True. Good analog goggles cost around 400€ and more here in germany. So i wanted to buy the Eachine EV100 for around 150€ this week, because the Walksnail Goggles X are too expensive (500€). But i think i will buy the Walksnail Goggles L instead. 😊
@@mplouisat least here in Spain is so easy to get dji goggles v2 for less than 300, and v1s for 200, so this should get even cheaper to make sense. On the 150sh range. Also, goggles X are selling pretty cheap bc people is getting rid of them with so many issues. I know that comparing to second hand market it is not fair, but there's just so much offer that it is going to kill this product. I only see this for people that really want the walksnail system for whoops
I left FPV flying about 10 years ago and was using FrSky, Taranis remote and analog Fatshark goggles on 5 and 7 inch drones... Returning now to this great hobby, I found it quite confusing at first to understand the different new digital video systems but I think that Avatar/Walksnail is the way to go for me as I want to fly both 2’’ whoops around the house and 5“ freestyle/cruisers out in the wild. I was also considering the HD zero route but if I understood well the image quality at longer range is not as sharp which is also important for me. Thanks for your very comprehensive video and thorough analysis.
6:10 The microSD card slot is in exactly the same place in the other affordable Walksnail box goggles, the Fatshark Recon HD. In the Recon HD's its not covered up by the foam, though.
Great review, thank you. A range test tilted up and down might be good (although possibly wont reveal anything significant unless there's patch antennae in there). Also, an assessment of comfort whilst wearing the googles on your forehead would be great.
I have DJI v2 and a collection of Caddx and 03's (on AOS frames), but I really want to get some tiny whoops. I flew a mates analog and i hated the image quality. However that same friend upgraded to walksnail 1s, and it is fantastic. I have been humming and harring about buying some Goggles X or Avatars just to whoop with but couldnt bring myself to spend $450USD on googles just to fly a whoop. I am 1000% going to get a pair of these so I can run the walksnail 1s units on 65 and 75 drones. Literally watched this and UAV's reviews and am sold.
Best review so far 👍 I hope you can compare the latency & penetration for VRX standard antenna (with HDZero goggles) vs Goggles L. FYI (from product page): Goggles L Min. Latency = Average 32ms
The affordability is a huge selling point. Extra antenna plugs would have been nice though. I think a large part of the market wants 1 or 2 drones with good video at a cheaper, good value for money price point.
@@anthony_horton Not to mention you can drill the holes out on the top of the Recon HD to install external antennas. They use four patch antennas on the Recon HD, so remove two of them and replace with omnis and you have something possibly better for around $60-70 more. I wonder if you can open up the Avatar L goggles and send an SMA to ufl cable (assuming they used ufl patch antennas) out of the head tracker port then stick an omni to the side.
If one buys the WS Avatar system VRX to attach to ones analog goggles you are spending little over $200 bucks on it alone. Add the Kit be it 1S or V2 that price increases from that $219 to $320+ take these Goggle L at $199 and just add a pre built WS drone ( say a micro ) from around $150 to over $300 depends on what you are looking for That brings anyone wanting to get into HD near a closer price then what they have spent on analog equipment . My Skyzone goggles were the same price at the time I bought them for analog $199 plus tax and shipping a little over $200 bucks and not to mention multiple analog kwads I have bought and own May allow me to try HD a little faster ( cheaper ) if I choose to . interesting
Today, aside from the 04X pro, I dont know of any analog goggles that can do 1080p60hz. The 04O pro used to, but now they’re only 720p. Honestly I think for some people this will be a better experience than a VRX
go for x ... im still ok with my altittude v5, but i could spend more and have everything, goggles is a thing after contorler, but if you are on a budget and wants hd, thats kill all analog systems
dji integra -340$. There is no ipd ajustment in the googles L. Its a very important fact. Some people may go cross-eyed thanks to it. And focal length of any box googles is really short- its bad too.
Love the low price, but the headtracking is not helping that. Who thought "We must include headtracking!"? They could have lowered the cost more or used the "headtracking" money towards making it work with analog also.
Hi, fantastic review :) , also for the goggles x have you tried testing for its true rms? Because some countries will limit you to how much eirp you can transmit including the antenna. Say the walksnail v3 vtx only outputs 500mw at the 1200mw setting do the goggles transmit more or stays at the same 500mw?
Hello, nice video! I want to switch from my analogue FPV statement to the digital system. My budget is relatively low and is around 300 to 350 euros. I would buy these glasses because I want to mount them on my RC plane, but I don't know which camera I should buy with them so that I don't have to pay more than 350 euros. However, it should be a good quality camera. Can you help me with which camera system I should buy with these glasses?
@@ChrisRosser that's unfortunate, I was thinking say, like some sort of WS-only event that everyone use 540p mode for lowest bandwidth for like a 8-pilot race
@Chris Rosser thanks for such details regarding those goggles - great review - at least I know that those goggles are not for me if I have HDZero goggles - Walksnail VRX is max what I need to order - what about latency with VRX on HDZero goggles on 720p100fps - is it the same as on goggles X?
You basically dismiss DJI with very outdated pricing information despite even mentioning it in the title and recommending the Goggle X alot - which actually cost more than DJI Integra for months now. 349$ is not "maybe 600$" and O3 is 229$ without any discounts, with replacement cameras available for 17$. Also no mention of reliability, QA, bugs etc. Otherwise great review, but that DJI comparison is just bad to put it mildly. Goggles X + Walksnail Moonlight 4k are more expensive than a DJI Integra + O3, with DJI still winning (arguably) in quality and reliability. And that assumes that you even get the Walksnail stuff anywhere and it isn't DoA.
@@ChrisRosser $349 is what you pay today and in the future for DJI Integra which I think is more important than the release price? 600 including VTX is closer, but in the video you say "maybe 600 dollars for the goggles alone" (23:50). Sure DJI still isn't budget, but value is really relative. Matching features (100fps feed, quite good 4k recording) DJI might even be the cheapest option.
Is it really? Chris has plain wrong/outdated information in the video. Walksnail Goggles X + Moonlight 4k cost MORE than DJI Integra + O3 - if you can even find it anywhere. And then WS stuff just breaks way more, still has worse penetration, worse image quality etc. Sure if all you need is 60fps box goggles, don't need good recordings and are ok with a reliability gamble and/or really want good video on tinywhoops, WS might be good value.
Wow, that was kind of unexpected, but a lot of new pilots have been looking for more price friendly options so it's definitely got a niche.
True. Good analog goggles cost around 400€ and more here in germany. So i wanted to buy the Eachine EV100 for around 150€ this week, because the Walksnail Goggles X are too expensive (500€). But i think i will buy the Walksnail Goggles L instead. 😊
@@mplouisat least here in Spain is so easy to get dji goggles v2 for less than 300, and v1s for 200, so this should get even cheaper to make sense. On the 150sh range. Also, goggles X are selling pretty cheap bc people is getting rid of them with so many issues. I know that comparing to second hand market it is not fair, but there's just so much offer that it is going to kill this product. I only see this for people that really want the walksnail system for whoops
if you need to save every penny, consider building an openIPC based system.
@@mikelbcn91 Last time I checked, you can't even get DJI FPV goggles systems registered and running anymore.
Analogue is the safest bet if you want longterm compatibility and functioning.
I left FPV flying about 10 years ago and was using FrSky, Taranis remote and analog Fatshark goggles on 5 and 7 inch drones... Returning now to this great hobby, I found it quite confusing at first to understand the different new digital video systems but I think that Avatar/Walksnail is the way to go for me as I want to fly both 2’’ whoops around the house and 5“ freestyle/cruisers out in the wild. I was also considering the HD zero route but if I understood well the image quality at longer range is not as sharp which is also important for me. Thanks for your very comprehensive video and thorough analysis.
6:10 The microSD card slot is in exactly the same place in the other affordable Walksnail box goggles, the Fatshark Recon HD. In the Recon HD's its not covered up by the foam, though.
Fantastic testing and review, Chris! Thanks a bunch!!! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Caddx please: make a tx with usb-c-video-in, hdmi-in, analog-in,...
That would make it unbeatable 🤯
I’m assuming these can do audience mode? Could be fun to get a set for ride alongs
Excellent review.Thank you! If you ever do a follow up, I’d love to see a comparison between the Ls and the Fatshark HD Scouts!
Great review, thank you. A range test tilted up and down might be good (although possibly wont reveal anything significant unless there's patch antennae in there). Also, an assessment of comfort whilst wearing the googles on your forehead would be great.
There is a patch antenna and it does make a small difference if you have it aligned. Head down could be close to the 90 degrees test.
Very Daft Punk looking with the led on.
Happy they made a box goggle, have been waiting for this...arrgh but no 100fps.
I have DJI v2 and a collection of Caddx and 03's (on AOS frames), but I really want to get some tiny whoops. I flew a mates analog and i hated the image quality. However that same friend upgraded to walksnail 1s, and it is fantastic. I have been humming and harring about buying some Goggles X or Avatars just to whoop with but couldnt bring myself to spend $450USD on googles just to fly a whoop.
I am 1000% going to get a pair of these so I can run the walksnail 1s units on 65 and 75 drones. Literally watched this and UAV's reviews and am sold.
06:51, but the foam pad helps to stop it popping out. ? Laurie. NZ. 😊
Best review so far 👍
I hope you can compare the latency & penetration for VRX standard antenna (with HDZero goggles) vs Goggles L.
FYI (from product page):
Goggles L Min. Latency = Average 32ms
The affordability is a huge selling point. Extra antenna plugs would have been nice though.
I think a large part of the market wants 1 or 2 drones with good video at a cheaper, good value for money price point.
love all the content coming out today
Great for new pilots, cool, mine were fatshark scout's
What’s the release date on them
@ChrisRosser For DJI Goggles 3 they are marketing 24ms latency. Any possibility of testing the Goggles 3 latency?
YES!!!!! FINALLY I CAN AFFORD TO UPGRADE MY EV800DM GOGS TO HD!!!!!
What about fatshark recon hd which are basically the same goggles..for 40 usd more?
That's what I was wondering. The Recon HDs are the existing product that these are most similar to.
@@anthony_horton Not to mention you can drill the holes out on the top of the Recon HD to install external antennas. They use four patch antennas on the Recon HD, so remove two of them and replace with omnis and you have something possibly better for around $60-70 more. I wonder if you can open up the Avatar L goggles and send an SMA to ufl cable (assuming they used ufl patch antennas) out of the head tracker port then stick an omni to the side.
How is the “Ride Along” on Goggles L with the Goggles X?
Same question here, I wonder if the audience mode is any good of if this is a thing
I have the recons for that..@ $250
If one buys the WS Avatar system VRX to attach to ones analog goggles you are spending little over $200 bucks on it alone. Add the Kit be it 1S or V2 that price increases from that $219 to $320+
take these Goggle L at $199 and just add a pre built WS drone ( say a micro ) from around $150 to over $300 depends on what you are looking for
That brings anyone wanting to get into HD near a closer price then what they have spent on analog equipment .
My Skyzone goggles were the same price at the time I bought them for analog $199 plus tax and shipping a little over $200 bucks and not to mention multiple analog kwads I have bought and own
May allow me to try HD a little faster ( cheaper ) if I choose to .
interesting
Add a really cheap Radio Master Pocket and you have a perfect beginner friendly combo.
Today, aside from the 04X pro, I dont know of any analog goggles that can do 1080p60hz. The 04O pro used to, but now they’re only 720p. Honestly I think for some people this will be a better experience than a VRX
Indoor test criss? 😊 Camon go out and take a walk 😅
go for x ... im still ok with my altittude v5, but i could spend more and have everything, goggles is a thing after contorler, but if you are on a budget and wants hd, thats kill all analog systems
i will comment my comment, even analog goggles right now are more expensive
dji integra -340$.
There is no ipd ajustment in the googles L. Its a very important fact. Some people may go cross-eyed thanks to it. And focal length of any box googles is really short- its bad too.
ipd is not nessesary for box. it is needs for googles.
It's made for fixed wing pilots imho (refreshrate, tracker)
Love the low price, but the headtracking is not helping that. Who thought "We must include headtracking!"? They could have lowered the cost more or used the "headtracking" money towards making it work with analog also.
They are meant more for like fixed wing and planes.
@@fpvsmurf not a necessity though.
@@GR8SCOTT I agree, but those guys keep asking for it. Lol
Head tracking is a basically free feature to add in manufacturing for the goggles. Gyros are less than a penny.
Can't use your glasses with them and it's only a 60fps screen..hard pass
Hi, fantastic review :) , also for the goggles x have you tried testing for its true rms? Because some countries will limit you to how much eirp you can transmit including the antenna. Say the walksnail v3 vtx only outputs 500mw at the 1200mw setting do the goggles transmit more or stays at the same 500mw?
I didn't like the product, but I really enjoyed your analytical review of it!
Thanks! My goal is to give as much info as possible and then let people decide for themselves!
We'll let mads tech do all the tear down of these 😊goggles and hopefully there won't be a lot of extra glue involved
Hello, nice video! I want to switch from my analogue FPV statement to the digital system. My budget is relatively low and is around 300 to 350 euros. I would buy these glasses because I want to mount them on my RC plane, but I don't know which camera I should buy with them so that I don't have to pay more than 350 euros. However, it should be a good quality camera. Can you help me with which camera system I should buy with these glasses?
18:49 Possibility of 540P 4:3 "race" mode on the Goggles L? (Also latency of that mode on the X would be nice)
My tought exactly !
Is the race mode possible with this ?
No Goggles L does not support 100fps so no race mode.
@@ChrisRosser that's unfortunate, I was thinking say, like some sort of WS-only event that everyone use 540p mode for lowest bandwidth for like a 8-pilot race
@Chris Rosser thanks for such details regarding those goggles - great review - at least I know that those goggles are not for me if I have HDZero goggles - Walksnail VRX is max what I need to order - what about latency with VRX on HDZero goggles on 720p100fps - is it the same as on goggles X?
I think there may be a small amout of additinal output delay on the VRX maybe a couple of ms. Input delay on the HDZero goggles is also 1-2ms
You basically dismiss DJI with very outdated pricing information despite even mentioning it in the title and recommending the Goggle X alot - which actually cost more than DJI Integra for months now. 349$ is not "maybe 600$" and O3 is 229$ without any discounts, with replacement cameras available for 17$. Also no mention of reliability, QA, bugs etc.
Otherwise great review, but that DJI comparison is just bad to put it mildly. Goggles X + Walksnail Moonlight 4k are more expensive than a DJI Integra + O3, with DJI still winning (arguably) in quality and reliability. And that assumes that you even get the Walksnail stuff anywhere and it isn't DoA.
Great comment! The $349 price is a heavily discounted price, regular price for integra is $500 USD. ~$600 dollar price includes the VTX.
@@ChrisRosser it's a permanent price drop...
@@ChrisRosser $349 is what you pay today and in the future for DJI Integra which I think is more important than the release price? 600 including VTX is closer, but in the video you say "maybe 600 dollars for the goggles alone" (23:50).
Sure DJI still isn't budget, but value is really relative. Matching features (100fps feed, quite good 4k recording) DJI might even be the cheapest option.
Took them a few generations to best the system. Question is, how stable?
No HDMI-IN, i think is big big mistake.
They look like a lunch box with LEDs .
Bummer. Only 60fps is a dealbreaker. :/
Techy lunch box
I am pretty sure that everyone knows walksnail is better value compared to dji...
nah used dji is the best
Is it really? Chris has plain wrong/outdated information in the video. Walksnail Goggles X + Moonlight 4k cost MORE than DJI Integra + O3 - if you can even find it anywhere. And then WS stuff just breaks way more, still has worse penetration, worse image quality etc.
Sure if all you need is 60fps box goggles, don't need good recordings and are ok with a reliability gamble and/or really want good video on tinywhoops, WS might be good value.