American Reacts to Basketball Fans and Atmosphere USA vs Europe

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  • @Andry-og1bo
    @Andry-og1bo 2 роки тому +7921

    In the USA. sport is business, in europe it is passion

    • @elmyra_duff
      @elmyra_duff 2 роки тому +113

      So true

    • @scottirvine121
      @scottirvine121 2 роки тому +103

      Kind of business too tbh but secondary

    • @simplestep2971
      @simplestep2971 2 роки тому +20

      That’s a fact

    • @joseps304050
      @joseps304050 2 роки тому +123

      southamerica thinks the same about europe, the real passion is here in south america

    • @josephjr9877
      @josephjr9877 2 роки тому

      Yeah no, fans got nothing to do with the sports being business, association makes sports business, USA fanas just not fun or if you trying to do some crazy shit like that you'll end up out of the game🤷🏻‍♂️ but in every sports exist passion and business, UEFA is a big ass mafia and business, they don't rule Europe because they have passion for the sport👀

  • @eisregen72
    @eisregen72 Рік тому +587

    Greece and Serbia, so much energy and passion. Love it.

  • @butterflyeffect6065
    @butterflyeffect6065 2 роки тому +4031

    It's always so funny seeing people outside of Europe reacting on how batshit crazy we go

    • @bankoleojo114
      @bankoleojo114 2 роки тому +55

      In all honesty y'all passion is something else as well as it's Beautiful the clubs belong to the fans
      I respect such zeal and fire
      Keep it up

    • @Dvshti
      @Dvshti 2 роки тому +61

      more like people from the united states specifically, they can't fathom the intensity of what goes on around the world.

    • @mandranmagelan9430
      @mandranmagelan9430 2 роки тому +23

      lol, there is a reason why the world wars were an european thingy... :-)

    • @yep.1106
      @yep.1106 2 роки тому +12

      @@bankoleojo114 You'll be more shocked that most teams after awin are actually commonly found in the local clubs just singing, drinking and spending wime with fans with no security 🤣

    • @TheN3ckol
      @TheN3ckol 2 роки тому +5

      @@mandranmagelan9430 uhm, most conflicts are with usa at 1 side f it. Many of them are started by usa.
      Sure, both ww started in europe :) but these are not the only conflicts

  • @Penadimorte
    @Penadimorte Рік тому +207

    At the end of a NBA match, one reporter asked Jokic, " How do you handle the crowd pressure? " He smiled and said; "Hey man, I played in Europe, this is nothing for me" :D

    • @giuseppecorona75
      @giuseppecorona75 Рік тому +16

      Crowd pressure...the useless "dee-fense, dee-fense" or other stuff...

    • @vaskepavlovic2777
      @vaskepavlovic2777 3 місяці тому +20

      He played in Serbia brother

    • @guccimane60
      @guccimane60 3 місяці тому +8

      he said in serbia but whatever

    • @emes3211
      @emes3211 15 днів тому +1

      @@guccimane60 serbia is in europe ;D

  • @tuijakantola6550
    @tuijakantola6550 2 роки тому +2759

    In all of these comperisons that I have seen, it seems like the US needs music to do something. Whilst in Europe, the fans are the music.

    • @farajasimon
      @farajasimon 2 роки тому +31

      Facts😂

    • @BouncingCow
      @BouncingCow 2 роки тому +60

      I have noticed something similar in during my time in the US. Mind you it was college sports i attended there. But I got the feeling that in Europe the atmosphere is create by the fans, in particular the "ultras" (hardcore fans) with drums, singing etc. throughout the game, while in the US the viewers get their excitment by a show from down the field (noise measurements, cheerleaders, athem, celebs)

    • @cavaleermountaineer3839
      @cavaleermountaineer3839 2 роки тому +16

      Yeah, basketball here doesn't have a musical element, and the pyrotechnics would never happen. The fire marshall would be like...."Come with me sir." I think the difference is Euro soccer, more alcohol and the centuries old hatred between the cities and countries. lol. Football here has more of those elements but still not that much. It makes a difference when the City is the identity, not necessarily the team. Our cities aren't old enough and have had too much change/growth/ new people moving in and others leaving.

    • @linsch1064
      @linsch1064 2 роки тому +16

      @@cavaleermountaineer3839 Well in european sports or at least in germany the pyros are also very very banned but ultras just sneak them in anyways and in most cases its not really the cities but the fans for example the clubs in the ruhrpott in germany like schalke bochum etc. are just tradition bc back in the day all the miners went to the games in their free time which developed culture its more of the workers culture then the cities

    • @86monjasophie86
      @86monjasophie86 2 роки тому +2

      The same in Fußball ⚽ 😁❤️🙌🏻That makes so fun to sing and make party hihi

  • @christianlenik5307
    @christianlenik5307 Рік тому +62

    5:10 "We got the Wave, bruh" 😂😂😂😂 and then Comes Aris

    • @Netscape-kd6mg
      @Netscape-kd6mg Місяць тому +3

      officialcammm: we got the wave bruh!!
      europe fans: that's cute. we got the earthquake. 😈😎

  • @pb2808.
    @pb2808. 2 роки тому +2170

    IN GREECE, you CAN change your religion more EASILY than you can change your team. The BALKAN fans are the most passionate fans, not only in all of EU but also in the whole world. I WISH every fan in the world to be given the opportunity to be in front of this spectacle and to feel the passion of the stands.

    • @imbol89
      @imbol89 2 роки тому +75

      Same in Poland, sooo true. I could tell my friends that I converted from catholic to orthodox and probably they would just nod their heads with confusion. But I don't even want to imagine reactions if I told them that I stopped supporting our beloved team and support other team now. Anger, calling me by names such as traitor, banishment from the social life or even beating.

    • @OriginalPuro
      @OriginalPuro 2 роки тому +4

      No one gives a flying frog about religion anyway, we all know it's fantasy stuff.
      A football team however, that is 100% real.

    • @dirtyharry3074
      @dirtyharry3074 2 роки тому +7

      @@imbol89 ...what if you tell them that you converted from catholicism to islam?

    • @abcc7404
      @abcc7404 2 роки тому +10

      If your Fan Support ist bigger then Religion your are Not Christian my word from croatia Religion First my greece Christian Brother remember that

    • @Driokolaptis24
      @Driokolaptis24 2 роки тому +13

      Πήγαινε μια βόλτα από Αργεντινή-Μεξικο-Κολομβια και ξαναελα....

  • @acesvaba330
    @acesvaba330 Рік тому +29

    Balkan games in general are super loud and lit. But greeks and serbs take that to another level. You can't imagine that, you need to see it to believe it.

  • @adamristic2822
    @adamristic2822 2 роки тому +1975

    Greece and Serbia two countries where fans have still the opportunity to express themselves like this

  • @tamaratrikic
    @tamaratrikic 2 роки тому +123

    Second European video is video of Red star supporters. It is a club from Serbia, Belgrade. Their supporters carry the flags and all the banners to all the games. "Flames" are actually torches. Greece, Serbia and Turkey will give you the craziest experience on the stands.

    • @veljkovukotic3858
      @veljkovukotic3858 Рік тому +8

      I absolutely agree, Serbs, Greeks, Turks are the most passionate nations in Europe!!!!!!

    • @veljkovukotic3858
      @veljkovukotic3858 Рік тому +3

      I absolutely agree, Serbs, Greeks, Turks are the most passionate nations in Europe!!!!!!

  • @SkataKPonos
    @SkataKPonos 2 роки тому +843

    Fan fact: If the Bucks come to play in Greece for a couple of games, that would be the first time that any US citizen gets to witness what real fans are capable off. Just imagine, the Bucks and Giannis playing against any team in a Greek stadium. That would be EPIC!!!

    • @suliahmed2907
      @suliahmed2907 2 роки тому +1

      Why Bucks specifically

    • @giannisv.4472
      @giannisv.4472 2 роки тому +87

      ​@@suliahmed2907 bucks most known nba team in greece because of giannis

    • @kraventimes
      @kraventimes 2 роки тому +58

      @@suliahmed2907 because Giannis is from Greece

    • @giorgoskountourgiannis8230
      @giorgoskountourgiannis8230 2 роки тому +12

      We are not passionated about milwaukee bucks

    • @filipzugec8346
      @filipzugec8346 2 роки тому +2

      @@giorgoskountourgiannis8230 hahaha😂

  • @СлађанаВ
    @СлађанаВ 2 роки тому +21

    Players like that atmosphere. In Serbia, even those American players learn our songs and sing with fans.

  • @C-Worx
    @C-Worx 2 роки тому +459

    Then thing is: They didnt practice any kind of choreography. Everybody know the songs, they watch the things other guys do... and then they react. It´s an organic thing. No cheography needed, just passion that infects everybody!

    • @98091238
      @98091238 2 роки тому +38

      we learnt the songs as kids just waiting for our time to go to the stadiums

    • @alexandermills9965
      @alexandermills9965 2 роки тому +16

      Ultra - From father to son

    • @TatjanaGnjidic
      @TatjanaGnjidic 2 роки тому +2

      Exactly

    • @addictedonhiphop
      @addictedonhiphop 9 місяців тому

      @@98091238 Exactly like that friend.🤝

    • @VichenteH
      @VichenteH 6 місяців тому

      Good point my guy! In USA is all staged

  • @NeverNotHoopin
    @NeverNotHoopin 2 роки тому +71

    When you asked where was that, Turkey. No, it was in Serbia and Crvena Zvezda Beograd/Red Star Belgrade played. In Euroleague games fans always cheer like this so nobody can hear the Euroleague anthem.
    Another fact is that in Europe official fan clubs have a word to say when it comes to club´s structure. But the most important fact is that in Europe the club means everything to the fans. We don´t watch the games just to be seen, we watch the games because we love the club and in a lot of cases the love for the club is passed from parents to their children

    • @vasilijebirovljeviii1030
      @vasilijebirovljeviii1030 Рік тому +8

      This is 100% true. I'm a big delija (Crvena Zvezda fan) and I chose Crvena Zvezda because my grandpa and uncle are also huge delijas. Lot's of my friends also chose the team they root for because their father and/or grandpa are also big fans.

  • @singularity679
    @singularity679 2 роки тому +376

    We are very passionate about sport, best fans are in Greece, Serbia, Italy and Turkey. Matches are wild, many people from around the world come only to feel that atmosphere.

    • @abcc7404
      @abcc7404 2 роки тому +2

      Sta je sa torcida BBB molim te nemoj Bit takav😅😅😅

    • @johnb4593
      @johnb4593 Рік тому

      Have you seen Swedish fans? Shit is crazy there

    • @mlrd2687
      @mlrd2687 Рік тому +22

      @@johnb4593 All fans in Europe are good, but by far the craziest are Serbs, Greeks and Turks. It's not safe to go to their games.

    • @ultraszdr
      @ultraszdr Рік тому +2

      Polish fans hooligans !

    • @giorgiosmy4080
      @giorgiosmy4080 11 місяців тому

      Νοt in Milan though 😂

  • @Paranoid_Dancer
    @Paranoid_Dancer 2 роки тому +9

    The game Red Star Belgrade vs CSKA in Belgrade was officially the loudest game in history of FIBA , and the official greeting to visitor clubs is :"Welcome to hell"

  • @dimitriskallimasias864
    @dimitriskallimasias864 2 роки тому +481

    Aris - (Thessaloniki,Greece) , RedStar - (Serbia), Panathinaikos- (Athens, Greece) (these were the teams shown in your video in order)

    • @frankverschaetzing
      @frankverschaetzing 2 роки тому +9

      Should be top comment

    • @NeverNotHoopin
      @NeverNotHoopin 2 роки тому +25

      Red Star - Belgrade SRBIJA

    • @ТихомирАлексиев-к4р
      @ТихомирАлексиев-к4р 2 роки тому +7

      Red star sounds "(Ts)Crvena Zvezda" , like if Tsitsipas was inscript Cicipas. In Bulgaria we say Цървена Звезда or "Carvena Zvezda". Legendary team. Delije or Делье, or Делие, the name of the fan club on the ribon, come from turkish word "deli" - mad.

    • @muhammadazmihafizharahman8802
      @muhammadazmihafizharahman8802 2 роки тому +3

      and those mentioned clubs also have their own history in u.e.f.a. football champions league

    • @igorigor6014
      @igorigor6014 2 роки тому +9

      @@ТихомирАлексиев-к4р In old serbian language delija means soldier. Now that word means good, brave, strong guy

  • @explic2436
    @explic2436 2 роки тому +10

    Same thing in concerts. Americans go to watch the artist sing, we sing to the artist :)

  • @oscarparedes4033
    @oscarparedes4033 2 роки тому +408

    USA has teams, but Europe have clubs. In Europe if you’re a fan of the club, you go to all the games (soccer and basketball).

    • @innosanto
      @innosanto 2 роки тому +35

      And if you are hardcore fan you go to all sports also volleyball, water polo and other

    • @oscarparedes4033
      @oscarparedes4033 2 роки тому +53

      @@innosanto and you fight your rival club in the streets.

    • @samuelpinder1215
      @samuelpinder1215 2 роки тому +1

      @@innosanto my city only has a football team. well it has a bunch of amateur teams from other sports

    • @alexhub6075
      @alexhub6075 2 роки тому +3

      @@oscarparedes4033 no this is very immature my buddy lost his eye when he was fighting in the street and I broke both of my hands…it is fun until it is not

    • @hannajung7512
      @hannajung7512 2 роки тому +1

      yeah, the only thing that is even slightly compareable to what clubs mean in Europe is maybe college football. The vibe there is completely different from the NFL.

  • @TheLoneWolfGR
    @TheLoneWolfGR 2 роки тому +65

    The first vid is from ARIS THESSALONIKI and their fans are pure madness. The second is between Red Star ( Serbia) & Olympiakos ( Greece) and these 2 teams are like brothers so the atmosphere is magical. You cannot distinguish the fans cause they re both red colors and they are sitting together mixed like brothers.

    • @gvogia
      @gvogia Рік тому +7

      YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT ARIS... BUT RED STAR IS PLAYING AGAINST CSKA

    • @Def13.
      @Def13. Рік тому +5

      Για τον παναθηναικο ούτε κουβέντα, ε;;;

    • @Xottapchenko
      @Xottapchenko Рік тому +1

      ⁠@@gvogiaSerbian and Russian football and basketball teams even have “pobratimy” (brother teams) in their code, and some Russian fans are as crazy as Serbian fans, because Serbians like us. I’ve literally had a random guy kiss me on the forehead, hug me and gimme a beer to slam with him at the bar when he found out I was Russian (he was Serbian) and we root for the same team.

    • @sasaradin3127
      @sasaradin3127 Рік тому

      Partizan fans is the best Ballkan 🖤🤍🖤🤍☦️

    • @Billswiftgti
      @Billswiftgti 10 місяців тому

      ​@@Def13.Τι να πεί ο μπουκωμένος

  • @KaiLitzenberg
    @KaiLitzenberg 2 роки тому +184

    And that's why Luka wasn't that worried about being in the spotlight as a rookie :D

    • @aliceb5209
      @aliceb5209 Рік тому +21

      and jokic said i played in serbia boo's don't affect me

  • @J2O554
    @J2O554 2 роки тому +23

    In America it’s for fun ,in Europe, it’s a way of life

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 7 місяців тому +3

      In the USA it's BUSINESS ... and ENTERTAINMENT (passively CONSUMING the product).

  • @dude8287
    @dude8287 2 роки тому +185

    "nobody tells them to stop" the most American comment ever:)))

    • @platforma1974
      @platforma1974 2 роки тому +64

      "It affects the players .." lol .. that's the whole point bro

    • @armaanhafiz
      @armaanhafiz 2 роки тому +27

      Who's gonna tell them to stop...the security 😅 they themselves just want to get home alive afterwards

    • @Vollification
      @Vollification 11 місяців тому +25

      @@armaanhafiz Never mind security, in some matches they have cops fully decked out in riot gear with batons, helmets and shields. They won't tell them to "stop", they are just there to make sure both sides don't kill eachother.

    • @bsobocan
      @bsobocan 10 місяців тому +5

      Why in God's name would they have to stop?

    • @FM-qk3sg
      @FM-qk3sg 9 місяців тому +5

      They were told over the loudspeakers to turn off the smoke/fire, otherwise the team will be penalized ( some fine or the next match closed for fans) .

  • @alexandermills9965
    @alexandermills9965 2 роки тому +16

    Ultra - from father to son.
    No matter what the sport is, we are always there

  • @Bukoe
    @Bukoe 2 роки тому +227

    in the US sport is entertainment for people .. in the EU is close to Tribal warfare with some regulation :P

    • @jakubantal2546
      @jakubantal2546 2 роки тому +5

      ​@@gku8744 soviets invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, there was a legendary game in 1969 where Czechoslovakia had to win to send the message and we did. (2:0) It was played in Sweden. No idea where you got Colorado from..

    • @dannyk2014
      @dannyk2014 2 роки тому +5

      No regulation in Greece . It’s literally life or death in Greece . Love that country

    • @marceelino
      @marceelino 2 роки тому

      @@gku8744 Czechoslovaks. Please do not forget the other nation as well.

  • @Kockica23
    @Kockica23 10 місяців тому +14

    All Ortodox Brothers 🇷🇸🇷🇺🇬🇷

  • @armindopires7743
    @armindopires7743 2 роки тому +136

    In Europe is diferent, you can change the car, job, apartment, even your woman, but you can´t never, ever, ever, change club, is inerate in your identity.

    • @harristv2502
      @harristv2502 2 роки тому +6

      Big true bro!!!! You can change everything, but not your team

    • @tellurius4951
      @tellurius4951 2 роки тому

      Changing your club. Bro, ngl, I will prefer to cut my pnis off

    • @dannyk2014
      @dannyk2014 2 роки тому +9

      Very true . I changed my wife , and got a new job a few months ago. But I will never change supporting Panathinaikos !!!

    • @angelad.campell
      @angelad.campell 2 роки тому +3

      So true...can change everything but my club.

    • @bouse23
      @bouse23 4 місяці тому

      the old joke is that a man will abandon his wife and children but never his club

  • @nasosgr
    @nasosgr 2 роки тому +48

    in the USA with the ticket they give you a pillow and in Europe you can choose between a flare or a cane.HELLAS🇬🇷, EUROPE 🇪🇺, PANATHINAIKOS☘️

  • @ourfarmhouseinspain
    @ourfarmhouseinspain 2 роки тому +296

    Can you imagine the feelings of one half of a stadium of American fans facing the other half filled with international fans from Europe ? Couldn't cope, could they ? You ask ' how can they allow this ? ' A better question is how could they stop it ?

    • @alexteme4
      @alexteme4 2 роки тому +13

      D*mn I like both the idea of the half and half fans and the last question. They surely can't stop them easily either peacefully!

    • @ourfarmhouseinspain
      @ourfarmhouseinspain 2 роки тому +10

      @@alexteme4 I'd expect the European fans to be loud - very loud probably - but it is all a game of intimidation, isn't it ? For American fans intimidating the opposing team, they're stuck between throwing more confetti or a faster Mexican wave. Or both, perhaps. Just outclassed by people for whom their team is their very lives.

    • @Kreditz404
      @Kreditz404 2 роки тому +2

      @@ourfarmhouseinspain Check the practice matches from Barca vs NY Red Bulls, most fans you see / hear are the Barca fans

    • @ourfarmhouseinspain
      @ourfarmhouseinspain 2 роки тому +7

      @@Kreditz404 There just seems to be a different level of commitment from the fans, doesn't there ? I've some exposure to American sporting events, and I've found the fans to be moderately enthusiastic - and polite, perhaps - but European fans live the game on a daily basis as you know. What was the comparison ? American football is like going to the library, western European football is passion incarnate, eastern European football is like inner city warfare. Still, there are worse ways to spend a Saturday ..... Regards

    • @VulkanRaven1
      @VulkanRaven1 2 роки тому +16

      European fans would wipe the floor with the American fans easily. Europeans are singing about their team being their family, their love, their religion, their passion while Americans are mostly yelling "defense, defense!"

  • @silenoz666
    @silenoz666 2 роки тому +9

    Back in the day, winning in Greece, former Yugoslavia or Turkey, often resulted in the fans throwing all kinds of objects to the court, often injuring the visiting team or the referees.

  • @myopi
    @myopi 2 роки тому +187

    US sports is kinda cute.. There's always a cancer sick kid and a war veteran, who gets a pair of smelly shoes and a Michael Jackson type entertaining in the halftime.
    In Europe it is passion and way of life - We wave our flags and support our teams by chanting.

    • @duckeh1952
      @duckeh1952 2 роки тому +6

      Unfortunately it can also get violent in Europe. I once went to watch hockey game, was wearing visitor's jersey and won. Home team supporters threw rocks at us after the game.

    • @osepjodep7620
      @osepjodep7620 2 роки тому +19

      @@duckeh1952 It´s your fault. At home you will not go to crips territory wearing a red bandana either :-)

    • @daviddieudonne7829
      @daviddieudonne7829 2 роки тому +9

      @@duckeh1952 you watched hockey in Europe?
      Bro, hockey ain’t a famous sport here, unless in Scandinavia and Russia.
      First and by far, it’s football (soccer ), then probably basketball , if you already got scared at hockey, don’t go to a football match wearing rival colors.

    • @nurdiesge9547
      @nurdiesge9547 2 роки тому +1

      @@duckeh1952 paok Ring of fire look it.

    • @fortnitetrashcan8308
      @fortnitetrashcan8308 2 роки тому

      @@daviddieudonne7829 czechia aswell

  • @Jurassicgames9779
    @Jurassicgames9779 Рік тому +5

    When I was at a basketball game with my friend (we live in Scotland) when the home team came out our stand collapsed from the jumping

  • @kellykozyraki7969
    @kellykozyraki7969 2 роки тому +165

    I smirk every time they say that European players are soft. Try playing in this type of arena. Visiting team fans are usually banned. Also, the first and last games were in Greece

    • @leosedf
      @leosedf 2 роки тому +8

      Especially Greek fans are strong. Greece is a Basketball power anyway.

    • @stalfithrildi5366
      @stalfithrildi5366 Рік тому +2

      No visiting fans at all? Away days are the best thing about football, be gutted to not get them if I was this passionate about basketball

    • @konaek21v
      @konaek21v 8 місяців тому +1

      @@stalfithrildi5366 in greece away fans are also banned in football

    • @kostispetr4619
      @kostispetr4619 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@stalfithrildi5366It sucks but when both fan bases are like this, imagine how many young idiots fight with each other
      And they pull knives
      And throw things at each other
      I guess we can't have passion without the trouble that comes with it

  • @javianjohnson8746
    @javianjohnson8746 2 роки тому +4

    Lmfaooo 5:44 - 6:02 when you realized that it indeed was ACTUALLY a basketball game! 😂

  • @drigerdranzer7514
    @drigerdranzer7514 2 роки тому +49

    The jumping clip is Red Star Belgrade vs CSKA Moscow I think in the Euro League.
    The Euro League anthem is actually played at the lineup but the crowd drown it out completely.

    • @lightDaRus
      @lightDaRus 2 роки тому +2

      It was Turkish... Only airlines 😁

    • @urosbjelic5151
      @urosbjelic5151 2 роки тому +3

      @@lightDaRus it's red star

    • @lightDaRus
      @lightDaRus 2 роки тому +7

      @@urosbjelic5151 I wish you more humor and more understanding ;-)
      It's name of sponsor, was wrote on the floor, so...
      How many Turkish we can see on this floor? Answer - only airlines ;-)

    • @jovanjorgovan23
      @jovanjorgovan23 2 роки тому

      So making a noise for 60sec and then having looong periods of near silence is something impressive?! Few years into the future their attendance at Euroleague games is 5-6k spectators in total. Ridiculous.

    • @drigerdranzer7514
      @drigerdranzer7514 2 роки тому +1

      @@jovanjorgovan23 What I have understood from the Eastern European and especially the Greek clubs is that there are very few moments of silence.
      We are not that crazy in Sweden, it's only football that really stir up feelings, but here at Malmö FF, the Most Champions of Sweden we sing nonstop from the warming up to the players leave the pitch after the game.

  • @dimitris__pap
    @dimitris__pap 2 роки тому +5

    The first EUROPE fans are from ARIS of Thessaloniki Greece and the game is local derby against PAOK. Third team fans are Panathinaikos fans from Athens, one of the biggest basketball clubs in Europe.This kind of atmosfere is normal in Blalkan Peninsula.

  • @isaksidenius7059
    @isaksidenius7059 2 роки тому +109

    This is why we need a "Europe vs US" basket Ball 7 series between cities in the US and cities in Europe. Lets see if the American team can cope with this admosthere.
    And maybe then the European and international players can get the Credit they deserve as they one way of the other will carry the NBA the coming years.

    • @sbakernyc5761
      @sbakernyc5761 2 роки тому

      Carry the NBA? I love seeing the best in the world come to the NBA. Same way they do it for soccer/football. But Americans continue to dominate the league and will do so for the foreseeable future

    • @isaksidenius7059
      @isaksidenius7059 2 роки тому +11

      @@sbakernyc5761 doubt it, if you look at All the talent for the coming years the Best players Are international. If you like it or not NBA will be more international.

    • @mrpc3
      @mrpc3 2 роки тому

      Europe would get destroyed

    • @feariingz
      @feariingz Рік тому

      The best players play in USA that's unfair 😂😂😂

    • @matteogrutman9489
      @matteogrutman9489 Рік тому +1

      @@sbakernyc5761nikola jokic? Joel Embiid? Giannis Antetokounmpo? last five NBA MVP awards have been foreign players

  • @monicacarolina6480
    @monicacarolina6480 Рік тому +3

    Never thought we would be seen as crazy😂 The stadiums are build for that and the atmosphere is just awesome! THAT's passion!🥰

  • @themrkoxi8334
    @themrkoxi8334 2 роки тому +43

    "I feel like Europe got nothing on this", I nearly died laughing. Europe don't f around.🤣😂😂 The U.S. should do it, like this too!!

  • @AdebayoHanson
    @AdebayoHanson 2 роки тому +7

    Your reactions to the european fans were just hilarious. Made me laugh so hard bro 😂

  • @Opiate1987
    @Opiate1987 2 роки тому +53

    That wasn't Turkey, it was the land of your back-to-back MVP. :) That's why he's the MVP.

    • @skiddop3428
      @skiddop3428 2 роки тому +10

      Actually all these europe clips are from the lands of bk to bk mvps

    • @Opiate1987
      @Opiate1987 2 роки тому +3

      @@skiddop3428 Actually, yeah! You're right! :)

    • @YouAreTheRaidBoss
      @YouAreTheRaidBoss 2 роки тому +1

      @@skiddop3428 Ignorant Central European here. BK is basketball? Balkan? Know idea lol

    • @skiddop3428
      @skiddop3428 2 роки тому +1

      @@YouAreTheRaidBoss dont worry about it, it means "back to back" :)

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz Рік тому +3

      Shame they didn't include some Turkish fans tbh. Our Greek and Serbian brothers represented Europe well though, respect!

  • @ivanduc72
    @ivanduc72 2 роки тому +15

    In Europe our team is our passion, is our mission, is our home as fans. We bring in - in every kind of stadium: ice hockey, basketball, volleyball, football,.. - the passion, the chants, the flags,.. the match is on the field, the show is the crowd. And it's simply amazing and funny as hell. Bring this with your friends next time in the stadium. You'll see: it's contagious. All will follow.. but remember: passion is fire! ;-)

  • @leogala1402
    @leogala1402 2 роки тому +85

    In my country Greece its such an intense atmosphere in a basketball game between rivals!!! ΕΛΛΑΣ!!!!

    • @vidisfury5328
      @vidisfury5328 2 роки тому

      Hehehe gypsies

    • @duckeh1952
      @duckeh1952 2 роки тому +7

      I have to say... Greek sportfans are super crazy even on European standards.

    • @user-hb2df6nn2y
      @user-hb2df6nn2y Рік тому

      Even if you don’t have a fucking championship. There is Oly winning, Pana playing the final and all the others just playing for? Nothing more than having fan, they can’t dream. Kholossos that s good lost 39/39 games against Oly in his history...why to attend such a game? And a playoff serie Oly-Kholossos? It is boring for everyone. Oly just wait for EL games. Small teams just wait for nothing: they can’t have any goal!

  • @ciberzombiegaming8207
    @ciberzombiegaming8207 2 роки тому +6

    America have hand waves in stadiums, Europe have seismic events in stadiums

  • @Nemenvagyokna
    @Nemenvagyokna 2 роки тому +22

    EUROPE IS FREE, EUROPE LIVES FOR SPORTS, IT'S NOT A PASSION, IT'S A WAY OF LIFE. IT'S NOT CUTE, IT'S LIFE.

  • @3SeveredHeads
    @3SeveredHeads 2 роки тому +62

    "The Europeans got nothing on this...we got the wave...we lit bro.." er yeah all controlled happy clappy robots! Soz but true
    It makes me laugh at the shock, then annoyance, followed by "Is that legal!"..."id be scared!" "Look at the flares omg.." (mmm but guns are normal lol 🤔) - NOT this reaction but many ive seen, some even say they'd walk out if a player!! It's an eye opener for me...to watch how shocked americans are...
    Nice reaction ...🙃🤟🏼🇬🇧

  • @julienmarquet8612
    @julienmarquet8612 2 роки тому +5

    In USA, you get huge stadium and everything, but in Europe it's passion, BRO! They are crazy! Look at the football stadium! (what you're calling soccer)! Now, you will understand the pressure, the American players get when they come playing in Europe! It's madness! 😂👍✌️🎸🇫🇷

  • @ΤάσοςΚαυσοκαλυβίτης

    "how are they allowed this, bro?"
    You try to stop them ahahaha
    Wait till someone tell you to react to European basketball *COACHES* ahahahahah you think the fans are nuts? Wait till you see the coaches. ;)

    • @muhammadazmihafizharahman8802
      @muhammadazmihafizharahman8802 2 роки тому +3

      very american question while, in fact, guns are allowed to be carried everywhere, including if go to bar or school or deli

  • @heyshitassss
    @heyshitassss Рік тому +3

    To your question about chanting distracting the players: Yes but that's kinda the point. Your team gets fired up and the opposing side is just playing around a 130 dB loud crowd against them.

  • @Iflie
    @Iflie 2 роки тому +31

    In the U.S you bring your family, in the EU, you come for battle, especially in football. Hooligans. Win or lose they still destroy stuff.

    • @samuelpinder1215
      @samuelpinder1215 2 роки тому +9

      You bring your family to battle

    • @Iflie
      @Iflie 2 роки тому +1

      @@samuelpinder1215 haha, the toddler league.

    • @lukababic5623
      @lukababic5623 2 роки тому +1

      What do you mean by "destroy stuff" mate? We make it better! :D

    • @Iflie
      @Iflie 2 роки тому +1

      @@lukababic5623 "Renovation Post-Apocalypse style"

    • @lukababic5623
      @lukababic5623 2 роки тому

      @@Iflie 🤣🤣🤣💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

  • @MrRETROPSY
    @MrRETROPSY 7 місяців тому

    At the beginning, when he said, its actually lid 😂 i thaught, ok he really must not have heard europe yet 😂 this is basketball, we lit 🔥🤣🤣

  • @vibratinghigher3466
    @vibratinghigher3466 2 роки тому +40

    Europe has us beat by a long shot. That is amazing how turned up they are! I was hyped. It's not even close!!

    • @floreaciprian9742
      @floreaciprian9742 2 роки тому

      imagine being there. Its way more intense than a football game on a stadium. This is indoors, so its crazy loud, everybody's hyped and pumped. Its hard to describe the atmosphere there

    • @osmanhadzalic9060
      @osmanhadzalic9060 Рік тому

      Because there is a lot of history in Europe, it transcends sports. Wars, conflicts, uprisings, riots, territories, politics and even religion it's all part of the sport. So you grow passion, love and hatred from your childhood. Sports aren't just sports in Europe and SA, it's life. Let me give you an example. For instance the rivalry between Glasgow Rangers and Celtic in Scotland is rooted in a divide of views in politics, religion and their relationship with Ireland. Or with let's say Liverpool FC, they strongly dislike the Monarchy...or SS Lazio from Italy were/are Nazis. Barcelona want autonomy whereas Madrid/Spain are a monarchy etc. It's like that across all of Europe, not to mention the wars in the past. Clubs hate each other even if they are from different countries...and friendships exist as well between cluba from different countries. Amd it is passed down from generation to generation. Also what will help the US is to integrate a relegation/promotion system in sports, that way the stakes are high each year and you will see passion from the fans AND players will hundredfold.

    • @feariingz
      @feariingz Рік тому

      ​@@osmanhadzalic9060u mean Europe have culture 😂😂😂

  • @JegesCaverMedve
    @JegesCaverMedve Рік тому +1

    At 8:25 the club is Crvena Zvezda ( Red Star), from Serbia, and this is the Crvena Zvezda home stadium in Belgrade, this is the loudest fans... Maybe in the world.

  • @cristianionica6853
    @cristianionica6853 2 роки тому +46

    Could the great American NBA stars ever play with such an atmosphere in the stands? I don't think so. Europeans, on the other hand, have no problem playing in the NBA. Greek Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2019 and 2020 and Serbian Nikola Jokić in 2021 and 2022 are the mvps of the last 4 years.

    • @jovanjorgovan23
      @jovanjorgovan23 2 роки тому

      Jokic played for a minor club here, I don't think he experienced this sort of atmosphere that much, if ever.

    • @cristianionica6853
      @cristianionica6853 2 роки тому +9

      @@jovanjorgovan23 You are right about Jokić, but I wanted to point out that Europeans can play without problems in the NBA, while Americans could not play under such pressure as in a match Partizan vs Red Star or Panathinaikos vs Olympiacos, Aris vs PAOK etc ... Greetings from Romania

    • @aure99k
      @aure99k 2 роки тому +2

      @@jovanjorgovan23 in the minor leagues is even worse than that for the players....

    • @Shiljamannn
      @Shiljamannn 2 роки тому +1

      @@jovanjorgovan23 True, but he also had to play against big clubs, and knows the atmosphere really well.

    • @tongobong1
      @tongobong1 2 роки тому +3

      Luka Doncic played for Real Madrid so he is a veteran in such an athmosphere.

  • @Vos_Foi
    @Vos_Foi 10 місяців тому +1

    The firsts European video is from a Greek basketball team named Aris and believe this is the picture of EVERY SINGLE game, yes here in Greece this happens every time

  • @evertjan9479
    @evertjan9479 2 роки тому +11

    it's simple, in the U.S sport is something they watch, here in Europe it is a way of life, our identity, our flesh and blood belong to our teams, and they belong to us, it's a full member of our families. That's the difference.

  • @Paddy-ip7qk
    @Paddy-ip7qk Рік тому +2

    In the USA basketball is a show, in Europe it's a sport.

  • @drigerdranzer7514
    @drigerdranzer7514 2 роки тому +13

    Last clip is Panathinaikos vs Barcelona.
    I don't know if I spelled the Greeks right but I don't care.
    I'm a Swede that in Greece support Olympiakos and Aris.

  • @Alcemico
    @Alcemico 2 роки тому +4

    The fact is that they dont pay for experience as you said they pay to support their club they sing to support their club the light torches to support their team they do all of those to boost the morale of the team and the sad reality is that this stopped happening in recent years i mean they still support their team but they dont go that hard as they did before

  • @panagiotapappa7415
    @panagiotapappa7415 2 роки тому +19

    This should be called US vs Greece! Almost every single one of the videos from Europe, comes from greek basketball courts.

    • @mrsifulVENDZANS
      @mrsifulVENDZANS 2 роки тому +4

      With all due respect Greek brother that was a video of Red Star Belgrade when the floor was shaking. Partizan matches are no different. You've got Oly and Pan and there's fener, efes and galata in Turkey. If you want an atmosphere you go to see those teams.

    • @Shiljamannn
      @Shiljamannn 2 роки тому +4

      The video creator was probably Greek.... In the end, Greece is the cradle of Europian culture....

    • @SpartanLeonidas1821
      @SpartanLeonidas1821 8 місяців тому

      @@mrsifulVENDZANSTry PAOK, they travel everywhere to break everyones fans & arenas. They know 👉🏻👌🏻🦃

  • @siemprerosso
    @siemprerosso 2 роки тому +1

    In reference to red and white fans for which you had to take down your earphones: It's not in Turkey, this is Red Star from Serbia, Belgrade. And don't wonder if noise would have been any louder if we scored, because this was the loudest point of cheering. Point was to mute the Euroleague anthem which plays before every game, and was playing at that point. I guess we succeeded, as you couldn't hear the anthem by a long shot. Also note this game was played in Belgrade Arena which has capacity of around 20000 people and was full to the brim. Red Star main playground was Pionir Hall which has capacity of only around 8000, but makes much bigger noise and shakes more too, due to stands being much more narrow and closer to field. True, this bigger arena is much more comfortable for both players and fans in terms of space and ventilation, but in Pionir you would feel the real deal.

  • @tsampa13
    @tsampa13 2 роки тому +18

    Welcome to Greece (this is Greek, not European basketball). Watch games between Aris-Paok, Olympiakos-Panathinaikos or between them. Enjoy. Actually I know a US basketball player who did not want to leave Greece and he had the best time in his career in Greece.

  • @ecpetr0188
    @ecpetr0188 2 роки тому +2

    the red star game was a serbian game in euroleague (turkish airlines sponsores it)

  • @monikabeki6838
    @monikabeki6838 2 роки тому +33

    „We got the wave“ 😂😂😂 it’s hilarious! You have no clue as an American: you should watch a live football (soccer) game in England eg: these chants, fireworks, atmosphere is daily business for us 😜🤘

    • @enricogg
      @enricogg 2 роки тому +5

      LOL in ENGLAND? Quietest stadiums in Europe

    • @magicooler6811
      @magicooler6811 2 роки тому +3

      The prem has No atmosphere anymore because of corporations. Im sure championship still has atmosphere still tho, but really who cares if you dont have a team there

    • @constantinopleisGreek
      @constantinopleisGreek 2 роки тому +3

      Bruh you havent checked out any major derby between the big 5 in the greek super league,the whole stadium is shaking from the chants.

    • @julenvankerckhoven5227
      @julenvankerckhoven5227 2 роки тому

      Go to france and you wil see beter germany beter belgium beter netherlands beter italy beter and these are all mild compared to eastern europe

    • @magicooler6811
      @magicooler6811 2 роки тому +1

      @@julenvankerckhoven5227 man said France lmao

  • @panagiotisfanaropoulos1596
    @panagiotisfanaropoulos1596 9 місяців тому +1

    Videos are from Greece... First is ARIS the second is OLYMPIAKOS and the third PANATHINAIKOS (or PAO is the same)

  • @lorenzosari577
    @lorenzosari577 2 роки тому +6

    “They don’t do it every game”… they do and football gets much crazier

  • @georgedinca56
    @georgedinca56 Рік тому

    That's why jokic said when he was asked about miami's atmosphere "brother i played in serbia"

  • @drigerdranzer7514
    @drigerdranzer7514 2 роки тому +8

    The two first European clips.
    It's hate derby in Thessaloniki.
    Aris vs PAOK.

  • @vldnsp1606
    @vldnsp1606 2 роки тому +1

    oh man we do that EVERY GAME and in DIFFERENT COUNTRIES with different sets of fans having their own style of support and songs

  • @aserta
    @aserta 2 роки тому +5

    In US games are games. In Europe games are the ancient translation of wars. Cities are still "at war" through football and other sports. Countries vs countries etc.

  • @josippranjic9845
    @josippranjic9845 11 місяців тому +1

    Its funny when Americans have confidence ...like they are not softest on planet...

    • @josippranjic9845
      @josippranjic9845 11 місяців тому

      They need to send all gangsters on balkan and we will send them back in few months but they will be changed in regular people

  • @lefterissavvidis4198
    @lefterissavvidis4198 2 роки тому +7

    first was Aris from Thessaloniki..second was a team from serbia and third was Panathinaikos from Athens.

  • @christosmalaka
    @christosmalaka 8 місяців тому +1

    "they lit another flame?!?"... The most American comment

    • @geogeo2299
      @geogeo2299 7 місяців тому

      "One , two, three flames!!!"

  • @bubee8123
    @bubee8123 2 роки тому +7

    ''The Most Intense Atmosphere in Football - Partizan v Red Star | Derby Days'' - watch this you will not regret it

  • @aleksacerovic6586
    @aleksacerovic6586 2 роки тому +2

    8:00 is a Serbian club called ,,Red Star'' :)

  • @herlam1980
    @herlam1980 2 роки тому +11

    Greece & Serbia rules european basketball...and yes all this happens almost in every game.... 10:02 my team PANATHINAIKOS

    • @israteeg752
      @israteeg752 2 роки тому

      Hold my Beer and plate of Hummus ha ha. Yalla Maccabi Tel Aviv!

    • @samleyton5316
      @samleyton5316 2 роки тому +1

      Until the meet Spain or a Spanish team.spain is the European country with most titles, 2x world-champion and the undisputed European titles holder. Sorry dude

    • @kalistc1148
      @kalistc1148 2 роки тому

      @@israteeg752 fuck i s rael

    • @christosx13
      @christosx13 7 місяців тому

      @@samleyton5316 Real has 7 titles 65 years ago when the basketball was semi-amaeur in Europe and 4 of them after 1980. Panathinaikos has 7 titles in the new era of proffecional basketball meaning 7 titles in 7 finals in the last 28 years. You are ok with that?

  • @derbayerische
    @derbayerische 6 місяців тому

    It’s beautiful to see the European fans demonstrate that characteristic passion. For Europeans, basketball is even a lifestyle apart from soccer. Komm schon Bayern!! ❤

  • @mokisweiss
    @mokisweiss 2 роки тому +5

    By Europe you mean Serbia and Greece, Orthodox brothers where basketball is love and passion.

  •  Рік тому +1

    american fans go to the game as if they are watching a romantic movie on tv
    but the european basketball fan definitely brings the spirit of basketball to life on the court.
    In short, the god of basketball is in Europe.

  • @leonoe1664
    @leonoe1664 2 роки тому +4

    But I feel like this is true for many sports in Europe e.g. in my „state“ in Switzerland we play a lot of ice hockey and literally every game has these fires and stuff it’s kinda funny to see how calm people are in the USA

  • @nandonando
    @nandonando Рік тому +1

    I am Spaniard and I know how the atmosphere is in european sports. I have seen 2 NBA games and one MBL and the conclusion is that in USA you feel the same in the stadium than playing with your cousins in a family party. No intensity, no passion, no feelings... Only enjoyment.

  • @alexandermills9965
    @alexandermills9965 2 роки тому +7

    In Europe, it's normal to bring fireworks, flares, be topless jumping singing all at the same time, no matter what sport it is.
    Ultra - From father to son

  • @ФутболсКалуцким
    @ФутболсКалуцким 11 місяців тому +2

    08:06 - Donetsk People Republic Flag in Serbia)))
    Catalonia - is NOT Spain!
    Donetsk - is NOT ukraine!!!

  • @l1u1t1t1
    @l1u1t1t1 2 роки тому +18

    This is not Europe basket-ball but eastern european basket-ball, it's different 😆 I can assure you in France it's not like that.
    The eastern europeans are really passionate and also because the clubs are the same than in football (soccer for you). Olympiakos, Panathinaikos, Fenerbahce etc these clubs have their football and their basketball club so the fans are usually supporting both (because they support the club, not the sport)

    • @Diogène-v2c
      @Diogène-v2c 2 роки тому

      In France it can be like that in football games, not in basketball. The french don’t care much about their basketball championship…

    • @l1u1t1t1
      @l1u1t1t1 2 роки тому

      @@Diogène-v2c exactly !

    • @dusandusanic8541
      @dusandusanic8541 2 роки тому +1

      Just a small correction, it is not Eastern Europe but the Balkans and Southern Europe.

    • @BranisAvBG
      @BranisAvBG 2 роки тому

      @@dusandusanic8541 In Israel also. Not a part of Europe.

  • @markosostaric2099
    @markosostaric2099 Рік тому +1

    In NBA people are like in some kind of fun theatre. but in europe, pasion for sport, and unity for country of their ownn, its like undying flame.

  • @e.n.akasha9516
    @e.n.akasha9516 2 роки тому +9

    Greece & UK are the loudest fans!!!!
    theres another video of UK football-soccer...theyre jumping simultaneously and the stadium decks are actually moving!!!!

    • @mrsifulVENDZANS
      @mrsifulVENDZANS 2 роки тому +3

      Only that part with floor shaking isn't Greece. Red Star Belgrade, Serbia.

    • @Shiljamannn
      @Shiljamannn 2 роки тому +4

      Loudest fans in Basketball are in Greece, Serbia, Turkey.... Honorable mention, Croatia, Spain and Baltic states.... Football on the other hand has ultras everywhere in Europe, especially in south and eastern Europe... England was hell for football fans few decades ago, but not anymore...

    • @konhoho8012
      @konhoho8012 2 роки тому

      The stadiums are designed like that to absorb impact think of it like earthquake resistant buildings of it was built too firm it'll crumble against the jumping pressure so they designed it to actually embrace impact in order to not collapse

    • @BartMachtKeinenMann
      @BartMachtKeinenMann 2 роки тому

      UK...you're joking.
      No.

    • @user-et3ux8vn9q
      @user-et3ux8vn9q 2 роки тому

      UK .. hahahahaahha

  • @smey02
    @smey02 2 роки тому +1

    was said a million times now, but its just true: Americans watch sport for entertainment, Europes watch sport to support your team

  • @ZeD-Games
    @ZeD-Games 2 роки тому +4

    Most of the videos you saw from Europe are from Greece, where Antetokounmpo came from

  • @AkinyiUniversalLife
    @AkinyiUniversalLife Рік тому

    Had to give a like for this. hahahahaha the way you were so cocky hehehehehe. It's a different story in Europe. much love.

  • @maarius030
    @maarius030 2 роки тому +5

    Wait till you see the football fans in Europe lmao. Don’t get me wrong the basketball fans are insane but the football fans are just a bigger mass. Imagine this in 70000 seats stadium

  • @germanaspopovas5524
    @germanaspopovas5524 2 роки тому +2

    5:28min
    That's how long I was waiting. I was calm. I was waiting. Drinking my can of beer 🍺 and waiting. Just. Waiting. And now. Oooooook. That's Europe. And that's how we love basketball. Don't you ever forget This is EUROPE !Europe is crazy about basketball. Thank you. 😏❤️🏀❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @yns9bn5_
    @yns9bn5_ 2 роки тому +3

    Though I’m from Belgium I can’t say I like the European atmosphere more. In the USA a basketball game is family event, in Europe it’s a hooligan thing and all about creating bad names destroying stuff and ruining the match.

    • @marceelino
      @marceelino 2 роки тому

      It's about the game. You are swayed with emotion if you are in balkan basketball game. This is how you should feel. Feel proud of your team and support them.
      It's amazing atmosphere. The US game they showed was just a snore fest.

    • @simonsimcic1851
      @simonsimcic1851 Рік тому

      Well you from Belgium I get it
      I love it,greetings from Slovenia!
      Ultras!!

  • @vicu_negru
    @vicu_negru Рік тому +1

    European, Romanian here, all our stadiums are specially build for best sound experience...

  • @zifo29
    @zifo29 7 місяців тому +10

    Mediterranean people are passionate people my friend. European basketball is better than American basketball right now. Because the NBA has become a really boring league. Basketball in the US died with Jordan’s generation.

  • @suddenxdeath
    @suddenxdeath 8 місяців тому

    8:26 Mad Respect for the flag there. Much love!

  • @autistandcat6804
    @autistandcat6804 2 роки тому +8

    Thank you for the perfect display of misplaced American Exceptionalism in your reaction

  • @RogerGJager
    @RogerGJager 2 роки тому +2

    Europe games.....first is in Greece, then in Belgrade (Crvena Zvezda).....yes, the floor is shaking. Thats the passion for the Club

  • @Btscyprusarmy
    @Btscyprusarmy 2 роки тому +9

    Greeks my man !!! Craziest fans ever !!!!!

  • @ktos25
    @ktos25 2 роки тому +1

    It must be known that football is by far the biggest sport in the world. By football for you Americans I mean soccer

  • @st0kica
    @st0kica 2 роки тому +8

    Hi
    Just to explain a bit :)
    First european basketball game was olympiacos ( greece ) playing at home, but the other game was not turkey 😁
    It was in belgrade ( serbia ) , crvena zvezda was hosting Cibona ( croatia )
    After any years of trying, "the west" talked us into playing in some fictional league, to make up for war, 30 years ago..
    On every meet, not just basketball game :D

    • @olaPRASINAgiatre
      @olaPRASINAgiatre 2 роки тому +12

      lol
      First video Aris Thessaloniki 🇬🇷
      Second video Red Star Belgrade 🇷🇸
      Third video Panathinaikos Athens 🇬🇷

    • @salebgd82
      @salebgd82 2 роки тому +1

      The other game was Red Star Belgrade - against CSKA Moscow, not Cibona, because Cibona is not playing Euroleague since 1998.

    • @dusandusanic8541
      @dusandusanic8541 2 роки тому

      Sve si promasio 😂😂😂

    • @TurquazCannabiz
      @TurquazCannabiz Рік тому

      Shame they didn't include some Turkish fans tbh. Our Greek and Serbian brothers represented Europe well though, respect!