Actually, putting a box fan as an 'exhaust fan' on top of one of the hatches will work wonders for keeping the fumes and dust down. This is a great video. I really do NOT look forward to replacing the headliner in my boat, but when it needs to be done, it will definitely be easier with help from this sailrite video.
Well done video overall, I found it quite informative thank you. I am surprised at the lack of breathing and eye protection during the sanding and scraping though, and no doubt the glue spray is bad for your lungs. And the use of silicone on the genoa track with no surface preparation is not good; silicone should not be used on boats unless it is needed to bond certain types of plastic that call for it specifically.
Silicone and no chamfered or counter sunk holes will cause core rot, a lot harder to fix than new head liner. But the replacing of the head liner was very informative.
great video for installing this stuff! We have this on the sides of our hull and want to renew it. the problem is we also have ports in the hull (morgan out island) How do you trim around the ports so that you have a finished edge?
Pierre Mitham Hopefully the ports have a trim that can be unscrewed and the headliner edge can be hidden under the trim. If not a clean cut edge with a brand new razor is the only other suggestion I have.
Yes, but even the foam backed headliner may show inconsistencies on the wall. If the roughness is consistent, it will not be a big deal, but if is random, it may show up. Carpet style headliner hides more than foam back headliner.
once the bolts go in, did they say they put silicone under the head to stop water getting in via the bolts? Glad i saw this as i have been wanting to do this.
+Terry Peake At the time this video was recorded we may have used Marine Silicone under the bolt head, but we now recommend using Butyl Tape: www.sailrite.com/Trimmable-Butyl-Tape-3-4
+Ricardo Amaro I think it (perforated vinyl over foam) is simply a desired look over the vinyl headliner with foam that does not have the perforated holes. However, some believe that it provides better breathability, if it gets wet.
I need to replace a cabin headlining and there are lots of curves and quite large. Does the headling stretch and how long do you have to maneuver the healing into place before the glue dries. I made a new main cabin mattress and the foam glue seemed to dry quite quickly so am worried I would not have enough time to place it correctly before it dried? I also have 2 portholes in the cabin?
The vinyl headliner with foam backing is not very shape conforming (it will not stretch much at all). You may want to consider HullBlanket Headliner Hull Liner instead it is more shape conforming. www.sailrite.com/Marine-Fabric-Use/Headliners--AND--Hull-Liners/type/Products?keywords=carpet%20style%20headliner Using 3M General Trim Adhesive you have about 15-20 minutes to apply the headliner, if it dries too quickly and your application is not yet in place simply apply more glue to the area that has not yet been adhered and keep going.
Jim and I did use a vinyl headliner with a foam backing in our head which does have a shower. We think that the perforated vinyl headliner with foam would work also. Hopefully, no one will blast the headline with water and thus soak the foam, but we do not think moisture will be much of an issue.
I would advise against any covered foam in a wet head. I would only apply it directly to the ceiling. When, (not if) the foam gets damp or even full on wet, it is very hard to get it to dry. It will mold and then you will be back to square one. if you have a large vessel with a separate shower in the head, the rest of the head should be safe as long as you use proper ventilation. I understand that this is an old thread but I also know it will still be seen, and hopefully it helps someone. Shipwright / Marine carpenter/ 50m Yacht builder
I have use it on brand new 45 million dollar yachts, fishing vessels, Coast Guard, and Naval vessels, and so many other boats. and it does hold. You didn't use a quality commercial spray. and wtf is gun glue? hot glue? calk gun ? We spray contact cement out of a gun, so I dont know that you are even sure of what your talking about.
recently removed all the headlining out my jeanneau, i used polycarbide abrasive discs on the GRP to remove all old glue and foam (they dont damage the giberglass but creat loads of dust). BUT i used goggles, gloves and mask (not a dust mask more a chemical type mask), occasionally i dont use a mask when drilling the boats fiberglass or laying fiberglass but shocked in the video they arent using a mask to remove the old carcinogenic headlining or spray adhesive. WT-F
@@SailriteDIY You should edit the video to reflect that. Silicone and no chamfered or counter sunk holes will cause core rot, a lot harder to fix than new head liner.
As a shipwright / marine finish carpenter. We use commercial grade Contact cement in large propane like tanks with what looks like a spray paint gun and hose. The only thing that I would do different and maybe because the yachts we build are high end vessels, but always protect everything around before spraying. you cannot remove glue from many types of material, and some materials will stain if remover is applied and rubbed. Be proactive and save yourself or your customers money and time. aside from that Sailright is a great product, I use it on my own sailboat, and I recommend it. I forgot to also mention that the contact cement is very harmful to you, and extremely flammable, so keep it of your skin, wear a respirator, and ventilate the cabin during the process to avoid a potentially explosive situation.
This is easy, please show us a molded fiberglass headliner that needs 2 or 3 roles stitched together in order to be wide enough. Show us the best way to form around corners.
I liked Your video on the head liner. I see below most comments were about not using some sort of safety this and safety that. Is Sailrite selling such things as Safety Masks, Industrial blowers Hard hats Gloves with orange rubber coloring? If not You should think about it. I know I opened a can of worms, Thank You.
It's much better to mask up all wood and good trim and there should be a extraction fan for the volatile spray fumes especially if there is a shore power lead connected with the battery charger on you should ware a mask buddy. That glue will make you see double? Auto marine boat services chichester UK
Aside from some questionable health/safety issues depicted, I would think there might be better solutions to installing this type of headliner, keeping in mind I'm not a professional at doing so. You can try masking the areas where you don't want adhesive so that you don't have to waste brain cells, time & materials cleaning up solvent-laden glue with more solvent. You could also try rolling up the material and applying glue to only the first 12". Then align the piece without trying to press the entire section into place at once which is somewhat haphazard. Spray a small section at a time, unrolling the vinyl as you go, keeping in mind the necessary wait time before unrolling. Another method is to do it all outside of the boat on a thin backing such as plywood. If too large to fit through the companionway, it can be done in smaller sections trimming the edges with teak or similar.
Thank goodness for all your vids, don't know what I would do with out them ...Thank you so very much for doing all your project vids.
We are glad you like them, Thanks!!!
I really enjoy your videos! Music fits and narrator has just the right voice.
Thank you so much for doing this video. This is a project I am dreading.
a trick: you can watch movies on Flixzone. Me and my gf have been using them for watching all kinds of movies during the lockdown.
I'm Holding My Breath as I watch Your Video....STILL HOLDING IT!!!!....TFS
Thank you for making this video. It's very informative!
roddraym You are welcome!
Actually, putting a box fan as an 'exhaust fan' on top of one of the hatches will work wonders for keeping the fumes and dust down. This is a great video. I really do NOT look forward to replacing the headliner in my boat, but when it needs to be done, it will definitely be easier with help from this sailrite video.
Thanks for the clip.It heleped me a lot because i have so do some truck trimmings.
Hmmm ... does the tuck tool work for men's shirts? :D
Usually a high quality contact cement is used at the factory.
Perforated vs non-perforated is just a style, so both are almost equal. Some say the perforated may breath better.
What is best for covering the hull in the cabin?
set up a blower blowing air out the door then open some hatches. Nice videos, i watched a lot of your videos,
You are correct, he should wear a mask.
...and gloves; especially with those solvents!
Well done video overall, I found it quite informative thank you. I am surprised at the lack of breathing and eye protection during the sanding and scraping though, and no doubt the glue spray is bad for your lungs. And the use of silicone on the genoa track with no surface preparation is not good; silicone should not be used on boats unless it is needed to bond certain types of plastic that call for it specifically.
Silicone and no chamfered or counter sunk holes will cause core rot, a lot harder to fix than new head liner.
But the replacing of the head liner was very informative.
This is a very interesting video. Thank you for your work!
great video for installing this stuff! We have this on the sides of our hull and want to renew it. the problem is we also have ports in the hull (morgan out island) How do you trim around the ports so that you have a finished edge?
Pierre Mitham Hopefully the ports have a trim that can be unscrewed and the headliner edge can be hidden under the trim. If not a clean cut edge with a brand new razor is the only other suggestion I have.
Pierre Mitham
Yes, you are correct silicone is not the best bedding application. Instead use Trimmable Butyl Tape: www.sailrite.com/Trimmable-Butyl-Tape-3-4
How were the lights fastened?
Can the headliner material be used on the hull? Will the roughness of the fiberglass show through?
Yes, but even the foam backed headliner may show inconsistencies on the wall. If the roughness is consistent, it will not be a big deal, but if is random, it may show up. Carpet style headliner hides more than foam back headliner.
once the bolts go in, did they say they put silicone under the head to stop water getting in via the bolts? Glad i saw this as i have been wanting to do this.
+Terry Peake At the time this video was recorded we may have used Marine Silicone under the bolt head, but we now recommend using Butyl Tape: www.sailrite.com/Trimmable-Butyl-Tape-3-4
what are the advantages of using a perforated headliner? Or it is only a question of decor?
Thanks
+Ricardo Amaro I think it (perforated vinyl over foam) is simply a desired look over the vinyl headliner with foam that does not have the perforated holes. However, some believe that it provides better breathability, if it gets wet.
+Sailrite Thanks for your kind reply
Any idea how to do make clean corners in foam boats? No screws allowed.
I need to replace a cabin headlining and there are lots of curves and quite large. Does the headling stretch and how long do you have to maneuver the healing into place before the glue dries. I made a new main cabin mattress and the foam glue seemed to dry quite quickly so am worried I would not have enough time to place it correctly before it dried? I also have 2 portholes in the cabin?
The vinyl headliner with foam backing is not very shape conforming (it will not stretch much at all). You may want to consider HullBlanket Headliner Hull Liner instead it is more shape conforming. www.sailrite.com/Marine-Fabric-Use/Headliners--AND--Hull-Liners/type/Products?keywords=carpet%20style%20headliner
Using 3M General Trim Adhesive you have about 15-20 minutes to apply the headliner, if it dries too quickly and your application is not yet in place simply apply more glue to the area that has not yet been adhered and keep going.
Thanks!!! This video help us
Would you use this same material for lining the ceiling of a head/shower room?
Jim and I did use a vinyl headliner with a foam backing in our head which does have a shower. We think that the perforated vinyl headliner with foam would work also. Hopefully, no one will blast the headline with water and thus soak the foam, but we do not think moisture will be much of an issue.
I would advise against any covered foam in a wet head. I would only apply it directly to the ceiling. When, (not if) the foam gets damp or even full on wet, it is very hard to get it to dry. It will mold and then you will be back to square one. if you have a large vessel with a separate shower in the head, the rest of the head should be safe as long as you use proper ventilation.
I understand that this is an old thread but I also know it will still be seen, and hopefully it helps someone.
Shipwright / Marine carpenter/ 50m Yacht builder
I used the spray glue on my foam walls insulation it doesn't hold.I switch it to gun glue perfect now!
I have use it on brand new 45 million dollar yachts, fishing vessels, Coast Guard, and Naval vessels, and so many other boats. and it does hold. You didn't use a quality commercial spray. and wtf is gun glue? hot glue? calk gun ? We spray contact cement out of a gun, so I dont know that you are even sure of what your talking about.
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recently removed all the headlining out my jeanneau, i used polycarbide abrasive discs on the GRP to remove all old glue and foam (they dont damage the giberglass but creat loads of dust). BUT i used goggles, gloves and mask (not a dust mask more a chemical type mask), occasionally i dont use a mask when drilling the boats fiberglass or laying fiberglass but shocked in the video they arent using a mask to remove the old carcinogenic headlining or spray adhesive. WT-F
also steel should be 316, or A4 (think A2 rated steel is fine for internal)
Who choose perforated or non-perforated headliner?
Why did they use silicon sealant instead of butyl tape for the track?
+hoverjocki At the time of this video we did not have butyl tape, we should have used butyl tape instead to seal the track.
Thanks for the reply
+Sailrite could I use butyl tape to reinstall outside wood fixtures too?
+hoverjocki Yes, we used Butyl tape to secure our wooden grab rails on the Islander 37.
@@SailriteDIY You should edit the video to reflect that. Silicone and no chamfered or counter sunk holes will cause core rot, a lot harder to fix than new head liner.
Do they use Polyester resin to glue headliners, carpet, etc at the factory?
As a shipwright / marine finish carpenter. We use commercial grade Contact cement in large propane like tanks with what looks like a spray paint gun and hose. The only thing that I would do different and maybe because the yachts we build are high end vessels, but always protect everything around before spraying. you cannot remove glue from many types of material, and some materials will stain if remover is applied and rubbed. Be proactive and save yourself or your customers money and time. aside from that Sailright is a great product, I use it on my own sailboat, and I recommend it.
I forgot to also mention that the contact cement is very harmful to you, and extremely flammable, so keep it of your skin, wear a respirator, and ventilate the cabin during the process to avoid a potentially explosive situation.
This is easy, please show us a molded fiberglass headliner that needs 2 or 3 roles stitched together in order to be wide enough. Show us the best way to form around corners.
will this be okay on steel? or is condensation on inside a potential issue.
+Terry Peake Condensation can be an issue especially on steel.
I bet his heart was racing after inhaling all those glue fumes..
I liked Your video on the head liner. I see below most comments were about not using some sort of safety this and safety that. Is Sailrite selling such things as Safety Masks, Industrial blowers Hard hats Gloves with orange rubber coloring? If not You should think about it. I know I opened a can of worms, Thank You.
It's much better to mask up all wood and good trim and there should be a extraction fan for the volatile spray fumes especially if there is a shore power lead connected with the battery charger on you should ware a mask buddy. That glue will make you see double? Auto marine boat services chichester UK
how does this guy keep his fingers
thanks for the video. I hate safety gear too but in this case ... jeez. I guess at least you didnt light a cigarette! Thanks for the video again tho!
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Not a very good idea to have a "How To" video showing "How To Not Wear Safety Glasses or Mask"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think I will stick to boatworks today !! Theres more puffin n pantin in this than a cheap Swedish porno!!!
Aside from some questionable health/safety issues depicted, I would think there might be better solutions to installing this type of headliner, keeping in mind I'm not a professional at doing so. You can try masking the areas where you don't want adhesive so that you don't have to waste brain cells, time & materials cleaning up solvent-laden glue with more solvent. You could also try rolling up the material and applying glue to only the first 12". Then align the piece without trying to press the entire section into place at once which is somewhat haphazard. Spray a small section at a time, unrolling the vinyl as you go, keeping in mind the necessary wait time before unrolling.
Another method is to do it all outside of the boat on a thin backing such as plywood. If too large to fit through the companionway, it can be done in smaller sections trimming the edges with teak or similar.
oof watching you spray that whole can of adhesive, in an enclosed space, with no respirator, was brutal😢
I heard this guy saying ohh yeah. that shit may glue your lungs bro. use extractor or mask. or both
Grinding overhead with no safety goggles, cutting on your lap with shorts on & a staple gun with wiring! This video is terrible..
Great info, but it’s truly ridiculous how unsafe they are doing this. Can’t believe how poorly unsafe this i represented.
Why isn't he wearing a mask?
No mask. RIP lungs.
Xk
Uggh. Slow and blah. What do you know how to work Scissors and I know this should be a two minute video