Great review Noel! I have this BB3 squash 5ft 11” 34.4 litre I’m 75kgs 6ft. I’ve been out of surfing for about 8 yrs due to other family sporting commitments and I was after a something that was easy paddling but still have that high performance manoeuvrability. This board is amazing, easy paddling and fast and stable in 1 to 5ft surf. A must board to have in your quiver 🤙🏽
Im glad you mentioned the Monsta Box. In my head I thought it would be a daily driver as really it is a combination of the Blak Box and the Monsta "high performance" model in the JS line.
If you're thinking about buying an EPS JS I wouldn't recommend glassing it light. I have a stock EPS Monsta 8 and buckled it really badly after nose diving on a 2 foot floater. They like to say stringerless epoxies are stronger but in my opinion, they are weaker simply because they don't have a stringer. Simply put, you will no doubt buckle your EPS if you glass it light. Other than that, I think JS makes really good boards and I love their stringerless EPS ones. I think it's perfect for this board.
Stoked you offered two tail designs, i think the average surfer or working class guy whatever you want to call it never gets that opportunity to surf the same board w/ different tails and im really suprised you didnt feel any difference. Anyway, well done great review.
Great video Noel, this is a completely new chapter to me. I mean, honestly I thought that the liters of the surfboard was in a direct relationship with its weight, now you show us that isn't the case. I'm a little bit confused in this subject, weight/liters relation
charleschannel Liters are related to Weight of board in my opinion. These two BB3 in HYFY are a bit on the heavy side so they don’t have the extra float most other EPS boards do.
I’m surprised you surfed it as a 5’7. I thought you would of gone a custom 5’5 for this model. I would ride this the same length as my Neckbeard 2 I really like how it looked under your feet though.. I thought it looked really smooth. A few of my mates on the Goldy in Australia ride these boards and absolutely rip on them. In fact as a model you don’t see many guys look bad on them (and they’re everywhere here), even if their surfing is at a lesser level. Compare that to say something like the Hypto Krypto, where most guys who surfed them looked terrible. To have most guys who surf your board look good style wise is obviously a real credit to the design and how easy it is to ride. Great review as always.
Nicely done! IMO very helpful to see how a board goes in beach breaks that have some really slow sections (and really fast ones) - even if not as fun for you ; )
hi Noel i have ordered a Clever surfboard shaped by Jay Smith from Ormond beach Florida it is a take off of the cymatic I ordered a 6-2 15.5 nose 22 in. wide and a 16 tail with a five fin setup by FCS 2's 45 liters of volume i am 69 years old 174 lbs at 6 ft 1 in
Ok so ive now surfed my BB3 in HYFI a couple of times now and heres my thoughts.I ride a stock 6'2 x 20 3/4 x 2 3/4 = 38.3 L.My weight is 96 kgs and im 6'3.Firstly the weight.Ill try compare to my PU Lost Quiver Killer which is 6'2 and very similar dims.Glassing is the same on both boards 4 x 4/4...this board is super light.Id say approx 30% lighter than the QK.I know Noel says its not but to me it "feels" very light.Secondly i usually ride a 39 - 39.3 L shortboard.I sized my BB3 on the premise of an extra .5 - .8 L less for the epoxy.I can definately feel this is not as buoyant as my 39.3L QK.So my suggestion is to size your BB3 EXACTLY like your PU board litreage.Do not undervolume your BB3.Even though the thickness of the board is 2 3/4" the rails are med low and sharp.If i picked this up off the shelf without looking at the dims id think this board is 2 5/8",maybe 2 1/2".It just seems very "thin" to me.Is this a 1 - 2 ft groveller no way.In 1-2 ft i felt it wasnt at its best.In 3 - 4 it gets better.Id certainly say this is a daily driver and id think this board could easily handle 6 ft +.Hope this helps.
darren smith I got the swallow in 6 1. 36.5 liters. I don’t love the swallow.but it does work. I had the chance to ride a squash and it’s got more lift in the tail, doesn’t sink like the swallow. Also I had a breakthrough with my volume sizing. I was way over volumed. I myself is also 96kgs and I’m killing it on a 33 liter chili as we speak. These boards just don’t do what they’re supposed to if you’re oversized.
I put my Lost Quiver Killer next to my BB3 and the BB3 has more entry and exit rocker...i suspect why not the best 1-2 ft groveller as my QK is not considered a groveller.
Just bought this. Thanks for the review Noel! I still have to get those Al Merrick Large FIns you said I should get on my Holy Grail when we met out the back at Lowers. Respect bro
@@thomasvinsen1410 Hey mate, it went well in SoCal but not so good in the wind in Ireland. Wish I had got it in PU and not Epoxy. I preferred the Holy Grail from Hayden Shapes to it.
@@McGoo165 I didn’t like it at all. I felt the rail would catch when trying to drive through a turn. A friend of mine also had same experience. It seemed like it would work best for someone who’s mostly a back footed surfer. I sold the board
I put a screw in the FCSII box's anyway just in case you knock um out which did happen once to me quad rear 2days old ☹️ gutted at the time one grub screw ever since riding Futures now on most board's anyway Screw it go surf as the advert says 😃🤩👍🤙
@@8wheelsbootingfruit Simply a pain in the ass! I switched from Futures to FCS, as I got sick of how damn hard it is to get the fins out if you want to swap them.
Hey Noel, love the show! I’m 52 year old, 90kg and have a JS BlackBox 3 HYFY 6’0 swallow-tail at 34.6L with futures. What I like about the BB3 is the volume up the front which provides exceptional chest support and paddling. I have various large fins sets (AM2 (tech flex & Honey), Jordy (old model), Jack, Mayhem, Hayden, John John) and medium sets (John John, Rasta quad). My question is this: when riding in a pool where pocked surfing is required how can I loosen up the board. I’m particularly struggle on my back hand to go vert. Interested in your thoughts, even if you recommend an additional fin purchase. Thank-you
Simon Durkin The Hayden fins have the most pivots. Keep riding those... the only set with more pivot are the Legacy P8 but the HS1 fins you have are good enough. To get in the pocket faster maybe consider a shorter board for the pool... like the Astro POP
Thanks Noel. You would not believe it but the sea ate my HS trailing fin. I was frothing too hard; and screwed in incorrectly. Can you suggest an alternative back fin. PS: considering an Astro Pop too.
BB3 on a scale of 1-10 I give it a 5. The RW Squash Tail I say 7.5 out of 10. The RE is faster and easier to shred especially in slower waves. The BB3 needs a wave to go good.
Great show! is there any chance you would review the JS Xero lineup? JS discontinued the BB3 and the monstabox and came up with the Xero series (Sub Xero, Xero and the Xero Gravity), as i'm looking for a board to replace my BB3 i struggle to find any in depth review or feed back on the Xero model compared to the BB3, JS say that it's the closest to the BB3 (BB3 rocker, Monstabox rails and Monsta outline), but i don't buy that as the BB3 outline and width upfront was the part that made it so popular because of ease of paddling. I hope one day you can review the Xero and compare it to the BB3 and the monstabox, JS has ruined it for me and i'm lost now looking for a board close to the BB3.
I have a BB3 squash and a CI Rocket Wide both PU. The BB is a better paddler and fits in the small wave pockets better but the RW is easier to pivot and has more flow if the waves are lined up with better shape. I'd recommend the BB for junkier surf and beach breaks like the one you surfed here. How would you compare?
I have both but my BB3 is PU and the RW is in SpineTek. The RW grovels way better in 0-2ft, BB3 has a much narrower range and needs more wave 2ft+ even thou it’s almost 2l more volume to the RW. You have both in the exact same volume?
Karl, my RW has 1L more volume than the BB3. For me the BB3 works great in punchy windy and junkier conditions like we get here on the east coast. To my eye it seems Noel is moving much better in the beach break and a bit sluggish at the point where the RW would be a better call. Stoked either way! Both are good boards.
Hi Noel, am i right your enthusiasm is a bit conservative on this board ? I just orderd one, but now feel like there are better options around for this wave-range.
Hi Noel Loven the reviews mate - keep em coming. Quick one, how would you compare the BB3 in hyfi with the DHD 3DX - saw that you have reviewed both and am keen to get you thoughts. Cheers
Matt Hegarty I like the BB3 better.... I would just get the BB3 in a lighter construction. The 3DX goes pretty good but nothing special. The Wilco F13 is way better than the 3DX. Cheers
Xabier xabi The Phantom is a Daily Driver for 3-6’ surf... that hits the same wave range as this BB3. The Phantom is easier to surf and has better flow. I like the Phantom better.
Hey Noel awesome review as always. What you think of the Black Box 3 as a daily driver? (mostly beach breaks 3-5) and wat would you choose between this and the Cymatic.? Thanks
Michael Shroads My pressure dents were extremely light on both boards. Good durability on pressure dents..., if you get a ding or even a small crack fix it ASAP as all EPS foam Constructions sick water in big time.
Hi Noel, awesome review! Debating on get this JS BB3 and the Sharpeye Disco Cheater. I’m on the East Coast surfing NJ beach break and looking for that board that is high performance based but will go good in the 1-5’maybe 6’ range. I’m 41 , 153lbs and reasonably fit surfing at least twice a week. Being realistic I’m on the tail end of the beginner spectrum or very low intermediate. Surfing for 2 years straight now with a winter season under my belt this year. Do you think the JS would work at around 31-33 liters 5-10ish?
Hey Noel. Looking at your reviews across all the X series boards from JS would it be fair to say your winner the Air17x? But for normal humans the Monsta Box? Thanks for the education 👍
@@janicejames1276 Gotcha. But does JS shape out of there? The owners of the surf shop I go to in LA always say he shapes a bit too much for pros and powerful good waves, versus Matt Biolos who's in SoCal where it's generally weaker half the year.
@@GeniusUnleashed He lives in the Gold Coast, a mix of good points and good beachies, a mix of fat through to full on hollow barrels. Autumn and Winter fires, but Spring and Summer can have long flat spells. And yep, a heap of the top pros live and grew up on the Goldy.
Hi Noel, Thanks for your detailed review as always. I am looking something for small and medium waves. What do you think is better for this condition between bb3 and the holy grail. I having the monsta 8 in my quiver. Which of this two according to you could be used better in the condition from 1 to 5 ft (all conditions) to don't overlap with Monsta8 that usually I am using on stip and powerful waves over 2 ft. Tks Kliton
Tom Curran I made a brace by cutting up a bootie. I have a surf Knot that hurts when I surf a lot. The bootie reduces the friction... you need to cover yours so it can heal. I’ve had what you have and if you don’t cover it and keep it from rubbing on the board it will turn into a crater.
Love the videos Noel. Im torn between the BB3 in two various litres in the 5'11, 32.1 or 33. Im 6ft and 187 pounds, which literage would you recommend? cheers.
Hi Noel, I bought one of these. I find it doesn't enter the wave very smoothly. It kind of shoots forward in a rush. Does that make sense? What is the design feature I should be avoiding in the future?
@@surfnshowreviews7777 just a feeling when transitioning from laying to standing. Feels laggy then jolts forward. Possibly it has consistent rocker rather than 3 phases? Sorry, very vague I know, just want to identify what doesn't feel right so I don't buy that feature again.
@@jesse2109 I think most of the JS boards have more rocker compared to most other boards I test. I suggest boards that have lower entry rocker for a smoother take off with hood speed. Check out the Rocket Wide Squash tail, NB3, Mini Ghost, The Medina, Uber Driver. You can also go to our website and check out all the Small Wave Performance Boards category. Here is the link… surfnshow.com/collections/surfboards
Ricky Cole Sampler is way faster and grovels great in 1-3’ surf. It maxes out at 4’. The BB3 is more of a daily driver and best in 3-6’+ surf. I would not put these two boards in the same class....
Hey Noel, you recommend the Reactor fins. I'm similar size and weight to you but would only be intermediate skill. Surfing a lot and always looking to push it. Would Reactor PC Carbons be the way to go or just PC?
PC Carbon is stiffer, so in theory, better for bigger waves and/or better surfers who can generate their own speed well. PC is less stiff, and Neo Glass even less so. So, the Neo Glass is actually best for small waves and/or lesser skill, but it's also a matter of personal preference, so you could explore and see how you like them if you get a chance. I know a guy who shreds, and he rides Neo Glass in everything, he just likes the feel. I still haven't fully explored that myself, but I know I prefer Reactor fins in all my boards, as I just love the loose feeling, it's just my style, possibly because I grew up throwing skateboards around, so they give a similar feeling, but I'm not sure. I've given a bunch of different fins a go in all types of waves and boards, and just love Reactors for everything. I know another guy who loves AMs in everything, and he was sponsored by Rip Curl, so got to try every fin under the sun. Personal taste is king. Hope that helps.
Noel, I have the Monsta Box Hyfi in a squash tail and noticed they also make it in a swallow. It's an awesome all around SoCal board. What's the difference between the BB3 and Monsta Box?
I live in a country with import restrictions, any idea on how I could get the 3d design of the board in order to ask my local shaper to shape it with the cnc machine?
Hi Noel, first of all thank you for all your helpfull videos. I live in Canada near a good River wave that i surf multiple times a week during summer. I'm intermediate/advanced in the River but probably low intermediate in the ocean cause i dont have the chance to go often. I want to buy a daily driver to pair with my 5'6 JS psycho nitro. I will use it in the River when conditions are good and on occasional trip to the east coast and central America. I dont have much choice here but i can either get a squash bb3 or a holy grail both at 5'9 at a shop near me. Which one would you chose ? I'm 5'9 and 155 lbs, 29yo. Cheers !
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for the reply. Will you review the CI happy everyday soon? I could also get this board and it seems to be perfect for my needs.
Kevin O'Loughlin The BB3 is a bit tighter and not as quick rail to rail compared to the HG. They are both good in 3-6’. I would say the BB3 is a tad more user friendly
Steve Link Sampler is better in 1-2’ surf. To be honest if want a sick small wave performance board I recommend the JS Air17X. It goes mental in 2-6’ surf. Not ideal for 1’ surf but keep your Sampler for that. Cheers
I have a Nitro for flatter faces waves when I don’t want to ride a standard shortboard. Does the AJ have the same fishy/skatey feel or does it have more of a shortboard feel...
Amazing after being out of loop for 10 yrs how much detail is reviewed......maybe too much. The human changes day to day so hard to be consistent whereas piece of foam doesnt.....golfing is similar whereas one day club is perfect and next it ismt but club hasnt changed we did type o thing
Kirk Dunn I believe the foam does change every day... the pressure dents and pop in the foam will not last forever. Much like the grooves on your wedges in golf. New wedges offer more traction when they are new..... after a couple years the grooves wear down a bit and offer less bite or jizz.
Seeing the board in the unpredictability of beachbreak adds a whole new element!!!
Great review Noel!
I have this BB3 squash 5ft 11” 34.4 litre
I’m 75kgs 6ft. I’ve been out of surfing for about 8 yrs due to other family sporting commitments and I was after a something that was easy paddling but still have that high performance manoeuvrability. This board is amazing, easy paddling and fast and stable in 1 to 5ft surf.
A must board to have in your quiver 🤙🏽
Good review, really liked how you made a comparison to the monsta box and air 17x, that is really helpful when looking at buying one of these boards.
You've mastered your show Noel, this was a great review, thank you. Also the on location shots on the beach are very entertaining.
Im glad you mentioned the Monsta Box. In my head I thought it would be a daily driver as really it is a combination of the Blak Box and the Monsta "high performance" model in the JS line.
If you're thinking about buying an EPS JS I wouldn't recommend glassing it light. I have a stock EPS Monsta 8 and buckled it really badly after nose diving on a 2 foot floater. They like to say stringerless epoxies are stronger but in my opinion, they are weaker simply because they don't have a stringer. Simply put, you will no doubt buckle your EPS if you glass it light.
Other than that, I think JS makes really good boards and I love their stringerless EPS ones. I think it's perfect for this board.
Holy Sh*t you just surfed a beach break!! Hahaha. Your best review ever for doing a point and a beachy....and doing the two different tails. Bravo.
Stoked you offered two tail designs, i think the average surfer or working class guy whatever you want to call it never gets that opportunity to surf the same board w/ different tails and im really suprised you didnt feel any difference. Anyway, well done great review.
Oceanside Harbor for the win! Excited to see a review at my home break.
Noel your reviews are second to none ,awesome cheers from Australia.
Great video Noel, this is a completely new chapter to me. I mean, honestly I thought that the liters of the surfboard was in a direct relationship with its weight, now you show us that isn't the case. I'm a little bit confused in this subject, weight/liters relation
charleschannel Liters are related to Weight of board in my opinion. These two BB3 in HYFY are a bit on the heavy side so they don’t have the extra float most other EPS boards do.
I’m surprised you surfed it as a 5’7. I thought you would of gone a custom 5’5 for this model. I would ride this the same length as my Neckbeard 2
I really like how it looked under your feet though.. I thought it looked really smooth.
A few of my mates on the Goldy in Australia ride these boards and absolutely rip on them.
In fact as a model you don’t see many guys look bad on them (and they’re everywhere here), even if their surfing is at a lesser level.
Compare that to say something like the Hypto Krypto, where most guys who surfed them looked terrible.
To have most guys who surf your board look good style wise is obviously a real credit to the design and how easy it is to ride.
Great review as always.
Neck beard 2 looked better under foot. Great breakdown as usual.
Thanks for the amazing review. I was waiting for this review before committing on buying this board. Just ordered it! Thanks again!
How did u go with the board man ? Trying to get some feedback for 2 to 4 beach break
This is the best surf show ever.
Yewww!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Great show as always. What’s better. The phantom of this for 1-3ft waves.
Thanks for everything you do Noel
Phantom Carrie’s more speed and easier to surf
Those boards looked really good under your feet. Seems like a good match.
Nicely done! IMO very helpful to see how a board goes in beach breaks that have some really slow sections (and really fast ones) - even if not as fun for you ; )
This is such an enjoyable show.
You guys are killing it.
hi Noel i have ordered a Clever surfboard shaped by Jay Smith from Ormond beach Florida it is a take off of the cymatic I ordered a 6-2 15.5 nose 22 in. wide and a 16 tail with a five fin setup by FCS 2's 45 liters of volume i am 69 years old 174 lbs at 6 ft 1 in
Great review as always. Thanks, Noel!
Ok so ive now surfed my BB3 in HYFI a couple of times now and heres my thoughts.I ride a stock 6'2 x 20 3/4 x 2 3/4 = 38.3 L.My weight is 96 kgs and im 6'3.Firstly the weight.Ill try compare to my PU Lost Quiver Killer which is 6'2 and very similar dims.Glassing is the same on both boards 4 x 4/4...this board is super light.Id say approx 30% lighter than the QK.I know Noel says its not but to me it "feels" very light.Secondly i usually ride a 39 - 39.3 L shortboard.I sized my BB3 on the premise of an extra .5 - .8 L less for the epoxy.I can definately feel this is not as buoyant as my 39.3L QK.So my suggestion is to size your BB3 EXACTLY like your PU board litreage.Do not undervolume your BB3.Even though the thickness of the board is 2 3/4" the rails are med low and sharp.If i picked this up off the shelf without looking at the dims id think this board is 2 5/8",maybe 2 1/2".It just seems very "thin" to me.Is this a 1 - 2 ft groveller no way.In 1-2 ft i felt it wasnt at its best.In 3 - 4 it gets better.Id certainly say this is a daily driver and id think this board could easily handle 6 ft +.Hope this helps.
We need to size the epoxy just like pu.maby 1/2 liter.less no more.
did you ride the squash or swallow im the exact same size guy as you im torn between the two tails
stretch13 9 ive got the squash tail...i just went for what ive always ridden...ive never tried a swallow
@@stretch1396 hey stretch what tail did u get and howed it go i have the same prob as u
darren smith I got the swallow in 6 1. 36.5 liters. I don’t love the swallow.but it does work. I had the chance to ride a squash and it’s got more lift in the tail, doesn’t sink like the swallow. Also I had a breakthrough with my volume sizing. I was way over volumed. I myself is also 96kgs and I’m killing it on a 33 liter chili as we speak. These boards just don’t do what they’re supposed to if you’re oversized.
sick review!
would love to see you review a taj board!
beach buggy 2 or sabotaj
thanks for the great videos!
Amazing review as always, keep it up noel so fun to see you rip 🤙
I need to stop the subscription to the channel, too much board lust
Great review, really appreciate the detail and reasoning. V helpful!
I put my Lost Quiver Killer next to my BB3 and the BB3 has more entry and exit rocker...i suspect why not the best 1-2 ft groveller as my QK is not considered a groveller.
Thanks for the review. I was researching fins and you answered my question!
Just bought this. Thanks for the review Noel! I still have to get those Al Merrick Large FIns you said I should get on my Holy Grail when we met out the back at Lowers. Respect bro
How did the board go for you ? I m considering it but i dont find people to be super excited about the board either
@@matr4724 won't be able to ride it until this week fam.
@@PeterClaven let us know !
@@PeterClaven how was this board man. Do you recommend it
@@thomasvinsen1410 Hey mate, it went well in SoCal but not so good in the wind in Ireland. Wish I had got it in PU and not Epoxy. I preferred the Holy Grail from Hayden Shapes to it.
A friend has the BB3 and told me the same. The board is for 3-5 ft even 6 range. It's not good for 1-2 ft surf
I have it and I agree. This kinda defeats the purpose for this type of board as I see it be wise there’s better board options for 3-6 range
@@surfbum8166 how you liking the BB3 (3-5)
@@McGoo165 I didn’t like it at all. I felt the rail would catch when trying to drive through a turn. A friend of mine also had same experience. It seemed like it would work best for someone who’s mostly a back footed surfer. I sold the board
FCSll - tool less fin entry system..... *carries hockey stick tool, 400000 times the size of a fin key*
great review!
I put a screw in the FCSII box's anyway just in case you knock um out which did happen once to me quad rear 2days old ☹️ gutted at the time one grub screw ever since riding Futures now on most board's anyway Screw it go surf as the advert says 😃🤩👍🤙
@@BeefcakeRhinodog71 also a futures devotee. Long live simplicity
@@8wheelsbootingfruit Simply a pain in the ass! I switched from Futures to FCS, as I got sick of how damn hard it is to get the fins out if you want to swap them.
Good review... it would be awesome if you added the weight on all reviews some people don't realize how important that is... Thanks 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
Hi Noel
Just realised watching this, not many reviews out there on the JS Xero or Xero gravity.
I hope to get on one soon
I would like to see this with twin plus trailer fin setup
This was a super helpful video thanks heaps I really enjoyed it
Wow...surfing was amazing along with the video!!
Hey Noel, love the show! I’m 52 year old, 90kg and have a JS BlackBox 3 HYFY 6’0 swallow-tail at 34.6L with futures. What I like about the BB3 is the volume up the front which provides exceptional chest support and paddling. I have various large fins sets (AM2 (tech flex & Honey), Jordy (old model), Jack, Mayhem, Hayden, John John) and medium sets (John John, Rasta quad). My question is this: when riding in a pool where pocked surfing is required how can I loosen up the board. I’m particularly struggle on my back hand to go vert. Interested in your thoughts, even if you recommend an additional fin purchase. Thank-you
Simon Durkin The Hayden fins have the most pivots. Keep riding those... the only set with more pivot are the Legacy P8 but the HS1 fins you have are good enough. To get in the pocket faster maybe consider a shorter board for the pool... like the Astro POP
Thanks Noel. You would not believe it but the sea ate my HS trailing fin. I was frothing too hard; and screwed in incorrectly. Can you suggest an alternative back fin. PS: considering an Astro Pop too.
Hey Neil. Bought a Legacy P8 set and they made all the difference. Thanks mate.
2 questions please.
1)how you like the bb3 1to10?
2)how can you comper the bb3 to rw ci?
Please i need to dicied
BB3 on a scale of 1-10 I give it a 5. The RW Squash Tail I say 7.5 out of 10. The RE is faster and easier to shred especially in slower waves. The BB3 needs a wave to go good.
Great show! is there any chance you would review the JS Xero lineup? JS discontinued the BB3 and the monstabox and came up with the Xero series (Sub Xero, Xero and the Xero Gravity), as i'm looking for a board to replace my BB3 i struggle to find any in depth review or feed back on the Xero model compared to the BB3, JS say that it's the closest to the BB3 (BB3 rocker, Monstabox rails and Monsta outline), but i don't buy that as the BB3 outline and width upfront was the part that made it so popular because of ease of paddling.
I hope one day you can review the Xero and compare it to the BB3 and the monstabox, JS has ruined it for me and i'm lost now looking for a board close to the BB3.
Not sure at this time. I plan on reviewing the Sub Zero for now
I have a BB3 squash and a CI Rocket Wide both PU. The BB is a better paddler and fits in the small wave pockets better but the RW is easier to pivot and has more flow if the waves are lined up with better shape. I'd recommend the BB for junkier surf and beach breaks like the one you surfed here. How would you compare?
rippert Compare it to what... the beach breaks or to the RW? Sorry I don’t understand your question...
Sorry Noel compare the BB3 to the RW. Thank you.
I have both but my BB3 is PU and the RW is in SpineTek. The RW grovels way better in 0-2ft, BB3 has a much narrower range and needs more wave 2ft+ even thou it’s almost 2l more volume to the RW. You have both in the exact same volume?
rippert The RW grovels better and it has better flow. The RW paddles better too
Karl, my RW has 1L more volume than the BB3. For me the BB3 works great in punchy windy and junkier conditions like we get here on the east coast. To my eye it seems Noel is moving much better in the beach break and a bit sluggish at the point where the RW would be a better call. Stoked either way! Both are good boards.
Hi Noel, am i right your enthusiasm is a bit conservative on this board ? I just orderd one, but now feel like there are better options around for this wave-range.
Michiel Boot The board design is good... the weight of my two boards really limited me on getting the performance I expected out of them.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for your answer! I'm mainly surfing Dutch beachbreaks on it so let's see how it goes!
Michiel Boot Should go good!!
Ripping noel!!!! both in the review and in the surf
Looks like you're moving in slow motion on some of these waves
Can you do the no brainier please. Really want to know your opinion on how it compares to the rocket wide. Thanks
Noah Baird I just got two... haven’t surfed them yet but review is coming. Hang tight
@@surfnshowreviews7777 rode it at a demo. Hope you like it
Hi Noel
Loven the reviews mate - keep em coming.
Quick one, how would you compare the BB3 in hyfi with the DHD 3DX - saw that you have reviewed both and am keen to get you thoughts.
Cheers
Matt Hegarty I like the BB3 better.... I would just get the BB3 in a lighter construction. The 3DX goes pretty good but nothing special. The Wilco F13 is way better than the 3DX. Cheers
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Legend - thanks Noel!
How do you compare with the phantom? Maybe is betwen the Phantom and the Rocket wide??
Xabier xabi The Phantom is a Daily Driver for 3-6’ surf... that hits the same wave range as this BB3. The Phantom is easier to surf and has better flow. I like the Phantom better.
Hey Noel awesome review as always.
What you think of the Black Box 3 as a daily driver? (mostly beach breaks 3-5) and wat would you choose between this and the Cymatic.?
Thanks
Sure... the wave needs a bit of power and steepness for it to go good.
@@surfnshowreviews7777, thanks for replying, cymatic or BB3?
@@McGoo165 Cymatic
It says up to 4ft, but would this board be able to handle 5ft plus point breaks which can be a bit fatter? Great review! Thanks
Absolutely
great review! any notes on the eps durability of these boards?
Michael Shroads My pressure dents were extremely light on both boards. Good durability on pressure dents..., if you get a ding or even a small crack fix it ASAP as all EPS foam Constructions sick water in big time.
Hi Noel, awesome review! Debating on get this JS BB3 and the Sharpeye Disco Cheater. I’m on the East Coast surfing NJ beach break and looking for that board that is high performance based but will go good in the 1-5’maybe 6’ range. I’m 41 , 153lbs and reasonably fit surfing at least twice a week. Being realistic I’m on the tail end of the beginner spectrum or very low intermediate. Surfing for 2 years straight now with a winter season under my belt this year. Do you think the JS would work at around 31-33 liters 5-10ish?
I say Disco Cheater without a doubt. Is say 32-34L…
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks for the quick reply. Appreciate it! Going Disco Cheater then EPS of course.
Where did you get that tool to pop out those fins from? Looks extremely helpful when your are wet and just slide off!
Chris King I use it all the time... www.finpuller.com
What is the rocker on this board staged or continuous?
And is it low entry, low exit?
Check with the folks at JS. I think it’s continuous rocker. Maybe medium entry and medium exit.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for your reply.. Wonder how the swallow would have gone with the 2+1s?
Hey Noel.
Looking at your reviews across all the X series boards from JS would it be fair to say your winner the Air17x? But for normal humans the Monsta Box?
Thanks for the education 👍
Trevor Hocking Yessir! Exactly correct
will you be doing a review on the js Black Barron?
p.s love the show keep up the good work
Luke Mitchell Yes
Will you ever do a review on the CI Happy?
Koompa Yes... but it it’s going to be a bit. I got two Happy’s for review but I have a few boards in front of it to review first. Hang tight
This is the only problem of getting surfboards designed by Aussies. The waves so much more push down there I hear compared to SoCal.
good point - summers are weak though. Your feed only blows up in winter and even then we just had a 6 week flat spell in the east
Couldn't be more wrong. Majority of the east coast is crap beachies
@@janicejames1276 Gotcha. But does JS shape out of there? The owners of the surf shop I go to in LA always say he shapes a bit too much for pros and powerful good waves, versus Matt Biolos who's in SoCal where it's generally weaker half the year.
@@GeniusUnleashed He lives in the Gold Coast, a mix of good points and good beachies, a mix of fat through to full on hollow barrels. Autumn and Winter fires, but Spring and Summer can have long flat spells. And yep, a heap of the top pros live and grew up on the Goldy.
Hi Noel,
Thanks for your detailed review as always. I am looking something for small and medium waves. What do you think is better for this condition between bb3 and the holy grail.
I having the monsta 8 in my quiver. Which of this two according to you could be used better in the condition from 1 to 5 ft (all conditions) to don't overlap with Monsta8 that usually I am using on stip and powerful waves over 2 ft.
Tks Kliton
Kliton Bylykbashi 2’ steep waves BB3 will go better than HG. I don’t like either board option for 1-2’ soft surf.
Tks for your time see you in next shows.
Hey Noel, if you had to choose between the BB or pyzel gremlin what would you choose for 1-3ft surf?
oMittch If you mean the Black Baron or the Gremlin I would go Black Baron
What's on your foot? Looks like a brace or something. Or could you also have a sore like I have that won't heal and you have to cover it?
Tom Curran I made a brace by cutting up a bootie. I have a surf Knot that hurts when I surf a lot. The bootie reduces the friction... you need to cover yours so it can heal. I’ve had what you have and if you don’t cover it and keep it from rubbing on the board it will turn into a crater.
Hey Noel
What do you think as a groveller on the east coast of Australia in Queensland. Black box 3 or rocket wide in spine tech?
Joshua Morriss RW is way faster... check out the NB2 also. I would go NB2 in Spinetek
how would you compare the BB3 in hyfi with THE MEDINA surfboard ?
Lizu Perets No comparison... the BB3 is slow compared to the Medina. The Medina out performs the BB3 in every category for 1-6’ surf.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 paddling ?
Lizu Perets Medina paddles better too... it has less rocker
Love the videos Noel. Im torn between the BB3 in two various litres in the 5'11, 32.1 or 33. Im 6ft and 187 pounds, which literage would you recommend?
cheers.
I say 33L for you.
Hi Noel, I bought one of these. I find it doesn't enter the wave very smoothly. It kind of shoots forward in a rush. Does that make sense? What is the design feature I should be avoiding in the future?
Not sure I understand what you mean?
@@surfnshowreviews7777 just a feeling when transitioning from laying to standing. Feels laggy then jolts forward. Possibly it has consistent rocker rather than 3 phases? Sorry, very vague I know, just want to identify what doesn't feel right so I don't buy that feature again.
@@jesse2109 I think most of the JS boards have more rocker compared to most other boards I test. I suggest boards that have lower entry rocker for a smoother take off with hood speed. Check out the Rocket Wide Squash tail, NB3, Mini Ghost, The Medina, Uber Driver. You can also go to our website and check out all the Small Wave Performance Boards category. Here is the link…
surfnshow.com/collections/surfboards
sick review!
Hi Noel, how does the BB3 compare to the CI Sampler? Thanks
Ricky Cole Sampler is way faster and grovels great in 1-3’ surf. It maxes out at 4’. The BB3 is more of a daily driver and best in 3-6’+ surf. I would not put these two boards in the same class....
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Ok cool. Are either of these 2 boards similar to the CI 4 (Groveler dims)? thanks again.
Ricky Cole Not really... the #4 in Groveler dims is epic.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks Noel
Hey Noel, you recommend the Reactor fins. I'm similar size and weight to you but would only be intermediate skill. Surfing a lot and always looking to push it. Would Reactor PC Carbons be the way to go or just PC?
Michael McCarthy Reactor PC is good enough... no need for the Carbon. Great performance in the Reactors... quicker pivot.
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Thanks Noel and would you say large fin size is the go with the BB3?
Michael McCarthy I like Large... if they feel tight then get a smaller center fin to loosen it up a bit
@@surfnshowreviews7777 cool. Thanks again for the advice
PC Carbon is stiffer, so in theory, better for bigger waves and/or better surfers who can generate their own speed well. PC is less stiff, and Neo Glass even less so. So, the Neo Glass is actually best for small waves and/or lesser skill, but it's also a matter of personal preference, so you could explore and see how you like them if you get a chance. I know a guy who shreds, and he rides Neo Glass in everything, he just likes the feel. I still haven't fully explored that myself, but I know I prefer Reactor fins in all my boards, as I just love the loose feeling, it's just my style, possibly because I grew up throwing skateboards around, so they give a similar feeling, but I'm not sure. I've given a bunch of different fins a go in all types of waves and boards, and just love Reactors for everything. I know another guy who loves AMs in everything, and he was sponsored by Rip Curl, so got to try every fin under the sun. Personal taste is king. Hope that helps.
I'm curious how you feel the BB3 stacks up against the CI Rocket Wide?
Surfkid16 RW is better in 1-3’ surf and the BB3 is better in 3-5’ surf
Noel, I have the Monsta Box Hyfi in a squash tail and noticed they also make it in a swallow. It's an awesome all around SoCal board. What's the difference between the BB3 and Monsta Box?
CW Rodriguez The MB might have a little more rocker overall... if it does not by much
@@surfnshowreviews7777 so, for socal type shit, should i go with the MB or BB3?
CW Rodriguez MB 3-5’ surf... BB3 2-5’ but order one the light side.
Surf n Show Reviews what are your thoughts on the BB3 vs Psycho Killer Carbon Wrap for chest high and under?
CW Rodriguez PK goes better in 3-6’ surf... I like the Air17X better than both in small waves performance wise.
I live in a country with import restrictions, any idea on how I could get the 3d design of the board in order to ask my local shaper to shape it with the cnc machine?
Wow really, import restrictions on surfboards? What country is that?
Hi Noel, first of all thank you for all your helpfull videos.
I live in Canada near a good River wave that i surf multiple times a week during summer. I'm intermediate/advanced in the River but probably low intermediate in the ocean cause i dont have the chance to go often. I want to buy a daily driver to pair with my 5'6 JS psycho nitro. I will use it in the River when conditions are good and on occasional trip to the east coast and central America. I dont have much choice here but i can either get a squash bb3 or a holy grail both at 5'9 at a shop near me. Which one would you chose ? I'm 5'9 and 155 lbs, 29yo. Cheers !
Holy Grail is faster and way more fun
@@surfnshowreviews7777 thanks for the reply. Will you review the CI happy everyday soon? I could also get this board and it seems to be perfect for my needs.
@@SuperBigben8 We are dropping something on the H Everyday this Monday
What was the name of that fin removal tool?
bodhi tree Fin Puller... www.finpuller.com
Hey Noel does the Blak Box have similar outlines as the No Brainer from FireWire?
No... the BB has way more rocker.
Noel, had an original BlakBox but want a new board 2-6" - Omni or Blak Box 3 (88kg & older guy)
Sorry 2-6ft surf
Hey mate what’s this compared to the rocket wide ? Thank you
cccccc54able RW has more speed and flow and paddles better. BB3 has a bit more performance in 3-5’ surf
I shoulda ordered rocket wide 😭🙃😔
please review CI happy
What size Reactors did you use?
Thanks!
M. Rademacher Large Reactors. Medium Quad Reactor Rears.
You look way faster on the Akila Aipa
Would u recommend this for a beginner-intermediate surfer?
Caise Brinkman Not a good for beginner/intermediate surfer. Check out the Psycho Nitro or Nitro
Which is best BB3 or Rocket wide?
Ian H Rocket Wide
@@surfnshowreviews7777 Yew!! Thanks for the reply.
Hey Noel , Wich one do you recommend between blak box 3 , pyzel phantom , monsta box ?
Matteo Scarrica MB in 2-5’ surf and Phantom in 3-7’ surf.
How does this compare to the Hayden Shapes Holy Grail?
Kevin O'Loughlin The BB3 is a bit tighter and not as quick rail to rail compared to the HG. They are both good in 3-6’. I would say the BB3 is a tad more user friendly
Hay Noal , I ride a sampler was thinking about this board next , witch in your opinion is better in smaller surf
Steve Link Sampler is better in 1-2’ surf. To be honest if want a sick small wave performance board I recommend the JS Air17X. It goes mental in 2-6’ surf. Not ideal for 1’ surf but keep your Sampler for that. Cheers
What is that tool you're using to remove the fins?
It’s called a Fin Puller... you can buy it here....
finpuller.com/
What is the size of those Reactor Fins ?
Marcelo L Large
What point break do you usually test at Noel?
wozza77able Sorry... I don’t talk about surf locations to respect the locals.
Well it looks like Trestles but its hard to tell from Merewether
wozza77able the point break is 100% lowers, I've seen him there a few times haha
Antonio Michael yeah I thought it was
Oside harbor 🤙
Hey Noel, how does the BB3 compare to the JS Nitro?
Matthew Jones Nitro is better in 1-3’ surf and the BB3 is better in 3-6’ surf
Thanks Noel....how about the Nitro vs the average Joe?
Matthew Jones I like the UJ better... more performance
I have a Nitro for flatter faces waves when I don’t want to ride a standard shortboard. Does the AJ have the same fishy/skatey feel or does it have more of a shortboard feel...
Sorry I meant Nitro vs Ultra Joe in the previous message not Average Joe....
Do you get sponsored by board brand or do you have to buy them???
Reid Shaw The board brands send the boards down for review at no charge. We test the boards and they are ours to keep.
nice
Please. I'm begging you. Test an EVO.
JBOsurf I hope soon... I asked FW and I still don’t have the green light. No boards yet
JBOsurf bro go rent one. They’re fun. I’d bet if you called around to local shops someone will either be demoing them or renting
CW Rodriguez Not into the review that bad...
@@surfnshowreviews7777 folks keep hounding you about the same ish. those boards are everywhere
Fuck that ugly thing
Amazing after being out of loop for 10 yrs how much detail is reviewed......maybe too much. The human changes day to day so hard to be consistent whereas piece of foam doesnt.....golfing is similar whereas one day club is perfect and next it ismt but club hasnt changed we did type o thing
Kirk Dunn I believe the foam does change every day... the pressure dents and pop in the foam will not last forever. Much like the grooves on your wedges in golf. New wedges offer more traction when they are new..... after a couple years the grooves wear down a bit and offer less bite or jizz.
epic
as suspected, squash is better