American Reacts HOSTILE Fans: Euroleague vs NBA

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  • @DimShamrock
    @DimShamrock День тому +61

    Balkan guy here. Greek. Panathinaikos fan.
    I have a couple of notes for you to help you understand the differences. Both on the court and off. I hope it helps.
    On the Court differences
    1. In the NBA there is the 3-second violation rule. In the Euroleague it doesn't exist. Which means guards can't just beat their man, and drive straight into the basket, cause they will face a Big Man. They have to be creative and get their teammates involved instantly. So there is no way for a Westbrook, let's say to become a stat padder.
    2. In the NBA you pretty much play 1v1 most of the time. Something that annoys a lot of people. Because after a guard beats his opponent, the drive is wide open, as if the defenders were rolling the red carpet for him. In Euroleague that's something you NEVER see, because we use the Zone defense a lot more.
    3. Euroleague tends to be more energetic for a few reasons. Explained below.
    3a. Courts are about 2 feet shorter in length, and the 3-point line is 1.5 feet shorter at the top of the arc.
    3b. In Euroleague you have 34 games, 17 home, 17 away, against the rest of the 18 teams. Not the 82-game mess.
    3c. Euroleague games last for 40 minutes, unlike NBA ones that last for 48. 4 quarters of 10, instead of 12. Also 5 fouls instead of 6.
    4. Because it is 34, and not 82, like the Euroleague slogan says. Every. Game. Matters. Something that you can't say about the NBA, as most matches are not even nationally televised most of the time.
    5. Needless to say, there is no draft here, so no load management. Finishing last is a failure. Plain and simple.
    6. Coaches are the end-all-be-all here. There is no superstar that talks down to his coach. We just don't allow that mentality here. You are part of the team.
    7. We don't get players from drafts or universities. We have local youth teams, attached to the senior ones. For example Panathinaikos U19.
    Off the Court differences
    1. The first thing you have to keep in mind is, like @enemde3025 said. Not every country in Europe is the same. Which means not every country in Europe PAYS the same. Western Europe (Spain, Italy, France, Germany) tends to have way higher monthly net wages than Eastern Europe (Greece, Serbia, Turkey, Lithuania, and even Russia and Israel to a lesser extent), and people often take out their passion in their sports teams. And you don't even need me to tell you that Americans are way better paid than most Europeans.
    2. Let's get one thing clear. Western fans, are very different to Eastern fans, and much more similar to the NBA. Especially in the Defense chant and passion level. Here, it's non-existent. Also it looks funny. Also France and Germany are fully Americanized, unlike Spain and Italy which are countries who have fanatic fans, called ultras, but it's nothing compared to the Eastern European scene. Here you are expected to jump up and down. It gives you a feeling of "I have to do anything I can (within the limits of morality) to help my team win". It is a source of local pride.
    3. You see it as a way to have fun. We see it as an important all-or-nothing game. You get bragging rights for a long while if you beat your opponent. You don't bring chips or popcorn to the games. You eat from a hot-dog stand after the match. There's a time and a place for everything. I will give you an example. Kevin Durant went to watch a Euroleague Playoff match between Olympiacos and Monaco (that game you saw with the flares), in order to support his friend and Brooklyn teammate Mike James. In the same game, Giorgos Lanthimos, a famous multiple-Oscar-Nominated director, had brought Emma Stone with him to watch the game for Olympiacos. Want to guess how many people cared? Nobody. On the contrary. They actually booed Durant.
    4. You see Clubs as Franchises. Easily replaceable, especially if they are new. I remember a scenario of the Bucks leaving Milwaukee and relocating to Seattle. There are the Sonics, Hornets and Grizzlies examples. I can't imagine that happening here. Real Madrid, should be representing...well. Madrid. Barcelona, too. Panathinaikos will always represent Athina. Athens.
    5. There are matches that I am watching, even now on TV, as I am slightly getting a bit older, and I can't sleep if my team loses a serious Regular Season game. When's the last time you felt like this watching a Regular Season match?
    Also we don't call our Champion a World Champion. But a Euroleague Champion. Just like the NBA champion should be called the North American champion.
    We are waiting for that Celtics game you owe us.
    Hope I helped. Take care. ☘

    • @joshuacauser
      @joshuacauser День тому +1

      @@DimShamrock Nobody is reading all of that.

    • @almostyummymummy
      @almostyummymummy День тому +21

      ​@@joshuacauser I did.

    • @Galantus1964
      @Galantus1964 День тому +11

      @@joshuacauser so did i

    • @bladablitz
      @bladablitz День тому +9

      Excellent explanation... even if you are a Panathinaikos fan. Greetings from Belgrade. The RED Belgrade.

    • @robertstack6844
      @robertstack6844 День тому +8

      @@joshuacauser as did i, great explanation.

  • @znjzblj7995
    @znjzblj7995 День тому +19

    The club is the most important, not the players. That's why players can chant with fans, because it was the same goal, nobody on the stands care about someone's individual stats.

  • @filipe3132
    @filipe3132 11 годин тому +2

    In Europe we don't idolize the player as much, we idolize the club because we are a part of it by attending the games and supporting the club. Players come and go, while the club will forever be there.

  • @arndbaggen3011
    @arndbaggen3011 21 годину тому +8

    Greetings from Germany. We are the Basketball World Champion . Not the USA . Imagine the USA league without the European players .

  •  День тому +9

    sports in us is about money and status in europe is about passion

  • @stefano_etrusco
    @stefano_etrusco День тому +13

    I think another factor to consider, like in European soccer, is that basketball teams in the US are merely commercial franchises, while in Europe are the pride of a city, deeply connected as a source of local identity for fans.

    • @WHOTHEPHUKTOOKMYNICK
      @WHOTHEPHUKTOOKMYNICK День тому

      Exactly! I remember my boss saying to me "Who roots for Olimpija, they're on a losing streak" and I replied "one does not root for Olimpija because they are good, one roots for Olimpija because they're from Ljubljana"

    • @kinglizard3406
      @kinglizard3406 5 годин тому +1

      in Europe fans follow club, mostly from town or region, while in US they follow players .. and money is nuber one thing for US sports

  • @Slgjgnz
    @Slgjgnz 13 годин тому +3

    About the flares, it's pretty simple, you smuggle them in. No it's not legal, but once it's lit what are they gonna do, face a thousand fiery supporters?

  • @nenadlazic6379
    @nenadlazic6379 2 години тому +1

    In Serbia, we want to see passion, hard work, sweat and blood on the court, fight for every ball. Winning is important, but desire and passion are more.

  • @cynic7049
    @cynic7049 День тому +9

    12:44: Nailed it
    In America it is about winning to make money
    In Europe it is about making money to win
    Very few clubs or team in Europe makes a profit, because normally they invest all the profit to make the team better.

  • @Kyarago
    @Kyarago 16 годин тому +3

    The American system also expects you to be a fan of a team from your region, even if there are 100s of miles to the arena. Whereas in Europe, most places have a local team that plays in some level of competition (remember the relegation / promotion system), so the connection is much stronger. Heck, there are things like North London derby in football, 2 high profile teams from the same area of the city.

  • @u3pog4o
    @u3pog4o День тому +5

    In Europe we treat our clubs like we treat our armies. They must win for the sake of the nation/city they represent.

  • @peterweiss123
    @peterweiss123 День тому +2

    You hit it with your thoughts quite well! Enjoyed it!

  • @darkwolf1202
    @darkwolf1202 День тому +7

    players in the NBA :win or lose who cares
    players in Europe: win at all cost

  • @PixTax
    @PixTax День тому +13

    In Dutch football (Soccer) they call the fans 'de twaalfde man", the twelfth player.

    • @waynebrady1819
      @waynebrady1819 День тому +2

      In Switzerland too. "Der zwölfte Mann" or "Dr zwölft Ma"

    • @peterweiss123
      @peterweiss123 День тому +1

      in German football as well

    • @cynic7049
      @cynic7049 День тому +1

      Sweden: "Den tolfte spelaren"

    • @joshuacauser
      @joshuacauser День тому +2

      @@peterweiss123 I think all of Europe do this

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock День тому +2

      Here too. In basketball as well.

  • @SeArCh4DrEaMz
    @SeArCh4DrEaMz День тому +13

    "everybody clap your hands!"
    oh the cringe, I dont need to be a european to feel it, just a human being...

  • @alexanderbalsvik592
    @alexanderbalsvik592 День тому +4

    Europeans tends to be fan of the same team regardless of the sport, for example Barcelona is a super famous football(soccer) team I assume alot of the football fans are the same as the barcelona basketball fans. In europe you dont only cheer for your club, you cheer for the pride of your city and country. European cities/countries have been at war with each outer for thousands of years.

  • @napoleondiaz2313
    @napoleondiaz2313 День тому +2

    It is a football ⚽️ environment, some clubs from Europe and other places are multi-sport, part of the football team has a basketball team, volleyball, etc. etc.

  • @sleshflex4170
    @sleshflex4170 14 годин тому

    the difference is "the audience is here because of me" and " you are here because of the audience" is called respect.

  • @ingobordewick6480
    @ingobordewick6480 День тому +9

    The big difference is, that these clubs are there for more than 100 years mostly and they are a huge part of the identity of the city, not just some entertainment event.

    • @cynic7049
      @cynic7049 День тому +3

      And never moves (well sometimes inside the town/city they where created).

    • @ingobordewick6480
      @ingobordewick6480 День тому +2

      @@cynic7049 YES!

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 День тому

      Nah, it's just old typical European tribalism that infects everything in society

  • @drigerdranzer7514
    @drigerdranzer7514 11 годин тому

    2:35
    That's true.
    In football the fans, especially the organized ultras are called the twelfth player.

  • @DainiusB2
    @DainiusB2 День тому +2

    Euro-league right now is what NBA used to be in the 80s and 90s. It appears that competition and rivalries were eradicated from NBA to make more money and keep the stars happy.

  • @0ShadowG0
    @0ShadowG0 13 годин тому

    Relegations. That would be a massive game changer for the NBA. No more tanking, everyone's head on the chopping board if you loose (lower pay, lower viewership, etc.) Put that in and see how much more seriously the games are taken from the get go

  • @TheColonyRed
    @TheColonyRed 13 годин тому

    4:00 good point, it's a cultural thing, superhero movies from childhood , idols, separation - there's this side and that side, make it or break it......through and through american culture

  • @fairybeliever4479
    @fairybeliever4479 День тому +1

    It’s very cut throat in European sports. The leagues are structured in such a way that if you finish the season on the 3-4 lower spots. You get relegated from the league to a lower league. In USA bottom teams fight to finish worse. So they can get to pick players for the next season. That’s just crazy! Takes the incentive to fight to the end out of the sport.

  • @leopartanen8752
    @leopartanen8752 День тому +3

    Maybe Americans could understand it better if New York Knicks would be a right-wing team, Republican owned and Brooklyn Nets would be a left-wing team, Democrat own, if there would be at least one local match where there would be some tension.

  • @SkinnyObelix
    @SkinnyObelix 22 години тому

    The big difference in Europe is that the teams come from the fanbases, and not the other way around. For example, where I live my city had wars in the 13th century with a neighbouring city. And so when in the late 19th century sports teams were created both cities had their teams, so the rivalry became far more friendly, and played out on the courts, but still there's something real there.
    Also within single cities you have blue collar workers who have their own team, who play the team of the white collar workers, and for that one game they have a chance to come out on top.
    So the fans were there first, the teams second. So you don't really pick your team to root for, you're born into it.
    That said with all the money flowing into sports and society changing this is getting less and less the case.

  • @KeesBoons
    @KeesBoons 2 дні тому +12

    Personality Cult seems to be very big in the US, not only in sports. Not healthy.

  • @SasaNovak-e2o
    @SasaNovak-e2o День тому

    The Passion is needed in NBA bro. In Europe,Basketball is passion. Love to the game.

  • @JohnGreenan-xh4tp
    @JohnGreenan-xh4tp День тому +1

    Passion not consumerism. No which side off the water i like living on

  • @enemde3025
    @enemde3025 2 дні тому +27

    Don't include the UK in this. I couldn't even tell you where the nearest basket ball team to me is, never mind the names of any national team players !

    • @slickwilly7341
      @slickwilly7341 2 дні тому +7

      The UK has a national basketball team?!?! Damn talking about learning something new every day...

    • @joshuacauser
      @joshuacauser День тому

      @@slickwilly7341I knew they play in the Olympics, not sure what else they do tho 😂 KD, Lebron, Steph etc wiped the floor with them

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock День тому

      @@joshuacauser Wait for the next ones kid. Then we'll see what happens when they'll all have retired. Also you didn't even make the World Cup final.

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock День тому

      @@slickwilly7341 Nothing special.

    • @joshuacauser
      @joshuacauser День тому

      @@DimShamrock I’m English you muppet.

  • @GhostStalker1712
    @GhostStalker1712 6 годин тому

    its not really that hard to understand, you can sum it all up to this: in the NBA, players make the teams and a star is above the club. in Europe, no one is above the club, not a player, not a coach, not even the owner and be sure that the fans will make it perfectly clear to anyone who forgets that.

  • @Alex-gv2nx
    @Alex-gv2nx День тому +1

    In Romania, a basketball ticket costs one or two dollars. 👍

  • @TheOrlandoTrustfull
    @TheOrlandoTrustfull 9 годин тому

    I physically grimaced when the commentator got all excited because Rihanna walked in front of him. That's probably a 50 year old man.

  • @Sssmoken
    @Sssmoken 19 годин тому

    The NBA is about the players stardom, Europe is all about the team. No matter who you are as a player.

  • @BritishReaction
    @BritishReaction День тому

    2:35 - that is when you really understood the difference!!

  • @sosofms
    @sosofms 11 годин тому

    NBA is all about the stars from every team , in Europe is all about team .

  • @prouvencau6343
    @prouvencau6343 День тому

    If the fanbase is outrageously lit, it is a call of duty to be at least as lit as they are.
    In Europe, players have the obligation to respect their club which means its institution, its history, its rivalry and most important of all its fanbase, which is also its customer.
    And that's for any sport.

  • @leifgustavsson7465
    @leifgustavsson7465 2 дні тому +17

    American “fans” are more like customers at games not supporters.

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 День тому

      Meanwhile European outdated tribalism is a disease that affects everything in society

  • @ChocoLater1
    @ChocoLater1 День тому +1

    Fans make a good game great.

  • @JohnGreenan-xh4tp
    @JohnGreenan-xh4tp День тому

    I watched a similar reaction to this. The boys were saying you couldn't have this here what with Jay z in the crowd. Kinda says it all

  • @sueyourself5413
    @sueyourself5413 День тому

    They've tried to set up the same sort of groups for even the "soccer" league. You get a lifetime ban pretty quickly.

  • @pallmall1991
    @pallmall1991 23 години тому

    You don't pause too much, it is just some lovely people(with problems), mistaking REACTION channels with WATCH ALONG channels!
    I watch reactions to get to know the person and the person's thoughts about things. And therefore pauses should be made in REACTIONS.
    I see that bs happening on so many reaction channels lately...
    TicToc generation 1.0 "We are all individuals! We all do the same!
    ...and then we force you, to do the same, too! 🤦🏼‍♂️ Insane!
    Anyways, I hope you keep pausing! Nice REACTION! 👍🏻
    Have a good one! ✌🏻

  • @kucnimajstor2901
    @kucnimajstor2901 5 годин тому

    In USA it,s all about the money, in europe is about the sport..

  • @iitzkryy9599
    @iitzkryy9599 День тому +1

    European sports stadiums are today's coliseums.

  • @alensmic6100
    @alensmic6100 22 години тому

    ua-cam.com/video/pnE5sU-qDaY/v-deo.html---American Basketball Players Talking About European Basketball Atmosphere

  • @CristiannSoS
    @CristiannSoS 50 хвилин тому

    Another analogy... In Europe everything is sport and passion, when in USA everything is a show. The sports part missing badly. Even the football is a show. In Europe we have UCL, UEL and other competitions. You have world League, where only USA teams play. Because other way, when the sport coming to action, unfortunately you do not know how to play.

  • @DaarekOfDaLand
    @DaarekOfDaLand 13 годин тому

    Let's be real about it, people who attend NBA games don't love basketball and it becomes a social economic issue. If you want to see love for the game, go to Rucker Park or one of the blue blood college basketball schools' games.

  • @darkwolf1202
    @darkwolf1202 День тому +3

    sports in Europe are a big thing.

  • @nenadparma
    @nenadparma 15 годин тому

    Defence, defence 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @markmuller7962
    @markmuller7962 День тому +1

    I really don't like how sport is experienced in Europe, way too much tribalism, like if we don't have enough tribalism in everything else... People are so unaware on how tribal Europe is because they're used to it since birth and they think it's normal and it's a huge problem

  • @rankoorovic7904
    @rankoorovic7904 10 годин тому

    Fans in Europe are closer to the NCAA then the NBA

  • @metalpetrol3315
    @metalpetrol3315 12 годин тому

    EU sports fans > US sports fans and it’s not even close

  • @Lootensansy2308
    @Lootensansy2308 День тому +1

    Fans arw the team whit out fans there is no team..in ame is al about money noting els

  • @pedromarcelino446
    @pedromarcelino446 22 години тому

    In europe if teams lose Al games they are relegad down league

  • @Ayns.L14A
    @Ayns.L14A 2 дні тому +8

    it's PASSION FOR THE GAME not PASSION FOR THE MONEY...

  • @laziojohnny79
    @laziojohnny79 День тому +6

    The supporters or fans as Americans call them ARE the club.
    The players are the team.
    So Europeans don't support a team but a club.
    Players are (mostly) passing-by-ers.

    • @Amberle38
      @Amberle38 День тому +3

      Very much so, it's no different to football. No player is bigger than the club, ever.

    • @laziojohnny79
      @laziojohnny79 День тому +1

      @@Amberle38 Exactly, although players that played their whole career for a club do touch a divine status among supporters.

  • @SMoggyinski
    @SMoggyinski 2 дні тому +3

    The fans being inseparable from the team is one of the main things which distinguishes European and north American sports in general, I think. In European football, players always acknowledge the fans when they score .. at the end of the game teams will often go up to their fans and applaud them, especially away from home (on the road as you guys say). Maybe that happens in the NFL or NBA but I've personally never seen it. In the States there seems to be this big disconnect between teams and their fans. Also, in Europe people go to matches to SUPPORT their team (win, lose or draw); in the States they seem to go largely just to be seen or to be entertained, period.

  • @markmuller7962
    @markmuller7962 День тому +1

    Tribalism is a social disease guys, don't try to defend it with the "passion" argument

    • @sevasthvostanski5588
      @sevasthvostanski5588 День тому

      what are you talking about? tribalism, you mean "democratic" liberal globalism, and it is a real social disease, I would even say an epidemic with incalculable consequences for society, destruction of the family, sexual deviance, transsexualism? that is just another word for pedophilia, the collapse of the state and nation , the collapse of morality to the level of animals. collectivism led to civilization, love for the family, for the clan, for the nation, derivatively for the sports club from of your city, and everything starts with a man and a woman who become parents, a father and a mother, who raise their children to be not only individuals but part of the family and the nation, because without that we are no different from animals and die alone in a nursing home instead of we spend our old age surrounded by a family that takes care of us as we took care of them

    • @DimShamrock
      @DimShamrock 20 годин тому

      Tribalism has always existed. In every form of life. Political, social, religious.
      And it's not only about European sports. What do you think politics are?

    • @markmuller7962
      @markmuller7962 11 годин тому +1

      @DimShamrock You shouldn't argue on if it exists or not, you should learn how other societies works and how different the tribalism is from each other.
      Europa has a very strong Medieval heritage, you can start from that

  • @antondzajajurca7797
    @antondzajajurca7797 День тому

    Regardless of passion, why is it (generally) that always the US team win big tournaments?

  • @almostyummymummy
    @almostyummymummy 2 дні тому +2

    No player is bigger than the team. Every player is replaceable. No player is indispensable.
    The team is not there to make you *LOOK* good, you are there to help the team *BE* good.
    The US? It's all about the individual.
    *Was interrupted by daughter before finishing. To add, sport as on display here is not about adding value to shareholders or making money for the owners.
    Sport should be about and for the fans/supporters. They are why we play, they are who we play for. They are our heart and soul. Our lifeblood.
    They founded us. So, they should and must come first. While the team should be playing with the intent to win every single match, more importantly, it's also about doing our supporters proud.
    The sport (all sport, for that matter) demands it. Our supporters (community) should, must, and expect no less.

  • @diop.
    @diop. 21 годину тому

    There is no country Macedonia in Europe my friend.

  • @ArnoModelstate
    @ArnoModelstate 2 дні тому +2

    Think you got it right,
    Euro is coach 1st.
    NBA is star player 1st.

  • @claudiavictoria3929
    @claudiavictoria3929 День тому +1

    Maybe Europeans are more susceptible to good old 'panem et circenses' while Americans prefer glorifying success and extraordinary achievements.

  • @101steel4
    @101steel4 2 дні тому +1

    Yes not big in the UK.
    I couldn't name one team, or even a player😂

  • @sbjchef
    @sbjchef День тому +1

    Ritualised tribal combat

    • @estranhokonsta
      @estranhokonsta День тому

      And until we are made of silicon chips, made in whatever cheap labor country, we are still animals. Very unhealthy to completely ignore reality and pretend that some unreliable whatever tictoc/latestTrend egocentric virtual poseur trone is as valuable as a rainy cold uncomfortable day.

  • @sbjchef
    @sbjchef День тому

    American sports leagues generally do not have relegation systems like those found in many European football leagues so there is a risk of not playing in the top tier for at least 1 year along with the humiliation of supporting losers.

  • @allanfitz3535
    @allanfitz3535 День тому

    Razzmatazz v Passion

  • @slickwilly7341
    @slickwilly7341 2 дні тому +7

    The Greeks, Serbs and Turks are by far the craziest and most fanatical basketball fans not only in Europe, but the whole world!!! In the second tier are the Israelis, Croats, Italians, Slovenians and Lithuanians: energetic and very supportive fans, they simply lack the lunatic edge of the aforementioned three!!😂😂😂

  • @danicao.6778
    @danicao.6778 21 годину тому

    Just one fun base if you are domestic team because of dangerous atmosphere in and after match!!! This is unbelievable how much policeman in turtle armour on day of game, thousands and thousands!!!🤔😏😎🍻

  • @MichaelCoIIins
    @MichaelCoIIins День тому +1

    Ur a cnt, but i like ya, mister C! 🫶 great vid as almost always