The best chef I ever worked for was a full on call out type of guy. He’d fucking roast you if you weren’t improving. He made me so much better. I had to throw my ego in the trash and really look at the work I was doing. He made me so much better than I could have been on my own. Fuck these whiners. If they don’t like writing so much send me their editors email. I’ll take a shot at writing some comics. I don’t care about the money, I don’t need it. I care about the art of comics and making someone day a bit better because they read my story and didn’t feel like never buying a comic again.
Rare occasion where both are right. Yes, working hard on the things you want to be good at and benefits you is or should be common sense, BUT they way Capullo framed it gives the impression that you should enslave yourself to companies/corporations. He is an employee, he got benefits that the industry was able to give back 30-40 years ago, those are non existing anymore, or highly contented by a worldwide pool of artists who are either better than you or because of their country they can ask for cheaper rates, so working hard for a corporation which won't reward you isn't bad advice either. Work hard 18+ hours a day on the thing that benefits you and rewards you, either your personal stuff or if you want to climb the corporate ladder, as long as it aligns with the way you honestly want to live.
To be fair to The Drinker, when he first released the plushies all the proceeds went to a local greyhound rescue centre run by a lovely old couple whose website looked like 1992 Geocities. They were getting by with the usual fundraising efforts (raffles, sponsored walks etc) for that type of org, then Drinker plopped his huge fundraising dong on the table and blew them away. I don't know if that's still the case, but it was genuinely heartwarming to see.
I realized in my final semester, at 22, what was in that social media post. The best thing I learned from my four years there- go get a real job. I’m glad I did. Most of these guys have wived with real jobs who pay the bills.
Someone needs to explain to Heather Antos, the comic book editor, that consistency matters. As a customer it annoys me when half way through a series of floppies or a trade paperback if the artist, writer, or even the colorist changes. At the end of the day no one is going to remember your series of tweets about the mental health day you just had to take for yourself. We’ll only have the patchwork garbage project you left in your wake.
The moment Capullo gives his honest take on the industry work ethics, he gets flack. Like him or not, he's right. I take it the lesser names or new hires haven't realized they have it easy, at least until they lose their "cushy" jobs. Anyway, I stick with the experienced with wisdom over some immature idiot, EVERYDAY.
Sorry Zack, but as a 22 year old slogging through his 9th semester of college, the amount of 30-40 something adults who thoughtlessly admit to nolifing their way through their careers and insist that that’s what I have to do despite lacking any of the success all that effort is supposed to bring, I’m not convinced. You’re all creating something that your customers buy for entertainment, to escape from the stresses and frustrations of life. So why do you all insist that in order to make comics/movies/video games, you have to be miserable? That you have to work yourselves to death for the empty promise of “success”? Why on God’s earth does the cobbler refuse to make himself shoes? It makes no sense.
There is no guarantee of success or even income in creative fields. There is no demand for new animation, video games, web comics, etc. There's too much supply - so you're competing in an ocean of people who are either trying to get a job or are trying to start their own business. That's why so many people give up on their social life, friends, loved ones - because they have to make their product their life. But like you said - even if you put in all that work there is no guarantee of success at the end of all of it. A lot of it is just who you know and luck.
It's not about success man. It sounds cliche but art is pain. Many artists are compelled to get their work out so it's a choice that you make to be able to continue to get your art out there. Like Zack, he's got so many ideas that sometimes he takes on too many projects. I'm sure he can't help himself because he wants the comics in his head to exist in real life. If we were talking about some stupid passionless job that you're just doing for now sure don't kill yourself but if it's your "calling" as Zack said put in the work.
Artists are people who feel compeled to make art in a way that is detrimental to themselves if they don't. It's just something that they need to do the same way outdoorsy people need to go hike or meatheads need to go do sports. Around 1% of the population is like that and, for them, making art isn't an option, they either do it or flounder completely. Problem is, in modern times where art is distributed so readily and at such large scales that a select few artists get to make all of the money from art. Like Taylor Swift made more money from art than the bottom 80% of singers in the world. There is just too much art around for people to listen and look at so even 1% of the population being artists doesn't make economic sense. That why being an artist is suffering: you have no choice in being one, it's like a curse, and if you want to live off your art you need to devote yourself to it completely and hope you're part of the few that get to not be poor. If that's not you and you don't feel that strongly about your art, please, for your own sake, become an accountant and draw in your spare time.
@@garak55 I know, I feel that fire myself, but I also recognize that passion is blinding artists to the abuse they’re receiving from greedy corporations like Marvel. I can’t count the number of times entire game studios have been layed off right after a successful release just to make their publisher’s stock price look higher. That’s not a “calling” that’s exploitation.
@@lukelandis3090 My only problem with your comment is that you started making your point with Marvel artists and finished it with videogames studios without separating the points and those 2 things aren't one to one. They're both good points separately but definitely aren't the same thing.
When I worked briefly in independent comics there was a miscommunication about a deadline. I thought I had a couple of weeks to pencil and ink the last 10 pages. To my horror I learned I only had 4 days. Thankfully it was a long weekend ( I had a separate part-time job at the time) so I pretty much sat at my drawing desk for 12-15 hours a day for those 3 days. The only way I was able to do it was to do EXTREMELY loose pencils and then ink form there. I made the deadline and all I can say is to make sure you read the email from the writer/creator who hired you VERY carefully. :P
Im normally a "hey, overworking for a corporation that doesnt give a fuck about you is stupid as hell" kind of guy but artists are notoriously fickle creatures. I usually have little sympathy for artists getting chewed out by hardass editors because shit needs to get done. Itll be finished when its finished doesnt put bread on the table and thats why all of these guys are starving.
You’re remembering X-Cutioner’s Song correctly. Jae Lee on X-Factor, Greg Capullo on X-Force. Andy Kubert was on X-Men, but I forget who was drawing Uncanny. Brandon Peterson, maybe? I mostly remember that bit drawn by Jae Lee, where Archangel’s wings kill a bunch of dudes while he’s unconscious. I don’t know if they ever followed up on that story thread, because I outgrew superhero comics in the mid-90s, but at the time, that was badass.
When I was younger, I had a mentor in the comic industry who tried to teach me to put in the work. I was given an amazing opportunity and I failed because I thought I could get through on talent alone. If you’re not willing to put in the hours, you’ll lose out to someone else who will. And there always will be someone who does, whether you like it or not. If you love it, go all in.
I'll listen to the guy that isn't cancer on the comics industry, and has an actual career. My cousin does fifteen hours shifts for Tesla, and has three days where he doesn't work at all, the schedule works for him, could never work for Heather.
Heather "OMG MY REFRIGERATOR QUIT WORKING! i NEED YOU TO GET OVER HERE NOW AND FIX IT!!! RepairWOMAN "Sorry but I only work 4 hours a day 3 days a week. I'm not going kill myself or my spirit for a job!"
Unrelated to the video, Zack I hope you share your views on the Like A Dragon show. I'm curious to hear your outsider perspective since you're not familiar with the game series it's adapting from.
Like a Dragon is amazing brawler / RPG that used to be called Yakuza in the west. It has very unique writing style, although they got rid of the main creator so the new games are kind of bland. I'm actually horrified to even watch trailers of the show because I love the original so much.
Greg, we all like your funny books but feel free to stfu on this one. When an industry requires your every waking moment to be working and STILL does not provide you with essentials like healthcare and vacation time, it's not an industry. It's a pastime for the wealthy. And that's fine. No one ever promised people that making comic books is a viable way to make a living. Lil Greggums was grandfathered into a system that no longer exists and his boomer is showing with this bootstraps talk.
I will say. While Greg's frustration is valid, he could have been slightly more professional about it. Is he going to get any pushback on it? No. As Perch said, he's pretty much a super-talent. Was it the right thing to do? Debatable. While I'm sure FCO might have had a valid reason, as Perch brought up, he still quit the book regardless.
I will say It's easy to draw for 12-15 hours a day, not saying it's easy work, but not the hardest thing in the world lol your not working in the mines lol
For a second I was thinking that you was going to play The Northern boys party time lol. Also it seems like getting matching tattoos is the new cool thing with UA-camrs. Just getting random 💩 tattooed on your body at the same time acting like a person like me. These people are just the opposite of smart to put it nicely.
My Father and his friends smoke cigars when they hang out, they have drinks, sometimes they talk sports, sometimes they talk about the latest action movie. I have never seen them conversating about buying a plushie of another grown man. Shits lightweight 🌈lol!
The best chef I ever worked for was a full on call out type of guy. He’d fucking roast you if you weren’t improving. He made me so much better. I had to throw my ego in the trash and really look at the work I was doing. He made me so much better than I could have been on my own.
Fuck these whiners.
If they don’t like writing so much send me their editors email. I’ll take a shot at writing some comics. I don’t care about the money, I don’t need it. I care about the art of comics and making someone day a bit better because they read my story and didn’t feel like never buying a comic again.
Rare occasion where both are right.
Yes, working hard on the things you want to be good at and benefits you is or should be common sense, BUT they way Capullo framed it gives the impression that you should enslave yourself to companies/corporations.
He is an employee, he got benefits that the industry was able to give back 30-40 years ago, those are non existing anymore, or highly contented by a worldwide pool of artists who are either better than you or because of their country they can ask for cheaper rates, so working hard for a corporation which won't reward you isn't bad advice either.
Work hard 18+ hours a day on the thing that benefits you and rewards you, either your personal stuff or if you want to climb the corporate ladder, as long as it aligns with the way you honestly want to live.
To be fair to The Drinker, when he first released the plushies all the proceeds went to a local greyhound rescue centre run by a lovely old couple whose website looked like 1992 Geocities. They were getting by with the usual fundraising efforts (raffles, sponsored walks etc) for that type of org, then Drinker plopped his huge fundraising dong on the table and blew them away.
I don't know if that's still the case, but it was genuinely heartwarming to see.
I realized in my final semester, at 22, what was in that social media post. The best thing I learned from my four years there- go get a real job. I’m glad I did. Most of these guys have wived with real jobs who pay the bills.
Someone needs to explain to Heather Antos, the comic book editor, that consistency matters. As a customer it annoys me when half way through a series of floppies or a trade paperback if the artist, writer, or even the colorist changes. At the end of the day no one is going to remember your series of tweets about the mental health day you just had to take for yourself. We’ll only have the patchwork garbage project you left in your wake.
When did grown men start talking like 14yo girls? Jesus. Besides that, I'd say Greg did everyone a favour.
Heather can't imagine what it means to be passionate about your work, much less comics.
We all know how Richard Pace feels about work/life balance, since he never delivered on that Kickstarter he kept all the money for.
The moment Capullo gives his honest take on the industry work ethics, he gets flack. Like him or not, he's right. I take it the lesser names or new hires haven't realized they have it easy, at least until they lose their "cushy" jobs.
Anyway, I stick with the experienced with wisdom over some immature idiot, EVERYDAY.
Sorry Zack, but as a 22 year old slogging through his 9th semester of college, the amount of 30-40 something adults who thoughtlessly admit to nolifing their way through their careers and insist that that’s what I have to do despite lacking any of the success all that effort is supposed to bring, I’m not convinced. You’re all creating something that your customers buy for entertainment, to escape from the stresses and frustrations of life. So why do you all insist that in order to make comics/movies/video games, you have to be miserable? That you have to work yourselves to death for the empty promise of “success”? Why on God’s earth does the cobbler refuse to make himself shoes? It makes no sense.
There is no guarantee of success or even income in creative fields. There is no demand for new animation, video games, web comics, etc. There's too much supply - so you're competing in an ocean of people who are either trying to get a job or are trying to start their own business. That's why so many people give up on their social life, friends, loved ones - because they have to make their product their life. But like you said - even if you put in all that work there is no guarantee of success at the end of all of it. A lot of it is just who you know and luck.
It's not about success man. It sounds cliche but art is pain. Many artists are compelled to get their work out so it's a choice that you make to be able to continue to get your art out there. Like Zack, he's got so many ideas that sometimes he takes on too many projects. I'm sure he can't help himself because he wants the comics in his head to exist in real life.
If we were talking about some stupid passionless job that you're just doing for now sure don't kill yourself but if it's your "calling" as Zack said put in the work.
Artists are people who feel compeled to make art in a way that is detrimental to themselves if they don't. It's just something that they need to do the same way outdoorsy people need to go hike or meatheads need to go do sports.
Around 1% of the population is like that and, for them, making art isn't an option, they either do it or flounder completely.
Problem is, in modern times where art is distributed so readily and at such large scales that a select few artists get to make all of the money from art. Like Taylor Swift made more money from art than the bottom 80% of singers in the world. There is just too much art around for people to listen and look at so even 1% of the population being artists doesn't make economic sense.
That why being an artist is suffering: you have no choice in being one, it's like a curse, and if you want to live off your art you need to devote yourself to it completely and hope you're part of the few that get to not be poor.
If that's not you and you don't feel that strongly about your art, please, for your own sake, become an accountant and draw in your spare time.
@@garak55 I know, I feel that fire myself, but I also recognize that passion is blinding artists to the abuse they’re receiving from greedy corporations like Marvel. I can’t count the number of times entire game studios have been layed off right after a successful release just to make their publisher’s stock price look higher. That’s not a “calling” that’s exploitation.
@@lukelandis3090 My only problem with your comment is that you started making your point with Marvel artists and finished it with videogames studios without separating the points and those 2 things aren't one to one. They're both good points separately but definitely aren't the same thing.
There is no way Heather Antos is doing 14hrs shifts loll
Oh look, seems like heather is describing dairy farming.🤨🤔🐮🐮🐮
When I worked briefly in independent comics there was a miscommunication about a deadline. I thought I had a couple of weeks to pencil and ink the last 10 pages. To my horror I learned I only had 4 days. Thankfully it was a long weekend ( I had a separate part-time job at the time) so I pretty much sat at my drawing desk for 12-15 hours a day for those 3 days. The only way I was able to do it was to do EXTREMELY loose pencils and then ink form there. I made the deadline and all I can say is to make sure you read the email from the writer/creator who hired you VERY carefully. :P
Im normally a "hey, overworking for a corporation that doesnt give a fuck about you is stupid as hell" kind of guy but artists are notoriously fickle creatures. I usually have little sympathy for artists getting chewed out by hardass editors because shit needs to get done. Itll be finished when its finished doesnt put bread on the table and thats why all of these guys are starving.
You’re remembering X-Cutioner’s Song correctly. Jae Lee on X-Factor, Greg Capullo on X-Force. Andy Kubert was on X-Men, but I forget who was drawing Uncanny. Brandon Peterson, maybe? I mostly remember that bit drawn by Jae Lee, where Archangel’s wings kill a bunch of dudes while he’s unconscious. I don’t know if they ever followed up on that story thread, because I outgrew superhero comics in the mid-90s, but at the time, that was badass.
When I was younger, I had a mentor in the comic industry who tried to teach me to put in the work. I was given an amazing opportunity and I failed because I thought I could get through on talent alone. If you’re not willing to put in the hours, you’ll lose out to someone else who will. And there always will be someone who does, whether you like it or not. If you love it, go all in.
Finally got caught up with these videos. Now what am I gonna listen to?
I'll listen to the guy that isn't cancer on the comics industry, and has an actual career. My cousin does fifteen hours shifts for Tesla, and has three days where he doesn't work at all, the schedule works for him, could never work for Heather.
That is a rough 57. He has seen some shit.
I just subscribed to Pete & Bas' channel, thank you!
If Like a Dragon is anything close to the source material you're in for a TREAT (you'd love the game it's chill but immensely fun and rewarding)
Heather "OMG MY REFRIGERATOR QUIT WORKING! i NEED YOU TO GET OVER HERE NOW AND FIX IT!!!
RepairWOMAN "Sorry but I only work 4 hours a day 3 days a week. I'm not going kill myself or my spirit for a job!"
Unrelated to the video, Zack I hope you share your views on the Like A Dragon show. I'm curious to hear your outsider perspective since you're not familiar with the game series it's adapting from.
Damn, Richard Pace, now there's a name I haven't heard or remembered in a while.
What's wrong with relying on your wife financially? Weird take.
"Me-ouch."
Stop. :|
Pete and Bas are awesome! Novelty or not.
I like how all the artists we've heard of put in the long hours of work. The one's we've never heard of complain about 20 min work days.
Like a Dragon is amazing brawler / RPG that used to be called Yakuza in the west. It has very unique writing style, although they got rid of the main creator so the new games are kind of bland. I'm actually horrified to even watch trailers of the show because I love the original so much.
With respect. Legends as they are, Pete and Bas ain't shit when compared to "The Northern Boys"
I thought Like A Dragon was pretty good.
Put some respect on Pete and Bas' name.
Good. Another person bumpin' Pete & Bas
Greg, we all like your funny books but feel free to stfu on this one. When an industry requires your every waking moment to be working and STILL does not provide you with essentials like healthcare and vacation time, it's not an industry. It's a pastime for the wealthy. And that's fine. No one ever promised people that making comic books is a viable way to make a living. Lil Greggums was grandfathered into a system that no longer exists and his boomer is showing with this bootstraps talk.
I will say. While Greg's frustration is valid, he could have been slightly more professional about it.
Is he going to get any pushback on it? No. As Perch said, he's pretty much a super-talent.
Was it the right thing to do? Debatable. While I'm sure FCO might have had a valid reason, as Perch brought up, he still quit the book regardless.
I will say It's easy to draw for 12-15 hours a day, not saying it's easy work, but not the hardest thing in the world lol your not working in the mines lol
😂😂😂😂
Lazy, no-talent "creator": "Don't work hard. Screw deadlines."
Also lazy, no-talent "creator": "Don't use AI."
For a second I was thinking that you was going to play The Northern boys party time lol.
Also it seems like getting matching tattoos is the new cool thing with UA-camrs. Just getting random 💩 tattooed on your body at the same time acting like a person like me. These people are just the opposite of smart to put it nicely.
Glad your back to liking Brits!
Only old white Brits who do Geezer Rap.
Capullo is cool
My Father and his friends smoke cigars when they hang out, they have drinks, sometimes they talk sports, sometimes they talk about the latest action movie. I have never seen them conversating about buying a plushie of another grown man. Shits lightweight 🌈lol!