My first bike was a 2 stoke YZ125 when I was 14 years old I had a LOT of fun with that bike. My second bike was a Honda 4 stroke 200R. So I am NOT biased either way. That said I would without any hesitation choose the Honda.......
I love my 2020 FX. I'm working on a dedicated hot start map which appears to have helped over the past weekend as I did 30-40 hot starts without to much issue, it also didn't require opening the throttle nearly as much as previously needed if at all. For reference I've gone -3 across the bottom row of fueling and 0 on ignition. -I've done all of the other recommended fixes. Little bit more testing required as I wasn't riding the bike nearly as hard as I normally would.
@@lgraff2301 So I did a bit more enduro style riding and it seemed to like it. Normally I shift into neutral and put it into the hot start map before switching off the bike (I've it set to map 2). Hot start it and then switch back to my normal map before taking off. Hopefully it formats correctly: Fuel Injection: 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -2 -2 -2 -2 -3 -3 -3 -3 Ignition: -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -1 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 Interestingly my bothers 2019 FX has a larger starter motor and its located on the front side of the engine where it's in the airflow and he doesn't have any issues. So I wonder if the 2020's have the issue because the starter motor is located on the rear of the engine right next to the start of the header??? -I might have to do some testing.
Wow I can't believe I didn't see this video before I bought my CRF250R. I think I would have made the switch and bought the yamaha instead because you guys are right on point, exactly what your findings are with the Honda is what I've experienced with mine. I just liked And subscribed after watching this first video I see from you guys that was recommended to me by algorithm. Thank you for your review / comparison.
Honda needs a *6 speed transmission, electric fan kit*, and another model for woods enduro with lights like the WR from Yamaha. Wish they would build a bike like RedMoto offers. The 6 speed makes a huge difference and no sprocket gearing changes can overcome lack of 6 gear.
As much as I like Hondas, have to agree in everything you said. This CRF 250RX is pretty much an MX bike with an 18 inch wheel rear tire. There is market for that I’m sure, but I want a nice 4 stroke enduro bike with Honda reliability.
@@rogermty1971 I own a 24 250rx, I put radiator braces, fan kit, g2 throttle tamer, wrap around hand guards, I love it, I finally got my ktm xcf350w back, and i like the honda better in the trails.
Honda RedMoto tank and shrouds are what the bike should come with. I couldn’t get over the rigid suspension and frame on the Honda. Even after two revalves.
I’ve had both bikes in Europe, wr250 and 250rx Red moto version. I used to be Yamaha guy, but jerky low rpm power and absolutely shitty starting, which I couldn’t fix even with the help of dealers, felt so annoying that rx is an easy choice for me. Rx suspension was tweaked only once and it serves now well everywhere from slow rocky terrain to motocross track. The advantages Yamaha seems to have will be outperformed by rx, when you start riding fast: eg better torque on low rpm didn’t matter much, because you anyway you need to rev these small 4-strokes.. If Yamaha could fix the issues, I could try them again
@dirtbikesam been doing a lot of research and a lot of people told me they started on something tamer like a 250f trail bike and once they learned to ride they got bored and sold them for something more powerful
So 250F like these bikes are considered full fledge race bikes, while they are easier to ride then lets say a 450F they still have tons of power and just like you see in motocross a 250F can keep up with 450F bikes. I have been riding for a very very long time and the only place a 450F walks away from a 250F is in long straights, deep sand. I can ride a 250F faster then I can ride a 450F. Yes, getting a 250F is a better idea then getting a 450F but you still need to respect the power of a 250F, I feel like the number 1 goal for dirt biking is to have fun and be safe. You can learn the proper riding technique on any dirt bike but if you get hurt then that means no riding at all. Really its up to you on what you think works best for you. My first full size dirt bike was a CRF250X which is a milder version of these race bikes in the video.
Came from 2012 ktm 150xc and 2010yz250f before that, got into sxs’s sold the bikes now itching to get back on a bike for 2024 debating between yz250fx or beta 250-300 race edition or ktm or husky 250-300 two strokes. Damnit it’s gonna be tuff choice!!!
Would definitely like to see how the KTM 250XC-F stacks up to the Yamaha but a huge factor always seems to come back to Yamaha’s out of the box KYB setup.
Really wanted the beta 390 but the price difference is pretty big honda has always been reliable for me in the past and ktm is up there in price as well they are the closest to me
@dirtbikesam when I talked to the sales guy at dealership he said they don't allow test rides, I've never bought a new bike so I can't say if this is normal
But there is no way I would buy a four-stroke for all the known issues between maintaining/repairing a four-stroke and a two-stroke. Two-strokes rule! LOL
I love two strokes but they cost way more money and time to upkeep. We raced two YZ250Fs, Yz450, and a Wr450 for years. The 250f’s needed a full rebuild about every 18 months. None of the 450’s ever did, none ever had a valve go out of spec, just a few clutches and a hub. Our 2T 85’s held up good, our 150R’s held up great, the 125 and 250 smokers were major pia’s. Our CR250R needed p iston and or rings monthly, the KX125 could not stay on track for crank and cylinder problems. One of our friends was sponsored by Kawasaki, they could hardly afford to run the KX125 because the bike was free but they had to pay for parts. You eat two cranks in a month plus a cylinder that’s bad.
@@dirtbikesam true it’s the rider that need to be comfortable on the bike for me I’ve got the 2023 Wr 260 f fully uncorked with the competition ECU and it’s ccu I got the gytr race baffle in the stock exhaust I still need the yz’s air box though I’ve already got about 170 hours on it 5000 km absolutely love this bike it’s nothing like the old wr’s this tuning app is sick the yz has it too for me it’s that 6th gear on logging roads I can hit 130 km with the stock gearing I got another rear sprocket 48 tooth I want to try next year I’ve got to change my tires and sprockets and chain this winter they still have lots of life left to them I just want more toque. The 250 lacks in torque because it revs to 16,000 rpm I love the way she sounds around 12,000 rpm ripping down the logging roads
@@dirtbikesam I owned a yz250fx. It was dirt bike number 45 or 46 for me. I love the engineering and the design. Hands down the easiest bike to work on, and the most well-thought-out. They are overbuilt like a tank, but they are slow. I would love to try the crf250rx. The KTM 250 is a lot faster for me than the yz250fx. Ultimately, the 350's are the optimal power/weight for me and what I normally ride.
What offroad 250F can beat the Yamaha? KTM 250XCF, Kawasaki KX250X, Sherco SEF250, GasGas EX250F? Comment below.
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Thanks for this video helps a lot. I just bought a 2024 YZ 250 FX today very happy.
Excited for you
@ thanks man by any chance can you tell me what’s the blue button by the kill switch
The Yamaha is the winner. I have learned an expensive lesson over the years . If it doesn’t have KYB suspension don’t buy the bike.
Or Showa
My first bike was a 2 stoke YZ125 when I was 14 years old I had a LOT of fun with that bike. My second bike was a Honda 4 stroke 200R. So I am NOT biased either way. That said I would without any hesitation choose the Honda.......
Thanks for sharing
YZ all day long. I love my 23 FX
Yeah they hit a home run when the new model YZ bikes
@@dirtbikesamYour buddy Kyle liked his a few years ago. 2 strokes all day long !
I love my 2020 FX. I'm working on a dedicated hot start map which appears to have helped over the past weekend as I did 30-40 hot starts without to much issue, it also didn't require opening the throttle nearly as much as previously needed if at all. For reference I've gone -3 across the bottom row of fueling and 0 on ignition. -I've done all of the other recommended fixes. Little bit more testing required as I wasn't riding the bike nearly as hard as I normally would.
I'd like to see that map!
@@lgraff2301
So I did a bit more enduro style riding and it seemed to like it. Normally I shift into neutral and put it into the hot start map before switching off the bike (I've it set to map 2).
Hot start it and then switch back to my normal map before taking off.
Hopefully it formats correctly:
Fuel Injection:
0 0 0 0
-1 -1 -1 -1
-2 -2 -2 -2
-3 -3 -3 -3
Ignition:
-2 -2 -2 -2
-2 -2 -2 -2
-1 -1 -1 -1
0 0 0 0
Interestingly my bothers 2019 FX has a larger starter motor and its located on the front side of the engine where it's in the airflow and he doesn't have any issues.
So I wonder if the 2020's have the issue because the starter motor is located on the rear of the engine right next to the start of the header??? -I might have to do some testing.
My 2021 250fx is a phenomenal bike. No other 4t bike can compete!
They are amazing
I have a 20 fx and a 22 rx. I’ve revalved both and put aftermarket tanks on both. The rx is for sale. I don’t know if I’ll ever sell the fx.
🤙🏽
Yeah our 22' RX is for sale as well.
Wow I can't believe I didn't see this video before I bought my CRF250R. I think I would have made the switch and bought the yamaha instead because you guys are right on point, exactly what your findings are with the Honda is what I've experienced with mine. I just liked And subscribed after watching this first video I see from you guys that was recommended to me by algorithm. Thank you for your review / comparison.
Thanks for the support. The Honda is good just not as good as the Yamaha in my opinion
Sad to hear you didn’t like the 250x you used to have I have one and absolutely love it and have no complaints on the trail
Its not that I didn't like it I just like the YZ250FX more....
FX all day! Can’t wait till the 25 with the updates come out!
Same here!
Just got a 2024fx and I have no regrets. Im coming from a 1999 CR125 so it's a very big difference.
Congrats!
Honda needs a *6 speed transmission, electric fan kit*, and another model for woods enduro with lights like the WR from Yamaha. Wish they would build a bike like RedMoto offers. The 6 speed makes a huge difference and no sprocket gearing changes can overcome lack of 6 gear.
Agree
As much as I like Hondas, have to agree in everything you said. This CRF 250RX is pretty much an MX bike with an 18 inch wheel rear tire. There is market for that I’m sure, but I want a nice 4 stroke enduro bike with Honda reliability.
@@rogermty1971 Agree the 5 speed along with no light/electric fan and no parts catalog like GYTR parts and be nice if it was a 300cc
@@rogermty1971 I own a 24 250rx, I put radiator braces, fan kit, g2 throttle tamer, wrap around hand guards, I love it, I finally got my ktm xcf350w back, and i like the honda better in the trails.
That’s the only complaint I have racing woods with my 23 fx hard to start on a hill for sure just hard to start in general but runs like no other
agreed.
The flame outs on the Honda can be fixed by simply turning your idle up. Might not be a 100% fix but it will help.
Yeah that would have helped
Honda RedMoto tank and shrouds are what the bike should come with.
I couldn’t get over the rigid suspension and frame on the Honda. Even after two revalves.
What bike do you have now?
Did checkpoint offroad revalve?
This isn’t a R … it’s a Rx … has a better suspension than the R
🥇22’250 fix..
I’ve had both bikes in Europe, wr250 and 250rx Red moto version. I used to be Yamaha guy, but jerky low rpm power and absolutely shitty starting, which I couldn’t fix even with the help of dealers, felt so annoying that rx is an easy choice for me. Rx suspension was tweaked only once and it serves now well everywhere from slow rocky terrain to motocross track. The advantages Yamaha seems to have will be outperformed by rx, when you start riding fast: eg better torque on low rpm didn’t matter much, because you anyway you need to rev these small 4-strokes.. If Yamaha could fix the issues, I could try them again
Make a video of the different dirt bike “maps” the Yamaha app offers 3 different tunes and the option to adjust it. What’s the keefer setting?
It’s Kris Keefers YZ250F map setting that he built
No engine braking?
Would these be good beginner bikes or good for trail riding ?
I would not considered them beginner bikes but they are awesome for trail riding in my opinion
@dirtbikesam been doing a lot of research and a lot of people told me they started on something tamer like a 250f trail bike and once they learned to ride they got bored and sold them for something more powerful
So 250F like these bikes are considered full fledge race bikes, while they are easier to ride then lets say a 450F they still have tons of power and just like you see in motocross a 250F can keep up with 450F bikes. I have been riding for a very very long time and the only place a 450F walks away from a 250F is in long straights, deep sand. I can ride a 250F faster then I can ride a 450F. Yes, getting a 250F is a better idea then getting a 450F but you still need to respect the power of a 250F, I feel like the number 1 goal for dirt biking is to have fun and be safe. You can learn the proper riding technique on any dirt bike but if you get hurt then that means no riding at all. Really its up to you on what you think works best for you. My first full size dirt bike was a CRF250X which is a milder version of these race bikes in the video.
I heard that the stalling issues in the crf250rx could be from the fuel injector
I own one… it’s just rider error… once you’re used to the bike you don’t have any problems
could be.
What woods bike has the tallest seat to peg distance?
Not sure to be honest
What trail in Utah is that?
email me at sam @dirtbikesam.com and I will tell you.
Came from 2012 ktm 150xc and 2010yz250f before that, got into sxs’s sold the bikes now itching to get back on a bike for 2024 debating between yz250fx or beta 250-300 race edition or ktm or husky 250-300 two strokes. Damnit it’s gonna be tuff choice!!!
Oh yeah you have a tough choice on your hands for sure! Good luck and welcome back
I love the Beta, but I wish so bad they were not carbureted.
I'm trying to choose between the beta 390 and crf 450rx
Would definitely like to see how the KTM 250XC-F stacks up to the Yamaha but a huge factor always seems to come back to Yamaha’s out of the box KYB setup.
Yeah tough to beat Yamaha stock suspension without going after market
I have that problem with my 2017 yz 85 idk what it is but it doesn’t like to start when it’s warm
Top end or new spark plugs
13:59 Getting a little western!
Why why can’t Yamaha sort the starting issues out
Yeah it’s annoying to start
Do you think I could get the Yamaha as a first bike?
Yes it’s a great bike
Looking to get one next month
Which one?
@@dirtbikesam crf 250rx
Really wanted the beta 390 but the price difference is pretty big honda has always been reliable for me in the past and ktm is up there in price as well they are the closest to me
The Honda is a solid bike!
@dirtbikesam when I talked to the sales guy at dealership he said they don't allow test rides, I've never bought a new bike so I can't say if this is normal
but, for an everything bike, you would take a two stroke?
Yes but that’s my personal preference
Kris Keefer has quite a few maps out there. What is your favorite and where can I find it. Thanks. Nice vid
Hmm good question. I will have to look.
i got a 22 250RX
Congrats how are you looking it?
What graphics do you have on the Yamaha?
Deviant ink
But there is no way I would buy a four-stroke for all the known issues between maintaining/repairing a four-stroke and a two-stroke. Two-strokes rule! LOL
I’m also a big fan of 2 strokes
I said this until I rode my 2023 YZ250FX
Except that Honda engines are bulletproof.
You just saved me a lot of typing lol I’d never buy a motorcycle that’s way more expensive that’s harder to work on and more expensive to maintain
I love two strokes but they cost way more money and time to upkeep. We raced two YZ250Fs, Yz450, and a Wr450 for years. The 250f’s needed a full rebuild about every 18 months. None of the 450’s ever did, none ever had a valve go out of spec, just a few clutches and a hub.
Our 2T 85’s held up good, our 150R’s held up great, the 125 and 250 smokers were major pia’s. Our CR250R needed p iston and or rings monthly, the KX125 could not stay on track for crank and cylinder problems. One of our friends was sponsored by Kawasaki, they could hardly afford to run the KX125 because the bike was free but they had to pay for parts. You eat two cranks in a month plus a cylinder that’s bad.
Yamaha four stroke cylinder head assembly $624. Two stroke=$0.
Yeah 2 strokes are cheaper to repair
2012 yz250f cylinder and piston $150, yz250 cylinder and piston $550.
Fx all day but you can't get yams!!
The 250RX is hard to ride when it’s slow. It’s snappy on the throttle.
Yeah it’s not the best slow but real fun the faster you go
@@dirtbikesam I’m planning on getting a steering stabilizer, but was told softer springs should compensate, before I invest more in the stabilizer
@@250RX_channeljust tighten the steering stem nut more until the steering feels sticky - that’ll do the job.
Yamaha needs to make a 350.
That would be sweet
Honda only
Why Honda only?
Where is the 250X??
One of these days I would love to get another one...
The Wr 250f is better then the yz for single track
For my riding style I actually like the YZ250FX better than the WR
@@dirtbikesam true it’s the rider that need to be comfortable on the bike for me I’ve got the 2023 Wr 260 f fully uncorked with the competition ECU and it’s ccu I got the gytr race baffle in the stock exhaust I still need the yz’s air box though I’ve already got about 170 hours on it 5000 km absolutely love this bike it’s nothing like the old wr’s this tuning app is sick the yz has it too for me it’s that 6th gear on logging roads I can hit 130 km with the stock gearing I got another rear sprocket 48 tooth I want to try next year I’ve got to change my tires and sprockets and chain this winter they still have lots of life left to them I just want more toque. The 250 lacks in torque because it revs to 16,000 rpm I love the way she sounds around 12,000 rpm ripping down the logging roads
Yz is too freaking loud. Can’t stand the noise.
What was that ktm In the end I’m interested 😂
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yz250fx is slow as F**, definitely not getting either one of these.
what bike you going to get?
@@dirtbikesam I owned a yz250fx. It was dirt bike number 45 or 46 for me. I love the engineering and the design. Hands down the easiest bike to work on, and the most well-thought-out. They are overbuilt like a tank, but they are slow. I would love to try the crf250rx. The KTM 250 is a lot faster for me than the yz250fx. Ultimately, the 350's are the optimal power/weight for me and what I normally ride.