Olympics of Rust Removal
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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Imparting wisdom is not boring to me, thanks for taking the time to make these because I watch them all the way through
slaznum1 as do I and certainly more than just us. Mrpete222 don't dumb it down for the slowest learner, they can watch a few more times and catch up later.
slaznum1, Nice comment. I feel the same way. I stumbled across one video and I am on the start to a binge watch! His voice is great and I like it when he goes off on a tangent. He keeps it interesting and makes the video so easy to watch and listen too. That's the reason I subscribed. I want to see all his videos!
Don't change the format Mr. Pete, we love it. And I fully expect to be watching your videos a decade from now! Best wishes. Mike. P.S. Great that you are going to see Abom!
Thank you for watching.
..you're the guy that every DYI'er wants to have living next door. You've taught me a lot even from my armchair in the frozen tundra of Alaska.
This guy needs to run for President.
Your videos are never too long. The information is very comprehensive. Keep it up. Regards from Idaho, the Gem State, to Illinois, the Land of Lincoln.
Thanks
I did a search and found the following, thought you'd like to know:
"The active ingredient in Naval Jelly is Phosphoric Acid. Naval Jelly is a rather expensive way to buy Phosphoric Acid. Home Depot sells a product intended to remove rust stains from concrete which is Phosphoric Acid. It comes in one-gallon plastic jugs."
i learn more here than i do in school. You make high school look like a joke, literally. Wish you we had a teacher like you!
Thank you for watching.
My ocd got the better of me. I had to come down from X 2 speed and adapt to a whole new experience. Been watching his channel for almost 3 years now. So he better not leave us any time soon. The loss of a person you have on your computer is as big as the loss of a family member. I was a fan of diesel tech Ron and still miss him even though I never met the man. So sincerely hope that Mr. Pete will be around and keep us company in my kitchen for many more years to come.......
I keep waiting for you to go off on a tangent about Betty Crocker! I finally looked it up myself.lol Speaking only for myself I like your tangents and rants and humor. I too lament loss of freedoms. Freedom is not free! We must work for it or at least support those on that are.
Cleaning the electrodes will ensure the electrolysis process is working at full potential. Thanks for your efforts in teaching those of us who follow your channel. You really do a great job, I've learned at lot. Be happy I'm not your neighbor I'd be over there all the time.
Hate to tell ya this, but the last person to tell me they only had a few years to live around your age, is still here and living alone at 104 yoa.
Well said. I know hes just being flip and maybe he thinks even realistic but I wish he would stop talking like that. He would be so missed in the YT community and certainly by his family and grandson. You have a great many admirers here Mr. Pete and speaking for myself I hold a healthy respect for whats been called the greatest generation in this country. So unless you know something we don't I think you'll be here for a long time.
You never know
Well sir that's always true now isn't it-? lol Whatever the case we all hope for you to be with us for a long long time. Thanks for the free trip to the Olympics- :^)
Enjoy your videos. Have tried various rust removers myself. I have recently bought a jar of strong pickled onions. After finishing the onions, I used the liquid to derust a pair of pliers (overnight submerged it for 8 hours). I was amazed at the result. Washes off under the tap. Do you think it was the effect of the onions with the vinegar that did the trick. Please try it. Kind regards. Lignator Jack from the UK.
Completely agree with your thoughts on freedom lost. I'm surprised you didn't do a batch with Coca Cola, but I think in some states you need to show ID when purchasing large sodas these days, so I guess I can understand why you didn't. :-)
Yes! Coca Cola.. Carbonic and Phosphoric acid... back in the day when the druggist would make the sodas at the counter, they added a drop or two of phosphoric acid from a glass bottle to add an extra immediate bite to the carbonic acid's slower to develop zing from the carbonated water that was added to the soda's syrup cup... Before being able to buy ready made CO2 canisters cheaply, they'd make their own CO2 gas and pressurize it in the water right near the soda counter... then again... welder's used to make their own Acetylene gas on demand as needed from calcium carbide granules onsite right in the welding machine before being able to buy it in canisters as well..
ahhh, the good old days....when boys had to be men and food additives were a matter of choice and explosions were just unregulated wholesome fun!
Thanks for teaching and don't apologize for how you do it. me and my family enjoy your video's very much.
Great video. 30 minutes or so is a perfect video length. Thanks
So glad I subscribed to your channel some time ago because I've learned much and had a few good chuckles along the way, i.e.: "I enjoy odors - good ones"! Thanks for teaching the way you do... I look forward to many more videos from mrpete22!
Thank you for watching.
Tubelcain, you're going to have to wait until I at least graduate college before you even thinking about kicking the bucket. I need all of the wisdom you can offer as both my Grandpas have passed and I've now only got my Dad to learn from.
I just used a vinegar and salt mixture to remove rust on some parts of a craftsman bandsaw. I'm not sure if the salt did any good (I was just following some instructions online) but the vinegar sure did. 48 hours later I was able to wipe off all of the rust on the parts. Unfortunately, I wasn't aware of flash rusting so I left the parts sitting in a pan for a few days and they covered with a film of rust again. Some steel wool took care of that though.
i love this chanel and that old teacher
Thanks for watching
Great series, very education and in depth for the beginner and intermittent skilled students exploring preservation and history. The how to save and restore items of value to you but beyond what it you can afford professionally, is greatly appreciated. the side by side scientific method broken down to everyday terms will help many people save their tolls from their grandfathers & grandmothers.
Thank you
Tubalcain mentions blackening of items left in the Electrolysis tank, describing it as "Carbon from the carbon steel". I suspect it is more likely carbon from the electrolyte: Sodium Carbonate breaks down during the electrolysis, releasing carbon from the carbonate. There are several parallel reactions taking place as a result of the electrical charge. The Sodium Carbonate breaks down as one of them; Hydrogen and Oxygen are released from water, and the iron (or steel) and its' corrosion products are also transferred, as shown, from the cathode to the anode, and may also be chemicals in electrically-driven reactions.
Apart from that, I loved tubalcain's delightful, laconic style. He reminded me of science teachers of my school days... crossed with James Stewart, perhaps? Like a good teacher, he makes science interesting, and we come away having learned things painlessly! Thank You!
definetly a James Stewart sound to him.
chemicals are the basis of western civilization! personally though i have been using electrolysis every since i found out about it when i was a kid. copper rod to suspend the work using steel wire to hold the work up and aluminum for the ground electrode. magnesium sulfate for the electrolyte solution. it was neat to see that molasses can be used for something else besides making rum though ;-) .
waiting to see the end results.....
thanks for the olympic show!
=dok=
Old bandsawblades split and coiled around in the bucket make great anodes for rust removal. thanks for the fun series. cheers.
Mr. Pete, other than maybe the Melon-Head, no one turns off your videos.
Interesting, I didn't know anyone still used a poison register.
Great experiment. Vinegar is amazing stuff. The electrolysis is great also. I did my own rust removal on a bunch of tools, clamps etc las year after watching your previous video on electrolysis. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Don't know if you are aware, Adam Booth gave you a nice shout out on his program yesterday.
Enjoy your vacation!
Rollie
Saw it-thanks
A lot of good comments related to that too; good thing Mr. Pete is a humble man, otherwise his head would swell up. :)
Mrpete222, I wish I had seen this last year, I had a large sprocket (24" X 5/8") covered in rust, that I was going to use as vise stand table top.
I eventually used EvapoRust, which did pretty good, I had to use a water heater drain pan to soak it in.
After rinsing it off, I allowed it to drip-dry and "flash rust" already started to form.
Great video, and keep up the good works
I have been using evaporust for years and it works really well. It is expensive but you can reuse it by filtering out the debris and pouring back into the can. You can also immerse assemblies to de-rust parts without harming other parts. I purchased a gallon a few years ago and use it a lot, still half of it left.
Hey Mr. Pete, phosphoric acid (active agent of naval jelly) is available in liquid form in gallon jugs at farm supply stores, sold in the dairyman's section as Milkstone Remover. Thanks for all the videos!
I get mine free cheap as a coffee machine clean up from cleaning supplies, works a treat.
Hi Mr Pete, great video! We make a water based rust remover that is acid free called Metal Rescue Rust Remover Bath. It isn't sticky and works fast. It's not an acid which makes it safe on paint, rubber, plastic, wood, and to the touch! It removes only the rust that's it! We would love to send you some to try out! Keep up the good work with the videos!
Hi--Thanks, yes, send me some of your METAL RESCUE. I do not want my address here. Please go to this video to get my name & address.
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Great, we will. Thank you Mr Pete!
I will be looking forward to Part 3
looking forward to part 3, that evaporust seems pretty impressive considering how neutral it is. some kind of dark magic going on there.
Looking forward to No3! Important to know about hydrogen embrittlement of spring steel if you use electrolysis. Try cleaning rust off a coiled clock mainspring, and watch it shatter! The surface rust will start a small stress fracture, and hydrogen will do the rest.
Great video, interesting results. I'm trying to figure out how to make citric acid gel, I need something cheap and environmentally friendly rust remover. BTW, the reason I think the hydrochloric acid is being tracked is because it's one of the reagents used in Sarin production rather than explosives.
for the first bucket - wire contact might be a factor. But also the placement of that leftmost wrench. Current goes through your bucket via least path of resistance, straight line shortest path from one electrode to another. So the center wrench gets most current and the outer-most the least. Hence least fizz on it.
Completely agree on freedoms lost. I don't know what bad things muriatic acid could be used for. I don't do any of that and if someone out there does, that should not infringe on my freedom to buy some acid.
Mr. Pete its only thanks to you im getting too see the Olympics for the first time in my 57 years-! Not costing me a thing, I didn't have to travel and im certain there will be no terrorists - ! lol
Thanks for sharing sir...
Thanks for watching
Shame on You DO Not wish your life away you will be here until the good Lord has space for you and needs you back home.. until then you have the job as our shop teacher and keep up the great work you were put here for...
Capt1331 AMEN!
You pulled out the Muriatic acid lastly on the side, which I have found to be the fastest most trouble free so far. One just need to be fully awake when your using it.
This series is really fun! Thanks for sharing. Daniel
I'm curious to see how the Naval Jelly works. I recall as a kid my dad always had a glass jar of Naval Jelly on the shelf in the garage. If I remember correctly, it was pinkish in color too, but very runny.
Intriguing progress.
Hi, interesting; used only the electrolytic method myself. (That + a phosphoric acid soln. which leaves a rust preventative coating, excellent for painting -or oiling. For thick layers of rust, I'd use the electrolysis method first.)
A few quick comments, without going into details:
1) the black stuff that remained on your chisels is an iron oxide compound. (not rust)
2) Your industrial goody contains citric acid (AKA: "longer chemical name" as per its data sheet) + the chelating agent: sodium gluconate
3) Your "expensive" yellow fluid from the first "Olympics" vid contains only a certain chelating agent -may have been a different one from in (2).
BTW, I have been an admirer of yours for many years. Sir, you are a legend! Finding recently that you made youtube vids is fantastic. That you now still make them, in 2017 fills me with awe.
Adding a bit of detergent will reduce surface tension to allow penetration of water based chemicals as well as dissolving some grease and oil.
I'm with you on the freedom talk!
great comparisons,thanks for showing
mrpete222 really hates rust great video love the pace of it all.
Regarding the “industrial rust eliminator”: 2-Hydroxypropane-1,2,3-tricarboxylic acid is citric acid. Not mentioning this on the package is deceptive. It’s like filling up a bottle with water, slapping on ‘dihydrogen monoxide’ as a label and then selling it as the ultimate solvent…
Muriatic acid is commonly used in swimming pools. I used to buy it at Fry's all the time when I had my inground back in AZ.
Nice video, thank you. Looking forward to see the results. Agree completely about your freedoms lost remark!
In the 80s gettig hydrochloric acid wasn´t a problem.
Had some with 37-39% (guess it doesn´t get stronger than 41% anyway).
Eats rust pretty fast, but you have to be careful not to leave steel in it too long, as it eats that away too.
It often starts a little slow, so if in a hurry, a tiny piece of zinc or aluminium thrown in kickstarts the rust removal immediately (free zinc or al ions are probably in desperate need of oxygen, so the rust is targeted instantly)
Big drawback of HCl: The emitted vapours are corrosive as hell, every metal surface in the vicinity develops corrosion, so it´s just to be used outside.
It gave me a few good laughs when you kept sniffing everything.
Hi Mr Peter I note with your electro cleaning setup your parts are connected to the negative thus know as cathodic cleaning most commercial setups would use anodic cleaning were the parts to be cleaned are connected to the positive, how about changing the connection over and tell us what difference it does make !
Also I agree with others you cannot die for many more years 😎
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Did you happen to notice the difference in color between the fresh Navel jelly, and the stuff that had been working a while. I am curious is that means rust is coming of the parts or just from reacting to the air. Probably means nothing, but caught my eye.
When you are done with the vinegar you can add a half cup of Epson salts and use it as a weed/grass killer.
Lyle, at about 14 minutes, you just showed the first
variable voltage device.
2 pieces of metal, in an electrolyte.
steve
mr. pete, why didnt you include sulferic acid? the stuff at the auto parts store is abou $12 for a 30% solution half gallon container. works great with a current or a heated vessel. of course....its an outside on a windy day project
Great video! Be careful putting the tongs from one container to the other, we don't want any possible reactions to harm you!
Muriatic acid. years ago i bought some and was going to clean an old ford flathead carburator with it. i dumped it in a coffee can and put the carb in. I wound up with three of the cleanest carb screws you ever seen. DAMN STUFF ATE THAT CARB.
I have had good results with the hydrochloric acid for rust removal. The local hardware store also sold a version of it called acid magic which worked equally as well but was much safer especially when it came in contact with your skin. I would be very interested in seeing a PH tester used to read the PH levels in all these acids perhaps several of these have the same PH level and therefore will work equally as well at at which point the winner would be the cheapest one in price.
Oddly I want ice cream after watching this video:-) :-) :-) cool stuff
I believe phosphoric acid is contained in dark colas/sodas so maybe that's the active ingredient in both naval jelly and Coca-Cola rust removal? It's also good at dissolving calcium in teeth and bones!
I love that ice cream!
I'm looking forward to the results video, more than i'd like to admit.
Muriatic acid works great but as you said is very dangerous as is any concentrated chemical! The process of diluting acid is a chemical reaction which releases lots of heat, so much that if you add water or other reactants, the water can almost instantly boil and blow the scalding, corrosive contents of your container into your face, burning or eating your face and eyeballs depending on the temperature and concentration.
Body shops use a solution called metal prep that dissolves rust and leaves a phosphate coating as a paint primer on the surface.
Keeping a solution of baking soda around to neutralize acid spills is a good idea, but it reacts more strongly than pure water with concentrated acid.
Using electrolysis is likely the safest method of derusting as long as the hydrogen bubbles are not allowed to accumulate and explode. Powerful chemicals and powerful machines are all dangerous when used improperly.
One more experiment please. Can you mix ALL of them together at the end and try that!
Greeting Mr. Pete. Great video as always. The way that I see it, is that molasses is great for "seasonal" cleaning as it takes one season to de-rust items but is that not good enough for items that you use only in the summer (fishing/boat gear) or only in the winter?
When I was a kid we used gallons up on gallons of muratic acid to clean scale off my dad's concrete trucks. Nasty stuff but it cut the concrete pretty well.
Interesting. As far as the Ford band adjusting wrench I am sure those were painted
black as well as the rest of the tool set. Just showing my age when vehicles came with a tool kit in the trunk. Now its called >call the tow co.
I love the smell of Tap Magic
Muriatic acid is one of the ingredients used in meth production. Many places record purchases of the precursors of meth in an attempt to ID those producing it. I deal with it when I need to purchase Acetone for my restoration business.
a link to the industrial rust eliminator would have helped. I've tried three times and no good.
The longer your videos and the more you talk the better!! The ADD people can watch pewdiepie.
I have had good results with phosphoric acid, which can be purchased in gallons, sold as a tile cleaner. Its in liquid form unlike naval jelly and much cheaper.
POR-15, makes, a grreat, water dilute, cleaner-degreaser, and "metal prep" etching primer, which leaves a, nice zinc finish, primed surface, that doesn't surface rust, when kept dry, till paint.
I noticed that you used white vinegar but could you use apple cider vinegar?
damn you were halfway to rum when you threw that molasses out
Don't forget a control, you should just put some in tap water or distilled water as well.
i wonder if it would make a difference under UV light
If you clean the positive electrodes daily you will get higher current flow
The build-up of rust acts as an insulator and slows the process considerably
The Citric acid will eat away the metal if left for a long time
SEM has a product called Rust-Mort that is phosphoric acid. Works pretty well.
Keep it away from aluminum though! At least, any that you care to keep around.
Rust Mort doesn't remove rust, it converts it to a stable solid suitable for applying coatings.....
Ospho which uses phosphoric acid to convert rust to iron oxide which is black in color may what you are seeing on the wrenches.
...as the competitors round the far side of the track it's difficult to see a clear leader. Well Mellon-Head, there must be some doping involved.
Muriatic is not just a mild form of Hydrochloric acid. They are exactly the same chemical.
thanks mr pete
that muriatic is a strong version of hydrochloric at 30% by weight... should be worked with under an air flow hood...I used it to strip some aluminum from a cast iron crankshaft rod journal... super fast and nasty... We used heated sulfuric acid (120F) to remove rust from high carbon wire (1070) rod prior to wire drawing back in my wire rope days...
Also note that hydrochloric acid fumes will start to rust any steel item in it's vicinity. I had some in a sealed but previously opened plastic bottle cause rust on the steel shelf it was sitting on in a matter of a few weeks.
MR Pete222 i have used muriatic acid 50% and 50% water will remove rust but the best it removes mill scale that is hard to sand off but like you said it is only for experience and common sense and can be very dangerous great video i prefer white vinegar just takes a little longer but safe Duane
Thanks
THANKS
i would like to try the white vinegar with a battery charger and see the results
well done @mrpete
it's a sad state of affairs how our rights are being trampled on because of the actions of some other bad apples. I agree with you 100 percent, it irritates me how honest people must pay the price of other people's actions
Cool side by side comparison
Would have been neat to see HCL in the mix too. it would have done the job before you got to set up the last container.
Based on what I know HCL is not really a major ingredient in most explosives. Nitric acid is the one that's really hard to source in most countries, followed by Sulphuric acid. quite difficult to source them even in small amounts. both are quite handy in the shop too.
If I were to make a guess, HCL is mainly controlled as side ingredient in making of drugs. I can still buy it in large containers off hardware stores where I live for fairly cheap. sadly there was talks of pulling acetone off the shelves recently (explosives related). shame to lose access to a lot of useful ingredients because of a bunch of assholes and the nanny state.
thanks for sharing experience
hope you a long happy life
*Anything that is smelly I put the lid on it!* LMAO
muriatic acid is a common etching acid for blacksmiths.
muriatic acid is used in the food industry, for making some plastics & a ton of other things. It's in all of us too, in our stomach... we produce it. I don't remember signing a government record for it...
before natural sources of different gases were understood, explorers would make "odor maps" for today what might be a natural gas deposit, etc.
Wouldn't it be a good idea to agitate the solutions to promote rust removal?
Lyle after this need know how to keep it off
just oil it
In fact the best way to keep rust from forming (that I know of) is ACF50. It's a type of oily substance so doesn't fully dry even on my motorbike in all weathers through an awful British winter but it does a great job of keeping the rust away. Make sure to fully shake the bottle really well before application and use a small artist type brush. It seems quite expensive but 1 bottle will last a lifetime, don't bother with the aerosol cans.
Lol I don't think of that ,lol people
loctite rust dissolver is 1/4 phosphoric acid, 5%Isopropyl alcohol, 5%, Xanthan gum, water & dye
Thanks
I am surprised about you being ID'ed to buy muriatic acid, you can buy it anywhere here in New Hampshire, Lowes, HD, etc with no ID,
We do use it all the time to remove scale from hot rolled metal, Thats what pickling metal is. We use it in prep for poweder coating.
Not to complain at all about your in depth test of rust removal processes but I would have liked to see you compare the muriatic acid to the others because it is fast.
I'll be interested to see what happens with the Naval Jelly - phosphoric acid is the only thing I have tried: not a very nice smell, but perhaps they put something in the Naval Jelly to mitigate that. I see the instructions for Naval Jelly are very clear 'no more than 15 minutes', so MrPete has well and truly ignored all that. What I found with phosphoric acid is that leaving it long enough to eliminate the rust ruined the surface of the steel, as the rust is never of even thickness. So a pretty useless product unless it's
just some rough implement that you don't care about, but then you could just brush that anyway couldn't you?
thisnicklldo Usually only brush the naval jelly on, not soak in it so I look forward to seeing the results!
Hydrochloric acid is easily bought at swimming pool shops .