The Winspace T1500 Review is now available to Patreon Subscribers. patreon.com/hambini I appreciate not everyone will like the patreon subscription. Unlike others, this channel doesn't receive frames and bikes from mainstream manufacturers because they fear a public reaming and the ridicule (mainly in the comments!!!) that goes with it. Most of the frames and things like the scylon on the winspace have been purchased outright - that costs quite a lot as well as the legal expenses when the corporate shillbags try to sue me. I also hope that most will appreciate the increased level of engineering and technical info that this channel brings in comparison to the Shill Central. Apologies for the rant, I wanted to explain my reasoning.
Really appreciate your videos, it helps us have a different view vs marketing that bike company offer. Majority are cramp especially the accumulative aero gains over the years for a certain bike line.
T1500 Owner Here - After 3000km I have no complaints. No creaks, rattles, seatpost slippage, or paintchips. The bike is fast and stable at high speeds. I should probably do a long time review soon. Thanks for all your efforts kind sir!
I recently purchased a Slc 2.0 from Winspace direct after shopping around and not wanting to pay $3500+ Us for a big brand frame. I took a chance on Winspace and have to say I am really pleased with the bike. It built up very easily and everything I needed was included. Ride quality and feel is great, you put the power down on climbs and it just goes. Mine built up with disc brakes at 15lbs even with cages, Garmin mount, etc. I plan on grabbing a t1500 when they’re back in stock. Also their customer service is great which is a major factor.
I think Winspace sales are about to pick up. A very thorough and comprehensive review. I have watched enough of these videos to see the difference between the poorly made and the well made. It's quite obvious that despite it's price, the Winspace is very well made. When is the T1500 review coming?
I’m afraid Chinese companies will only gain mainstream attention and thereby sales if they are either promoted at GCN and the like or the (social) media landscape changes with a shift from magazines/big websites to smaller but in some cases more credible youtubers. The fact that Winspace etc are pretty much ignored by the mainstream cycling media just shows they are pushing their own agenda which doesn’t exactly serve the cycling community. A brand offering similar or even better quality alternatives to the big buck companies for a fraction of the cost should be on the front page of the mags and websites… Being able to buy a performance bike for a reasonable price would make the sport a lot more accessible.
Thanks for another excellent review. Having grown up in the olden ways and days of steel frames that were made by craftspeople who actually cared about what they were doing, I guess I will consider Winspace if I ever wake up someday and get an urge to inflict a carbon fiber bike upon myself. And that white stuff showing on the inside of the frame tubes? That's just proof how excited the people are at Winspace about how well they make their products. Of course, I wouldn't lick that stuff if I were you. Unless you're into that sort of thing. Keep up the good work, as always.
For people interested in getting an SLC 2.0 you really need to pay attention to the geometry. The stack and reach do not tell the full story. The effective top tube is a bit short for 'race' geometry so I got the 125mm stem on. I sized down from my 2011 Trek Madone SSL 56ck (back when it was Emonda shaped) after I crashed it. Ended up going for the 490, the 520 would have been close to the Madone 56 sizing. Got it set up and felt very cramped, gave a few rides and went back to give myself a trigonometry lesson. Seat tube angle and the 0 set back seat post were putting me way out front with my saddle choice. Got a 20mm setback and things are much better, shorter reach and more drop than my old fit with a much better ride (the hypers are probably helping with that).
Agreed. I'm 178cm and I usually ride a 56 with 100mm stem. On the SLC in size 52 I needed a 120mm stem. However, it's a very comfortable bike to ride all day once it's set up right.
Winspace is really taking it to the next level in Quality and making the big names look like crap , Direct mount brakes are the best in my opinion and that type of seat post seat clamp is great to work with , very easy to adjust and functional , Oh and a round hole in the bottom bracket area ?? What more can you ask for .... Nice !!!!
You could ask for the BB face to be even remotely flat. Or some QC. If you haven't got a BB the likes of Hambini that is is rigid from one side to the other the frame will eat bearings and squeak because of it. Winspace uses customers and people with an online presence as a testing facility and advertisement, that is the next level stuff.
My custom build: SLC 2.0 Rim brake Hambini racing BB Ultegra di2 & Rotor ALDHU cranks Dura Ace R9100 C24 wheels Fizik Antares R3 Pro vibe alloy bars & stem Assioma Duo pedals Incredible bike.
Which version of Hambini BB86 did you use? I just got the same frame and am looking for the right Hambini BB to install. It looks like the standard black racing version in the video?
I find it hilarious that just as Cannondale sort out their frames and could justifiably stick to press fit they have started putting threaded bottom brackets back in their bikes!
Been watching this channel for a long time and it's nice to see Cannondale learn some lessons and improve their bikes. They've always seemed to be a manufacturer that has ups and downs with their engineering. Sometimes they're right about their guesses, sometimes they aren't. Sometimes they have shite manufacturing for their weird engineering, sometimes they don't. There are years of Cannondales that I've completely sworn off and some that look pretty attractive.
Huge Cannondale fan here. Been riding them since the 90’s. The best carbon bike I has was a 2015 SuperX Hi Mod. Had a bunch of supersix’s, hi mod and standard mod and they’ve generally been good, not mind blowing. I currently have the Supersix Evo CX, the 2022 bike and it’s noticeably stiffer than the other supersizes I had. Had a ton of Caad bikes, all great.
I bought/built up an SLC2.0 rimbrake a month ago. Installed new Shimano 12 spd Ultegra. The cassette lockring scraped against the hanger bolts/hanger. I had to face the hanger to get enough clearance. I told Winspace, they have acknowledged, still waiting to see their response or if they redesign the hanger and send me a replacement.
I can send qll the info to Hambini, see if he wants to do a video about it. To be fair the customer service from Winspace has been top notch. This is a bug by Shimano saying the 12spd cassette is the same width as the 11spd, it is not. I tried a 11spd cassette and there is plenty of clearance. The issue is squarely a Shimano problem that the frame manufacturers will have to deal with.
Out of interest, what does the 'activator' activate? Does is give a tackiness to the carbon? Another precision video 👍. Shows that Winspace know what they're doing and doing it as a matter of course, every time. Give their QC guys a toffee crisp. 🍫
19:47 I have diagnosed this as well on some bikes, I had one particular cannondale with this. I honestly think it makes a HUGE difference in handling, getting the right preload is funky. The cannondale particularly would work properly but it would take about 2 or 3 rides for the system to break itself in. The other bikes would never end up working properly, ever. I would always get the knocking sound while breaking hard. Note that sprinting seemed severely compromised, as well as the cornering. Not good. I keep thinking the headset/bearing seats is the most underrated part of the bike, it will KILL a bike's soul if it's not precise. Not getting a Winspace after this 😂
Have the frame in Kanegawa with bar/stem and 38 Hypers Thought I was talking some risk over Time Alpe d'Huez bike excellent and now have the Hambini squeal of approval
Time after time Winspace products have been proven to be excellent quality and great value,more people should consider there products and then the big cheeses will have to up there game and reduce the stupid prices they ask.I have 2 sets of Hypers the latest 60/67 and the older 65mm luns and both are far superior to the zipp 303 and 404 i had,so much so i sold the zipps!
It's fine to order bottle cage on Aliexpress, but I would not buy this way anything crucial for my safety. If they are serious about entering any market outside China they must arrange legal entity in Europe, comply with safety and customer rights regulations, etc. Otherwise it's an internet scam designed to sell factory seconds rejected by their clients, who get rimming on this channel.
@@macze2272 Buy direct from Winspace. Winspace is a high-end not bargain basement Chinese bike. If you spend 300 on a frame then yes you will get crap.
@@SherazChoudhary Do we know how they become "high end" and where? Who designs this stuff? What's their product compliance globally? How they are going to fulfill warranty claims?
Not a road bike, but XC, I would love to see your engineering stance on my Trek X-Caliber 7. And potentially engineer something to stop the internal cables rattling! ❤
This was literally gonna be my next bike but was sold out for too long so I went with a rim brake 105 TCR (impatient!) so if you are on the fence just get it if you see it in your size! TCR is great though with drive 40v wheels 😊
My winspace SLC rim brake feels same ride quality as a Cervelo R5CA I had at my workshop for a few days. I hope they dont scrap it. Rim for road and disc for dirt! Brakes on the seat stays are the only place they should be on a road bike! Chain stay brakes are crapola.
I'm looking for a new race bike now as my trusted 2009 Trek Madone 5.2 is getting tired. After much research about new Trek Emonda SLR or Scott Foil RC 10 which are both disc breaks =(. I came to my favorite guys channels Hambini and Durian Rider for the solution. I agree that disc breaks are not acceptable on road race bikes and finding a current review of SLC frame here and realizing that it's been also ridden by Durian Rider and approved by sir Hambini - I'm now 100% convinced to buy exactly that frame in rim brake version. Further, equip it with an 11spd Ultegra Di2 groupset and either Hyper 35 wheels or just carry on with my DA C24's as a training option and Reynolds Assaults as a race one. Thank you, guys! You both are absolute LEGENDS - truth and common sense you are talking about worth the world and hopefully keen cyclists will enjoy proper cycling instead of the marketing madness of big brands.
Also building up the SLC2.0 Rimbrake, I did notice the fork has a metal crown race, I've had this before on Cannondale and found it sloppy. I got an aftermarket cane creek crown race which had a silicone seal which fixed any slop, may have to do this. The lower crown race bearing is sloppy in race, top bearing excellent fit. Not a deal breaker, actually preferred rather than carbon fork race direct with bearing (probably brands cheaping out). Overall Winspace is excellent, highly reccommended.
@hambini, nice to see one of your "reamings" that actually has a sunny side. As someone looking for an N+1 middle tier endurance road bike, watching your videos often has me looking under my bed for the poor quality control monster which will infect my next purchase, leaving me with no more money to replace or fix. Keep up the good work.😉
Thank you @hambini, I think you put your finger on a problem I have been having with my bike. Sometimes when braking on my disc brake bike I get an awful shuddering vibration. I tried 3 different forks but never thought to look at the bearing seats in the head tube as the bike doesn’t knock when loading through the handlebars.
I own a Winspace SLC 2.0 (Rim Brake) with a Kanazawa paint job. I fitted a Hambini Race BB with just anti-seize and it was perfect. Hambini BB has another awesome advantage for Di2 or in general. You can gently remove and reinstall it if anything goes wrong with the Di2 junction or you just need access to BB area. No banging with a hammer or need to buy a replacement BB!!! ♥️ The Kanazawa paint job is beautiful and the frame was perfect with a perfect BB. Interestingly my 490 frame with paint was 848g!
15:26 these omnidirectional layups sound perfect on paper, but if the carbon is tented during layup or you get even a tiny rock strike the carbon layers delaminate really easily. If you internally see tenting, then push the outside of the frame to see if that tent line is flexible
I very recently bought that exact frameset and it's quality appears as Hambini describes but I have one exception. I discovered after I pressed in the BB bearings that they are not concentric by a fair amount to make the frame unusable. Unfortunanely I have 30mm cranks (Rotor) so pressing in a complete BB shell (Hambini type) is not possible. I am currently going back and forth with Winspace to resolve this issue. Here is the case where buying from a bike shop might be better when trying to resolve this in a speedy manner. I hate looking at an unbuilt frameset that I am very anxious to build up and ride.
The BB shell isn't close to aligned on the video either. You opted to be the testing facility for a company that sends unfinished stuff, and you got what you deserved.
Winspace have a sizeable network of local dealers, so you can indeed buy a Winspace from a local bike shop if you want that reassurance. I hope you get the issue resolved and can enjoy your bike soon.
@@alsbikeshed I did look into but unfortunately their dealers (or at least the closest one) are about 900k away on another island. I just hope they do the right thing and take care of this.
@@cccpkingu specialized/trek do it all the time hows your sl7, snapped your steerer yet, or how bout snapping your handle bars id rather a bb problem than major facial reconstruction, you????
Just happened on your site, immediately subbed, how could I not! Me: 71yo retired bicycle racer and mechanic, still avidly interested in the newest tech. You: A young piece of shit with brains.
I haven't subscribed on patreon (I will) and I appreciate you brought this on youtube much sooner than you said. But I believe that you shouldn't. Some people did whine about it but I am certain most of your viewers understand the cost to run a channel like yours. If someone wants to complain they should complain to the bike companies for not having the balls to send you frames. Anyway thanks for another great and educational review.
Have you Done the Winspace G2 Gravel frame ... I looking at maybe getting one of those in a few months ... as yeah I like the bigger tire clearance and the price for the frameset is nice too even if I have to move my GRX groupset over from my checkpoint ... or ... buy a DI2 or SRAM deal group ... as yeah I doing Unbound XL I hope next year and I think I want my equipment to be ready ... their frames certainly seem good and I got their hyper wheels which have been awesome as well ...
Do you think that larger frames are more susceptible to defects? Wondering since there is more material to them and it seems most bikes weren’t designed in these size but adapted.
1:57 Weight for a climbing frame matters a lot. The website says "Gloss logo on matt finish without paint about 780g+/-50g for M size" (M size is 49, so that's exactly what we have in the video), but it ticked the scales at 910gr!! That's 15% more than the advertised nominal weight, and 9% more than the upper tolerance. And it was completely overlooked.
On my scales it was 875g with hangers, bottle cage bolts before I sent it to Hambini. Strip those off and it would be within tolerance. With Hambini's BB it's now 975g. Full build for every day riding coming in at 6.3kg including pedals.... pretty light weight
@@neilglover6980 If it was 875g on your scales and 910g on Hambini's, in the same configuration, that means there was something wrong with someone's scales. Anyway, that doesn't diminish the main takeaway of this review, It's a well made frame at a third (or half) of the price you pay for established brands.
I have only discovered your channel recently, love the content, you are nearly as sarcastic as myself! Question from an old fogie, concerning Carbon frames and forks. Like many mature riders we are still sceptical about Carbon's strength and durability. After dozens of bikes (I currently have 14!) I have fitted a new unused set of Tifosi Carbon forks to a very early Principia alloy frame, should I be concerned, or am I being a wuss?
Thanks for that info about BB86/92 and 30mm bearings. Just read the page on your website you mentioned as I have that setup on my mtb. Had no idea it could be an issue. Running Hope crankset and bearings btw...on further inspection the bearings have 'Enduro DRF3041' stamped on the seal. Are these the same as the 6806 bearings Hambini sez are a bit pants? Anyway, when I finally upgrade my road bike I am more and more considering the Chinese connection. Cheers.
I would love your review of a really "high end" bike like Argonaut Cycles. They made the carbon bits molded over hard resin and I think they made flawless bike frames,or close to flawless you can get. I think I never saw such quality in a carbon bike frame/bike part. Really love Hope carbon frames too,they are a piece of beauty,any Hope Mtb would be very nice to be review I think. Would you make a video about brands do you think made good bikes/carbon porn? I told you those 2,Argonaut and Hope hehehe,I bet it would be more like Atherton bikes and Bastion. I like those Winspace frames,I have seen a few bikes around and they look like solid bikes,hard to beat bang for buck.
I'm really curious what you think about Van Rysel Decathlon bikes. I'm riding an aluminium Van Rysel with a full Shimano 105 groupset and the bike feels great and fast, the bottom bracket doesn't creak or pop after 2000 km, the frame is very stiff and snappy and the bike only cost 1000 EUR and I have had 0 issues with it so far. It feels like aluminium bikes don't get enough attention from UA-camrs considering the amazing value that they bring.
hi mastro Hambini...big dumb question but just finished my build with the SLC 2.0, fully integrated......and I am stuck with holes for external cabling both in the fork and the frame and I am not able to find any standard "plug" that fits..what do you suggest? chewing gum? PS: for anyone interested, SLC 2.0 size M with Dura Ace 12 speed, SLR Boost saddle and Black Inc. handlebars...6.5 kg 😉 I could easily save 200gr with optimized seat-post and saddle, potentially other 100gr on the handlebar but I do not have the money to do that
So winspace sells the well made ones and throws the rejects in the skip. At which point, a Dolan or Spesh employee grabs them and sells them for a massive markup. Top business model if you can make it work
If I were buying carbon I would buy winspace. But the cycling industry's shit was so trash that they kicked me all the way back to the stone age. My favorite bikes to ride these days are 90s mtbs with 2x9 groups.
Did you notice that the UK Chancellor's Autumn Statement reduced the import duty charged on bike frames but only for aluminium: *Tariff suspensions* - Following applications from business stakeholders, this measure will remove tariffs on over 100 goods for two years to help put downward pressure on costs for UK producers. The measure will remove tariffs as high as 18% on goods ranging from aluminium frames used by UK bicycle manufacturers to ingredients used by UK food producers.
The GEO comment is bang on. Most 56 cm seat tube bikes have a 555 to 565 top tube. I would love to buy one of these but do not want to run a long stem too bad. I will just have to buy a Cervelo 🤣
There are not many DirectMount Frames available on the Market at the Time of this writing. I think Rimbrake DM is still the best option for most Roadies for many Years to go with.
Fork and seatpost are really on the heavier side for a climbing bike. Frame weight in the video does not count for mouch as everyting is still attached (Axel, hangers, liners).
Nice review. So the headset bearing sits directly against the carbon and only makes contact on a couple of points, is that normal on newer bikes? Does it mean they would rock around until you locked it all together? Is that weight saving or cost saving. My 15 year old frame has aluminum inserts for the headset bearings.
Why isn't T47 more standard? It seems like it has the most flexibility to allow for various crank axles along with bigger bearings, is it complicated to machine or something I'm not aware of as a normal garage mechanic? I have it on my one ti bike and it seems solid, it's like a bigger BSA basically from what I see.
Yup, I think the OEM is speeder cycling, as the SC-R48D (or SC-R48V in rim brake) is exactly the same geometry and they even forgot to remove the headtube winspace logo on the picture of their website. They poorly erased the down tube one too. Anyway, maybe don't try to by from them as they seem to only sell B to B, in batches of 10 or more
@@gavinhornibrook1935 oh I see. Not information you can't find on the internet tho (weight weniers' forum can be useful for Chinese stuff). I would say it doesn't matter that much because they don't sell to individuals. And the main thing you get with Winspace over all the other far east brand is an excellent communication and after sale service. Don't really expect that from the OEM. The price of the SLC is definitely worth it as it is, no need to go to potentially shady sellers.
I bought a R11 Yoeleo bike. Just wondering if you can tell me your opinion. I've heard their comparable. I like what you said about the Winspace SLC 2.0. Maybe the owner of a R11 could tell me.
Interesting. I wanted to build myself a lightweight bike for a particular event and chose for the Yoeleo R11 (rim brake). I had various difficulties in getting hold of one and switched to a Winspace SLC 2.0. Absolutely no regrets. I love the Winspace - the best bike I've owned.
So if this bike needs the BB replaced in the future, can the aluminum tube you pressed in stay there and press only the bearings themselves in and out?
wasnt a fan of disc brake bikes.. but because of booked a new Ultegra di2 and it came several months later then price has dropped a significant amount... reluctantly went with a disc brake SLC instead. feels really good on climb and rolling routes.. but needs a lil bit effort on flat.
What kind of frame should I look for if I'm a very heavy bastard and I want to have it as a commuter bike but also for long gravel rides and multiday bikepacking? Should I skip carbon and go for a titanium or steel frame or is a good quality aluminium frame going to be safe anyway?
Go steel. It's the safest material. Titanium is just fancy and nothing more. Don't forget to sprawy automotive corrosion preventer into it. Watch for good regular looking welds when buying. Don't buy any frame with buffed up welds.
Two issues with the SLC. The bottle cage bolts on the seat tube are too high. Makes keeping a full size bottle in that cage a little akward. The entry point for the rear brake cable in the top tube is on the wrong side for the UK configuration. Almost a year on this frame and these are the only faults I can find.
The Winspace T1500 Review is now available to Patreon Subscribers. patreon.com/hambini I appreciate not everyone will like the patreon subscription. Unlike others, this channel doesn't receive frames and bikes from mainstream manufacturers because they fear a public reaming and the ridicule (mainly in the comments!!!) that goes with it. Most of the frames and things like the scylon on the winspace have been purchased outright - that costs quite a lot as well as the legal expenses when the corporate shillbags try to sue me. I also hope that most will appreciate the increased level of engineering and technical info that this channel brings in comparison to the Shill Central. Apologies for the rant, I wanted to explain my reasoning.
If you get frustrated just bang your hairdresser.
Jokes aside I enjoy your videos very much, someone has to call them out!
Really appreciate your videos, it helps us have a different view vs marketing that bike company offer. Majority are cramp especially the accumulative aero gains over the years for a certain bike line.
@@alexk.7250 Freud said that too it's uncanny
T1500 Owner Here - After 3000km I have no complaints. No creaks, rattles, seatpost slippage, or paintchips. The bike is fast and stable at high speeds. I should probably do a long time review soon. Thanks for all your efforts kind sir!
Go get them big boy
Go on Choco Man!!!
T1500 > Specialized Allez Sprint disc 🤡
@@bugabutu hahahahah
@@p504504 🤣🤣🤣
When Hambini see a nice bike, he sound more polite, as if he is talking to a beautiful woman :)
Doesn't have to be beautiful, only needs BIG .....hair
I did notice that! I think i prefer the more animated Hambini! 😉
He is picky about his holes. Anything out of round or oversized puts him right off.
I'll nickname him 'swiss Tony '
@@howarddavies136 he likes an interference fit! 😉
I recently purchased a Slc 2.0 from Winspace direct after shopping around and not wanting to pay $3500+ Us for a big brand frame. I took a chance on Winspace and have to say I am really pleased with the bike. It built up very easily and everything I needed was included. Ride quality and feel is great, you put the power down on climbs and it just goes. Mine built up with disc brakes at 15lbs even with cages, Garmin mount, etc. I plan on grabbing a t1500 when they’re back in stock. Also their customer service is great which is a major factor.
Is it UCI approved?
I love how H- in the initial HELLO is cut, so BRUTAL
annoying AF
I think Winspace sales are about to pick up. A very thorough and comprehensive review. I have watched enough of these videos to see the difference between the poorly made and the well made. It's quite obvious that despite it's price, the Winspace is very well made. When is the T1500 review coming?
It's available now on Patreon
I have this frameset it's brilliant
I purchased this frameset last week. Winspace stated to me that they are overrun with orders
I’m afraid Chinese companies will only gain mainstream attention and thereby sales if they are either promoted at GCN and the like or the (social) media landscape changes with a shift from magazines/big websites to smaller but in some cases more credible youtubers.
The fact that Winspace etc are pretty much ignored by the mainstream cycling media just shows they are pushing their own agenda which doesn’t exactly serve the cycling community. A brand offering similar or even better quality alternatives to the big buck companies for a fraction of the cost should be on the front page of the mags and websites… Being able to buy a performance bike for a reasonable price would make the sport a lot more accessible.
@@Bonky-wonky GCN is all paid product placement. Their tutorials on bike building etc are useful, but their product reviews are unreliable
Good review as always, I would love to see a review of the Winspace G2 gravel Frame!
Thanks for another excellent review. Having grown up in the olden ways and days of steel frames that were made by craftspeople who actually cared about what they were doing, I guess I will consider Winspace if I ever wake up someday and get an urge to inflict a carbon fiber bike upon myself. And that white stuff showing on the inside of the frame tubes? That's just proof how excited the people are at Winspace about how well they make their products. Of course, I wouldn't lick that stuff if I were you. Unless you're into that sort of thing. Keep up the good work, as always.
For people interested in getting an SLC 2.0 you really need to pay attention to the geometry. The stack and reach do not tell the full story. The effective top tube is a bit short for 'race' geometry so I got the 125mm stem on. I sized down from my 2011 Trek Madone SSL 56ck (back when it was Emonda shaped) after I crashed it. Ended up going for the 490, the 520 would have been close to the Madone 56 sizing. Got it set up and felt very cramped, gave a few rides and went back to give myself a trigonometry lesson. Seat tube angle and the 0 set back seat post were putting me way out front with my saddle choice. Got a 20mm setback and things are much better, shorter reach and more drop than my old fit with a much better ride (the hypers are probably helping with that).
Agreed. I'm 178cm and I usually ride a 56 with 100mm stem. On the SLC in size 52 I needed a 120mm stem. However, it's a very comfortable bike to ride all day once it's set up right.
Winspace is really taking it to the next level in Quality and making the big names look like crap , Direct mount brakes are the best in my opinion and that type of seat post seat clamp is great to work with , very easy to adjust and functional , Oh and a round hole in the bottom bracket area ?? What more can you ask for .... Nice !!!!
You could ask for the BB face to be even remotely flat. Or some QC.
If you haven't got a BB the likes of Hambini that is is rigid from one side to the other the frame will eat bearings and squeak because of it.
Winspace uses customers and people with an online presence as a testing facility and advertisement, that is the next level stuff.
My custom build:
SLC 2.0 Rim brake
Hambini racing BB
Ultegra di2 & Rotor ALDHU cranks
Dura Ace R9100 C24 wheels
Fizik Antares R3
Pro vibe alloy bars & stem
Assioma Duo pedals
Incredible bike.
You forgot to included the most impotant into, which is the weight of your buildl :)
weight?
7.3 including pedals
Which version of Hambini BB86 did you use? I just got the same frame and am looking for the right Hambini BB to install. It looks like the standard black racing version in the video?
@@totothebunny333 hambini racing BB86
I find it hilarious that just as Cannondale sort out their frames and could justifiably stick to press fit they have started putting threaded bottom brackets back in their bikes!
Can't have anyone making use of their spares. New stock all around.
Pretty sure that was by popular demand. Threaded is just easier for home mechanics to work on
@@mrvwbug4423 totally
15:40 the "ultra lay-up" paint scheme looks very good on this frame.
There is no paint. Raw carbon with clear coat. Beautiful
Been watching this channel for a long time and it's nice to see Cannondale learn some lessons and improve their bikes. They've always seemed to be a manufacturer that has ups and downs with their engineering. Sometimes they're right about their guesses, sometimes they aren't. Sometimes they have shite manufacturing for their weird engineering, sometimes they don't. There are years of Cannondales that I've completely sworn off and some that look pretty attractive.
The guys from Winspace are crying with happiness.
Huge Cannondale fan here. Been riding them since the 90’s. The best carbon bike I has was a 2015 SuperX Hi Mod. Had a bunch of supersix’s, hi mod and standard mod and they’ve generally been good, not mind blowing.
I currently have the Supersix Evo CX, the 2022 bike and it’s noticeably stiffer than the other supersizes I had.
Had a ton of Caad bikes, all great.
Cannondale and Scott are mfg at the same factory in Taiwan.
If you ever get a chance to review a winspace G2, that would be fun. Got one last summer, easy build and has been rock solid.
I bought/built up an SLC2.0 rimbrake a month ago. Installed new Shimano 12 spd Ultegra. The cassette lockring scraped against the hanger bolts/hanger.
I had to face the hanger to get enough clearance.
I told Winspace, they have acknowledged, still waiting to see their response or if they redesign the hanger and send me a replacement.
Please put out a video or put the e-mail from winspace somewhere.
I can send qll the info to Hambini, see if he wants to do a video about it. To be fair the customer service from Winspace has been top notch. This is a bug by Shimano saying the 12spd cassette is the same width as the 11spd, it is not. I tried a 11spd cassette and there is plenty of clearance. The issue is squarely a Shimano problem that the frame manufacturers will have to deal with.
Out of interest, what does the 'activator' activate? Does is give a tackiness to the carbon?
Another precision video 👍. Shows that Winspace know what they're doing and doing it as a matter of course, every time. Give their QC guys a toffee crisp. 🍫
It helps the locative adhesive adhere
19:47 I have diagnosed this as well on some bikes, I had one particular cannondale with this. I honestly think it makes a HUGE difference in handling, getting the right preload is funky. The cannondale particularly would work properly but it would take about 2 or 3 rides for the system to break itself in. The other bikes would never end up working properly, ever. I would always get the knocking sound while breaking hard. Note that sprinting seemed severely compromised, as well as the cornering. Not good.
I keep thinking the headset/bearing seats is the most underrated part of the bike, it will KILL a bike's soul if it's not precise. Not getting a Winspace after this 😂
Let's see if Winspace improves their headset after Hambini's review.
Have the frame in Kanegawa with bar/stem and 38 Hypers
Thought I was talking some risk over Time Alpe d'Huez bike excellent and now have the Hambini squeal of approval
Time after time Winspace products have been proven to be excellent quality and great value,more people should consider there products and then the big cheeses will have to up there game and reduce the stupid prices they ask.I have 2 sets of Hypers the latest 60/67 and the older 65mm luns and both are far superior to the zipp 303 and 404 i had,so much so i sold the zipps!
It's fine to order bottle cage on Aliexpress, but I would not buy this way anything crucial for my safety. If they are serious about entering any market outside China they must arrange legal entity in Europe, comply with safety and customer rights regulations, etc. Otherwise it's an internet scam designed to sell factory seconds rejected by their clients, who get rimming on this channel.
@@macze2272 Buy direct from Winspace. Winspace is a high-end not bargain basement Chinese bike. If you spend 300 on a frame then yes you will get crap.
@@SherazChoudhary Do we know how they become "high end" and where? Who designs this stuff? What's their product compliance globally? How they are going to fulfill warranty claims?
@@macze2272 What's their product compliance globally?
their wheels are UCI Approuved. It's enough for me to buy Lun Wheels (45mm rim brake).
@@simonpeneau7802 And that is a quality control badge? The amount of stuff that has an UCI approved badge on is flatly humiliating for them.
Hambini you said a few weeks ago something new is coming that is on the quality level like TIME bikes. I just want to know when :) cheers.
Not a road bike, but XC, I would love to see your engineering stance on my Trek X-Caliber 7. And potentially engineer something to stop the internal cables rattling! ❤
This was literally gonna be my next bike but was sold out for too long so I went with a rim brake 105 TCR (impatient!) so if you are on the fence just get it if you see it in your size! TCR is great though with drive 40v wheels 😊
As I found when I contacted Winspace via the live chat on their website, their actual stock is not in line with what is indicated on the site!!
My winspace SLC rim brake feels same ride quality as a Cervelo R5CA I had at my workshop for a few days.
I hope they dont scrap it. Rim for road and disc for dirt!
Brakes on the seat stays are the only place they should be on a road bike! Chain stay brakes are crapola.
did you watch your special mention in the cool wall?
I'm looking for a new race bike now as my trusted 2009 Trek Madone 5.2 is getting tired. After much research about new Trek Emonda SLR or Scott Foil RC 10 which are both disc breaks =(. I came to my favorite guys channels Hambini and Durian Rider for the solution. I agree that disc breaks are not acceptable on road race bikes and finding a current review of SLC frame here and realizing that it's been also ridden by Durian Rider and approved by sir Hambini - I'm now 100% convinced to buy exactly that frame in rim brake version. Further, equip it with an 11spd Ultegra Di2 groupset and either Hyper 35 wheels or just carry on with my DA C24's as a training option and Reynolds Assaults as a race one. Thank you, guys! You both are absolute LEGENDS - truth and common sense you are talking about worth the world and hopefully keen cyclists will enjoy proper cycling instead of the marketing madness of big brands.
Hambini time !!!! direct mount rim brakes .... I'm in !
It is advertised as 780g for this unpainted frame. You weight it 910g. This is a huge difference.
Also building up the SLC2.0 Rimbrake, I did notice the fork has a metal crown race, I've had this before on Cannondale and found it sloppy. I got an aftermarket cane creek crown race which had a silicone seal which fixed any slop, may have to do this.
The lower crown race bearing is sloppy in race, top bearing excellent fit. Not a deal breaker, actually preferred rather than carbon fork race direct with bearing (probably brands cheaping out).
Overall Winspace is excellent, highly reccommended.
@hambini, nice to see one of your "reamings" that actually has a sunny side. As someone looking for an N+1 middle tier endurance road bike, watching your videos often has me looking under my bed for the poor quality control monster which will infect my next purchase, leaving me with no more money to replace or fix.
Keep up the good work.😉
Just goes to show how well Winspace can keep on top of quality control when they’re next door to the factory that produce their frames for them.
Thank you @hambini, I think you put your finger on a problem I have been having with my bike. Sometimes when braking on my disc brake bike I get an awful shuddering vibration. I tried 3 different forks but never thought to look at the bearing seats in the head tube as the bike doesn’t knock when loading through the handlebars.
Let's hope Winspace will hire you to build the SLC 3.0
What an endorsement!! I think I want one now
I own a Winspace SLC 2.0 (Rim Brake) with a Kanazawa paint job. I fitted a Hambini Race BB with just anti-seize and it was perfect.
Hambini BB has another awesome advantage for Di2 or in general. You can gently remove and reinstall it if anything goes wrong with the Di2 junction or you just need access to BB area. No banging with a hammer or need to buy a replacement BB!!! ♥️
The Kanazawa paint job is beautiful and the frame was perfect with a perfect BB.
Interestingly my 490 frame with paint was 848g!
Hi, can I ask you about the sizing? What height are you? And typically what western frame size would you use?
Your map pointing was outside of tolerance ;)
Random bike, anonymously bought? Now we are talking. Bravo!
15:26 these omnidirectional layups sound perfect on paper, but if the carbon is tented during layup or you get even a tiny rock strike the carbon layers delaminate really easily.
If you internally see tenting, then push the outside of the frame to see if that tent line is flexible
I very recently bought that exact frameset and it's quality appears as Hambini describes but I have one exception. I discovered after I pressed in the BB bearings that they are not concentric by a fair amount to make the frame unusable. Unfortunanely I have 30mm cranks (Rotor) so pressing in a complete BB shell (Hambini type) is not possible. I am currently going back and forth with Winspace to resolve this issue. Here is the case where buying from a bike shop might be better when trying to resolve this in a speedy manner. I hate looking at an unbuilt frameset that I am very anxious to build up and ride.
The BB shell isn't close to aligned on the video either.
You opted to be the testing facility for a company that sends unfinished stuff, and you got what you deserved.
Winspace have a sizeable network of local dealers, so you can indeed buy a Winspace from a local bike shop if you want that reassurance. I hope you get the issue resolved and can enjoy your bike soon.
@@alsbikeshed I did look into but unfortunately their dealers (or at least the closest one) are about 900k away on another island. I just hope they do the right thing and take care of this.
@@cccpkingu A Winspace troll??!!
@@cccpkingu specialized/trek do it all the time hows your sl7, snapped your steerer yet, or how bout snapping your handle bars id rather a bb problem than major facial reconstruction, you????
Just happened on your site, immediately subbed, how could I not! Me: 71yo retired bicycle racer and mechanic, still avidly interested in the newest tech. You: A young piece of shit with brains.
I haven't subscribed on patreon (I will) and I appreciate you brought this on youtube much sooner than you said. But I believe that you shouldn't. Some people did whine about it but I am certain most of your viewers understand the cost to run a channel like yours. If someone wants to complain they should complain to the bike companies for not having the balls to send you frames.
Anyway thanks for another great and educational review.
Have you Done the Winspace G2 Gravel frame ... I looking at maybe getting one of those in a few months ... as yeah I like the bigger tire clearance and the price for the frameset is nice too even if I have to move my GRX groupset over from my checkpoint ... or ... buy a DI2 or SRAM deal group ... as yeah I doing Unbound XL I hope next year and I think I want my equipment to be ready ... their frames certainly seem good and I got their hyper wheels which have been awesome as well ...
G2 owner here - love it. love it. love it.
Do you think that larger frames are more susceptible to defects? Wondering since there is more material to them and it seems most bikes weren’t designed in these size but adapted.
1:57 Weight for a climbing frame matters a lot. The website says "Gloss logo on matt finish without paint about 780g+/-50g for M size" (M size is 49, so that's exactly what we have in the video), but it ticked the scales at 910gr!! That's 15% more than the advertised nominal weight, and 9% more than the upper tolerance. And it was completely overlooked.
He got hangers and bolts, tubes etc... The 780g weight should be without these stuff.
@@tomthepanda Should be, but who knows.... )) since it wasn't weighted.
On my scales it was 875g with hangers, bottle cage bolts before I sent it to Hambini. Strip those off and it would be within tolerance. With Hambini's BB it's now 975g. Full build for every day riding coming in at 6.3kg including pedals.... pretty light weight
@@neilglover6980 If it was 875g on your scales and 910g on Hambini's, in the same configuration, that means there was something wrong with someone's scales. Anyway, that doesn't diminish the main takeaway of this review, It's a well made frame at a third (or half) of the price you pay for established brands.
Also I think in the video the measurement is with the rear axel. So that might be the 30g difference
I have only discovered your channel recently, love the content, you are nearly as sarcastic as myself! Question from an old fogie, concerning Carbon frames and forks. Like many mature riders we are still sceptical about Carbon's strength and durability. After dozens of bikes (I currently have 14!) I have fitted a new unused set of Tifosi Carbon forks to a very early Principia alloy frame, should I be concerned, or am I being a wuss?
I wouldn't fit tifosi anything. they are known to rebrand crap from china. have a search for the bottom bracket from hell.
Xiamen is actually in South China, across the strait from Taiwan, not where you pointed out in the video. Good review nonetheless.
Thanks for that info about BB86/92 and 30mm bearings. Just read the page on your website you mentioned as I have that setup on my mtb. Had no idea it could be an issue. Running Hope crankset and bearings btw...on further inspection the bearings have 'Enduro DRF3041' stamped on the seal. Are these the same as the 6806 bearings Hambini sez are a bit pants?
Anyway, when I finally upgrade my road bike I am more and more considering the Chinese connection. Cheers.
I have 2 of these,with hyper wheels. Brought 2 after testing sworks, trek and Cevelo...The SLC2.0 was far superior.
"Direct mount in the standard place." Just the way I like it!
I would love your review of a really "high end" bike like Argonaut Cycles. They made the carbon bits molded over hard resin and I think they made flawless bike frames,or close to flawless you can get. I think I never saw such quality in a carbon bike frame/bike part. Really love Hope carbon frames too,they are a piece of beauty,any Hope Mtb would be very nice to be review I think. Would you make a video about brands do you think made good bikes/carbon porn? I told you those 2,Argonaut and Hope hehehe,I bet it would be more like Atherton bikes and Bastion.
I like those Winspace frames,I have seen a few bikes around and they look like solid bikes,hard to beat bang for buck.
Mate you put the Winspace factory straight on Valdivostok 😆 Thanks for the video.
Hambini! Make me some merch !
I want "the pen is working" t shirt
Can you check the Cube Agree C:62 (with 105 Di) frame? The chainstay has some weird knick/deformation, doesn't that create a stresspoint?
hey hambini how about the g2 gravel frame what do you now < is it good?
So does Winspace make these for Speeder Cycling or does Speeder make these for Winspace?
Is the cable guide below the bb integrated into the frame? Considering taking my mechanical DA from a Bmc SLR01 over on this 🤔
I'm really curious what you think about Van Rysel Decathlon bikes. I'm riding an aluminium Van Rysel with a full Shimano 105 groupset and the bike feels great and fast, the bottom bracket doesn't creak or pop after 2000 km, the frame is very stiff and snappy and the bike only cost 1000 EUR and I have had 0 issues with it so far. It feels like aluminium bikes don't get enough attention from UA-camrs considering the amazing value that they bring.
hi mastro Hambini...big dumb question but just finished my build with the SLC 2.0, fully integrated......and I am stuck with holes for external cabling both in the fork and the frame and I am not able to find any standard "plug" that fits..what do you suggest? chewing gum?
PS: for anyone interested, SLC 2.0 size M with Dura Ace 12 speed, SLR Boost saddle and Black Inc. handlebars...6.5 kg 😉
I could easily save 200gr with optimized seat-post and saddle, potentially other 100gr on the handlebar but I do not have the money to do that
thats so light man. hows the saddle?
So winspace sells the well made ones and throws the rejects in the skip. At which point, a Dolan or Spesh employee grabs them and sells them for a massive markup. Top business model if you can make it work
I may have missed it, but if not I'd luv to see a comparison vid of all the BB standards with recommendations.
A confused retro grouch
What about the sanding through of the outer layers? Seems like they've sanded a way some of the carbon on some of these frames that I have seen.
If I were buying carbon I would buy winspace.
But the cycling industry's shit was so trash that they kicked me all the way back to the stone age. My favorite bikes to ride these days are 90s mtbs with 2x9 groups.
Pretty sure the residue at 17:27 was caused during Hambini's inspection procedure. He did mention visiting the urologists...
Did you notice that the UK Chancellor's Autumn Statement reduced the import duty charged on bike frames but only for aluminium:
*Tariff suspensions* - Following applications from business stakeholders, this measure will remove tariffs on over 100 goods for two years to help put downward pressure on costs for UK producers. The measure will remove tariffs as high as 18% on goods ranging from aluminium frames used by UK bicycle manufacturers to ingredients used by UK food producers.
Hello, I'm 1.76m tall? Inside leg length 82cm. What frame size would you recommend?
Shame I haven't got enough for a winspace build. Have a caad12 right now, and by january, I think I'll be buying some hypers!
Nothing wrong with a Caad, I have ridden one for years, and it held up perfectly fine. Just upgraded to a Koga Kimera premium di2
Bought Hypers 5 mos ago. Huge upgrade to the cheaper Rovals that were on there, I'm 1.5 mph faster, and the bike came alive.
Waiting for official winspace to comment on this
The GEO comment is bang on. Most 56 cm seat tube bikes have a 555 to 565 top tube. I would love to buy one of these but do not want to run a long stem too bad. I will just have to buy a Cervelo 🤣
The older giants etc with 50cm ST had 55cm TT, if only old geo charts had stack listed
What if this random punter teamed up with Winspace behind your back? Surprisingly too perfect!!!
Could you explain what a flash line is? It´s mentioned at 2.30ish regarding the fork.
👍 TIME and money well spent
Thanks for sending it in!
Neil, Are you the anonymous purchaser?
@@theillegalimmigrant9314 yes sir
Can you me a hint what size Winspace would be the most suitable for 183m tall?
There are not many DirectMount Frames available on the Market at the Time of this writing. I think Rimbrake DM is still the best option for most Roadies for many Years to go with.
💯% for DM brakes
This is the best brake system. I have a BMC SLR01 with disc and with DM. I was very disappointed with the behaviour of the disc...I sold it !
AWESOME as always! 😎💯💥
23:49 - What is that best bicycle light from Ali that you've ever had? I'm curious🤔
Fork and seatpost are really on the heavier side for a climbing bike. Frame weight in the video does not count for mouch as everyting is still attached (Axel, hangers, liners).
My favourite PowerPoint title so far 👌
Can't get past Winspace Logo looking like the Warner Brothers logo😆
I’m impressed. I was thinking it wouldn’t be a very well made frame & fork but it’s very nice quality.
You don't know that. Evidently the BB shells aren't faced at all.
@@cccpkingu Well I meant in terms of the carbon manufacturing - no wrinkles, no voids, etc. The pictures of the internals looked really good.
Where are the Canyon carbon frame and the Giant carbon frame on the scale or do they just not register on it? :P Ooh and how about the Open one?
Nice review. So the headset bearing sits directly against the carbon and only makes contact on a couple of points, is that normal on newer bikes? Does it mean they would rock around until you locked it all together? Is that weight saving or cost saving. My 15 year old frame has aluminum inserts for the headset bearings.
It's more like a slender ring contact as opposed to a full conical contact.
@@Hambini thanks.
Why isn't T47 more standard? It seems like it has the most flexibility to allow for various crank axles along with bigger bearings, is it complicated to machine or something I'm not aware of as a normal garage mechanic? I have it on my one ti bike and it seems solid, it's like a bigger BSA basically from what I see.
bcause its not needed.. sram is the only company pushing larger diameter crank spindles because they are obtuse
@@JogBird I'm not after bigger axles as much as bigger bearings.
SLC is an excellent frame, made for Winspace though, not by them. Have been running a 30mm crank - have been through a few BB's
Yup, I think the OEM is speeder cycling, as the SC-R48D (or SC-R48V in rim brake) is exactly the same geometry and they even forgot to remove the headtube winspace logo on the picture of their website. They poorly erased the down tube one too. Anyway, maybe don't try to by from them as they seem to only sell B to B, in batches of 10 or more
@@elbatch yep, although I don't make it a habit to give up that type of info.
@@gavinhornibrook1935 oh I see. Not information you can't find on the internet tho (weight weniers' forum can be useful for Chinese stuff). I would say it doesn't matter that much because they don't sell to individuals. And the main thing you get with Winspace over all the other far east brand is an excellent communication and after sale service. Don't really expect that from the OEM. The price of the SLC is definitely worth it as it is, no need to go to potentially shady sellers.
Hi Hambini, i am your YT and IG follower. I have one question. What is your recommend aluminium bike i can buy right now? Thanks in advance 🙏
I bought a R11 Yoeleo bike. Just wondering if you can tell me your opinion. I've heard their comparable. I like what you said about the Winspace SLC 2.0. Maybe the owner of a R11 could tell me.
Interesting. I wanted to build myself a lightweight bike for a particular event and chose for the Yoeleo R11 (rim brake). I had various difficulties in getting hold of one and switched to a Winspace SLC 2.0. Absolutely no regrets. I love the Winspace - the best bike I've owned.
do you have an affiliate link for the princess blanket? I need the exact one for my special activities to catch any excess grease. cheers
I'm afraid not
Is this frame suitable for heavy riders? (110kg)
Looks like that feeler gauge went under the lip where the chainstay joins the bb shell.
is it a 25min out of focus video? Im at 6:33 and I don't think i saw the frame yet ;)
4:47 looks like there is a big gap/void in the wall towards the front of the head tube??
But is winspace actually manufactring the frames? Seems like they just buy speeder sc-r48d frames and put their names on it, no?
what did kps wheels do? i remember the review wasn't too bad
Finally some quality with a reasonable price.
So if this bike needs the BB replaced in the future, can the aluminum tube you pressed in stay there and press only the bearings themselves in and out?
Yes
wasnt a fan of disc brake bikes.. but because of booked a new Ultegra di2 and it came several months later then price has dropped a significant amount... reluctantly went with a disc brake SLC instead. feels really good on climb and rolling routes.. but needs a lil bit effort on flat.
No one:
Aged 5 video intro: -ELLO HAMBINI FANS!!!!
What kind of frame should I look for if I'm a very heavy bastard and I want to have it as a commuter bike but also for long gravel rides and multiday bikepacking? Should I skip carbon and go for a titanium or steel frame or is a good quality aluminium frame going to be safe anyway?
Check out Leonard M. Lee’s YT channel. He has videos on the types of frames are better for heavier riders.
Go steel. It's the safest material. Titanium is just fancy and nothing more. Don't forget to sprawy automotive corrosion preventer into it. Watch for good regular looking welds when buying. Don't buy any frame with buffed up welds.
@@rosomak8244 I would also add, make sure your rims have enough spokes, especially in the rear.
Two issues with the SLC. The bottle cage bolts on the seat tube are too high. Makes keeping a full size bottle in that cage a little akward. The entry point for the rear brake cable in the top tube is on the wrong side for the UK configuration. Almost a year on this frame and these are the only faults I can find.
There are some people that claim that Hambini is in bed with Winspace. I’m not buying it. This dude only cares about precision and is brutally honest.