All I have to say is that you better cherish that woman. First, she lets you go fishing. Second, she spent her time to feed your passion. When you have your maiden voyage, she better be right there next to you. Go Big Red!!!!
Generally speaking, the variencs or gap descripencies are most likely from using eva foam decking vs the original carpet. The lids are made with a gap to accommodate the thickness of the carpet when it's wrapped over the edges. Depending on the quality or pound rating if the Marine carpet, each edge of carpet adds 1/8-1/4 of thickness to each side. Multiply that times 4 edges and the gap is gone. Nice job with the decking foam. You could always reinforce those edges with angled aluminum and framing it out.
Here's an idea for anyone attempting this, create a line down the center. When I'm working on my 14 foot V bow I ran a string from front center to rear center and made pencil marks along the line. Unless the boat is more than 80 inches you have enough to span the entire width. Before starting to cut the material measure the edges so you use the odd size on the outside, if not cutting it off? I watched a video where a guy used blue painters tape (no cardboard) to create the template. He was able to peel it off the kayak and apply it to the sea deck. I understand a boat template is much larger than a kayak. Great video.
This idea meshes with some of the other videos. Find a centerline and work out from there. Decide if you want the actual center to be an accent gap, a full slat, or a slot. Most applications are making an accent gap instead of trying to do a seamless look. With the accent gaps, the pieces for one side will be mirrors of the other side. Measure, plan, make templates, measure, adjust templates, measure, THEN CUT.
Looking good dude, RELAX. Your girl did a bang up job on that adhesive removal, I know how much of a pain in the ass that is and the soar fingers it leaves you with. Don't sweat the small stuff man, this is a budget build and your getting great results. People watching this series are not expecting you to build a brand new boat on a budget, most of us just enjoy this type of content and or can throw ideas out there that might help. Keep up the good work! 👍
Where the front deck plates covered in carpet? The carpet added width to the panel and helped hold them in place. You can add the Eva foam around the edges to tighten the gaps and have them be more secure
The deck extension pieces were designed to have carpet for proper spacing so with the foam you don't have that buffer you get with carpet so you will either have to redesign the lids and add supports or remove them completely for it to look right.
I bet it not sticking after 2 years. Gasoline leaves oil on the surface. Unless you sprayed the whole boat down with brake clean after. Probably wouldn't do that. Will not stick very long.
Best thing about your videos is they’re REAL life and not some video that’s mostly fake. We started watching this journey and you’ve had to relocate to another state. We’ve watched as you’ve plugged along with life and then working on the videos on the boat build at the same time. Just keeping us up to date on the progress of the boat build and your trials and errors is what makes these videos great. You’re passion and sincerity for what you’re doing with the build is infectious so keep up the good work. Think when I have to replace the carpet in my boat I’ll look into that foam. Keep up the good work brother and can’t wait until the next video is uploaded. No way that I could talk my wife into doing some work like that to my boat., especially by herself, “and film it too”....😂
I have used this for several builds. There are pros and cons to it. Soft on the feet. Looks great, washes easy. Cons; seams separate, if left in sun too long it will lift, sometimes lines don't match up. I'd consider using a full piece instead of sections. Will eliminate all the issues I mentioned.
If you make a straight line down the center of the boat and work off of that, you’ll get more of a cut from a single sheet effect like you would get from seadek.
This stuff can really dress up a boat, but on our sailboat I've noticed a few things after 1 year. First, it oxidizes like crazy in the sun, and if you use it for seats etc (which we did to replace the original teak), it will leave large dusty patches on clothes and bags. We have one of the wood colors, so it releases a brownish/ashy dust when you touch it. The adhesive it comes with is terrible (lifts easily, even after full cure). We got fed up using different adhesives, and finally used a Corning poly to adhere it (which I'm sure we'll regret later). It's soft and comfortable underfoot, but easily tears. Overall, a great option to quickly improve an area, and best suited for boats stored indoors
What are the deck drop ins made of? Depending on clearances, you can try mounting/hinging them to aluminum angle making it all 1 piece to drop in. So it doesn't wear on the glass I would also attach some sort of material between the mounting surfaces. You could then use those straps and a quick disconnect, like those found on back packs, and screw/bolt one side into drivers side console which would allow then to still be removed. This was just a quick thought. It took few different design ideas/sketches before I found what worked best on my skeeter!
For a deck extension hold down solution. How about a u shaped wall/ceiling fastener with two screw eyelets attached to the deck and the deck extension- 8 total. Then a self adjusting bungee or a bungee with eye snaps attachment? The hardware can be found in stainless and plastic - PERKO - probably has what you need. This is the system currently in place on my Parker with a bow filler and it handles rough water flawlessly. When the bungee gets a little weak I just cinch it down a bit.
Fellow Omahan here, I run the Anglers of the Corn UA-cam. I have an 88 Ranger I redid the carpet on. Deck layouts on old boats were not intuitive. Everything beyond those 2 small compartments on the front deck (minus the rod locker) is after market put in by a previous owner.
It just so happens I work at Bass Cat / Yar - Craft Boats. Going on 4 months now. Just moved to the area . I do wiring in the Yar-Craft division. Yes - the carpet & seadeck is NOT meant to come off. Unfortunately - not everyone takes care of their stuff. So it's up to us ( certain group of people) to rebuild the older stuff.
Awsome job looks great when I redid my carpet on my triton I just used acetone seemed to do the trick only suggestion I have would be to run a string line down the center of the boat and lay your flooring from the center out that way all the lines line up but I dig the color looks awesome love the vids
The deck insert on that boat had snaps screwed into the cap that those straps snapped to, as for the side part it was hinged to the center part. And the gap’s are there to allow for them to be carpeted. Bass cat uses high quality thick carpet so that should answer your deck extension questions.
Exactly right. I have a '94 PII and this factory deck extension. It snaps in near the floor to hold it in place and make it easily removable. The side section hinges to it. Works great. Mine also has a section that is vertical to close off that section next to the console that adds to the rigidity and keeps everything inside that you put in it.
@@RussellSorrow my old P3 had it also and worked great. Basscat calls it the flipping deck insert. Made the front deck so much bigger. It also had a piece going down into the cock pit. Didn't see that in the video so he is probably missing it. Wish i had photos of my old boat but im sure if he Google's pictures of basscat flipping deck insert he will see it
I just went through a similar project on my homebuilt small skiff, using a one color grey EVA foam. This was also from Amazon. I wasn't removing a carpet first , as this deck had a molded anti slip pattern. That required the band grinding work to remove, - right down to the glass laminate. Next of, I used an oil based primer/gelcoat like you did. Not as tough as the original gelcoat, but it seals and it looks fine. Its easy to repair scratches as well. The thing with foam is, that it has a substantial heat expansion in the sun. This is the reason I learned, trying to make seams invisible is a waste of time. Make some purposely separated smaller areas instead. That's much better. That might even help to drain the deck better! Even if the separation width vary a little, it doesn't look bad. If you are worried about the dampening of noise, I don't think that a 1/4 - 1/2 inch stripe of bare deck between the foam areas makes any difference. Unless you are using spiked wadingboots maybe ;-) Yes, the variance in the EVA foam color is visible. I also learned that from buying roll no. 2. Again using separated areas will help make this issue less visible. I'm looking forward to the learn the long term cost/benefits of this material. It is possible to wash and clean with soap and a hard brush. At least that's better than a permanently glued carpet. I have another boat, were the deck carpet is fastened with Velcro. It works, but I don't use that boat so often for other reasons.
I have a 93 basscat pantera 2 with the deck extension. Mine doesn't look like that and it has an additional piece from the center hatch to the ground. The hinges are riveted or you can use rivnuts. I can send some pics if you have an e-mail or something.
Best paint to use on gelcoated/fiberglass- Ace Hardware porch and concrete floor paint. It's a polyethelene alchiad. Which are the ingredients for anti-fouling paint. I once did an entire 16' Quachita in grey using a roller and sponge brushes. It is self leveling and cost about 10 bucks/quart and when you are done, it looks just like gelcoat . I recently tried the Amazon style EVA to do the floor in my 21' Ranger. Don't ever use light grey. It's almost white and if you get in the boat it will suck the floor dirt and dust off your shoes and turn everything brown. It is hell to clean. I use straight 409 spray and wipe out a 12" section at a time. I'd stay with the color you have. Also, don't be surprised if it shrinks a little allowing your cut seams to later show out a little. I had perfect seams on the floor walkway when I laid the stuff. A few months later and now there's an ugly seam.
I had a '93 Basscat Pantera II and the deck extensions were a custom order from Basscat. My boat had them. Basscat advertised that as "extended casting deck". Awesome build man!
Those are factory deck extensions. When they were wrapped in carpet, the carpet filled up the gaps and they fit together snugly. You might consider just remaking something to fit out of wood and fiberglass, then sell those off. I see people looking for them in the basscat forums all the time since they are no longer made.
Once you removed the carpet it changed how the compartment layout because lack of the space from the missing carpet. Also there are hinges that go on that one in front of the console if I remember right.
Bass Cat made an extension for the Pantera II model which they called a "flippin' deck". It consisted of 3 panels that were all attached to each other so they wouldn't move and would be stable to stand on. There was a vertical panel to support the rear edge of the center panel (glassed together), then there was the center and starboard flat panels that looked similar to what you have but they were permanently connected to each other with a piano hinge. Each flippin'deck was designed specifically to fit a particular model and when they were in place they were snug, stable, and secure. What you have there wasn't from Bass Cat or may have been something the owner bought that was designed for a different model. Obviously even the correct flippin' deck was designed to be snug with carpeting so I imagine it would rattle a bit without carpet. I'm curious if you're going to experience a lot of rattling with no carpet along the lip of the lids where they sit on the deck. Here you can see how the flippin' deck extension is supposed to look on your model: ua-cam.com/video/BOmc_XmleEw/v-deo.html
I used to have a '95 Pantera Classic with the Bass Cat flipping deck installed. It fit snug in the openings. You definately need to secure those with something so nobody gets hurt.
Maybe some automotive rubber seal material for around those deck extension lids. They sell rolls of it that are inch or so wide, inch or so thick. The type around the inside of trunk lids. That would help keep them centered, stop some water from passing down, but wouldn't keep them on the deck in rough water at speed. You certainly don't want them flying past your head running 50+ on rough water.
Yeah I’m still working on my ‘93 Pantera 2 and I was going to build deck extensions to cover the area that your deck extension cover. I know bass cat sold a extension kits but not sure if that what you got. Either way those extensions need supports added (screwed in).
If you missing 1/2” dont forget when you wrap the carpet around it would be tighter for form a fitted look 1/4” on all sides will make up for the loss! What If you try wrapping the edges with the flooring? but all in all you got a 1500.00 boat to look like a 5000.00 boat for less then 200.00 good work im going to buy the camo version and do my kayak deck. But Im curious and wonder if it would stick to wood as well?
I’m in the process of design and building of a mini cat boat similar to a mystic c5000. I went and had a length of Astro turf donated to me by a local company who has tons of scraps constantly because it is really tough to pull up from the floors . I’ll use the cups that the seats will sit in to practice putting , lol. Girlfriend is a trooper. Stick a ring on that 👌 FYI. Heat is your friend, a hairdryer would help release that glue . It’s nothing more than landau top adhesive. Releases with heat too .
Your deck lids and openings were cut for carpet to roll over the edges and fill in the gaps. I think what you have completed looks good. You will need to come up with a way to pad out the lids for them to fit better. Nice job.
Doing my Ranger right now I was going to just put carpet on compartments bc of the unfinished fiberglass, thanks to the painting idea going to foam it all now.
I ordered some that stuff too off. Amazon. I got the Gray with the black lines for the flooring and I got a dark brown for the upper deck and the back deck in brown with black lines. Thanks for the tip. With the measurements? Good luck buddy
E v a foam is almost like sea deck They have the same machine that scans your boat for sizes. But is more expensive than Eva? And thanks for the tip about the measurements. That's why should I always measure twice cut once? It's just like doing tiles. They're not 12 by 12 all the time. I bought the same stuff from my boat I got The gray with black lines for the floor and then I got brown with black lines For the upper deck and the back deck. Good video anyways There's a company on UA-cam that talks about Eva. That uses that stuff
Good stuff, I liked that you are so exact. I liked that I seen you try to pull up the new stuff to see how adhesive it is and kudos to your GF, she is the best for doing all that glue removal.
Another thing with amazon is a bog company such as seadeck will sell left over or old stock to other amazon companies who will then rebrand it has theirs. I have bought multiple products on amazon were the stickers come off and have another companies brand under it
so one thing I picked up when looking on Amazon i would go with the " camo " style decking to avoid some of his problems with the lines not being even he's not the first video I've run across that mentions the lines are not union from roll to roll. Second, though it's 1600 bucks for a mat kit for my boat the method he's doing is a few hundred bucks and just a lot of time. That's a personal choice I have a budget minded key west 1720 I can't do the math in my head of dumping thousands for a power pole trolling motor, sea deck. it's not going to take long before my addons equal the price of the boat . Over all I think he did a really good job
I’m not sure if anyone else asked but I didn’t see it, what is the rust oleum color/model and process? It looks great and I have areas that the past owner dripped carpet glue into the hatch gunnels and it drives my crazy to see this yellow glue (sanded it to death) every time I open my hatches
Used EVA from Amazon. Looked great when I finished. Yes later in Texas sun it is horrible. $600 learning experience. Im not sure the expensive stuff is any better in the sun.
My P2 had snaps that those straps snapped onto to help hold it in place. When the decks had full carpet the pieces fit just fine. Keep up the great work 👍
I am using this inside of a cuddy cabin. I've got the pieces cut but I have not put them down yet. It's just been too hot to work in the boat. This may help me because I have to cut a bunch of irregular pieces. I actually cut the first ones very straight and then when I got them in I realized the boat is not straight lol. All that molded fiberglass is very irregular. That was another wrench I had to deal with. I assume this stuff all comes from China doesn't it? I wonder if an Alibaba inquiry could get foam that is much wider. I think most people would rather have it wider than longer. As long as the lines are even then they could just match them up. I'm not done with the video but just an FYI, the phone I got had something buried inside the instruction manual. It said that if the color is incorrect from piece to piece, to turn One of them around the other way. I think it's kind of like carpet where when you rub it in one direction it will look different from when you rub it in a different direction.
I used the same EVA foam on the rear deck of my boat. Lessons learned was foam has to be layed in the same direction off of the role from which it comes. If you take two separate pieces of the foam and turn them in opposite directions in the sunlight you will notice one piece is darker than the other. And if I were to do the EVA foam route again, I would buy solid colors, having to make special cuts to line up the lines is a time killer and a pain in the arse.
@@charlesparmenter5515 I removed it after a year. My rear deck was not very flat to begin with. I was able to fill in some spots to make the transitions smoother, but my biggest issue was finding a good glue. The EVA foam does come with sticky backing on it which would probably work well with a flat/smooth surface, of which I did not have. The glue I used did a pretty good job, but corners and such started coming up.
I was thinking using spray carpet glue and spraying it on. Id use a full sheet flat over prepared plywood. Then cut off the extra. My boat will be covered or in my garage when not in use...or just use carpet?
@@charlesparmenter5515 I used Locktight power grab heavy duty construction adhesive. The EVA foam I used had pre-made lines/grooves on it and had to do special cuts for the lids EVA foam in order for the lines to match up from piece to piece. If I ever decided to try it again I would use EVA foam with no pre-made grooves in it. Also, sunlight reflects differently off of the EVA foam, meaning if you take 2 pieces of EVA foam and place one piece upside down, one will look darker than the other. So make sure all pieces are going the same direction.
@David P ill get one solid color forsure and find a good adhesive. I think its worth a shot vs carpet. 🤔 a small front deck with a couple hatches. Then a flat floor in bottom and then a bench seat. Any idea the thickness of the eva. Or should i do another brand
I used the exact same foam and as long as you prep is right and use adhesive promoter it works perfectly. I did have to measure, straight edge it and meet two pieces together on the white edges. Boats coming out great man
When that bost was new front decks were very limited and there was a lot of wasted space in the cockpit floor. Deck extensions solved this. Having ones that mostly fit wins most of the battle brace them if needed, bolt or screw them down snd enjoy the room
Thanks for sharing! Sorry for all the pain you had to go through reinstalling it, do you think it would stick on plywood? I want to apply it on the engine cover for my boat, it has a piece of plywood with upholstery but I want to try this EVA foam. Thanks in advance! you guys dis great job!
It’s because they have room for carpet since you removed the carpet you’d probably want to add some kind of weather stripping or something like that tho fill the gaps and keep water out
Idea: Take a picture from above…save as pdf… print..can chose to be on many pages of poster.. when first page has right size item in it print them sll to make your template
it is a great video, thank you so much for taking your time to help everyone out. Great content. I have a bowrider and im about to do it myself to save some money. Cheers.
Those deck extensions have that gap because the boat was carpeted. With carpet wrapped around those lids there would not be much if any gap. If they cut them closer then you wouldn’t be able to open and close then with carpet. That’s why intercostal bass boats have different lids than traditional bass boats because seadeck does not fill in those gaps.
I used that Amazon eva on my bass boat and I used 5200 and spread it out evenly on the adhesive side of the foam. It's not going anywhere. That may come back to bite me in the future but I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there 😆
Yeah true, I had to weigh it down or it would shift or want to come up. Once it went off it was SOLID. However whenever I go to change it I'm sure it's going to be a nightmare lol. Oh well live and learn. Man I love the project and vids. My cajun was a very similar situation to your bass cat. Look forward to seeing how it pans out!
So two years later, how has the SeaDek product held up? I'm curious about the durability and longevity of the SeaDek brand. I think you did a great job. I know working with old and new adhesives can be a pain but kudos for sticking it out and getting the job done.
Another fine episode. Nice work. I looked at the same material, but chose to go carpet due to that cost. But that is a great tutorial on how that stuff really is. It is lookin great. Maybe in the next episode you can show how you wrapped it around the edges we would love to see that. That was one of the main reasons I didn't go with it. and the space between hatches and deck would have made it too tight to open the hatches
Should have bought sea deck. That stuff won’t last more than 2 years, just being honest. I have that exact one in my boat and it’s starting to deteriorate
I'm not a boat owner nor remodeler, but for the exposed " ugly" areas that you want to paint, how about something like truck bed liner paint, it's come a long way even colors? Would like to hear your thoughts. Good luck, and you have an awesome partner
Goof off will remove about any and all adhesives. But good rubber gloves are a must. Rapid remover is the best but not easy to find and rather expensive.
why not get the 40 inch, and only have 1 seam? less spots for peel risk, cut straight down on white line an inch or so over 26 inches and cut another then trim the outsides....
Great video. I'm considering doing a rebuild. Since you have had the floor for a while, how do you like it? And most importantly how is it holding up. Thx good job!
Hey man love the serious!!! Are you gonna put a graph on it and trolling motor? I suggest Lowrance for graphs but just putting it out there dawg have a great day
Dang! Bro, just dang! Why not use mylar template? Why not use boarder cutter and circle/angle cutter designed for cutting eva foam? Good job getting the glue off, number one importance when laying over aluminum or fiberglass. Also, just a suggestion for others, try doing a snap in version of this foam. I did one for a buddy that we sandwiched two layers of foam against each other's backing adhesive. I used thin plastic in between the layers in areas for snaps to have something to hold to. Was too high. Using shelving liner matting works better and is thinner. Use the biggest, flattest snaps you can find. Works great. Don't buy the name brand unless you are in that tax bracket!
All I have to say is that you better cherish that woman. First, she lets you go fishing. Second, she spent her time to feed your passion. When you have your maiden voyage, she better be right there next to you.
Go Big Red!!!!
Lets?
Wish I had a girlfriend like that....my wife wishes I had a girlfriend like that...!
“Let’s” him go fishing 😂😂😂
Generally speaking, the variencs or gap descripencies are most likely from using eva foam decking vs the original carpet. The lids are made with a gap to accommodate the thickness of the carpet when it's wrapped over the edges. Depending on the quality or pound rating if the Marine carpet, each edge of carpet adds 1/8-1/4 of thickness to each side. Multiply that times 4 edges and the gap is gone. Nice job with the decking foam. You could always reinforce those edges with angled aluminum and framing it out.
Here's an idea for anyone attempting this, create a line down the center. When I'm working on my 14 foot V bow I ran a string from front center to rear center and made pencil marks along the line. Unless the boat is more than 80 inches you have enough to span the entire width. Before starting to cut the material measure the edges so you use the odd size on the outside, if not cutting it off? I watched a video where a guy used blue painters tape (no cardboard) to create the template. He was able to peel it off the kayak and apply it to the sea deck. I understand a boat template is much larger than a kayak. Great video.
String lines are a man’s best friend!
This idea meshes with some of the other videos. Find a centerline and work out from there. Decide if you want the actual center to be an accent gap, a full slat, or a slot.
Most applications are making an accent gap instead of trying to do a seamless look. With the accent gaps, the pieces for one side will be mirrors of the other side. Measure, plan, make templates, measure, adjust templates, measure, THEN CUT.
Looking good dude, RELAX.
Your girl did a bang up job on that adhesive removal, I know how much of a pain in the ass that is and the soar fingers it leaves you with. Don't sweat the small stuff man, this is a budget build and your getting great results. People watching this series are not expecting you to build a brand new boat on a budget, most of us just enjoy this type of content and or can throw ideas out there that might help. Keep up the good work! 👍
Yeah I’m gonna be redoing an even older ranger here in a few months so seeing this process is great prep.
Where the front deck plates covered in carpet? The carpet added width to the panel and helped hold them in place. You can add the Eva foam around the edges to tighten the gaps and have them be more secure
Just a thought, get some 2 x 2 1/8 angle aluminum, fairly inexpensive and bolt them under those deck extensions for support.
The deck extension pieces were designed to have carpet for proper spacing so with the foam you don't have that buffer you get with carpet so you will either have to redesign the lids and add supports or remove them completely for it to look right.
I did my whole bassboat in seadek. Best way to get the glue from the carpet off is with gasoline. Works like a champ.
Remember no smoking 😂
Poor gas on it, then light it up and burn it off lol
I bet it not sticking after 2 years. Gasoline leaves oil on the surface. Unless you sprayed the whole boat down with brake clean after. Probably wouldn't do that. Will not stick very long.
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Best thing about your videos is they’re REAL life and not some video that’s mostly fake. We started watching this journey and you’ve had to relocate to another state. We’ve watched as you’ve plugged along with life and then working on the videos on the boat build at the same time. Just keeping us up to date on the progress of the boat build and your trials and errors is what makes these videos great. You’re passion and sincerity for what you’re doing with the build is infectious so keep up the good work. Think when I have to replace the carpet in my boat I’ll look into that foam. Keep up the good work brother and can’t wait until the next video is uploaded. No way that I could talk my wife into doing some work like that to my boat., especially by herself, “and film it too”....😂
Thankyou bro! 👊🏻👊🏻
I have used this for several builds. There are pros and cons to it. Soft on the feet. Looks great, washes easy. Cons; seams separate, if left in sun too long it will lift, sometimes lines don't match up. I'd consider using a full piece instead of sections. Will eliminate all the issues I mentioned.
How it faux teak look after several years on sun, rain and salt water?
How it faux teak look after several years on sun, rain and salt water?
@@sanijadresko2675 if left in the sun, horrible. There are better brands in full sheets that I recommend. Not the separate sheets
If you make a straight line down the center of the boat and work off of that, you’ll get more of a cut from a single sheet effect like you would get from seadek.
This stuff can really dress up a boat, but on our sailboat I've noticed a few things after 1 year. First, it oxidizes like crazy in the sun, and if you use it for seats etc (which we did to replace the original teak), it will leave large dusty patches on clothes and bags. We have one of the wood colors, so it releases a brownish/ashy dust when you touch it. The adhesive it comes with is terrible (lifts easily, even after full cure). We got fed up using different adhesives, and finally used a Corning poly to adhere it (which I'm sure we'll regret later). It's soft and comfortable underfoot, but easily tears.
Overall, a great option to quickly improve an area, and best suited for boats stored indoors
You found a real keeper buddy. Any woman that will do that, guard that relationship with your life!
The spacing is to allow carpet to fit onto them.
Oh snap
What are the deck drop ins made of? Depending on clearances, you can try mounting/hinging them to aluminum angle making it all 1 piece to drop in. So it doesn't wear on the glass I would also attach some sort of material between the mounting surfaces. You could then use those straps and a quick disconnect, like those found on back packs, and screw/bolt one side into drivers side console which would allow then to still be removed. This was just a quick thought. It took few different design ideas/sketches before I found what worked best on my skeeter!
Use Sikaflex around edges to stop water getting under and lifting
Thanks for the honest trial and errors- I’m getting ready to do my center console. Good info!
hello how is the sea deck foam holding up ?
For a deck extension hold down solution. How about a u shaped wall/ceiling fastener with two screw eyelets attached to the deck and the deck extension- 8 total. Then a self adjusting bungee or a bungee with eye snaps attachment? The hardware can be found in stainless and plastic - PERKO - probably has what you need. This is the system currently in place on my Parker with a bow filler and it handles rough water flawlessly. When the bungee gets a little weak I just cinch it down a bit.
Fellow Omahan here, I run the Anglers of the Corn UA-cam. I have an 88 Ranger I redid the carpet on. Deck layouts on old boats were not intuitive. Everything beyond those 2 small compartments on the front deck (minus the rod locker) is after market put in by a previous owner.
It just so happens I work at Bass Cat / Yar - Craft Boats. Going on 4 months now. Just moved to the area . I do wiring in the Yar-Craft division.
Yes - the carpet & seadeck is NOT meant to come off. Unfortunately - not everyone takes care of their stuff.
So it's up to us ( certain group of people) to rebuild the older stuff.
Tell your work to hook a brother up with some seats 😅😎
Looks good dude. Good on ya for finding budget friendly solutions for the average guy or gal!!
Awsome job looks great when I redid my carpet on my triton I just used acetone seemed to do the trick only suggestion I have would be to run a string line down the center of the boat and lay your flooring from the center out that way all the lines line up but I dig the color looks awesome love the vids
The deck insert on that boat had snaps screwed into the cap that those straps snapped to, as for the side part it was hinged to the center part. And the gap’s are there to allow for them to be carpeted. Bass cat uses high quality thick carpet so that should answer your deck extension questions.
Exactly right. I have a '94 PII and this factory deck extension. It snaps in near the floor to hold it in place and make it easily removable. The side section hinges to it. Works great. Mine also has a section that is vertical to close off that section next to the console that adds to the rigidity and keeps everything inside that you put in it.
@@RussellSorrow my old P3 had it also and worked great. Basscat calls it the flipping deck insert. Made the front deck so much bigger. It also had a piece going down into the cock pit. Didn't see that in the video so he is probably missing it. Wish i had photos of my old boat but im sure if he Google's pictures of basscat flipping deck insert he will see it
I just went through a similar project on my homebuilt small skiff, using a one color grey EVA foam. This was also from Amazon. I wasn't removing a carpet first , as this deck had a molded anti slip pattern. That required the band grinding work to remove, - right down to the glass laminate. Next of, I used an oil based primer/gelcoat like you did. Not as tough as the original gelcoat, but it seals and it looks fine. Its easy to repair scratches as well. The thing with foam is, that it has a substantial heat expansion in the sun. This is the reason I learned, trying to make seams invisible is a waste of time. Make some purposely separated smaller areas instead. That's much better. That might even help to drain the deck better! Even if the separation width vary a little, it doesn't look bad. If you are worried about the dampening of noise, I don't think that a 1/4 - 1/2 inch stripe of bare deck between the foam areas makes any difference. Unless you are using spiked wadingboots maybe ;-)
Yes, the variance in the EVA foam color is visible. I also learned that from buying roll no. 2. Again using separated areas will help make this issue less visible.
I'm looking forward to the learn the long term cost/benefits of this material. It is possible to wash and clean with soap and a hard brush. At least that's better than a permanently glued carpet. I have another boat, were the deck carpet is fastened with Velcro. It works, but I don't use that boat so often for other reasons.
FYI adhesive residue comes off best with white gas (yes Coleman stove fluid ) removes most tape based adhesives great.
I have a 93 basscat pantera 2 with the deck extension. Mine doesn't look like that and it has an additional piece from the center hatch to the ground. The hinges are riveted or you can use rivnuts. I can send some pics if you have an e-mail or something.
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Best paint to use on gelcoated/fiberglass- Ace Hardware porch and concrete floor paint. It's a polyethelene alchiad. Which are the ingredients for anti-fouling paint. I once did an entire 16' Quachita in grey using a roller and sponge brushes. It is self leveling and cost about 10 bucks/quart and when you are done, it looks just like gelcoat . I recently tried the Amazon style EVA to do the floor in my 21' Ranger. Don't ever use light grey. It's almost white and if you get in the boat it will suck the floor dirt and dust off your shoes and turn everything brown. It is hell to clean. I use straight 409 spray and wipe out a 12" section at a time. I'd stay with the color you have. Also, don't be surprised if it shrinks a little allowing your cut seams to later show out a little. I had perfect seams on the floor walkway when I laid the stuff. A few months later and now there's an ugly seam.
I had a '93 Basscat Pantera II and the deck extensions were a custom order from Basscat. My boat had them. Basscat advertised that as "extended casting deck".
Awesome build man!
Those are factory deck extensions. When they were wrapped in carpet, the carpet filled up the gaps and they fit together snugly. You might consider just remaking something to fit out of wood and fiberglass, then sell those off. I see people looking for them in the basscat forums all the time since they are no longer made.
Or use the EVA foam around the edges to make up the space that would be filled in with carpet.
Seadeck (formally made) has rounded edges, obviously cutting the Amazon material gives a straight edge. How is that on the boat flooring between cuts?
Hoping you got that deck straightened out by now . A couple offset piano hinges and heavy-duty velcro my help if you haven't already done it.
Once you removed the carpet it changed how the compartment layout because lack of the space from the missing carpet. Also there are hinges that go on that one in front of the console if I remember right.
Bass Cat made an extension for the Pantera II model which they called a "flippin' deck". It consisted of 3 panels that were all attached to each other so they wouldn't move and would be stable to stand on. There was a vertical panel to support the rear edge of the center panel (glassed together), then there was the center and starboard flat panels that looked similar to what you have but they were permanently connected to each other with a piano hinge. Each flippin'deck was designed specifically to fit a particular model and when they were in place they were snug, stable, and secure. What you have there wasn't from Bass Cat or may have been something the owner bought that was designed for a different model. Obviously even the correct flippin' deck was designed to be snug with carpeting so I imagine it would rattle a bit without carpet. I'm curious if you're going to experience a lot of rattling with no carpet along the lip of the lids where they sit on the deck. Here you can see how the flippin' deck extension is supposed to look on your model:
ua-cam.com/video/BOmc_XmleEw/v-deo.html
I used to have a '95 Pantera Classic with the Bass Cat flipping deck installed. It fit snug in the openings. You definately need to secure those with something so nobody gets hurt.
Loving this series, dude! Can't wait to see this thing on the water.
Looking great!! I’m glad you took one for the team with that sea deck, that will save others a lot of the same grief. Now I want to put it on mine.
I have it in my boat going on 2 years wish I could post a pic but it’s great
Maybe some automotive rubber seal material for around those deck extension lids. They sell rolls of it that are inch or so wide, inch or so thick. The type around the inside of trunk lids. That would help keep them centered, stop some water from passing down, but wouldn't keep them on the deck in rough water at speed. You certainly don't want them flying past your head running 50+ on rough water.
Yeah I’m still working on my ‘93 Pantera 2 and I was going to build deck extensions to cover the area that your deck extension cover. I know bass cat sold a extension kits but not sure if that what you got. Either way those extensions need supports added (screwed in).
If you missing 1/2” dont forget when you wrap the carpet around it would be tighter for form a fitted look 1/4” on all sides will make up for the loss! What If you try wrapping the edges with the flooring? but all in all you got a 1500.00 boat to look like a 5000.00 boat for less then 200.00 good work im going to buy the camo version and do my kayak deck. But Im curious and wonder if it would stick to wood as well?
I’m in the process of design and building of a mini cat boat similar to a mystic c5000. I went and had a length of Astro turf donated to me by a local company who has tons of scraps constantly because it is really tough to pull up from the floors . I’ll use the cups that the seats will sit in to practice putting , lol. Girlfriend is a trooper. Stick a ring on that 👌
FYI. Heat is your friend, a hairdryer would help release that glue . It’s nothing more than landau top adhesive. Releases with heat too .
Hi, good video!
How has it holding up? Thinking of sun etc. Is the glue holding up? Color variation etc.?
/Daniel
Bought the same floor a few months ago haven't installed yet, still building the boat.
Pantera 2 don't come with the extensions and the extensions are designed for carpet. The straps are connected to snaps mounted to the boat
Your deck lids and openings were cut for carpet to roll over the edges and fill in the gaps. I think what you have completed looks good. You will need to come up with a way to pad out the lids for them to fit better. Nice job.
I put eva foam on my boat last year, turned out great and have had no problems with it
Doing my Ranger right now I was going to just put carpet on compartments bc of the unfinished fiberglass, thanks to the painting idea going to foam it all now.
I ordered some that stuff too off. Amazon. I got the Gray with the black lines for the flooring and I got a dark brown for the upper deck and the back deck in brown with black lines. Thanks for the tip. With the measurements? Good luck buddy
coming along! whats up with the short bus?
So one year on, how has the Amazon foam and self adhesive backing held up?
High-five that lady she rocks !!!
E v a foam is almost like sea deck They have the same machine that scans your boat for sizes. But is more expensive than Eva? And thanks for the tip about the measurements. That's why should I always measure twice cut once? It's just like doing tiles. They're not 12 by 12 all the time. I bought the same stuff from my boat I got The gray with black lines for the floor and then I got brown with black lines For the upper deck and the back deck. Good video anyways There's a company on UA-cam that talks about Eva. That uses that stuff
I have a 97 pan2 I’m interested in a deck extension. Recommendations on how I go about it? Great video
Good stuff, I liked that you are so exact. I liked that I seen you try to pull up the new stuff to see how adhesive it is and kudos to your GF, she is the best for doing all that glue removal.
i'm on the fence with an old ranger im fixing up. this video helped me rule out a thing or two. thanks.
Another thing with amazon is a bog company such as seadeck will sell left over or old stock to other amazon companies who will then rebrand it has theirs. I have bought multiple products on amazon were the stickers come off and have another companies brand under it
so one thing I picked up when looking on Amazon i would go with the " camo " style decking to avoid some of his problems with the lines not being even he's not the first video I've run across that mentions the lines are not union from roll to roll. Second, though it's 1600 bucks for a mat kit for my boat the method he's doing is a few hundred bucks and just a lot of time. That's a personal choice I have a budget minded key west 1720 I can't do the math in my head of dumping thousands for a power pole trolling motor, sea deck. it's not going to take long before my addons equal the price of the boat . Over all I think he did a really good job
I’m not sure if anyone else asked but I didn’t see it, what is the rust oleum color/model and process? It looks great and I have areas that the past owner dripped carpet glue into the hatch gunnels and it drives my crazy to see this yellow glue (sanded it to death) every time I open my hatches
My buddy put the same stuff in his geehnoe and it was really nice for about a month
Used EVA from Amazon. Looked great when I finished. Yes later in Texas sun it is horrible. $600 learning experience. Im not sure the expensive stuff is any better in the sun.
yeah for the lines to match it could have helped to start in the middle not at the edge, you know like laying tiles?
My P2 had snaps that those straps snapped onto to help hold it in place. When the decks had full carpet the pieces fit just fine. Keep up the great work 👍
I am using this inside of a cuddy cabin. I've got the pieces cut but I have not put them down yet. It's just been too hot to work in the boat. This may help me because I have to cut a bunch of irregular pieces. I actually cut the first ones very straight and then when I got them in I realized the boat is not straight lol. All that molded fiberglass is very irregular. That was another wrench I had to deal with. I assume this stuff all comes from China doesn't it? I wonder if an Alibaba inquiry could get foam that is much wider. I think most people would rather have it wider than longer. As long as the lines are even then they could just match them up. I'm not done with the video but just an FYI, the phone I got had something buried inside the instruction manual. It said that if the color is incorrect from piece to piece, to turn One of them around the other way. I think it's kind of like carpet where when you rub it in one direction it will look different from when you rub it in a different direction.
I have a BassCat Pantera II also with the deck extension. There is a small amount of play in them. I can send you pictures of it if you’d like
I just used 1/16th inch sheet rubber from Home Depot and secured it with carpet adhesive
So how's it holding up I'm ready to go my boat and would love to know how it's going
I used the same EVA foam on the rear deck of my boat. Lessons learned was foam has to be layed in the same direction off of the role from which it comes. If you take two separate pieces of the foam and turn them in opposite directions in the sunlight you will notice one piece is darker than the other. And if I were to do the EVA foam route again, I would buy solid colors, having to make special cuts to line up the lines is a time killer and a pain in the arse.
David how is your foam holding up. Thinking about this vs carpet in small 14ft bass boat
@@charlesparmenter5515 I removed it after a year. My rear deck was not very flat to begin with. I was able to fill in some spots to make the transitions smoother, but my biggest issue was finding a good glue. The EVA foam does come with sticky backing on it which would probably work well with a flat/smooth surface, of which I did not have. The glue I used did a pretty good job, but corners and such started coming up.
I was thinking using spray carpet glue and spraying it on. Id use a full sheet flat over prepared plywood. Then cut off the extra. My boat will be covered or in my garage when not in use...or just use carpet?
@@charlesparmenter5515 I used Locktight power grab heavy duty construction adhesive. The EVA foam I used had pre-made lines/grooves on it and had to do special cuts for the lids EVA foam in order for the lines to match up from piece to piece. If I ever decided to try it again I would use EVA foam with no pre-made grooves in it. Also, sunlight reflects differently off of the EVA foam, meaning if you take 2 pieces of EVA foam and place one piece upside down, one will look darker than the other. So make sure all pieces are going the same direction.
@David P ill get one solid color forsure and find a good adhesive. I think its worth a shot vs carpet. 🤔 a small front deck with a couple hatches. Then a flat floor in bottom and then a bench seat. Any idea the thickness of the eva. Or should i do another brand
I think it is looking good. I have a 91 Nitro that needs carpet. I was thinking about using this on the main floor and carpeting the decks.
I used the exact same foam and as long as you prep is right and use adhesive promoter it works perfectly. I did have to measure, straight edge it and meet two pieces together on the white edges. Boats coming out great man
what adhesive promoter?
What is adhesive promoter
When that bost was new front decks were very limited and there was a lot of wasted space in the cockpit floor. Deck extensions solved this. Having ones that mostly fit wins most of the battle brace them if needed, bolt or screw them down snd enjoy the room
What about the corners of rod locker and other doors
Thanks for sharing! Sorry for all the pain you had to go through reinstalling it, do you think it would stick on plywood? I want to apply it on the engine cover for my boat, it has a piece of plywood with upholstery but I want to try this EVA foam. Thanks in advance! you guys dis great job!
It’s because they have room for carpet since you removed the carpet you’d probably want to add some kind of weather stripping or something like that tho fill the gaps and keep water out
Idea: Take a picture from above…save as pdf… print..can chose to be on many pages of poster.. when first page has right size item in it print them sll to make your template
it is a great video, thank you so much for taking your time to help everyone out. Great content. I have a bowrider and im about to do it myself to save some money. Cheers.
You need to start at the centerline of the boat and put the white seam edge at the centerline
Those deck extensions have that gap because the boat was carpeted. With carpet wrapped around those lids there would not be much if any gap. If they cut them closer then you wouldn’t be able to open and close then with carpet. That’s why intercostal bass boats have different lids than traditional bass boats because seadeck does not fill in those gaps.
Maybe you should add some glue down too when putting it down I mean it is cheap how good you think the adhesive on the material will last?
Adhesive won’t adhere to adhesive well.
I used that Amazon eva on my bass boat and I used 5200 and spread it out evenly on the adhesive side of the foam. It's not going anywhere. That may come back to bite me in the future but I guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there 😆
@@joelarledge4081 I tried 5200 testing the sides and I did not stick ha, was slippery as heck
Yeah true, I had to weigh it down or it would shift or want to come up. Once it went off it was SOLID. However whenever I go to change it I'm sure it's going to be a nightmare lol. Oh well live and learn. Man I love the project and vids. My cajun was a very similar situation to your bass cat. Look forward to seeing how it pans out!
How about add Inside metal edges scripts so the doors can fit on top and not move
how did it stick i got a 18ft pontoon boat looks good to me
Is it holding up? I’m seeing very mixed reviews on longevity of the generics.
Car paint use flex in the paint single stage sand with 350 grit.. good luck
So two years later, how has the SeaDek product held up? I'm curious about the durability and longevity of the SeaDek brand. I think you did a great job. I know working with old and new adhesives can be a pain but kudos for sticking it out and getting the job done.
@@Terry-7 Held up great!
Another fine episode. Nice work. I looked at the same material, but chose to go carpet due to that cost. But that is a great tutorial on how that stuff really is. It is lookin great. Maybe in the next episode you can show how you wrapped it around the edges we would love to see that. That was one of the main reasons I didn't go with it. and the space between hatches and deck would have made it too tight to open the hatches
Should have bought sea deck. That stuff won’t last more than 2 years, just being honest. I have that exact one in my boat and it’s starting to deteriorate
Mine did, too. I needed an additional piece for my dive platform. I bought a real sea deck piece. It's still looks new after 4 years.
Don't buy the Eva deck .. I used the Amazon shit .. and it's looks good but only for awhile .. I will use better qaulity stuff next time.
I picked up a $300 rolling ac unit for my garage and now I can do projects without being slowed down by heat and sweat.
Nice video man love this series!
I'm not a boat owner nor remodeler, but for the exposed " ugly" areas that you want to paint, how about something like truck bed liner paint, it's come a long way even colors? Would like to hear your thoughts. Good luck, and you have an awesome partner
Goof off will remove about any and all adhesives. But good rubber gloves are a must. Rapid remover is the best but not easy to find and rather expensive.
Looks good. Especially given where you started.
why not get the 40 inch, and only have 1 seam? less spots for peel risk, cut straight down on white line an inch or so over 26 inches and cut another then trim the outsides....
Great video. I'm considering doing a rebuild. Since you have had the floor for a while, how do you like it? And most importantly how is it holding up. Thx good job!
Is this stuff literally peel and stick???? Like no added adhesive needed???
So the question is did it stay stuck down and not lift. A lot of complaints about that. Just wanted to hear from you now after a few months
Can you tell me how you got it flat before installing eva foam
Are you or did put something between deck lid a d the deck?
Hey man love the serious!!! Are you gonna put a graph on it and trolling motor? I suggest Lowrance for graphs but just putting it out there dawg have a great day
Absolutely! Idk, I’ve had both bird and lowrance. Think I may roll with garmin this time around 👀
Should I get a medium heavy rod for a baitcaster
I have this in camo on my duck/bass boat. It works great and has held up very well
Dang! Bro, just dang! Why not use mylar template? Why not use boarder cutter and circle/angle cutter designed for cutting eva foam? Good job getting the glue off, number one importance when laying over aluminum or fiberglass. Also, just a suggestion for others, try doing a snap in version of this foam. I did one for a buddy that we sandwiched two layers of foam against each other's backing adhesive. I used thin plastic in between the layers in areas for snaps to have something to hold to. Was too high. Using shelving liner matting works better and is thinner. Use the biggest, flattest snaps you can find. Works great. Don't buy the name brand unless you are in that tax bracket!