TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS ep 2 - Characters
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Episode #2 of a new series designed to help new Transformers fans get to grips with complicated concepts and lore! Lots of Transformers share the same name - so why are some similar, and some totally unrelated?
Steeljaw is another example of this. He was originally blaster's deployer like how ravage is to soundwave. In the aligned continuity....he is a decepticon anti-hero.
Agree with Cynical Robot
I think that movie ironhide is actually really similar to g1. He’s the tough guy not afraid to go into a fight.
MOFELINEXT 2 you said it, still want to tear that piece of scrap sentinals head off
Thedriftyisaac And died as easily
It’s Ironhide for you man
The only significant difference is that he looks completely different from Ratchet.
Such heroic nonsense, for a character...
I love this series so much
YES
I feel the same. They’re very informative.
Thew Adams me too man me too
It's fucking getting my nerd gland all excited and tingling.
HI Thew! I love your videos. Till all are one!
Great episode. The only thing I feel was missing was a reference to Tall Tankor and Fat Tankor from the comics just to show how ridiculous/meta the whole renaming thing can get.
I had a bunch more examples like that in the original cut of this, but they were pushing the runtime higher than I wanted and bogging it down, so I hadda drop 'em!
I thought the same thing. IDW also has two Knockouts. One is the G1 builder and the second one is the Prime racer.
@@ChrisMcFeely you're such a great creator Chris. While other youtubers cram a bunch of BS in the video to make it over 12 minutes long, you make the video only as long as it needs to be. Thanks
I was never really confused when it came to multiple characters having the same name. Before I really grasped the idea of multiple continuities, I just took the idea of two different characters named “Cyclonus”, for example, the same way multiple people are named “John”. Even with them not using the same kind of naming scheme humans tend to use, the idea of every single last one of a species having a completely unique name just made no sense and later on I would sometimes stumble on mentions of this not being the case.
For instance in an episode of Rescue Bots Academy, the students are trying to name a dog that followed them back from a mission and one of the suggestions was “Scoop” and when Hotshot called it out on not being a name, Boulder mentioned that he knows a lot of bots named “Scoop” and even then the dog was actually named “Heatwave” after his owner’s favorite of the Rescue Bots. There’s also the drawing on Whirl’s locker implying that there is another Whirl based on the G1 character in the same continuity and a lot of fans like to interpret that as a Father-Daughter picture.
So I guess that means few, if not no names are off the table when making an OC. You can simply just explain that they were named by someone else of by themselves after the more famous holder of that name or just treat it like it is a somewhat common name. Just think about how many famous fictional characters are named “George” for example.
The bots naming themselves after other existing bots is very common. Megatron named himself after Megatronus, for example
That was made even back during Beast Era, with Optimus, Megatron, Silverbolt, Thrust, etc.
Even if the movies suck, it did bring transformers back into the spotlight again leading to more consistent characters which I'm thankful for, and the first movie does hold up well
The random name reassignments during the RID/Unicron Trilogy era are a pain in the ass. As if we had a Grimlock who didn't even transform into a dinosaur!
That's one of those ones in particular where it's like "What were they thinking?" I mean, Armada Cyclonus or Cybertron Menasor or whatever - those guys only had the one toy of their G1 selves behind them, so it was a clean break. But Grimlock had multiple G1 toys, and a Beast Wars toy! Grimlock was a "legacy" even by the time of RID, it was so weird. SO weird that that's why I didn't include it in this ep, cause it would have eaten up a bit too much time to talk about - one for a future Grimlock spotlight episode, I think!
The random assignment of names is something I really don't like, though given how many mini-cons and suchlike there were you'd probably run out of new names to create, meaning they had to plunder the back catalogue sometimes with strange results. It just doesn't seem fitting when a name like that of the mighty Thunderwing now suddenly belongs to some insignificant mini-con.
Glad to see more consistency with name assignments of recent - but then I'm not too keen on making characters EXACTLY the same in different continuities, e.g. Knock Out as talked about in the vid, and various other Prime characters in TAAO. I prefer the characters to be similar but distinct across different continuities.
Armada Cyclonus made some sense at the very least since the name went to a character whose main alt mode indicated he could kick up spinning, lashing cyclones with his propeller.
Just confusing between Armada Cyclonus and Cyclonus's Armada!
The REAL confusing part was the fact that characters in Armada and Energon sometimes got misnamed compared to the official US media.
A couple times, they'd call eachother by their names in Japan, like Optimus naming one of his combinations "Jet Convoy" when it had been called "Jet Prime". Cliffjumper and Downshift from Energon were infamous for switching names so regularly you'd swear that one of their shared character traits was a desire to mess with everyone.
Drift is an example of keeping things the same former decepticon turned autobot samurai but each has a different personality
You do such a good job of explaining things in a way that makes it easy to understand, such a good job in fact that by the end of the video when you mention how complicated it was, it really didn't seem all that complicated
Chris: "But that way of thinking came back to bite them in 1986's Transformers the Movie."
Me: It wasn't the *only* place it came back to bite 'em. 😀
I thoroughly enjoy "Transformers The Basics". The chronological information, the pictures/clips in the video, the in depth research, the clear appreciation in your voice. I have watched so many of your videos in the past 2 weeks when i stumbled on them in a search and appreciate the knowledge you provide. Your work is amazing.
I may have been born months before the original movie in '86... but Transformers has been one of 2 defining interests in my youth and still is. I've always been the bad guys in my collecting and awe I had in characters but I do have favorites in the good guys.
I have seen you done Cyclonus and he is my favorite Decepticon. I wonder when and if you will do a Basics on Blurr. He is my favorite Autobot. I would love to someday see his history laid out as flawless as the others.
I never cared one way or the other about Blurr until I got into drugs. He always acted like he just shot up a thick fifty of some killer shit. I could finally relate.
I'm loving this series, just discovering it recently. I was a TF fan in the '80s and got back into them over the past year or two. These videos help me make sense of, and accept and embrace, the giant mess that is the TF universe.
I would like to add that Knock Out was also the name of Energon Ultra Magnus, and both of those characters are homages to their G1 counterparts. Knock Out's being the Micromaster you mentioned. I feel homages are also a very important part in the name game.
Fun fact; the RID incarnation of Grimlock is not the same character that showed up in Fall of Cybertron, despite being in the same continuity. They just have the same name. A similar thing happened with Thunderblast in Cybertron - there was the opportunistic Decepticon cougar and a Minicon that were both released as toys the same year.
I was very connected to the characters of the G1 cartoon. I remember crying while watching the cartoon movie, seeing my favourites die really hit me! Really enjoying your vids, thank u.
You have done so far an amazing job at trying to untangle the mess that is the TF universe for those who aren't neck deep in nerd like some of us are. This episode especially is good at highlighting the issues fans have had with names just being applied without rhyme or reason for so long. I know this stuff already and have for years... BUT it's really great hearing some one being able to explain it in a simple fashion. It's all in my head so I get it, but it would take me over an hour to explain what you have here in 10 minute, easily digestible, segments. Keep up the amazing work!!
In the case of Armada Scavenger... While he's clearly inspired by the Constructicon of the same name, they clearly have two different personalities. One is a Autobot combat trainer (and probably is in the Autobot equivalent of the USMC) while the other is a Constructicon with self-esteem issues.
Of course, that's a good sign that the "Aligned Project" is working. Knockout is now Knockout, not just a name given at random. He's now a rash decepticon medic full of himself that loves a fancy altmode. Windblade and other fan-created transformers is another example of the Aligned Project going as planned, as well as carryovers like Bulkhead and Lugnut from other realms.
Where other than animated has lunged appeared?
I appreciate the effort and research for every video... thumbs up
I remember the first time i noticed the name thing in beast wars. It was oddly enough not dinobot but silverbolt. I couldnt figure out if he was connected to the G1 guy or not
This is actually a serious issue in my opinion, because now characters tend to look TOO much alike in each differentshow. I'm not saying return to "give names of characters at random", but at least try to make it easy to differentiate between the different versions.
Once again Chris, great episode. Thoroughly enjoyed it.
It bugs me how they stopped being creative with characters and names. If I were to run a new tv series, I'd opt for my take on Ironhide to be a Pickup-truck, like the movie, but externally blue and a bit of a rookie, like Energon, and female, like in Armada. and that's just one character I'd mix things up a little with.
I like the thought of names drifting about looking for a ‘definitive version.’ It’s cute, and for some names, a bit sad. Don’t worry Silverbolt, you’ll find a character. (Though you’re always the Wolf eagle Fuzor to me.)
I’m not sure which is more appealing, an aerial bot afraid of heights, or an overly chivalrous hero. They’re both so interesting, I can’t pick one
I will always think of the aerialbot first when I hear that name. But I do like the Beastwars version.
thanks for making this series, many transformer channels on youtube only talk about the toys so it's really cool you talk about lore and other fun stuff. being a fan for almost 10 years, there still stuff im learning through your videos. Subbed in a heartbeat. keep up the awesome work!
I love those huge character artworks. There's like 3 or 4 of them, and I used to have most of the comics that had the pictures in them; only thing is, it took like 12 issues, lined up just right together on the floor, to get the full image. Those were the days...
I got my introduction with Car Robots aka Robots in Disguise (2001). The first time I saw Bumblebee, and you can gasp with me, I honestly thought they had changed Hotshot's name and I got mega confused. But it turns out it was the other way around (kinda).
When he said that the removal of characters by having them killed of for the OG movie made me think of an analogy using FNaF 4, basically hasbro was Michael and the response by the fans was Fredbear...
It makes sense if you skwint.
This is the quality content I need.
Excellent work. I am late to watching these but have been collecting since 84. You are really nailing it and helping newcomers now and into the future.
We need a good transformers series that have the TOS bots mixed with new, they need to keep their looks and names. The animation can't be goofy. One day I hope
Its too bad that Hasbro didn't copyright all of their g1 lineup names and toys so that way they wouldn't have the problems later on
My favourite renaming was Inferno going from an Autobot fire truck to a Predacons Ant.
"For the glory of the colony!!!"
Well, “Inferno” being a name for a fire ant Transformer makes sense.
Doppelgangers throughout the multiverse! :o
Hasbro just see a toy, and another toy, and another product or way to make money...
Transfomers is transformers because it doesn't have to be the same they come in different forms in the transfomers universe
Sometimes you might like two different versions of a character who have the same name which I like in a weird way two characters who are the same name get our completely different it's just funny and realistic
If you ask me, the easiest character to point out who’s who in every continuity is Optimus
The way that Ironhides name was used in Michael Bays transformers really does tell you how much he gives a shit about longtime fans
Really enjoying this series, thank you :)
I guess my only critic is that in the japanese version of the unicron trilogy, they all had different names, like Armada Cylonus was known as Sandstorm and so on.
Hasbro really need to put Sixshot in something. A Decepticon turn Autobot like in G1.
Sixshot wasn't a turncoat in G1. He's never been an Autobot as far as I'm aware.
I think he's confusing Sixshot for his son, Quickswitch.
@@Wolfie1262 Wait, since when did transformers have offspring?
@@syweb2 quite a few do in the Japanese G1
@@Penningtontj Someone doesn't know anything about the G1 Japanese continuity and it shows.
I think these first four episodes of the Basics could really go for a modern update today. The audio quality in these videos has definitely improved over the years
👍 episode,👍 video about the all transformers characters,thank you Chris and 👌 up the 👍 work.
My favorite best transformers legacy characters goes by:
G1 continuity family
Evergreen/Cyber verse continuity family
G1 & non-G1
evergreen/G1
Knight verse of the knight formers
My worst others transformers non legacy characters goes by:
Robots in disguise/car robots
the unicron trilogy/legends of the micron
Aligned continuity family
Live action movie films aka R.I.P. Bay verse of the bay formers
Animated aka season 4 cancelled
G1 continuity family: "retro, knight verse of the knight formers, Generations selects, Non-G1, G1, G2, shattered glass, Cyber verse/evergreens, machine wars, beast era aka beast wars/beast machines, you're all with us & me." "& that means the rest of you too, diaclone, diakron, micro changers, micro change/micronauts/micro man, micro machines aka gobots/gobo Tron with rock lords, Trasformer, & Kronoform, you're all with us & me now." "Robots in disguise/car robots,
the unicron trilogy/legends of the micron,
Aligned continuity family,
Live action movie films aka R.I.P. Bay verse of the bay formers,
Animated aka season 4 cancelled, & all the others transformers continuites a lot, you're all traitors!"
Travis Knight direktet on movie.
ROTB has another Direktor. (:
And then some characters are named after DIFFERENT older characters in different languages. For example, Armada Red Alert is named Ratchet in Japan.
I considered pulling up the "Sureshock/Arcee/Ariel" balls-up as a Japanese parallel to the English "Wheeljack/Downshift" one, but I figure that for the target audience I'm aiming these videos at, we'll keep to one language-version of events to minimize confusion!
Animated Bulkhead is also named Ironhide in Japan
The only two Beast Machines figures I had were Mirage and Scavenger, and at some point the only thing left of the them were there arms, no idea what happened, but scavengers hand was a handy replacement when the RID X-Brawn figure i had lost his, didnt interfere with the transformation whatsoever.
Regarding Bulkhead. I didn't know his name was used prior to ANIMATED. All the time, I speculated that Animated Bulkhead was supposed to be called HARDHEAD, based on the G1 Headmaster. And they couldn't trademark the HARDHEAD name. One reason why I thought this was so, because his head has taken off by MASTER for sometime. :D
Very informative video sir. :)
By some accounts, Bulkhead was the very first character they designed for Animated. They wanted him to be a completely new guy, so they could use him as a baseline for the aesthetic.
Wow!
To be fair ya...can't really be blamed for not knowing where Bulkhead's name came from. Energon was pretty damn hard to make it through.
Especially since Energon Bulkhead is actually a Springer homage (green and grey helicopter, similar head design, and they even have the same Japanese name). Energon did that a lot - the Grapple homage is named Roadblock, the Wheeljack is Downshift, the Long Haul is Demolishor, etc. Sometimes the Japanese name swapped to reflect it, sometimes it didn't.
so is the movies hound hound or bulkhead?
The "re-use" of character's names is wrong, & if you really wanna keep it 100, reusing character's names is just fault out laziness. When Transformers [G1] launched, [like G.I.Joe] what set them apart from every other anime cartoon & toy line, was that each character had a specific skill set that was directly tied to their name/code name/or call sign. Ironhide was a Bot that was known for his extraordinary durability & toughness. Smokescreen was a bot known for his ability to distract & deceive & create "smokescreens" of thick black smoke that provided the Autobots tactical advantages against the Decepticons, & so on & so on. Jazz, Ratchet, Ravage, Soundwave, Laserbeak, Wildrider, Drag Strip, Devastator, Astrotrain, Blitzwing, Thrust, Ramjet, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Razorclaw, Jetfire/Skyfire etc. So for them to even consider reusing, or giving another character, another Bot/Con name? That's idiotic. It makes about the same amount of sense of being Ironhide but using Skywarp's name or being called Skywarp. 0% sense. Why they didn't just give new characters new names that coincide w/their abilities/powersets, as originally intended & done in G1 & in G.I.Joe, as I initially said, was straight laziness, & nothing short of it
Supreme Commander Lord Starscream is ALWAYS Supreme Commander Lord Starscream
President Starscream all hail starscream
@@lordstarscreamproductions970 ALL HAIL LORD STARSCREAM!!
Amusingly,there's 2 Buzz Saw homages in Unicron Trilogy.
First Energon Rapid Run,redeco of Armada Sideways.
Second Cybertron Buzzsaw redeco of Armada Cyclonus.
That Blackout at the end tho.
I only grew up with bayformers and the alligned continuity
dude your video are fricken awesome I have been watching a few an they arn't getting boring at all, great job mate
Hello! I just discovered your channel and this series! I love your vidoes so much and is very helpful for new comers to the franchise!
Lmfaooo that shot of Rodimus though 😭😭😭 why does he have on a maroon adidas sweat suit 😭😭😭😭
Oh the knockout part was juicy
Still doesn't explain why the Aligned continuity has TWO completely separate T-Rexs named Grimlock. Figure that one out.
Different characters with the same name.
It makes sense though. If there are millions of Cybertronians then of Corse some have to have the same name. Who knows maybe Grimlock is the dinobot version of Jonathan?
So great!!! Keep it up!!! Now I know where to point to new TF fans!!!
Crazy to think how scattered and jumbled up it is...🤘🏼💯✔️
To the different variants of characters is why I support the whole multiverse theory.
that wheel jack xD
Thanks Chris, didn't even know you were on the youtubeziz.
Was the green bot from the movie supposed to be knock-out?
I don't know how to feel about it. I like both approaches
So the fans care more about Transformers than Hasbro. That’s a little sad...
Yeah. I found out well before this video that Hasbro didn't even know people really liked Optimus prime or cared about any of the rest of the cast. As much as I like the original Movie the character deaths were awful and terribly done to boot. They showed just how little they understood their customers.
Not really. Hasbro making a character being totally different in every continuity is just a fresh way of reinventing the franchise. I preferred that way than the way it's nowadays, every character now is just a copy of some popular version, they don't try new takes anymore
Knock out - that Micromaster - I actually had that toy :-) right in the feels.
Kinda ironic when robot having their own identity crisis. If you think about it.
7:00 I had that knock out figure I loved him to bits
It doesn't explain how some G1 characters are brought back to life as future action figures, let alone how Galvatron turns back into Megatron.
0:04 OHHHHMYGOOOOOOSH I WISH I HAD THEIR MODERN TOYS ALREADY!
Animated Ironhide never even got an Earth vehicle mode.
again great stuff
At least the movie Ironhide didn't talk with a Texan drawl.
Cartoon fans watching Megatron casually kill their favorites: *cries*
Comic fans watching same scene: pfft.. Shockwave killed them all with just one blast
Huh...Transformers uses random names applied to random characters?...Now what other famous Hasbro franchise uses that same philosophy? Perhaps one that was released around the same time for a toyline marketed towards the opposite sex?
thank you so much
i always wondering why my beloved iron hide is not colored red in the movie but now i get it
wasn't the wasp in Beast Wars named Waspinator, not buzzsaw, or am I drugs right now?
Colin Luton There was more than one wasp! Buzzsaw wasn't in the cartoon, but his toy was a repaint of Waspinator's.
Colin Luton would it really matter what he said???? Cuz down the road with all the rehashes and renaming n stuff this figure eventually would b the one he named in the video. So to sum it up: big deal. Who cares.
Buzzsaw turns into a hornet.
Reacted with horror is putting it mildly according to my mom and aunt several of their friends refused to leave their rooms after seeing that movie heck i've heard accounts to children being taken out in a sobbing mess to them hasburo didnt just kill off a beloved character they took a what an generation of people considered the kindest person they've known it was if the world truly lost a precious thing. even if optimas has survived worse
I really wish that sideways from armada and getaway from idw lost light would be mixed into g1
It seems like over time they became more and more like comicbook charaters. Like all incarnations of Spider-man are all definitively Spider-man, even though they all vary. Sometimes it's even hard to tell if two versions are in the same universe or not. I personally love vague canon. No franchise actually has a flawless canon. So keeping it loose means you can more easily get creative and have fun with it.
Personally I'd like to see an animated MTMTE one shot comic
i like movie ironhide the best
Hasbro definitely smooched the pooch killing off Optimus Prime in the original movie for sure lol
Everything from Energon did this to most of the characters... which had became really annoying, I remember finding most of my annoyance with Energon Ironhide the most.
Some of the toys were okay but...eh...
5:34 open up the captions.
Nice
8:29 lol to then there's only a license and a product.
Cool video,2:42 flag of Ukraine in hand of bluestreak,4:31 downshift is minicon in sky boom shield in armada.
8:45 is that blackout our grindor?
Blackout!
awesome job fella.
Chris I always thought the Unicron trilogy was a continuation of Gen 1
I always thought energon bulkhead was ment to be springer
I am just finding out about this post. I had to figure this out for myself like 6 yrs after this video.
In the grim darkness of hasbros thrown there is only profit
damn I remember having a prowl figure that I got at a dollar store that wasn't bootleg
Great series. Why is there the same characters in every incarnation? $$$$$$, that’s why, lol
Hasbro's problem is that they only see the name and toy product not the person, that's one of the why Bay there.
It's weird that one transformer is named Wheeljack, while another looks like him.
The transformers g1 continuity family forever wins has all confirmed returns
A lot the unicron trilogy, R.I.D. (2001), aligned continuity, & cyberverse (2018-2020) with ker-o & botshots with botbots has all cancelled confirmed. *except a lot the (live action films & animated), (the transformers cartoon & movies), & (the transformers TV show & studio series) has all return with g1 continuity family confirmed*
Please no.
Transformers has the most confusing, overly complicated history of any series. Geezus
Well, that’s because there’s no one version of Lore.