FIFTH WHEEL FIST FIGHT!! Cougar vs Montana High Country Keystone Full Time RV Comparison
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The comparison videos are by far my favorite!! I like understanding the main differences for the price.
Awesome! Thank you! I'll be doing more once the weather warms back up
I've seen the video that compares the ful Cougar to the Jayco Eagle HT, but can you do a video that compares the Cougar to a full Eagle?
I have plans to continue this series... *once the weather warms up* :)
Looking for the high country vs full Monty video
Haylett RV's video on High Country Montana Vs Full Montana: ua-cam.com/video/Ht5NiaaG_50/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/Ht5NiaaG_50/v-deo.html
Looks like TWO folks beat me to it!!
Technology is good. Until it fails. Hence I prefer turning things off and on without having to pull out my phone or wait for the screen to come on. Technology = more things to go wrong. I’m looking at the High Country because we’ll be full-timing for a couple of years or so, tootling around North America.
Drop frame and associated storage is always the answer. 😁
How about comparison between Half ton and full cougar
I'll have plenty more as soon as the weather warms back up :)
Thanks for this video. I was wondering about the differences.
Glad it was helpful!
Shopping for a fifth wheel now, love Josh, leaning towards the cougar right now. Thank you for all the great details. Hope to do business with you guys. Gil
I hope so too!
Zero G for steps is critical, I have the steps like on that Cougar and it came down and fractured my finger, after 2 months still can barely use it. That should be standard on all steps.
Wow!! Ouch
Great video! Thanks for this one. Still leaning towards Montana.
Good choice!
Thank you for your hard work!
My pleasure!
The three I’m looking at in 5th wheels are Montana high country, cougar, and eagle. (Not in that order) Awesome video bro! Btw your impression of hulk hogan is spot on! 😀
HULKAMANIA BROTHER
I recently bought a Cougar 34TSB because of your videos and love it. I wonder what the difference between the Cougar and the outback.
I do love your videos and they are awesome
Cougar and Outback are largely lateral offerings (if looking at the upper-tier Outback). Really just a matter of features that vary
Love both the Cougar and the Montana High Country. My wife likes the Mid Bunks. Are manufacturers going to make more mid bunks?
Man there’s a bunch of them out here from nearly every fifth wheel maker
Higher frontal also means more wind resistance and lower fuel economy. Don't forget cross winds also. Just remember your tow vehicle and your abilities.
Another great comparison vid. Not mentioned, maybe, is that Cougar slides have finished sides; Mont. HC are painted black. I thought that was a big deal until I noticed the Lagacy Montana also has black sides on the slide. Sooo,,,,,. ??
I like the cougar both are nice we have a 2021 keystone passport SL 268 bh but I would like to go fifth wheel I have a 2500 HD Chevy witch it good for 16,000 on fifth wheel so the 29 cougar would be nice for my truck
Montana Legacy.
I'm a Cougar kid!
Josh, thank you SO MUCH for all of your videos. I hope Bish's is paying you well! You are my favorite RV UA-camr. You don't leave anything out...and your sense of humor is just icing on the cake. Really, thank you for all the info and in a very fun, exciting way. I can't wait to finally buy a fifth wheel and go glamping!
TY Stacey :)
Control Panel has its own cabinet in a High Country I noticed. The Cougar didn't. I don't think I have an actual favorite between these 2. It's Really hard for me to go Against a Montana, because I like the features they Include Standard instead of Upgrades. Thanks. Good one.
You know your products! I appreciate the comparisons. Sorry Mi is so far from NM. I always wonder if there are different grades of tank heaters? And I was glad you said the Cougars do come with authentic leveling jacks because it looked like the horrible pine one like are on my 2013 Eagle. Wish it was 4 seasons so much storage space.
You are right about tech my 2016 Cougar 29res that I traded in on 2022 377fl mon high con. Had a better tec package
team Cougar!!!
Fifth wheels. In your opinion what is the best couples living at or under 33 feet? I would love to see some comparisons. Thank you.
Maybe I missed it (though I did just replay the video a second time at 2x speed, which is freaky), but I don't think you addressed cargo carrying capacity, which is somewhat front of mind for me at present. The Cougar 316RLS gives up almost 700 lbs to the 330RL. Pretty much across the board, "comparable" Cougars give up a lot of CCC.
I wasn't comparing specific models, so that wasn't a consistent metric I could put side by side. You'll see it fluctuate between them both
Thanks for the excellent explanation. Stay safe and healthy.
Team cougar
We love your videos-appreciate your honesty, humor, and extensive sharing of info people like us need and don’t always realize! . When we purchase our 2nd for FT living, we plan to come to Haylett. Thanks for continuing to be a stellar and entertaining spokesperson. Hope to meet you in 2022!
We look forward to having you join our #HaylettNation!
Hi Josh, love your videos. But why don't they use independent suspension? People are posting all the time now leaf springs shackles or the word at the frame breaking. I'm in alot of rv groups and they post pictures of suspension failures.
That's also an exceptionally low minority with the posts -- important to keep the frame of reference. If everyone posted every time their suspension DIDN'T break, then imagine the flood. It's relative ;)
Josh if I could find something in
Your used inventory similar to the
Cougar here, in a pull behind
Camper I'd like to get one. Once
I win the Lottery Really nuce 5th wheels though
Here's a Used FW list on our site bit.ly/2Y31mP4
That link will live-update. Keep an eye on it to see your dream rig roll thru :)
Josh, I love the way you do these videos, the honesty you project is sincere, the information you give between them whether good or not so good, and also the variety you have. Especially the comedy. Wish I knew about you before we bought our Redwood in late 2014. Thank for doing what you seem to love doing!!!!!!
Thx for watching. Tip your waitress lol
I love these comparison videos, thanks for your honest perspective of all the brands you sell. We are satisfied Jayco owners, if and when we are in the market again we will visit Haylett Rv.
My parents just upgraded from our 2011 Cougar High Country 296BHS. Since the kids (me) are in college they decided to get a couples RV and got a 2021 Montana High Country 295RL.
That 295RL is a *terrific* model! Quickly became one of the most popular montanas out there
I like Cougar, Wife likes Montana. Wife wins. Happy Wife Happy Like. We both love your channel and Appreciate all the Data points you provide.
Awesome! Thank you!
Awesome content, I just purchased a 2022 Cougar 316RLS it was plenty for the wife and I, my decision was based on your recent review on the 316RLS, looking forward to our first trip . Thank you for doing such a great job covering each RV you show.
Wow congrats! I'd love it if you dropped my name in a quick review at bit.ly/3KVCtf2 in return for the efforts since they seemed to be useful for you! Would really appreciate it :)
Our 2008 Keystone Everest has so many of these features and has been trouble free for all these years and cost thousands less than todays prices, it’s a keeper! Four slide outs, Corian counter tops, king bed and washer/dryer prepped and dropped frame. Electric space fireplace and four door fridge. Keystone made a great fifth wheel then, I hope they’re still doing a great job now.
Everest was the precursor to Alpine and definitely an underrated brand
We really enjoy your comparison videos. We are trying to figure out what to consider to replace our Outback 260FL. Tow vehicle is 2015 2500 HD gas. Any suggestions for a couples trailer/5th wheel planing on heading south for a few months.
Thanks in advance. Great channel.
Eagles / Cougars are a good place to start
Josh, you are so thorough, we really enjoy listening to your detailed descriptions. We have a Ram 2500 diesel and are torn between the Cougar 295RLS and Montana High Country 295RL (mainly for the king bed option on the Montana). Concerned about high profile and weight difference for towing with the 3/4 ton. Do you have any helpful comments?
Chances are you have more than enough towing capacity. I would guess it will come down to your vehicle's payload rating. Do you know what that is?
Love the video Josh. I also would love to see the High Counrty compared to the big boy Montana. I really enjoy watching your videos. You have a great way of telling it how it is. Your knowledge of your product is tremendous. Thank you!
Here you go! bit.ly/3yPw00e
Keep in mind this comparison series is about a year old now so it's not 100% accurate but I think still gives you a good enough general idea
Enjoyed the video. Keep 'em comin'. We just purchased a Cougar 316RLS with the OTG package. We looked at the Cougar half-ton series, the Montana High Country, and the full Montana (and some other brands) and decided on the full Cougar 316RLS. We wanted to keep the size and weight down to a reasonable level was one of our deciding factors. We camp, almost exclusively, off the grid so the Cougar 316RLS was a good choice for us. It has both roof and side solar capability and (with the OTG package) comes from the factory with roof solar panel, charge controller, and inverter already installed. The new big bathroom was a definite deal maker for us over the Cougar half-ton model we almost purchased. We would have liked a generator because of our off-grid camping style but it's difficult to get everything. And to your comment about electronics vs. switches, I'm in that category that prefers the switches over the control panel but was willing to settle when I discovered that I could use my phone to accomplish the same things (I'm pretty phone savvy). Love all of your videos Josh. They were very helpful and instrumental in our choosing the right RV for us.
Awesome, TY Steve! Please consider taking a moment to share your appreciation in a quick review at www.haylettautoandrv.com/review-us/ in return for our efforts helping you along the way!
Really appreciate the comparison videos! We have spent the past year educating ourselves as we prepare to buy in a year or two. You are our go-to guy, Josh! Your videos are SO educational! Even though we're in Oregon, we've talked about how we'd really prefer to buy directly from you, even though it would probably mean a cross-country trip!
TY Debra! :)
unfortunately live in Nevada, but love your comparison videos for trying to decide my next 5th feel in 2022.
Remember some of this will "age out" but most of what's in this video is still really current
That was an awesome video! It is exactly what I needed to see right now.
Glad it was helpful!
Really appreciated this video as both the Montana HC and Cougar are on my short list. As the proud papa of two large dogs, I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing the new Cougar 357UMR - what a brilliant concept!!
I'm intrigued, but need to see that one in person.
Geezzzz , I need you to help me pick a first time RV buy!!!! I know I need 2 bedrooms , ( for a man cave!) , And 2 bathrooms . 4 season for full time. I've considered a toy hauler for the extra bedroom. So many choices.
Yep FULL baths or would a half bath do?
Thanks for your videos..lots of info..we're looking into the Montana high county 376fl..and I was wondering how the couger compares to them..the 376fl is very unique
Hope this helps! That 376FL is extremely popular here. Our last one just rolled out recently. We have more incoming now :)
I personally looked at the 316 cougar. I didnt like the entertainment area. Otherwise it was almost purchased. Also the 366 cougar. Both these looked great online but in person i wasnt impressed. I ended purchasing 281ck monti hc. It hit me as soon as i walked in as Wow
MHC is never the wrong answer :)
I like mirrored doors in the bedroom. Smaller windows and more storage.
Again: families with more than two children-a. Sink needs bigger overhang plus 2bar stools, b. Less rear windows so a Murphy bunk . The models with front full baths Need to switch to center full & master half bath for more than just husband n wife residents.
Can you define murphy bunk for me? Or give me an example of an RV with one? It's not a phrase I hear commonly but I think I have an idea what you're referencing
We have the cougar same one displayed and we love it
Great model
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks we like it
If you watch this video and every time he says cougar you think of a middle aged women at a bar... It's 1000 times funnier.
Challenge accepted
Thank you Josh for all your knowledge of RV's & the RV industry. I have learned most everything I know of them, from you & i know I can trust what you say. There is so much misinformation out there. You are brutally honest & tell the truth about each model, a straight shooter & that is what buyers need to hear. You will not find that anywhere else on You Tube. Oh, and did I mention, you are also very entertaining.
TY Mark! I try sir :)
I love your videos, your thorough facts, and your humor. I loved the comparisons of the 2 in this video. Can you remind me the total weight on each? I will have a Dodge Hemi diesel truck and I was wondering which Cougar or Montana would be best for towing?
This was focused more on the differences between the two sub brands rather than specific models
We need specs for each unit at the start of their individual videos though
Great job
I’m going with Team Cougar
I think #TeamCougar, thanks for the comparison. I think for us, it would be choosing the one that already meets our needs and wants and is less costly. Moreover, we are really interested in the dedicated bunk room in the Cougar.
I’m assuming that if there’s a dedicated bunk room in the High Country floor plan, it would be quite a bit more.
Yeah a MHC will always run more vs. a Cougar on a comparable floor plan
But you're getting stuff for it
I like both. Going to be hard to decide. Guess I got a few years till retirement. Will have to see how they advance in the next few years. Thanks josh great comparison.I am team keystone. We really need to come out in the spring and look around at what you got. Be nice weekend get away. Thanks again
Solid plan. This video is already slightly out of date and will grow more so as they evolve
I have a 2021 Cougar 316RLS and have loved it for over a year!!!
Congrats!! Great model :)
Thank you for this as I may soon be looking for either an RV or 5th wheel.
Right now I'm just doing the research to find what would fit my wife and our son...
Ty for watching! We have thousands more videos to review as you research!
Love this! Thank you, so helpful as we’re super newbies to the world of RVs.
Glad it was helpful! I have over 6,000 videos on this channel for you. PLENTY to enjoy! :)
I prefer the Full Montana. If being full time or park the difference is worth the price.
I think that's one of the major lines between them really
Full Timer / heavy users will tend to gravitate toward a Montana
Part time / Casual users will tend to lean to the Cougar
Not always. But commonly
These comparison videos are awesome!! Very informative and enjoyable. Please keep them up. Also enjoy hearing about how solar is becoming more and more useful
Thank you! I had to pause the series due to a lack of on hand options for comparison
Once things stabilize I hope to resume the series
No good for us - vents in the floor - deal breaker
Thank you!! We love the comparison videos ☺️
Glad you like them!
Love this because I thinking about trading up to the high Country and this video was helpful
We'd love the opportunity to work with you in return for our efforts when you're ready!
Great descriptions of the differences! Whenever I have a question on anything related to campers I always check out your channel.
Awesome! Thank you!
I might want to come your way to buy. Do you have a link of inventory? What are the prices for the Cougar and the High Country in the video?
Link here bit.ly/2JPDSt2
Our site has pricing for anything in stock though we are really depleted currently
Our team at 800-256-5196 can get you figures for anything else!
Thank you Josh. One of the top videos I have seen. A fine job. I was just curious why you didn't mention the Grand Design line in the top 3. But, we have also been following Cougars in the RV park where we are working.. I like the Cougars. But, with our upgrade from a small 24-foot Jayco Whitehawk / 1/2 ton Silverado to a 5th wheel and 3/4 ton, we are trying to keep the length down to 30-32 feet and weight within 12k. What is your experience with the Solitude and Reflections 5th wheels?
When I made this I didn’t yet have access to grand design rvs and it’s hard to offer comparisons for something not side by side
Reflection, eagle, cougar, avenue are all pretty head to head
They each do some great features. I personally _currently_ give cougar a slight nod
I have a few videos of reflection and solitude you can enjoy here on the channel
Love your video reviews and information. Would definitely buy a trailer from you if we lived closer.
.*cough*.*cough*.*coughwedelivertoocough*.
We have the Big Cat..2016 Keystone Cougar 327RES 5th wheel
Lovin' it!! It is our 3rd Keystone RV..& loved all 3
Always liked that model
We chose that floorplan because it mimicked our 2013 Keystone Passport UltraLite Elite 31RE TT
These videos are extremely informative! Please keep doing them.
Thanks, will do!
Though I have this comparison series on hold until the weather warms up a bit.
Hopefully this summer I can get back to it!
I had a BUNCH pre-recorded to hopefully get thru most of the cold months though. There's still a few more to come!
I'm team Montana! But I do like the Cougars too. Good video Josh.
Good choice!
Love them both and they'll have my consideration when the time comes, but I wish they'd step it up to the Jayco standard and be whisper ducted throughout.
Love these comparison videos. Lots of work on your part. Thank you.
It really is but folks seem to have really appreciated them
When we can get back to more inventory in stock I will be able to crank out some more of these
You do an aswesome job! You're a fun character that makes these videos that much better.
Well thankya mister :)
My husband doesn’t mind the tech but I’d rather just push a button.
I feel the same ty
Love the comparison!
very good, the exact models I'm looking into
Hope this was helpful then! :)
You answered tons of questions for me! Thanks!
Our pleasure!!
Great video! What about the slide height in the living room?
Believe they're both 6'6" but I'd need to verify. About 99% sure on that one though
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thanks! I'm 6'2" and some, like Reflections, are just low enough to bang my head.
@@kevinkidney7923 Hmm.. I was in some of the bigger reflections recently and don't recall that being an issue but I'm also not sure I specifically stepped into the slide to check so it's possible I just didn't notice.
TY for the head's up (or head's DOWN? lol).
I'll check that next time I'm out
@@JoshtheRVNerd I may have been remembering a reflection 150 series, so take my comment with a grain of salt...They all run together.
@@kevinkidney7923 buddy.. I 100% know what you mean. I THOUGHT I had a good bead on things when I was making these videos for Haylett's. I knew our inventory inside and out
Now.. with so many NEW things flying at me all at once?
Holy cow. It's overwhelming.
Really enjoy the comparison videos!
More to come! (Once it gets warmer that is!)
MHC it is for the next RV... really enjoyed the comparison. Just wish they had azdel siding.
Keystone has tested it & found similar results to Rockwood where they dislike the strength loss you experience on a larger model. Azdel is awesome, but has a lower shear strength vs. lauan.
@@JoshtheRVNerd doesn’t Coachmen use azdel in their 5th wheels? How do they make it “work”?
@@josho.7557 They do on ½ the wall - like a freedom express. Helps retain some strength while providing some of the benefit of azdel.
This complicates MFGs production though, so many brands have not adopted that process.
Coachmen is basically the original user of azdel in the rv business and I think their experience in that area helps make the difference.
There's no difference both are GREAT
They're super similar for sure - where it counts at least
Both brands have since had some updates. The lines are frankly even blurrier
Nice job on explaining both units!!
Thank you Karl! Which would you prefer??
I like the Montana.
Team Montana!!!
Montana sounds more full-time prepared
You're not wrong. High Country is starting to move more into that maybe mobile / maybe full time / maybe stationary segment
Thanks for another great video, Josh!!
Thanks again!
I liked the rounded island of the couger
Ty
Hi, most informative. For overall style I prefer the Cougar, but for functionality the Montana might be better; esp if a built-in generator is wanted (how about an outdoor kitchenette-BBQ?). Are both available in a standard plainer/metallic indoor finish (I'm not a fan of 'country-style' furnishings)?
The “looks” they have are all that’s offered at this time
What model # cougar is this?
I think I'm mostly standing in one of these:
• 316RLS: ua-cam.com/video/FJQjf1jbrDI/v-deo.html
• 355FBS: ua-cam.com/video/DdPSv1reUbs/v-deo.html
The video isn't really about specific models but mostly the things that define the two brands in general though
As soon as I win the lottery, I’ll be stopping by. Great shows!
lol I'll hold you to it!
Going to start holding my breath right....... NOW!
@@JoshtheRVNerd I really do enjoy your videos. Idaho may not be next door, but I may make a trip to meet you anyway. You would make a good Idahoan. ;-)thanks
What’s the difference in pin weights
Varies by model naturally. This isn't a video hard targeting two specific layouts. We include specs (including hitch weight) in each of our videos you may find useful
Is Bisch’s /In with Hallet.
Hi Roger! TY for all the visits
Haylett RV was my family's store here in Coldwater, Michigan
My dad wanted to retire. Neither myself nor my brother wanted to run the whole show. So, we found a group with which we felt good partnering in Bish's RV
But as you can see other than changing my hat and shirt i'm still here doing the same thing I've always done
More info as to why here: ua-cam.com/video/gXfpY5eDtv8/v-deo.html
Like to see Toy haulers Comparison
Best insulated ,Towing ,best bang for our hard earned bucks.
TY for the idea. Once it warms up I'll be resuming this series of comparison videos
Josh I believe the Montana High Country has a 12 gallon water heater compared to Cougars 6 gallon. I could be wrong but I do love my showers! I loved the videos. I get in trouble watching them so much. Those are the 2 trailers we are looking to buy. Retirement in 6 months so we want to get the perfect one. Thanks again for the great videos
10gal on MHC (though I think they USED to use 12's)
MFGs found 10 and 12gal gas/elec water heaters recharged the same gallons per hour, so 12gal units were largely phased out.
Great job, this was exactly what I was looking for
Glad I could help! This is now a bit dated but still MOSTLY holds up
Cougars are now stackable W/D prepped btw
Wow, did not expect a reply, you're amazing 👍
Chassis frame, wall and roof structures still the same between the two? (other than the drop down frame in the Montana)
yep yep! @@russellnt
So tell me, Josh. How many people do you see come through who bought a rig and realized my dang... I should have gotten that one instead and come to you to trade off to the unit they really want within a couple months of buying the first rig??? 🤔
With as many RVs as we sell I see a little bit of everything pretty consistently
Love these comparisons!!
Good to know! I have a few more coming out out and will resume recording them once the weather warms back up!
Is there any difference in the wall construction between the Cougar & the MHC, how thick are the exterior and interior walls.
Only the flooring as mentioned in the video