TRANSFORMERS: THE BASICS ep 1 - Continuity
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- The first episode of a new series designed to help new Transformers fans get to grips with complicated concepts and lore! This episode gives you a basic overview of the history of the Transformers franchise and how it breaks down into different continuities.
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I think that the fact that there is no "ONE" true canon played a part in how Transformers has survived this long.
The main part is that transforming robots are inherently cool.
@@foldabotZ 🤣
True, but the crazy lore is what gets a lot of us to stay for the long haul up to adulthood.
“Transformers has no canon”
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It is a multiverse. It has no one specific canon continuity in it. That always was the official version.
Beat me to it
@@TheRezro
Many stories use multiverse theory nowadays, which isn't bad mind you. If art is up for interpretation, why not have said interpretations be validated by being their own universes?
Agree with theRezro and Water bros
There's a differences between that ruined creatively lost internet creation and the transformers. Transformers has multiple cannons that splits off into multiple continuities. Your sco foundation on the other hand has no cannon and no solid continuity. Don't confuse structureless with multi structured.
Hasbro: No we can't make everything united! not even the aligned continuity!
Takara: It's all G1.
Everything that isn’t connected to a new cartoon that is and even then, the multiverse hop all the time😂
G1 Cartoon Blaster: Hold on to your dancing shoes and go, man, go!
Some Comic Version of Blaster: GOLDBUG! MY LIFE ISN'T IMPORTANT! RELEASE THE ACID!
I don't know about you guys but I see continuity here.
Wha...
@@antonissa8345 Possibly a drugs reference.
Probably the best one can do in explaining Transformers "continuity."
That'd be www.TFWiki.com, but you can't ingest the TFWiki in 10 minutes.
IDW continuity is fairly cohesive, unlike the aligned continuity. Even then multiple does not equal bad in terms of continuity
Around 5:45 I got lost and just gave up.
@@youtubedj9298 I'm making my own transformers universe called transformers legend saga starting from the golden age of cybertron till the war for cybertron to earth and then a new era when world's collide and I'm trying to make it like live action like the marvel cinematic universe and anime like rwby
@@redalert923 you're doing what now?
That’s one thing I always enjoyed about the franchise. The lack of a singular cohesive continuity encouraged kids like me to take their transformers toys and tell their own stories. I had figures from the unicron trilogy, the live action film, generations, animated. Basically figures from all across the mythos and I just came up with my own version of the transformers story, pulling ideas from the many different continuities. Anyways thanks for clearing up the confusion Chris. As an on-and-off lifelong fan of the franchise I struggled to wrap my head around the different retellings of the transformers story until I stumbled upon your channel last year.
Funny thing is, the creators did exactly the same thing with the franchise in the pages of Timelines and the Transformers Collectors' Club Magazine (you can read those for free online if you look).
There's this thing called Axiom Nexus which is a multiversal hotspot where Transformers from across the multiverse keep meeting up. So you get Animated 2007 characters meeting Bayverse characters and G1 folks, etc, all the time. It's great!
Only they have a major rule: No Optimus' or Megatrons. They make things messy, haha.
I do the same, too. My collection is not one line but from multiple, so I have an Animated Jazz and a Movie Optimus Prime, a Generations Armada Starscream, RiD15 Soundwave, etc. And I just tell one story, also based on the multiple versions of the Transformers story.
Ikr? You want to build an Autobots team consisting of G1 cartoon Optimus Prime, RID 2001 Prowl, Armada Hot Shot, Animated Bulkhead, and Prime Arcee? Go for it!
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You missed a perfect chance to say "ever *transforming*"
DestroyerOfAglets damn it
Transformers continuity is continuously transforming.
This is one reason o love the transformers series. Rather than letting old lore stop them or retconing things people like they just say “screw it here is some new stuff, maybe it fits, maybe it doesn’t.”
Stuff like these make comments about hating all the new stuff and accusing the old ones of being rewritten all the more annoying. They're not re-written because this is a multiverse franchise.
Essentially, Different universes with Different outcomes and Different versions of characters.
What a tremendous series, Chris! I'm a G1 child and even I've lost touch with the continuities. Your basics series has refocused my Transformers love.
@0:31 Love Ultra Magnus expression there.
The finger tap makes it too good! this channel has amazing editing.
Im a lifelong fan and even I didn't know how the continuity worked before this.
Love how you pointed out IDW's strong influence on modern G1. Been grinding through your content. Keep up the great work.
Many things(But not everything) in my Personal Canon is inspired by the IDW Comics(M.T.O Soldiers, Outliers, Cold Constructing, Forging, the Colonies(Also inspired by the Unicron Trilogy and a few other Universes), Primus Apotheosis, the Simanzi Massacre, etc, etc)
The basic story is right on the label: _Robots In Disguise_ . Everything else can be reimagined.
G1 continuity family, robots in disguise 2001, unicron trilogy, & the 4th transformers movies are all my favorite (2:49-5:02 to 6:02) except aligned continuity family, live action movie films, & animated (7:18-8:12 to 8:45)
The original 6th continuity of transformers:
G1 continuity family (2:49)
Robots in disguise/Car robots 2000/2001 (5:02)
The unicron trilogy (6:02)
Aligned continuity family (8:45)
Live action movie films (7:18)
Animated (8:12)
"What does that have to do with the cartoon my parents or older siblings watched?"
don't mind that sound, it's just me crumbling to dust from being too ancient to live
The concept of multiple continuities is also found in the Multiverse idea from Marvel and DC.
Yes but Transformers isn't as afraid of straying from this central core as Marvel is.
@@animo358 I rather it have a core main universe
@@soundshock9357 You have. It is Exodus book in case of Aligned Continuity Family. Sadly adaptations tend to not fallow each other.
Technically Hasbro, Marvel and DC are the same Megaverse (what include also few other franchises). They have canon crossovers.
Both Marvel US and UK Transformers comics have their own reality numbers in the Marvel multiverse. Marvel US (and G.I. Joe) is Earth-91274 and Marvel UK (and Action Force) is Earth-120185.
Nice take on the continuities on Transformers. You present stuff similar to the way I do on my channel in a lot of ways. Hope to see more!
I've seen many UA-cam videos attempting to explain the Transformers world and they've mostly left me confused. But yours does a great job of breaking it down and making it easily understandable.
I for one like the fact that its not all connected, what happens in one show stays there so its easier to follow.
With everything trying to have a shared universe or complete 'canon' I find it nice to have something that keeps it all contained and isn't afraid to tell its own stories.
Your proabably the best at explaining TF stuff you lay it out in a easier way of understanding
That gif of Ultra Magnus...classic. "Gamma waves in this sector of space make navigation marginally difficult--" *trails off as Ultra Magnus and Springer look bored* "...but yes, I believe I can!"
I love the way he speaks. He speaks with the cadance of "Oh fun fact about this :D" and "And even this is that! neat right?"
Its so positive
I know 0 about transformers but wanted to get into them and I'm already learning so much
This is a fantastic project!
This brings tears to my eyes. They were the best thing in my childhood
I really enjoyed this first episode Chris, can't wait to see more.
This question has been bothering me my entire life; can Transformers lift weights or something to become stronger like humans? I think you know what I mean. So, if a transformer is not very strong, could they just workout, or do they have to transform into something bigger to become stronger. Like for instance, in physical strength, a small autobot like Arcee wouldn’t Mach up with Optimus. So, would she try to transform into a bigger vehicle. I say that because a semi truck is bigger than a motorcycle, and Optimus is a semi and Arcee is a motorcycle. So does strength matter on the size of vehicle? And what about mass? Someone like bumblebee couldn’t transform into a bigger vehicle like a Boeing jet, so would bumblebee be stuck with his strength? If you or anyone could answer these questions, it would be much appreciated. Thank you.
You don't see it so much today, but classically, "size" and "mass" didn't always necessarily factor into a Transformers' strength - Brawn, for instance, one of the smallest original Autobots, was also one of the strongest, outranked only in Tech Spec numbers by Optimus Prime. But logistically, if a bot's significantly BIGGER, then they're going to be proportionately STRONGER, because they have to be to carry the mass and weight of their own body around, so if someone like Bumblebee or Arcee could get themselves a bigger, tougher vehicle mode body, they're likely to get some strength increase - Bumblebee, in fact, did this in the IDW comics, going from dinky volkswagen to big tough movie-esque muscle car. That said, IDW's comics have featured the idea that the "animating force" of every individual's spark is different - that is to say, each 'bot's body can only be enlarged SO FAR before the spark can no longer animate it. So some bots can be HUGE because their spark is strong enough to animated such a body, but other HAVE to stay small because their spark can't properly animate a large body, which would be slow and weak despite its size.
On the matter of working out, the Headmasters were once seen using gym equipment in the Japanese cartoon, but that was more about keeping themselves in tip-top physical condition than it was about actually increasing their strength via exercise, which it's hard to imagine would work for a robot.
Chris McFeely ok, now THAT makes sense. Thank you!
@@ChrisMcFeely so basically the spark in this regard functions similar to a heart in the human body as a human heart can only support a certain size before it gives out?
@@sockshandle Yeah, that's one way to look at it!
It depends on the continuity as in the g1 size and mass has nothing to do with strength. Seen in Brawn in the g1 cartoon or Overlord in the macinama power of the primes where he was far stronger than the combiner Mensor. As Chris said in other continuities it is different.
The Unicron trilogy sparked my love for Transformers as a whole
Nice
Got another idea for another continuity:
Transmettal tails: It's about transformers telling classic fairy tales. The main difference is that every character in their story is a cybertronian.
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Transformers Cyberverse: Allow me to introduce myself😉
BTW. Great Video, even now!
True
Is it a new continuity?
@@ukaszbiaas183 No. It isn't. At least not yet.
@@TheRezro So it's aligned?
@@ukaszbiaas183 Unknown. Hasbro worked on Shared Universe, so it could be reintegrated later, but for now I don't see it as truly distinct on its own.
That was really good, Chris. as clear and concise as it could be. You should show these off at TFNation.
My personal favourite story/continuity is everything to do with the cybertron games. I’m not one to play games so instead I (strange enough as it is) watch it instead on UA-cam. It’s got all the grit, deep lore and I love the fact the designs aren’t overly simplified, or overly complex. Like a realistic take on gen1’s designs, without the mess and grey of the movie designs
This has become my favorite channel in the last couple weeks and I’m now rewatching them. I’m impressed and love these characters and these videos!!
Thank you. I was so confused. I even went to the wiki to look at continuities and got more confused. Now it makes sense.
This is why transformers is still around today. You can restart and have cool stories all around the different continuity
For me it's armada that had the deepest characters. May not have had the best story but the characters were awesome! Also I loved Garry Chalk as Optimus, this show had the best Starscream hands down.
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You know one thing I noticed about each Transformers continuity is that Robots in Disguise (2001) and Animated are the only continuity with only one representation each. G1 has the original cartoon, the movie, the Japanese series, and Beast Wars. The Unicron Trilogy has three full tv shows to it's name. (Armada, Energon, and Cybertron) The live action movies have 5 movies in the same continuity with Bumblebee as a separate sub-continuity. (But I'm not sure if Bumblebee is a brand new Continuity or not). And finally the Aligned Continuity has two video games and three series to be proud of.
Unless I missed something, then the original Robots in Disguise and Animated with only one representation. I'm not counting comic books or anything like that since those are spinning off from their respective main continuity. I'm only counting stuff that continues the story of that respected continuity.
So, yeah with all that in mind Animated and RID are truly unique among Transformers Continuity and as such makes then pretty special if you ask me as their our only glimpse into that corner of continuity.
Excellent work! I've been diligently trying to cohesively unify the G1 toon, Wings Universe, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, the Beast Wars timelines comics (specifically Dawn of Future's Past, Descent Into Evil, and the Razor's Edge), and the Wreckers comics. Barring minor inconsistencies, it's fit together pretty well, with Wings Universe acting as basically an extension of the cartoon, tying in the Beast Era and it's stories, but altering them just enough to fit perfectly. It's really been useful for expanding the continuity as a whole. The only headache is Reaching the Omega Point, which has caused a myriad of problems, mostly involving Unicron. Now I hate him as much as the other characters do!
9 months later edit: I have scrapped using Wings Universe in favor of the Universe War storyline due to a couple of reasons that are rather convoluted. It's helped streamline things more.
Great stuff, look forward to more episodes.
The TF multiverse offers some really good crossover potential actually, such as Transformers/Mass Effect, TF/Cyberpunk2077 and TF/Matrix. Talking from experience, you can play RPGs like that online already.
The tf multiverse doesn't exist anymore. Hasbro abandoned the idea in 2010. Each continuity is now seperate and unrelated
Still interesting video as per usual Chris thanks very much I was 12 years old back in '84 when g1 started
All your one year episodes, especially this one, definitely needs an update
I've always had a problem with the concept of continuity families. For instance, the only strong similarity between the IDW Transformers comics and the G1 comics and cartoon, is the names, and the designs, of characters. Personalities, backstories and mythos are so immensely different that it barely qualifies as a G1 family IMHO. Even the designs are so radically changed after a few years that it's basically unrecognisable from where it started. Yet Cyberverse, which is closer to the old canon in many ways, also has very G1 inspired designs, but is not considered part of G1/Primax universal cluster. All seems pretty arbitrary to me.
Cyberverse is its own continuity
@@novustalks7525 ...you didn't quite grasp anything I said did you?
This is the quality content I need.
Chris thank you so much for your expert insight into my childhood favorite (g1) cartoon series and continuity, please keep these videos compelling brother!!!!👌👍
"In the Multiverse, everything is Canon!"
Really love your videos, kinda makes me into transformers even deeper!
i'm fine with many continuities, because it can help new comers understand what is transformers without watching or reading many source material to fully understand transformers, it like a preparation for them before watching the original on my opinion
Loved it! Can't wait for the next installment. Great job! I had my 9yo watch this so he would understand the stories better.
Transformers and TMNT are the two franchises that seem to get reboots right. DC should learn a thing or two from them!
This was perfectly explained.
I got some ideas for new continuity.
Blaster vs sound wave: this is more focused on blaster, sound wave and the cassettes. The cassette animals function like pokemon.
On target: this focuses on the target masters. And the stories reflect the issues with gun forms.
Eletia 1: this is more of a girly type story line. Elita 1 and her fembots have adventures like 'my little pony'.
Cobra vs deceptacon: this is more like a Hitler vs Stalin kind of story. Cobra has been stealing deceptacon tech and Megatron found out about it.
My favorite continuaty is the Animated continuity. No character errors, no animation errors, no continuaty errors and no multi-universe confusing alternative plots. Just one simple nice big universe all conjoined as one nice big universe that deserves more exploration. All the comics and video games connect with the show in telling the big story. That is what makes it the best I believe.
I highly doubt Animated had no animetion errors. No cartoon in existence is devoid of any.
great idea for a series, looking forward to Future installments!
wow, never Knew about car robot being a g1 continuation in Japan, thank you for the info guys, good video
Who's here for the 7 year anniversary? Here's to 7 amazing years of the Basics, a round of energon for the lads 🍻!
If the "War for/Fall of Cybertron" is in the same universe as "Transformers Prime", I'm happy
They're part of the larger Aligned continuity family, but I think they're not 100% connected as I think they're part of their own sub-continuities. Maybe.
Nice video. With so many reboots I already knew this was complicated. G1 is by far my favourite as I grew up on it back in the 80's. I also liked the mention of Transformers Armada. The comic book series of Transformers Armada had the distinction of being significantly better than the cartoon.
Thankfully we have things like Unicron to make it all fit. Since he can travel the "multi-verse" thats the franchises wild card for making all versions tie in.
Unfortunately that was changed several years ago. An event called ‘The Shrouding’ separated all universes and made any multiversal singularities separate as well. Now every Primus and Unicron are separate from each other, along with the 13 Original Primes.
@@magnusprime962 atleast that allows some side stories to be ignored then lol. Which means the bay verse doesnt have to exsist in lore.
@@Excellerator420 Despite your personal feelings to the Bayverse, the Movies are and always will be canon and part of the lore. It can't be ignored as it now forms a large part of the franchise now and also serves as inspiration for future versions of Transformers. As Chris said here, nothing is truly non-canon. Everything is canon, maybe to each other but to their own continuities.
@@foldabotZ oh i get that but up untill recent retcons. The covenant of primus specifically used Unicron as a method of keeping the "universes" separate with only him and Primus being the only beings to exist among all versions due to being multidimensional. I.e. if Marvels 616 never knew about any other versions of itself. And through that means if a person didnt like the Bay verse but say liked Bumblebee well then thats fine. You have a mechanism and lore backing up ignoring the one you dislike versus loathing it like a Star Wars fan. And its also a out for inconsistencies from the writters. Granet a lazy one but still a logical and pre set reasoning for things like the above mentioned example. Where one movie breaks the story of another because of small details. You can just say "well that was universe x and this is y." Basically giving the fans that froth at the mouth a way to step back chill out and just do the age old, "if you dont like it, dont mess watch it". Its how the Terminator/Transformers universe exsists along side the new My Lil Pony/Transformers universe.
I always thought that the toys themselves, specifically the tech specs, seemed to have their own separate continuity. For example, Jetfire is given the same rank as Optimus Prime, and the title Air Commander. But I don't recall him ever being in any leadership role. Also the Soundwave of the Tech Specs has a totally different personality from what he is given in the other stories.
I know this comment is 4 years old, but it's still a fun one.
You would be correct. The toy bios don't frequently mesh with what we're actually given on screen. Probably the most famous example is the first wave of Beast Wars Toys (Bat Optimus Primal and Alligator Megatron) imagined the characters to be the original cast of Autobots and Decepticons, just taking on new animal forms in their constant war. It wasn't until the Cartoon was up and running that it shifted gears into a new generation of characters with similar names.
And fun fact: Because of licensing deals in Europe, Hasbro couldn't release certain diaclone transformers into the region for its first few years, most notably Optimus Prime. Hence why they used Jetfire, a large toy based on the Macross Valkyrie and not produced by Takara, as the Autobot commander in the interim.
I'd say that fall of Cybertron and war for Cybertron are a different continuity that robots in disguise, Transfomers prime and rescue bots, which do work together when you look at the details, the different designs can be overlooked because of the different animation styles
Very good project!!! Even it´s interesting for people like me who already know all of this. This is interesting to watch!!!
Got another idea for another conuity.
G1Evolved: it's a combination of G1's 2001 and the actual 2001. It mostly shows an ex cobra who went to autobot City to find another planet. He stated that he joined cobra because it was a place to go.
This series is just awesome, so far. Can't wait for the next episode!
I had no clue there were so many different continuities going on. I stopped with the Beast era, I didn't care for the look, but I did enjoy TF Animated, and RiD.
Imagine how the continuity will look in 2025 or later!
We have to remember that reboots in general don’t have to be the same continuity that was confusingly altered. It’s just a separate universe and that’s all.
I saw the G1, both American and Japanese and always regard them as one continuity despite many western g1 fans act like the japanese one never existed. They have 6 Autobot leaders and 6 Decepticons leader battling out through the generation. By the time of the 4th Autobot leader, humans have spaceships and colonized planets. Progress from the era of Rodimus where they learn about making one in Cybertron.
You *have* to draw a line between, them, though - the American continuity has "The Rebirth," while the Japanese has "The Headmasters." They split in different directions at that point. At a minimum, they're as separate as the Marvel US comic and UK comic, which also had different, conflicting stories despite a shared base.
...the cartoon our parents watched when THEY were kids...
Fuck, dude. That hurt... why you gotta hurt me like that?! Just uncalled for... *weeps in middle age tears*
This is fantastic man! we need more people like you in the TF community on UA-cam Well done.
Excellent video, Chris! Love the content, and the accompanying video. Very impressive production value, and i think you're on to something here.
man as a sonic fan, a LOT of this shit is just like "damn, you guys too huh?" lol. that mantra of "everything is canon" in particular...that resonates man lmao
Good episode. I hate the movie universe. People try to ask me questions about it and I got nothing, mainly because even if I saw the movie I deleted it from my memory immediately after.
okay i love the one where megatron loves grilled cheese
Recommended by Thew... not dissapointed... and subbed... going for the complete series, my man!!
i like what you have done here keep up the good work👍
The continuity thing is the same with Marvel and DC. In fact, similarly to some Marvel and DC comics, sometimes the continuities collide, of which has happened a few times in the comics and also in Transformers Rise of the Dark Spark.
I wonder if Cyberverse is the newest Transformers continuity after the Aligned Continuity.
Will you ever talk about how the transformers multiverse works, and how it has been changed in recent years to allow for these detail differences to be more acceptable?
That's one of the more complicated ideas - which, if we're being honest, only ever affected a very niche amount of media put out by one publisher that new fans won't be readily exposed to - but yes, I do have plans to talk about Singularities and the Shrouding in a future episode once I get some of the more basic concepts out of the way! :)
Cool, thank you.
What are your opinions on the D-void of the dead universe?
Given it's behavior and relation to characters traditionally associated with Unicron, do you think it could be
the iteration of the character for IDW's canon? I've seen a lot of talk in forums on this, but not a lot of videos or actual questions/answers to the writers.
Eh, well, even when it was introduced the Dead Universe felt like a replacement for Unicron - a way to do a cosmic universe-level threat without actually doing Unicron. But no, if IDW ever does Unicron, I think he'll be separate from it.
I want a Transformers Animated season 4 and I want it now
Very well done! And then there is the Japanese continuity.
I freaking love your videos, Chris. Please keep up the good work!
generation 1 2:49
armada 6:03
prime 8:45
I know that lots of Transformers fans don't like Bay-formers Megatron. Mostly because he just seems to be the bad guy for the sake of being the bad guy. But that's just so Megatron. Right?
Plus, I love his visual design. Subtle as a sledgehammer, spiky and scratched. He's really intimidating and I was a little bit scared of him when I first saw him. Especially his sharp teeth and small glowing red eyes. I was only eight at the time.
Me to i just love Hugo Weaving vocing Megatron in orginal film trilogy (1,2,3) and i just love his finale words to Prime before he is killed by him," Besides what whould you be wituout me ,Prime" those words are just Epic.
People have a problem with movie Megatron being a bad guy because he’s a bad guy? Man, they’ll certainly hate the G1 Decepticons.
7:59 like how the upcoming Bumblebee movie contradicts the movie tie-in comics from the first 3 movies *ahem* *ahem*
More like the upcoming Bumblebee movie contradicts the entire live action movie continuity AND it's own tie in material.
Guys
That’s probably because the bumblebee movie is them starting over
There are so many different stories,about the transformers franchise, you can always start a new series over again.
I was wondering if Transformers Galaxy Force still exist as a seperate continuity to Transformers Cybertron, eventhough Galaxy Force came out first before the Cybertron cartoon.
And if Transformers Galaxy Force is still part of the Unicorn Trilogy continuity.
Galaxy Force is seperate from its English adaptation similar to how a Super Sentai series is to its Power Rangers adaptation. Technically, it is still part of the UT.
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Hi Trans
I find it funny how one of the only major examples of a long running franchise which constantly reboots itself is the longest running film franchise, Godzilla
10:17 ngl it would be cool if you did an episode dedicated to Angry Birds Transformers lol
The aligned continuity is my favorite
Well the movies seemed to have a consistent continuity and timeline of event when it came to the first 3 films. However Age Of Extinction and it's sequel, The Last Knight not only contradicted the first three films and the comic books. But themselves as well.
BIONICLE TRANSFORMERS!!!
(trademarked by me and random bionicle creaters anonymously at the same time,we all own the rights.)
I grew up during the Unicron trilogy. I remember watching Transformers Energon and Transformers Cybertron.
All I ever really followed since I was a kid was the G1 cartoon continuity.
According to the G1 japanese timeline, Car Robots are part of it.
And it is
Car Robots: Generation One Continuity Family
Robots In Disguise(2001): Robots In Disguise(2001) Continuity Family
A Nova Geração(The New Generation which is what the Series was called here on Brazil): Robots In Disguise(2001) Continuity Family
That is what he said.
I really enjoyed the concept & was hopeful the Hasbroverse would take off. Gi Joe, Transformers, Mask, Rom, Micronauts & Visionairies? Bles my young heart lol! If only COPS had reappeared to FIGHT CRIME... IN A FUTURE TIME
Each reboot series is different in their own thus feeling like a whole new universe so in all its's a multiverse of the same series all with one thing in common
Autobots vs Decepticons
Man, all of this for marketing some fancy action figures.
They made it work though
Make a video talks about the basics on aligned continuity
So basically Transformers Multiverse. I can dig.
Notes on the Car Robots series: It's based on the ''Brave" series, hence why you'd see similar designs and plot devices from that franchise that bleed into this series. In a way, it's totally acceptable that Fire Convoy exists in the same universe as GaoGaiGar!
Same could be said for Masterforce, Victory, and Zone which shared/recycled designs/toys for the Brave series anime and vice versa. Dai Atlas' toy became Goryu from Might Gaine. Deathsaurus became Red Geist from Da Garn, and Sixshot became Kagero/Shadowmaru in J-Decker.