not seal. I bought other lids too. other than that everyone sealed
Thanks. Different folks are having different results. Even the experienced canners are having issues. However some report like you with little to no issues. I’m wondering if it’s how they are stored.
@@useful.knowledge I have noticed the compromised looking lids, too. I've have more fails than I'd like to admit. Do you think those flats of jars got too hot sitting on those container ships waiting to be unloaded? I think the seals were melted and formed the jar imprint. IMO.
It very well could be how they were stored. I’ve had some folks comment with no issues and some experienced canners have big issues. Hot warehouses and tight lids could be it.
I use used lids for the drys I've put in jars. I put flour, sugar, rice, etc in canning jars to keep them away from critters, like mice and flour moths. I leave the rings on so mice cannot try to remove lids from flour, rice and other foods mice prefer.
Good stuff!! Thanks for sharing!
I’ve been reusing lids multiple times and have no issues with sealing. And to think of all the perfectly good lids I’ve tossed out after a single use over the last 51 years! I could cry.
Arnie, I reuse my lids. Just did a batch of Great Northern beans 2 lids had been used 2 times previously and 1 was on its second time. All sealed.
@@efzapp7 : I’m not having any issues with lids not sealing. Old lids or newly purchased lids either which I’ve also used multiple times. Only had one fail and I reused it again and it sealed. Still using it so it must have been a bit of siphoning. I use one and a half inch headspace and siphoning and failure to seal is extremely rare.
I reuse lids that have been water bathed 3-4 times if they aren’t bent, creased, or part of the sealing compound isn’t missing. I reuse lids after pressure canning at least one more time. I’ve never had any issues. My dad and grandmother always did the same.
Thanks for sharing!
Never had a failure. Just canned 24 jars today using new jars and lids. I also warm my lids and re-use lids. Send my your lids!
😂🤣. They get used but I may if I get too many!
Lea Anne, I am just starting to reuse the lids for pressure canning. Everyones telling not to reuse the lid. Can you share your experience? How often are you reusing the same lid? Do you write on the lid how many times it got used? Do you end up losing some of the vacuum in those jars after a while? Thanks Lea Anne.
@@LouiseMGrenier No I don't mark them and ‼I only reuse lids when I have no new ones on hand‼. I save all lids that are in good shape since I also preserve dehydrated foods in jars. Look the rubber, test to see if it is flexible(fingernail test). Don't bend the lid when removing from jars. Bubbles or flaking of the white on the bottom of the lids is bad. Rust anywhere on the lid is bad. Lid failures in my kitchen are ALWAYS my fault for missing an issue with the jar or the lids. Another thing I do with both old and new lids is to soak them in hot water, this helps to soften the rubber/silicone a little before adding them to the jar. The water is warmed on the stove until I see little bubbles and steam, then removed from the heat and add lids. Can I say you'll never have a lid failure? No. It happens even with new ones. To test using used lids I suggest canning water when you have a open spot in your canner. I've been doing this for years. An empty jar takes up the same amount of space in your storage as a full jar of water. I've been canning water with used lids for about 10 years and haven't had a lid failure, 10 yr old water on my pantry shelf. Hubby thinks I'm nuts but if I need those jars for food they can be emptied.
@@leaannebrummett9159 Lots of great information that I will apply with my cannings. Thank you Lea Anne.
@@alf287 I use a church key(aka bottle opener) and a butter knife. They also sell mason jar lid lifters on amazon. Yes I can meat.
That's why I heat the lids so they "fluff" back up.
This.
I still simmer my lids and rarely lose a jar, but it's clear to see the difference in the lids. Thank you! God bless. ~~Laura
Thanks and God Bless!
They are perfectly fine to use from the new jars like that. Mine seal 100% everytime from the new cases of jars. If it wasn't they wouldn't sell them together.
Agree!!
I have always questioned that myself. Glad to see someone talking about it and I have only canned a few things. I have also noticed when I go to take some of them off a new jar I have had to pry them off which means their compromised.
Hi. That’s exactly my experience over the last few flats that I’ve purchased. Thanks for sharing!!
I canned pickled stuff with 1X or 2X used lids during the great mason jar and lid shortage and never had an issue. I did warm the lids in hot water.
I’m not suggesting anyone else should reuse lids. I’m just relating my experience.
I have wondered about that also. I should have questioned it more🥴 also when we were driving home with some in the back of the car they kept popping. I should have realized that’s not good🤦♀️
@@useful.knowledge it makes one think. The jars might have been setting in a hot warehouse somewhere. I just bought 2 dozen regular lids and 2 dozen wide mouth lids by Yes, I Can. I had a failure with them. I made 15 pints of salsa and one didn’t seal. The sealant wasn’t applied evenly In the groove.
@@nancyst.john-smith3891 Wow! It’s amazing how many folks are having issues like you are.
Thank you for the information. You're saving lives. A family member sent us several jars of canned goods. When I examined the jars they had never sealed. We couldn't use the food.
Be careful canning or you can actually die from mistakes. Plan careful start early gauge your time and on tomatoes use all caution they can be deadly. Overtime in your water bath process.
They used to either put them upside down on the jar or lids and rings together in a flat box on top of the jars. I still use mine after soaking in very hot water and they usually always seal.
Thanks for sharing!
"usually always" is an oxymoron. You mean *almost always.
I save the lids that come with jars and I use them on jars I don't seal. Like jars of overnight oats or a jar of citrus peels soaking in vinegar.
Honestly, until this year, I'd only had 1 lid fail out of hundreds. This year, I've already had 3 new lids from boxes fail.
Wow! Thanks for sharing and great idea on the overnight oats.
I have had the odd new, unused lid fail as well.
Wow! Baught some Mason jars 3 weeks ago and noticed when I opened the jars, the lids had edentations on them. I decided to buy all new lids and just use the rings. Common sense and God is good that 2 weeks later He shows me this video! Thanks!
Thanks and God Bless you!!
Went to the store a couple of days ago and the new boxes of lids were over $8.00 ea. I'm glad I've been buying extra boxes of lids the past 3 years. Personally, I've not experienced a problem with the lids from my jars. I probably will now that you've brought it up.
😂😂. It does tend to happen like that.
Thank you so very much, I've had a few not seal recently and all my lids were brand new but when I pulled them from the box many were sealed to each other. This was probably the culprit and I will pay better attention plus get another thing of new lids plus inspect those that were sealed together. Truly appreciate this, have a wonderful weekend :-)
Thanks! That’s exactly why I posted this. I never lose a jar but I have people email me about why they lose jars. It sounds like they do everything correctly so I wonder about those lids.
Thank you for pointing out this anomaly with the lids. As with all preservation activities, this shows another great reason for inspecting each and every component, before and during your processes.
As stated by others, there is no reason to discard these lids, they are still very useful for dry and/or vacuum seal operations.
Thanks!!
All mine have sealed but from now on I will check!
Thank you for showing us this lid issues. It explains why my jars don't stay sealed for more than 8 to 9 months. It's been driving me crazy.
Lots of folks saying they are having issues!
So glad you posted this. I live in 6,000 altitude and all my lids from new boxes are completely sealed. In fact it is kind of scary to take off as some have popped and come off flying. I now do it away from my face or body. I am waiting for someone to get hurt (which I hope does not happen) and sue the companies that do this, just to save a few bucks. Companies use to take pride in their company. Now it is how much they can make it seems. So anyway have to buy new lids. That way same companies with the jars make more money for sure. But it is what it is, and my canning is to important to me.
Thank you! Good advice! Not worth risking all your hard work over a little convenience. The seal is everything!
Thanks!!
Wow good info. Never thought of that, but yes they do make that unsealing sound when removing new lids. Thanks for the great info.
Thanks!!
I kept several dozen new jars in a hot attic, then moved them to a less hot garage before I used them. The lids were sticky like yours. I also throw the metal lids in hot water with my tattler lids when I'm canning. The seals rarely fail. I'd suggest you raise your concerns with the manufacturer, they might be able to address the issue and put your mind at ease. (please post the results if you do this.)
This is an excellent topic to put out, as the more we understand the process the more effective we are at canning. Thanks for bringing it up!
Thanks for the good comments!!
I have never had a problem and the ones I bought dont do that but I will keep a weather eye out for this. That's for the update.
Thanks!!
So happy I found this video. I’m new to canning and have had good success but this may be why I get a failure or two. I will try with new lids. I’m new but very careful to the point of reviewing the process before I start to make sure I’m doing it right.
Thanks and that’s why I just used new lids. I didn’t want to risk losing all that hard work.
Great video. 👍🏻 I like to use forjars lids myself. They always seal. I had a whole flat of kerr jars and the lids were all duds. Now I just use those compromised lids for storing dry goods.
Thanks! I’ve had weird looking Ball lids (the rubber compound) many times this year. Looks “gooped” on instead of perfect like in the past.
The Kerr lids didn’t seal for me.
I take mine off, but them in a baggy and normally a couple of days later, the rubber has come back. I still dump my lids in hot water before sealing. Yesterday, had 1 lid that did not want to sit on the jar, it was not used.
I have seen some bent lids from the flat of jars and have also gotten a couple of jars that after 2 tries of not sealing, the jars were not flat. Water test with finger confirmed my suspicion.
Wow! Thanks!
Older folks always reused and boiled lids as long as they weren't damaged. Never had an issue.
I've noticed that bringing home cases of jars in the heat of summer seals lids on my way home! I hear them popping!
Exactly what happened to me. And those lids have the compound compromised in my opinion.
PLEASE RESPOND
I dont understand
Wdym by compromised? Does it have contaminants, or lead, or??
No not lead or any contamination. The rubber compound on the lid has already been indented like it was sealed. It seems that many times they place the lids on too tight at the factory
@@useful.knowledge you responded fast! Thanks!!!
I have seen that and also have stored brand new jars and lids in a shed outside in the heat. I have always used the lids and thought they might fail for the reasons you state. I have never had a jar fail to seal. You are being careful and that's a good idea! But for me, it's been ok so far!
Thanks for sharing!
Totally agree. Never had a failure with these! Well....unless it was user malfunction! 🙄😉
Thanks for the heads up on that! I never would of thought about it..🤔
The more recent lids are inferior to the older lids. I bought ball dome lids from the 1989s I happened upon. They are heavier and there was a more generous amount of sealant.
The lids and screw bands were sealed separately in former dacades and not put on the jars. and this indentation thing could not happen!
Inspect new jars and lids very carefully. Ball quality has declined and to a point some gave up canning because of it.
Sad situation!
Thanks for sharing! I agree they seem thinner than the old lids. I’ve noticed that they sound a little different when the ping and seal.
TY so much for this info! Have dabbled in 'canning' past few yrs, & see this as an important bit of advice. Wish l lived closer to my family, because nearly all of them garden & can their own goods. Husband's family seem to think everything comes from a store...lol.
l use compromised lids on jars of goods, which do not need a 'canned' seal, (i.e. dry foods, sewing supplies, extra veggie seeds, etc.) For lids w/pinch of rust &/or jars w/tiny chips, l store smaller items in garage, which tend to end up having no specific place, (i.e. extra nuts, bolts, screws, washers, nails, etc). Have made a couple of hanging mobiles to help keep garden goodies safe.
Would love to hear ideas, for any other extra uses, for compromised lids.
Thanks again for 'useful info'.
Great ideas!!! Wow!! Thanks for sharing!
I've had that complaint about those lids that come on the jars. But, I can't bring myself to throw them away. I usually leave them off for a couple of weeks then put them in really hot water. Then, I use them on things like applesauce.... never would I use them on meat, or something expensive.
Thanks for sharing!!
Here in Canada, boxes of jars used to come with the lids upside down with the rings on very loosely. And although I did examine the flats prior to use, I wasn’t finding the depression in the sealing compound that is very evident on the lid you showed. I must check to see if new boxes are still packed with the lids turned upside down.
Thanks for the comment. We are starting to think it could be how these flats are stored at the manufacture and how that are shipped. Also, wondering how they are stacked during shipping.
@@useful.knowledge : I looked at both Walmart and Canadian Tire last night and all the jars are now shipped with the sealing compound against the rims.
Thanks!! Very interesting! That’s how they’re shipped down here and have for at least 10 years.
@@useful.knowledge : The last few years I’ve been purchasing jars at thrift stores. Old jars are thicker glass - not that new jars are no good, mind you - and it keeps them out of the landfill. Plus it’s a tiny bit cheaper - not a lot once you replace the rings and lids though.
True and good info! I was gifted about 60 quart size jars in the spring. Some are really old. They are also really thick.
I bought several boxes of jars last year and had so many lids that the edge’s were bent and a bunch of them the edges were folded under and pinched flat between the jar and the ring . I had wondered if they were not supposed to be used . I did use the ones that looked ok but kept the bent and folded ones thinking about calling the company. The store would not take them beck . They said they would need the case of jars with the lids .
Hi. There have been several posts of issues like you had last year. I miss the days when the lids were just thrown in the flat inside a small box. It’s honestly best just to buy a new box of lids or maybe even lids and rings. Thanks for sharing!! Much appreciated!
@@useful.knowledge yes I think I will not use any lids that come on the jars !
Thanks ! Have you ever used the lids that I believe the name is Purr ?
Also never tighten the ring after the jar has sealed it will break the seal. Many times people do that and they wonder why their stuff spoils the ring will be loose just leave it alone. After a day or two you can take the rings off and reuse them with other lids. I have canned for many years I’m 75 years old I can strawberry syrup the other day and they all sealed. I also save my pickle jars and reuse them. Sometimes the lid smells like pickles so I use the baking soda to Soak the lids and then rinse them. The pickles smell will be gone and you can use the lids and jars over and over
Thanks for sharing!!
Great point. I'm about to can some jalapeños using your method. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Thanks! I’ve canned so many jalapeños this year. They just keep on producing. For the open kettle method just make sure you get the hot jalapeños in the hot jar and the lids on quickly. They seal every time.
@@useful.knowledge ok. Thank you! I'll let you know how they turn out.
Thanks Jamie. I reuse those lids to vacuum pack dehydrated foods because I run through those fairly quickly. Also, once I open that vac-pac jar, I will toss that lid. God Bless and stay safe.
Great idea! Thanks and God Bless!
Since I am I new canner, I could not figure why I had so many lid fails. Now I know!
I bring a small pan of water up to a boil then remove from the stove. I drop my lids in and wait a minute or two. You'll see the seal puff back up. Then when I put it on a jar, feel that it's completely centered. You can kinda feel it sticks a little. Then put rings on finger tight. I had a lot of failures with these new sure tight ball lids until I did that. No failures since.
@@cathyann6835 thanks I will try that
@@cathyann6835 I am super new to canning and wondered is it a problem to put a slightly damp lid on a jar before water bath canning… does that mess up the seal?
@@bh4396 no being damp doesn’t mess up the seal. The biggest causes of failure for me, (with these new cheaper lids) is a couple reasons. The first important thing is to look at your jar. I’ve had a jar that had an imperfection on the top where the seal goes. Maybe a tiny bump or nick, so run your finger around it to check for anything like that. Then wipe your jars well making sure there’s no food or oil on where it’ll seal. Then I look at the lid to make sure it has enough of the seal material. I’ve seen a couple that weren’t very good. I get a pan of hot water and drop the lid in letting the seal swell just a little and to let any indentation from packaging smooth out. When I put the lid on the jar I can kinda feel that it will stick a little. Put your ring on and sit a finger on top of the lid while twisting ring on. Once the jar starts to move while twisting down, I only go about a quarter turn or less to keep lid on. Don’t over tighten. Then put in canner. I still get a failure here or there but I plan my meals to eat whatever does fail. I never had this issue with older lids so don’t be hard on yourself. You’ll get the hang of it. Having good rubber in the lid is important. I’ve noticed some generic brands can be better, but not always.
I used the lids that came with the jars. I lost all 12 jars of veggies. They sealed but let loose a d u sealed within 2 days. I always put the lids in warm water but it did not work. So Yes, they are compromised.
Wow!!! Thanks for sharing!
I was wondering about that. I had the same. I use them for dry goods. But not wet canning.
I just bought another flat of jars which has the rings very loosely attached. None of them seemed like the flat top was stuck. The other flats had the rings tight and were very tightly shrink wrapped. I think the shrinkwrap along with hot warehouses causes the tighter rings to do what they.are supposed to do...seal!
Hi. It’s really does seem that your theory is very possible. Hot warehouses, stacked boxes, rings too tight. Thanks!
I think you are right I've had several fails. I think I'll use them for vac seal but get new lids fir canning ...THANK YOU
Thanks!
Thank you so much for sharing. I’m new to canning and I watch your content all the time. I would’ve never paid any attention to that.
Thanks!!
Thank you
Never would’ve thought about this
Agree. Plus we don’t know how old they are, or what their storage conditions were.
That makes total sense!
So after canning you do not re-use the lids? You buy new ones with old jars? Thanks
Hi. That’s correct. Jars can be reused many times over. I use new lids each time.
If you’re buying new lids you might as well invest in reusable lids like harvest guard. It will save you money really quick.
Perfectly normal and fine. Been using these for years with zero issues.
Thanks for sharing!
Your video reminded me of the Walmart brand sold about 8 years ago. Though I wasn’t canning back then, I did buy jars air crafts and the lids and rings were packaged separately. They were not attached to the jars. That packaging is no longer used but, I’m thinking for your reasoning that is why they were separate at that time.
Ver well could have been the reason. They need to go packaging them separately. Thanks!
They use to pack the lids in a flat box that were under the jars wonder why they stopped that, thanks and a great job for letting us know
Hi. It’s probably a marketing ploy because they better on the shelf with the lids on.
Jars used to come in a full box, not a shallow flat. There was room to pack lids/ rings in a flat box under the jars. Miss those cardboard boxes to store my jars
Thank you! I noticed the "seal" on the new unused jars too and the indentations on the lids. I have never had so many failures with Ball lids on new jars like I have lately. I thought I just hadn't noticed. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing!
I am new to canning, this is a wonderful tip and I’m going to write it on the covers of my Ball books, bag and save for the dry goods thank you😉
Thanks!!
Those jars and lids were obviously shipped where they got pretty darn hot to have sone that - if the indentation isn’t present I would still use them. But otherwise I would use foe dey dehydrated storage
It’s definitely hot in Alabama. Also, we never know how they are stored.
The jars and lids used to come packaged so differently. If Ball/Kerr are cheating us, like I believe they are, I won't support them by buying boxes of their lids. I have been buying reusable lids. Next time, I will buy ForJar lids. The compound is so much thicker. You may want to check them out. There are discount codes on some of the other channels.
Thanks for sharing!! I’ll check it out.
In south Alabama at Wal Mart ball jar lids are nearly $7.00 a box of 12.
Yeah they are not cheap but for about $.60 each is why I will by new ones instead of possibly losing a jar. How is LA? I miss my old stomping grounds.
Thank you for sharing 🙂❤.
back in about 2014 there was the first (of many) lid shortage scares...at that time I found a Ball Lid seller on Ebay and I bought several gross' of lids...(thousands of them) at the time I thought it was stupid but "just in case"....I am still using those lids but am running low however I do get new lids from time to time from people, picking up on sales, buying flats of jars (like you show in your video)...I can tell you with 100% certainty and my 30 years of canning experience that the current lids are thinner and have less adhesive (both in width and depth and the rubber itself seems to have changed). I still rarely have failures with my 10 year old lids but I do have issues with the newer Ball lids. I even have some 40+ year old Kerr lids (with the gray rubber) and they are even thicker than my 10 year old bunch I bought. I did just get some new lids from Tattler 'disposable' lid, their answer to Ball lids shotages from a few years back. They too weighless and are thiner than the OLD lids but they are just as good as the currently made lids. We'll see. All that said, I do agree with your assesment that the lids which have been on the jar tops are used...they look like it and they act like it. Ball says they are ok to use, which is a head scratcher as it seems to say to me that used lids are ok to use?!? For now I keep them for dry storage but if I had to then I would use them and just keep an eye on the seals. Thanks for the vid. I agree.
Hi. Something was different. Since I open kettle can, I get to hear the ping of the lid when it seals. The lids bought in 2020, had a different sound when they sealed. Almost like a thud instead of a ping. The ones that I bought last fall that I’m using now, are actually pinging now. Agree with
The only lids I have a problem with is Pur. High failure of not sealing. It was all I could find with the shortage last summer but never again.
I have bad reviews for Pur.
I wondered about the same thing. Thanks!
Whoa!! I have been using those lids. Thank you!
Wow! I never thought about that, thanks for the useful knowledge
Thankyou for showing that..I didn't realize that..I have found that if I don't make my water hot &sook my lids they may not seal..if you have lids with white rings..I use those only for water bath,not pressure canning..they buckle under pressure and may not seal... everyone be safe🙏🙏🇺🇲🇺🇲
Thanks!!
I have a question.
I have Harvest Guard reusable lids, can I can jelly/jam with them as you do it ? The flip and flip back ?
Since they are a hard plastic with a rubber ring used to seal, will it work ?
Tia
Hi. I have never used those. This may sound weird but you can easily try this. Boil some water and follow my normal canning process. Can the water and see if it seals correctly and stays sealed for a few days. Please let me know if they works
@@useful.knowledge I just saw this. I’m gonna do it.
I tried four jars of jelly, 3 didn’t hold. I’m not sure what I did.
But that water idea is great !!!
Funny I found this because I noticed it last week when canning. But, I have never had an issue with them not sealing. You made a great point. Have you reached out to the company?
Hi. Thanks! I haven’t reached out but some folks in the comments have. They basically were just given a new box of lids.
I’m wondering if you can fix them with a heat resistant liquid rubber or silicone or something. It must be possible. I mean that’s the way they’re made right.
I couldn’t figure out this odd pinging noise that was happening all summer. It turns out it was the lids pinging from unopened cases on a shelf lol. I thought it was something electrical lmao.
They will do it and make you wonder what’s going on!
This was very useful! Thank you for sharing.
Thanks!
When we heat the bands will the indentation go away?
From the comments, it’s a mixed bag. Some folks say yes but many experienced canners have said they’ve had real issues with these lids. That’s why I just don’t use them for canning.
Thanks for sharing this. I will no longer use them either. I'll just use them for dry goods and be careful even then.
That’s what I do. I put too much work into the goods I’m canning to risk it.
I USE THEM!!!
Because I live over 6000' in elevation all of mine seal because of the pressure FROM HIGHER ELEVATION when I buy a flat that comes with lids. I always use them and have never had them fail
Thanks!
I had a box of ball jars that had lids with the indentation in them. I didn’t notice until I had used them on 8 pints of pickled relish. None of them sealed so I had to empty the jars and re-can them.
Wow!! Thanks for sharing. We are see several comments like yours.
Great point. I canned 6 and 2 didn't seal, thought it was me. Great information!! From now on I will write used on them and use them for dry things I putbin. Thank you.
Thanks!
Bud, iv canned tons & I'm gonna tell ya, I'd never thought of what your sayin here bout the lids that come with it. But now havin watched & listened to your words I absolutely see what your sayin. Dang it man. Well, I can't fix behind me but I can do better from here on. Thank you Sir
Hi. Thanks for the comments! I’ve had them “seal” and ping in the back seat of my truck while going home from the store. I guess the a/c hit them. The way I look at is if I’m putting all this work in to can stuff, I want the lids to be pristine. I hope you have great canning season!
I found a jar that was misformed and could never be sealed. Now I check all my jars and lids when I get home with them.
Wow! Thanks for sharing!!
Save & use them with the ' food saver' for dry products if you have one
Thanks for the information. Makes sense. Now where is the recipe for the peach jelly?
🤣Here is mine for Peach Jam. Peach Jam without Pectin | Useful Knowledge
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Do you have a recipe for pumpkin jam or do I use equal amounts of fruit to sugar and then add spices?
Can it still be used for vacuum sealing?
Yes, apparently lots of folks in the comments are doing this.
New canner here. Canned chili yesterday and when I took the rings off, I noticed the lids are off center and partly hanging over jar. Is this normal? They sealed but I'm leary
Hi. Did you pressure can the chili?
@@useful.knowledge yes..11# of pressure for 90 minutes. But all the new lids are like this. They overlap the jar on one side no matter how I place them. They are even with the jar on one side and overlap the other side.
@@LisaReese-p4t interesting! Are they Ball or Kerr lids?
They are ball jars and lids. Brand New case
Holy smokes, I am a newbie canner… I never thought about that…. Likely because they STACK those and the weight is pressing in…
Very good thoughts on this!! Thanks for sharing!
Lots of work to can so thank you very good info
True and thanks
I used do the same but I have learned they work just the same if we heat them up with water before using them. I have no problem with them.
I see what your saying on the kids but they are so hard to find right now.
Very true! They are coming back into the stores. We’ve got them at the local grocery stores as well as the larger ones like Publix. Also for the past two years, I bought mine off EBay.
Thank you! 👍👍👍😀
I got a new box of qt jars,, one flat had no seal on it at all. Have never seen this before.
Wow!!
I used a small leftover pimento jar to put the little bit of fig juice I had leftover. I was just going to put it in the fridge. I heard a pop and it was that jar! It’s still sealed. I also used several from the pkg like you showed on this video and two of them didn’t seal. 🤷🏻♀️
Wow!! Lots of folks have had bad experiences with those lids
Very interesting for sure.. that would defiantly make sense if canning the way you have done with tomatoes.
Yep, that’s pretty significant
I have used them for years with no problem, I do inspect them.. and I primary only preasure can.. but I have been canning over 50 years now.. and I have never had one not seal due to it being off new jar.. frankly I can't remember when I had one not seal in last few years.. and I have stuff.. in jars several years old.. so even shelf life has been fine.. I do for sure see what your talking about.. but in practical use the work fine for preasure canning.
Thanks very much for sharing. We are getting comments with no issues to some experienced folks losing many jars. Thanks again!
Never new that. Thanks for the info. But I’ve never had trouble with the kids that came with the jars.
Thanks. We are getting comments like yours and other experienced folks that are losing jars.
WOW thanks for sharing 👍
I have never had a problem with Ball or Kerr lids bought with jars. But I still heat up my lids like they use to do all the time. Seems like a waste to buy them this way if you're not gonna use lids you just paid for. Might as well buy used jars and new boxed lids. I already use used lids for vacuum sealing and don't need a bunch of more perfectly good lids to use for that purpose. Especially with the high cost of a flat of jars and lids and rings these days.
Thanks!
I have a question.
First off, I Love your videos! I've learned so much as a new canner, thank you!
My question is: "Can you tell me if the open kettle method is safe for canning jelly using a ball jelly & jam maker instead of stove top boiling"?
In Australia we cant get jars or lids been like that since 2020. I have a stash of RM but now buy most canning goods from the USA. I now have tattlers and ball wide lids.
I always use the ones that come with a new case of jars and i havent had any issues with jars not sealing and i canned up several hundred jars last summer... Wide lids are $18 a doz here plus post of $13 (if anyone has them )so just not viable to not to use the ones supplied on new jars. Even buying from USA is getting pricey atm due to our dollar only buys 68 c of yours. i do get where you are coming from tho...👍🏻🇦🇺
Thanks for sharing that info!
I bought the other brand (gh) lids and there is a lot of them with splatters of sealant. Also I noticed on some of them a tiny dot of silver, which makes me uncertain about using them.
Thanks! I have noticed on some of the Ball lids a splash of the compound in the middle of the lid.
I needed saw a kid with an indentation like that mine always look like the ones you pulled out one the side but I agree I wouldn’t use something with an indentation already
I use tattler gaskets on all of my metal lids now. You can order just the gaskets I got 100 small mouth for 25 dollars and 100 wide mouth for 28 dollars. Just place the gasket over the one on the metal canning lid. They are reusable. I got mine from harvest Guard. RoseRed Homstead has a video on how to do this
I had a problem with the lids failing on 3 cases of new Ball jars last year. I contacted the company and submitted a claim. They sent me coupons for 3 boxes of lids as compensation. I have had 3 of 10 lids fail this year which is a lot in my canning experience. I have been canning 40 years and have never had this experience.
Wow!! Thanks for sharing!!
Yikes, I hope you were able to recan and not lose the food in those jars. Glad they responded to you.
Thanks for sharing but I have canned over 70 quarts this year. I have used the lids that come in the jars and I never have a problem with them sealing. I did wash them with soap and water.
I do think I had 1 quart that did not seal. I bought other lids too. other than that everyone sealed
Thanks. Different folks are having different results. Even the experienced canners are having issues. However some report like you with little to no issues. I’m wondering if it’s how they are stored.
@@useful.knowledge
I have noticed the compromised looking lids, too. I've have more fails than I'd like to admit. Do you think those flats of jars got too hot sitting on those container ships waiting to be unloaded? I think the seals were melted and formed the jar imprint. IMO.
It very well could be how they were stored. I’ve had some folks comment with no issues and some experienced canners have big issues. Hot warehouses and tight lids could be it.