indigenous plant practices themselves are not cults by any means. ayahuasca itself is not a cult practice. her mindset, however is extremely cult-like. her experience seems to be a lot different than a traditional retreat / ceremony. that’s the difference
10000% and it’s such a 🚩🚩🚩 for a white, rich woman to want to make a “docuseries” about indigenous practices. That’s called exploiting girly - they don’t need you to make money off them
@obliviate.evelyn I comepletely agree that her mindest is the main issue here! People felt like it was a cult because of the false narrative set-up before her retreat, and the silence that followed. I am also 100% aware of the fact that I lack this cultural experience as well, but I believe she needs to do A LOT more in-depth research on these practices before she ever attempts making a documentary on it herself (as a cultural outsider). Loving these practices is one thing, but pubically speaking on it in a docu-series as someone who grew up in the US just doesn't feel appropiate to me... Especially after fear mongering everyone for MONTHS, intentionally or not...
Girlie knew exactly what she was doing - the way she handled this was deliberate. hope her documentary flops. it's not cool to worry your fans the way she did.
she's not responsible for catering her life around her fans. If she wants to leave without explanation, she's allowed to do what she wants. There's no contract you sign when becoming a UA-camr making your fans your first priority. It didn't hurt anybody, if anything they thought about it only a couple of times. Her life is nobody's business.
@@melissaash9696 i mean.. she was responsible for catering her life around her fans lol- for years. she can decide that that is no longer good for her and focus on herself but like to see how people are reacting, being genuinely concerned that you have died... if there is not a serious reason to take a step back and remain silent and you have mentioned that seeing people freak out over your virtual disappearance is not only comforting but entertaining...? like its nice she felt comforted but the fact she didnt allow anyone else in her life to have a fraction of that is just really selfish. this dont make her a bad person but the way she did a 360- it isnt weird for people to be like ?what in the fuck is all this?
My favorite genre of white savior complex... having a white person who "has to let the world know" of something indigenous as if these communities haven't been doing these practices for centuries. And acting as if they're first to discover any of these practices.
Tbh I don't think she's coming from that perspective. She's not claiming she invented it. When I had a major acid trip where I went from on the verge of unaliving to feeling I have autonomy over my life I felt so compelled to tell everyone about it. If I had a platform like hers I could see myself wanting to do that. I hope that in her docuseries she highlights the voices of those in the community. Obviously, my opinion is based off of parasocial interactions tho
@justanotheroutsider you know I can see that. Maybe it's just because I'm Hispanic, and I know this story too well of people coming in and "offering a voice" when, in actuality, it doesn't provide much of a platform for these communities. But we shall see I suppose
@@elizabethcarlos3883 she did initially spread misinformation about ayahausca and people could just watch what she said and associate it with ayahausca from then on which just is doing a disservice to those communities that use it holistically
Holy sh*t.... Seriously? Lol. Maybe she wanted to share her experience with others because they haven't seen or experienced it... Talk about condemning someone with little context. Sorry but I think your take is awful, with peace and love. There's nothing wrong with wanting to share an eye opening experience you had with others, especially when its something the vast majority of people either don't know about or haven't experienced.
@@elizabethcarlos3883 ayyye bet! Hispanic here too and I can definitely see where you're coming from. I really wish that someone from that center or community could get the airtime she does. I think there's something to be said of how class, race, and privilege play into it. Sometimes it can feel like I'm watching from the sidelines as an ignorant white creator butchers things like this--hence this entire cult drama lol. I'm hoping that something that's so important to her is covered with care and I think the best thing we can do is be mindful to lift up POC creators so that in the future they can have opportunities like this as well.
I can emphasize with the idea of like the longer you put off something the easier it is to keep putting it off because the scarier and scarier it gets the longer you wait.
There are so many factors that could have helped with Crohn’s disease, given that the lady was in a completely different environment, climate, diet / intermittent fasting.
i was thinking the same thing. add on the fact that chron's has a tendency to de escalate its self and come back later. i find it very irresponsible to weaponize illnesses to validate spiritual journeys through plants, it seems like a promotion of sorts... disregarding the fact that chrons is a multifaceted autoimmune disease which requires constant medication and dietary regiments. my mom has this disease and a plant sure as hell wouldn't have helped her
yeah that's my immediate thought was she's probably not eating stuff that fucks her up as much and there seemed to be a lot of fasting and possibly liquid diets.
“I don’t want to get the center involved” … “I actually didn’t say her real name because I didn’t want to get her involved in any of this” …. *Records some of the place* …. “Yeahh I want to record a docuseries out there about them!”
She definitely was playing up the cult thing to revive her career…she couldn’t clarify that she was okay because she was working on her “workaholism”? Bffr
I was getting fake/ stunt vibes from this from the beginning. I mean Alyx DOES have a history of trolling on the internet and coming up with ways to cause drama. I think she said on an interview years ago the uber pranks were fake and she got the guys from Tinder or something. You can see the way her brain works when she talks about “planting seeds” and all that.
This and also the lack of responsibility she’s taking for her video in which she is praising and promoting psychedelics without any prior warning to her young audience. Taking multiple months off to gather her thoughts and that being the result is beyond me. She can do the click-bait stunt and still make distinctions between what’s a joke, what objectively happened, and her experience whilst tripping on plants. She expressed regretting the way she handled that video, but the fact that she isn't taking it down shows where her priorities lie.
i think it’s strange how despite everything and how this all went down she still wants to make a documentary… it’s just a strange follow-up to all this
@@meanqueen0024 literallyyyyy- like you can be hyperbolic without doin all this 💀 i kind of partly feel like she was trying to perpetuate the cult narrative so people would be more sympathetic about why she wouldnt say hey i actually am breathing when she was mia 💀 it justified the disappearance and silence for so many people and made them guilty for not being as sympathetic to begin with. Whether it was her intention, this all just seems so weirdly manipulative and extra lmfao
Tbh I suspect she saw the opportunity to blend the two stories together to make the video more attractive, but in doing that she low key demonized indigenous holistic practices. Ethan and the podcast reaction to her video are proof of what twisting details can do to the rituals. Also she isn’t the first person to do this. Read the book “Sastun” where an herbologist named Rosa learns from an ancient Belizean Mayan healer. As a Mexican- Am with an MA in Spanish lit, I like the text and what it teaches about plants/Mayan spirits because Rosa truly appreciates the culture. She says she was “joking” in the video about her being in the cult. But where is the joke in making the Ayahuascan retreat members seem awful or having the public think its abusive? Idk weird.
@@rae3995 well exaggerating the head sucking and vomiting and then mentioning they had kids involved does not sound good, especially when she includes the retreat stories right after talking about checking out a cult. I would have appreciated more clarity because at one point I also did think the retreat was sketchy. Either way I hope she is more careful about how she describes her spiritual journey from here on out 😊
@@rae3995 when i watched her video me and many others were LITERALLY saying that these are cultural practices and not a cult but people will just believe what they want to believe
I live in Peru and I know shipibo people and they are truly beautiful and not at all malicious people and I’m really glad that you got to the conclusion that it is not a cult after all the damage this girl have made, they don’t deserve this kind of exposure. And I really really hope that she is doing the freaking documentary with their permission and also that she shares the profit with them, there is a lot of communities that really need the help and they are so good that I really think it could be easy to manipulate and lie to them to take advantage, I hope it’s not the case.
Let me save you the trouble, there is no cult. Shes just on a self promo tour with publicity stunts and this interview is her spinning it like it was all one big misunderstanding. That chicks fans have come here to simp and gatekeep in these comments boi i tell you what 😂
Anyone that has explored spirituality and plant medicine could have told you it wasn't a cult from the beginning, she's had very normal experiences in that sphere. Ya'll just want drama and lack the awareness of the culture to have an informed view.
@@user-sk4ry3di5l ?? what a cope. The cult is the ONLY reason Ethan was interested talking to her. Also the only reason most of the fans wanted to hear from her. Otherwise shes literally just some random guest who got a hour long segment for what reason exactly? If you dont think she was intentionally making people think a cult kidnapped her, and gladly used that drama to boost her popularity YOU are the one lacking awareness. Ethan was ready to call her out you can tell, but she flipped it on him with her mental gymnastics and ended up just deflecting the whole thing. Also, yes we want drama, do you watch this podcast?
I don’t really like that she wants to make a docuseries about these indigenous communities rather than offering them resources so that they can share their practices themselves if the wish to. She talks about other people being colonizers but wants to turn around and do the same thing… weird.
I have been to Iquitos, Peru which is where most of those plant healing centers are and let me tell you... it was horrifying. I am not saying that all of them are bad but I watched an American women in her 40's screaming that the devil was chasing her and another older man from England who had peed himself and was stumbling around mumbling to himself. People have died, peoplce have hurt themselves and there are ALOT of other drugs in that area of Peru. Its a breeding ground for Narco behavior and people were clearly being taken advantage of. BUT.... we did meet some people who moved there permanently and one guy said he has tried to end himself 3x and the retreat was his last ditch effort to want to live and it worked another women said she couldn't kick herion for over 10 years and the plants are what healed her. So just becareful guys, its not a groovy trip to Peru for psychedelics...its an intensive process and should be researched heavily.
It always surprises me how casual ppl are about ayowaska. I’ve done acid and shrooms many times and still dont feel ready to try it . Ppl don’t realize how long and intense of a trip it is. Definitely not something to try “purely out of curiosity”
tbh, when she checked ethan on how maestra is just teacher in Spanish, i started to feel bad for clowning her. i def jumped the gun on her. i think she articulated her situation really poorly before this interview, but when he kept prodding her on the cult i felt bad that she had to keep explaining she just did drugs in peru
That's her own fault. She was the one who kept mentioning a cult and saying the word over, and over, and over again. She did this on purpose to get people talking about her and it worked. Don't give her any sympathy. I did mescaline, it doesn't mean I was in a cult. 🤣
I mean clearly she intentionally did this. Her shit got cancelled and she needed a way to get money and views, and she succeeded. Everyone loves a good cult story.
@@whit9987 there is a monetary incentive, but if that were the case wouldn't she have done this much earlier than 4 1/2 months? that's the only part that stops me from taking a cynical view on this. i think she just hated what she was doing, got fucked over by a podcast network (which has a history of nefarious behavior towards talent) and felt alienated by making content. now that she has a point of view, she wants to make content again
@@Kristine_202 or its ethans fault-? for not knowing basic spanish or more importantly- not taking the 10 seconds to look up the word on google so as to not like ridicule other cultures for a bit and then be like oh.. so this ignorant ya?
Plant medicines are real and powerful. People like this give actual culturally significant drug traditions a bad rep ugh.. it’s fine to be white and privileged and go to to the jungle for a spiritual experience,, just don’t be annoying or disrespectful about it
loved Ethan's point about the concept of wasting precious time with sketchy "healing" practices. just to be clear, I am not fully against the more out there healing methods. I'm from a big time hippie town. however, recently I've been seeing posts from a very woo-woo local woman saying that her son unfortunately passed while on a healing expedition in another country. she's given no information on what he was even sick with or how he passed and the whole thing is just weird as hell. it seems he was gone a long time on this journey, and whether his fate was already sealed or an accident happened, I just feel so sorry that he was so alienated from her when he passed. I've known people who have benefited from acupuncture or reiki or guided mushroom trips, but some of this shit just goes way too far in terms of claims and practices.
I think its hilarious that people refuse to believe that certain plants have multiple positive effects on the human anatomy for a variety of ailments. Where do you think medicine originated from?! 😂 FROM PLANTS!!
Right! Digoxin, or Lanoxin, is a medication used for BP and arrhythmias. It comes from the leaves of the foxglove plant and was once used as poison. Ingenious people would rub it on arrowheads to kill animals and people.
And also any indigenous practices they aren't familiar with are automatically labeled as a cult. The part that gets me is how everyone thought isolation from social media and junk food while spending more time in silence was the red flag LMFAO
its not about that. I treat myself with herbs but herbs are different thing than plants thats give you hallucinations. The plants like the one alyx used were used for spiritual practises, not for usual healing
As someone who was a regular subscriber of Alyx but never did more than watch her new videos every week, I didn’t even realize she was gone for the first 2 months. Like if something serious happened to her or she actually went missing I assumed we’d hear about it as people in her real life would report it
People were bullying Alyx bc they were… worried for her??? The real cult is the hysteria people whip themselves into after watching a tik tok with conspiratorial music behind it
But she was... In an actual cult. Lol. Not speaking on the bullying, but it wasn't a conspiracy. The mystery was if she was actually indoctrinated or not. Which is a fair and important question. Why? Because if she was indoctrinated in a cult, she has a lot of influence. Could see how that could end up being a problem lol.
She seems so sweet honestly. I've heard of people doing this and it makes sense to me now what she was talking about. I'm not sure why everyone's so mad lmao
It’s the way she went about it that’s made people mad, she planted the cult seed knowing it would cause concern among her followers and even sat back and watched people gradually panic more and more about her well-being. It’s not about her going on the retreat or what she’s doing it’s that she knowingly allowed her fan base to have genuine concern for her.
Because that was not the way to show it, Ayahuasca practice has nothing to do with a cult at all, as a Peruvian I find it so embarrassing that she even mentioned Perú bc knowing how white people are now they are going to believe that we do that kinda shit
I don't know anything about her own ocd but I have it and a good bit is tied to religion, it probably relieved a lot of stress but it's just stress relieved through compulsive religious behavior and obsession with a newer lifestyle. Maybe not helped but rediverted.
@Jordan Black its good to keep in mind shes seeing Ethan tic throughtout this interview which would make her tic in response. seeing someone tic makes others tic big time.
I'm sorry but SHE is the red flag for not coming clean for months not her friend that told her to come clean or she would. Sounds like her friend respected her fans more than she does
I was thinking the exact same thing! I just finished that book a week ago and the whole time I was envisioning Masha and the “intended silence” she made them go thru (no books, media, talking, sex, eye contact.. etc)
everyone saying it was a shameful publicity stunt, well yeah before she left it was a "bit", but clearly after some self reflection on her retreat, she realises the mistake with it. Everyone coming with loaded guns, so quick to jump on the band wagon of ridicule, take a look at yourselves. Atleast she's being honest and vulnerable about it, no ones perfect
ya bu.... she was at the retreat for a month and didnt say anything or come back until 3 months later. she didnt have to come back but she couldve said like taking some time to heal and just even allow a friend to say she is...or idk- im not ridiculing her, ive always loved her and her content but if i took a look at myself rn id see that at my ripened ancient age of 20- ive grown out of finding it funny when people think im dead because ive gone radio silent. my philosphy was all thes kids around me so dumb like if you dont exist on socials you dont exist but my parents and a couple close friends knew i was alive and i was doing this to protect myself from a toxic situation. unless she considers her career and more specifically, her audience as toxic, than this just seems kinda immature and dare i say- lowkey convoluted as hell. like very me when im not using my wise mind lol, that is what its giving
@@Big-Timbo absolutely not💀 i dont doubt its holistic properties but as someone who takes medications, something tells me they wouldnt interact well with ayahuasca lol (and also have v real addiction issues so i would probably never be able to integrate back into normal life)
Healing with ayahuasca or taking a break because of her workaholism or not, As someone who watched alyx for years and was very worried about her she should get taken accountability for her actions. She completely worried all her fans and her saying she was “planting a seed” really shows her intentions, as if it’s all just a publicity stunt to her and she doesn’t seem to care about the worry she caused. Plants like ayahuasca can be used for healing and that’s completely okay but her mindset is the problem, in her other video on her podcast she talked about how she feels distanced from her friends and family and other things that point the finger towards the fact she is in something similar to a cult. This interview is not taking alyx accountable for her actions and is giving two friends having a reunion.
Psychoactive drugs have been shown to have positive mental health effects AND I see no function in the isolation and starvation. That sounds like unnecessary cruelty.
Isolation for the purpose of meditative practice is not uncommon in general, and fasting has real physical and mental health benefits when done safely and is a part of most major world religions
I am sure people have interesting experiences taking Ayuhasca, but it cannot heal an abdominal hernia. My understanding of it is more about getting in touch with our thoughts, expanding our ways of thinking and strengthening the mind-body connection. Your stomach is a specific organ that digests your food before sending those digested contents to your bowel. You abdomen is the area between your chest and hips that colloquially is called stomach/tummy/belly. An abdominal hernia is where there is a weakening in the abdominal wall musculature and essentially soft tissue will bulge through it. Most commonly it is fat, but it can be bowel which is significantly more painful and dangerous. This cannot be healed on it's own without surgery. Most are non life threatening and might not need surgery if it doesn't bother the patient. Diastasis recti is not a hernia although it can look like one. It is really common to happen to women during and after pregnancy because their abdomen expands quickly with the growth of the pregnancy. It does happen in men as well, normally from excessive weight gain, particularly around their middle. If you ever saw someone try to sit up using their abdominal muscles and they had a large cylindrical bulge down the center of their abdomen - that is usually diastasis recti. Your abdominal muscles separate down the midline, but contrary to a hernia our body can repair this on it's own. Often some time after a pregnancy has ended, losing weight and or strengthening our abdominal muscles. The most common hernias are inguinal (groin), but we don't need to get into that for what was said in this video. *You can't get any information about herniation from this still ultrasound. To show if there is herniation it needs to be a clip. The picture of the ultrasound specifically is useless for her claims. -source I am an ultrasound tech who is trained and experienced to find all kinds of hernias.
@@RenWonders it doesn't matter. If there was a non invasive method of healing a hernia by eating certain plants, then doctors would opt for that rather than the risks of surgery. These claims are extraordinary, but don't contain extraordinary evidence to back them up.
ya i got so many problems with my esophagus and crohns- if i did all this and then came back to regular life. my abdomen would never forgive me lol- and i think there would then be a permanent stricture, just chronic vomiting, diarrhea and psychosis for the rest of my days 💃💃💃💅
I feel like these comments aren’t it. Psychedelics have been used in most ancient cultures and their uses have survived for centuries (for a good reason). These centers act as a “tripsitter” to help make sure to guide you through your experience safely and efficiently. I believe Alex. I don’t think it’s a publicity stunt (that would be disrespectful towards the culture and experience). Also, your mind is VERY raw for weeks, or months after an experience like that. You have to give yourself time to readjust properly. So, it also makes sense she didn’t come back to the internet super quickly. I don’t see her making a documentary as a bad thing honestly. The purpose of the internet and honestly life itself is to share experience. If this experience was as important to her as she states, it makes sense that she would share it.
Indigenous plants like ayahuasca should be treated with respect and only ever carried out by someone with over decades of experience in the practise. This just sets such a bad name for something that is incredibly sacred to its original culture. Where I’m from in Australia somebody recently just died from taking aya and another plant medicine (forgot the name but the one they get from frogs…) at the same time. Which in reality would never ever happen and now people just are lead to believe that these “drugs” are terrible and evil. In reality it’s the people who take them just to get as fucked up and push the limits that just sets such a terrible name for something that should be treated with respect. Aya when being given with an experienced shaman, preferably in as traditional a way as possible can literally change peoples lives, help people move on from deep trauma and heal actual physical problems through purging and spiritual journeys.
omg ty these comments are driving me wild lol. its giving people gaslighting anyone who hasnt had a ''positive review of this situation''- a situation that they really dont know all that much about aside from this interview: where she kind of just goes back on half the shit she said like- whether its her intention, this narrative is WILDLY different than the one she came back with on her podcast initially lol
Am I gullible for believing her side of the story totally? Like I get where she was coming from. I don’t think this was a publicity stunt, I think this is just a wild series of events that she handled poorly. She also rolled with H3’s jokes and was a good sport about the whole thing.
i really do think people need to just accept theres no obligation to tell everyone where you are at all times, even if a creator. yeah she kinda brought this on herself, but why cant people let her just exist lol
@@DJDownes100obviously she didn’t need to give everyone information about where she is every second 🙄 she could’ve easily made an IG post saying hey guys I’m going to take a break to work on my mental health. I’ll be back when I feel ready. And that would’ve been that. But she clearly enjoyed the attention and drama of it all
Ayahuasca being a trendy tourist experience for Americans to flock to seem ridiculous to me, if you are dealing with opiate addiction or severe mental distress and abuse you can not recover from, it is appropriate. As a weird hipster trend I find it sad and off putting.
I was someone who was concerned while she was gone. After this return, I don't care to watch her content anymore. Toying with your audience's empathy is not something I can support.
I agree with the fact that there’s nothing wrong with alternative medicine. What’s unfortunate is that she did the ol UA-cam thing where she manipulated and essentially lied to her following, the media, and it seems her friends and family as well. If she had said “I was at healing retreat in Peru where I was using medicinal plants to heal from my work stress and OCD,” nobody would have thought anything of this; sounds like normal California rich girl influencer stuff. Instead she made the choice to use the cult clickbait and run with it. It doesn’t sound like she was in a cult. For one, cults don’t let you leave. But as she said, this is essentially like going to a spa or business retreat in Peru as it’s so popular a business practice. She spun this tale for clicks.
Yea, purposely worrying your fans is fucked up. However, why do UA-camrs have to tell their fans every single little thing? Life is life, sometimes you don’t know what’s happening yourself, until after the fact.
Maestro, while can mean “teacher” in Spanish, it also has other connotations. If this guy wanted to call himself teacher, he could call himself “profesor” or “profe”. I don’t know, I think the intentions are clear and mentioning that maestro can mean teacher seems to me to be just a scapegoat.
This, plus shaman comes from russian and was popularized in the western world by hippies appropriating native religions, and usually is always associated to cult stuff. No one in south america uses shaman to say teacher.
A lot of what she said makes sense. I think she was really down to earth and lovely. Actually, there are A LOT of health benefits that come with mindfulness and diet. I mean study after study shows a change in diet can reverse A LOT of health issues. It's easier to absorb and use nutrients that have not been processed. This feels a bit culturally closed off.
I think people need to calm down about her not immediately coming back and explaining everything to her fans. Especially in recent years, it’s become very common for people to become overly attached to creators and form that sort of “parasocial” relationship where they expect creators to interact with them like a friend. Yes, if a good friend of yours went dark for several weeks and barely said anything when they came back, you could be rightfully somewhat upset with them. But you have to remember that creators do not know you. They are not your friends. They don’t truly OWE you anything. They’re just a person, like yourself, that makes content. They have their own lives, their own emotions, their own boundaries. She was going through something and processing a big event in her own real life and needed time to herself for a moment. I’m sure most people can understand needing a break, especially from social media (even more so if it’s technically your job), just like Ethan said.
So.. what does Alyx do for a living? Because if she does one prank video a week, that can’t be bankrolling her whole life. So… where’s the “workaholism” coming in?
I’m scared to watch this. Ayahuasca had thousands of years of sacred tradition and culture behind it. There’s absolutely sketchy shit that goes on in Peru and maybe this is it, but the medicine and the ceremony itself is not a cult and it’s not a joke … the ignorance last episode … AHHH. I’m scared to watch
I’m really glad she’s safe now, but after looking up the centers online I still find it very bizarre that it’s family run and you can stay as long as you want. A treatment center usually has a set schedule and is based off of your improvements and this seems like the opposite, if you can stay as long as you want I feel like they could keep “medicating” you with anything they want while giving you a placebo effect to “heal” you
A hernia is not a hole in the body, it is a protusion. Tissue fisically moving, not a hole. Mabey she or her friend just got the terms mixed up, or the doctor didn't make the term that clear. Idk, but that's the part that seems really suspicious to me. Plus, the photo evidence shows to very different tests, and I don´t really khow how to interpret them, but one is 2D and the other is 3D. Mabey the change in diet helped??
theres a podcast called "sounds like a cult" where they talk about the "modern day cults we all follow" rather than the ones we initially think about when we hear the word cult (ex: manson family or jonestown). they've talked about the boy scouts, montessori schools, coachella, child stars, and a bunch more. the point of their podcast is that cults are all around us, but they vary in severity and harmfulness. so they have a rating system: "live your life," "watch your back," and "get the fuck out." so, the cult of the troubled teen industry would be the worst kind, "get the fuck out." the cult of multilevel marketing would be a "watch your back." something that brings very little harm but they still consider to be a cult, like the cult of dolly parton, is rated "live your life" i think whatever alyx was doing, she was probably at a "live your life" or at the most "watch your back" just because of the drugs being used
@@ouryayommay9435 can you give me more detail on montessori schools? I study pedagogics and they teach us its just an alternative system of education, i am intrigued
Yeah connecting to ancient wisdom and our connection to the earth is so lame, not like it's the totality of who we are and where we evolved from, so lame to seek the truth of who we are.
@@mmgs1148 its less so the concept of montessori schools and more so the way it's been gentrified (is that the right word?). it started off as a daycare in a poor inner-city district of rome; maria montessori wanted to learn how to better teach children with developmental and learning disabilities and underprivileged kids in general. now, however, putting your kid in a montessori school can be very expensive, making it inaccessible to the young kids she wanted to help in the first place
Jenn was the first person who came to mind for me. a normal non-influencer friend of hers probably wouldn’t end a friendship over her not addressing an online controversy.
Loved this interview, vibes were really good, some people get way to into these parasocial relationships, if she decided to get off the interview for a while, she doesnt owe her fans shit
no one saying she owed them a response. they kind of just expected her to care about their feelings a fraction as much as they cared about hers. of course she didnt have to but not everyone who is confused or lowkey upset by this is parasocial, sure, many fucking people are but idk lol- i hate when people bring up this argument when it really doesnt apply to this situation directly at all
my biggest flaw is coming down to the comment section 20 mins into a nice video like this, only to see them haters.... But, I haven't seen the average nothing but hate in the comments!!! only goes to show how Ethan's haters only come to comment on the videos that trigger them lol
Reading a lot of these comments makes me realize just how immature a lot of Ethan's fans are. They need some ayahuasca, geez. (coming from an h3 fan, with peace and love)
Basically she intentionally made it seem like she joined a cult and then hopped off the internet so people would be worried about her and she would get attention
@@rae3995 its moreso how she self admittley derived a ''sick pleasure'' knowing everyone was freaking out about her disappearance- she said she started to feel like no one cares and this reaffirmed that people did. but she didnt care enough to acknowledge any of that for 3-4 months after her retreat. even if you didnt initially do something for attention- she admits it became that. its less ''being mad'' and moreso trying to wrap your head around all of this. because believe it or not- most grown people (who are in a moderately healthy mindset or place in their life) dont do things like this. everyone makes mistakes but this wasnt a simple situation by any means necessary
It’s work with nerve system. It is very important medically thing and I think a lot of med centres who work with plants, sound affects study it already . It’s more about methods of diagnostic I’d say good talented doctor can do magic with pills too . Yes mint healing
Y’all the lock is on the outside because they need to lock it from the outside. Like if this building is just sitting there in the woods they prob lock it tight when it’s not in use. But not saying I personally would’ve trusted to go in there
Closed minded ppl who've never done any research not experienced "alternative" healing always dismiss it as bs. I recall Ethan and everyone talking about frequencies (literal science) this way. It's honestly quite bizarre to me
They would be NOTHING and broke without their fans, so they owe them honesty, not some BS scan to promote her documentary. Your ignorant of you don’t think this was a stunt to promote her documentary and attention.
@@brynn1995 I'm saying I don't care if it was a stunt. She is an entertainer. Just because you form a parasocial relationship with a content creator doesn't mean you are entitled to anything. If you don't approve of her actions then just stop watching her... that's all you are entitled to as a "fan".
guys, don't watch this. i'm surprised the crew let this go on for so long. (south americans are extremely familiar with this) shaman ceremonies are extremely common... she just happens to be a person who went to one with a big audience... and also a person with extremely unfunny humour. she hides herself behind the bit but then talks for an hour straight trying to justify herself for absolutely nothing, except from the fact of being an extremely bad communicator lol. also bringing up chrons is such a low move, my mother almost died from that shit 10 years ago and has been taking daily injections ever since
@Jordan Black people really need to stop throwing these words around when you literally don't know anything about her or her intentions. words have meaning and you're using them way too loosely.
So when you ingest something poisonous, it's fucked up that inducing vomiting to save your life is a good thing? What's the logic on that? I agree puking sucks, worst thing ever, but I think it's objectively a good thing in a circumstance like that, no?
🙄🙄 she framed it like she escaped a cult and then is confused on why people were worried when she literally disappeared. Either way this whole thing from her is tasteless
Maybe the real cult was the friends we made along the way
Made this into a D-comm movie ASAP 😂😂
so unexpected thanks for that 😂
I love that for us
indigenous plant practices themselves are not cults by any means. ayahuasca itself is not a cult practice. her mindset, however is extremely cult-like. her experience seems to be a lot different than a traditional retreat / ceremony. that’s the difference
10000% and it’s such a 🚩🚩🚩 for a white, rich woman to want to make a “docuseries” about indigenous practices. That’s called exploiting girly - they don’t need you to make money off them
@obliviate.evelyn I comepletely agree that her mindest is the main issue here! People felt like it was a cult because of the false narrative set-up before her retreat, and the silence that followed. I am also 100% aware of the fact that I lack this cultural experience as well, but I believe she needs to do A LOT more in-depth research on these practices before she ever attempts making a documentary on it herself (as a cultural outsider). Loving these practices is one thing, but pubically speaking on it in a docu-series as someone who grew up in the US just doesn't feel appropiate to me... Especially after fear mongering everyone for MONTHS, intentionally or not...
Girlie knew exactly what she was doing - the way she handled this was deliberate. hope her documentary flops. it's not cool to worry your fans the way she did.
she's not responsible for catering her life around her fans. If she wants to leave without explanation, she's allowed to do what she wants. There's no contract you sign when becoming a UA-camr making your fans your first priority. It didn't hurt anybody, if anything they thought about it only a couple of times. Her life is nobody's business.
Not only her fans but supposedly her family. Smh.
@@unxnown1275 that part. when you have your own parents calling you, you f*cked up.
@@annakatie7347 they were calling because despite the fact that they knew, the public didnt
@@melissaash9696 i mean.. she was responsible for catering her life around her fans lol- for years. she can decide that that is no longer good for her and focus on herself but like to see how people are reacting, being genuinely concerned that you have died... if there is not a serious reason to take a step back and remain silent and you have mentioned that seeing people freak out over your virtual disappearance is not only comforting but entertaining...? like its nice she felt comforted but the fact she didnt allow anyone else in her life to have a fraction of that is just really selfish. this dont make her a bad person but the way she did a 360- it isnt weird for people to be like ?what in the fuck is all this?
Her: “it’s maestra, she’s a she’s”.
Ethan: “oh ok”
Her: “yea”
Ethan: “maestro”
Ethan: “maestro”
Ethan: “maestro”
Ethan: “maestro”
Ethan: “maestro”
This is the strangest way to have a conversation about Holistic Healing techniques
right 💀 my girl was just tryna heal
My favorite genre of white savior complex... having a white person who "has to let the world know" of something indigenous as if these communities haven't been doing these practices for centuries. And acting as if they're first to discover any of these practices.
Tbh I don't think she's coming from that perspective. She's not claiming she invented it. When I had a major acid trip where I went from on the verge of unaliving to feeling I have autonomy over my life I felt so compelled to tell everyone about it. If I had a platform like hers I could see myself wanting to do that. I hope that in her docuseries she highlights the voices of those in the community. Obviously, my opinion is based off of parasocial interactions tho
@justanotheroutsider you know I can see that. Maybe it's just because I'm Hispanic, and I know this story too well of people coming in and "offering a voice" when, in actuality, it doesn't provide much of a platform for these communities. But we shall see I suppose
@@elizabethcarlos3883 she did initially spread misinformation about ayahausca and people could just watch what she said and associate it with ayahausca from then on which just is doing a disservice to those communities that use it holistically
Holy sh*t.... Seriously? Lol. Maybe she wanted to share her experience with others because they haven't seen or experienced it...
Talk about condemning someone with little context. Sorry but I think your take is awful, with peace and love. There's nothing wrong with wanting to share an eye opening experience you had with others, especially when its something the vast majority of people either don't know about or haven't experienced.
@@elizabethcarlos3883 ayyye bet! Hispanic here too and I can definitely see where you're coming from. I really wish that someone from that center or community could get the airtime she does. I think there's something to be said of how class, race, and privilege play into it. Sometimes it can feel like I'm watching from the sidelines as an ignorant white creator butchers things like this--hence this entire cult drama lol. I'm hoping that something that's so important to her is covered with care and I think the best thing we can do is be mindful to lift up POC creators so that in the future they can have opportunities like this as well.
I can emphasize with the idea of like the longer you put off something the easier it is to keep putting it off because the scarier and scarier it gets the longer you wait.
Okay but she said the opposite.
There are so many factors that could have helped with Crohn’s disease, given that the lady was in a completely different environment, climate, diet / intermittent fasting.
i was thinking the same thing. add on the fact that chron's has a tendency to de escalate its self and come back later.
i find it very irresponsible to weaponize illnesses to validate spiritual journeys through plants, it seems like a promotion of sorts... disregarding the fact that chrons is a multifaceted autoimmune disease which requires constant medication and dietary regiments. my mom has this disease and a plant sure as hell wouldn't have helped her
Not to mention stress levels were probably much lower, which are a huge factor of crohns symptom severity
yeah that's my immediate thought was she's probably not eating stuff that fucks her up as much and there seemed to be a lot of fasting and possibly liquid diets.
Also the power of the mind! Low-stress environment can do wonders
I don't think she is denying that? it is the process that is doing it alongside the plants, making things quiet
“I don’t want to get the center involved” … “I actually didn’t say her real name because I didn’t want to get her involved in any of this” …. *Records some of the place* …. “Yeahh I want to record a docuseries out there about them!”
Yeppp
likely because if she does make a documentary she would do that with their consent. no one consented to being talked about in this podcast
@@amdow3263exactly. Why do so many people in this comment section lack critical thinking skills 😑
She definitely was playing up the cult thing to revive her career…she couldn’t clarify that she was okay because she was working on her “workaholism”? Bffr
I was getting fake/ stunt vibes from this from the beginning. I mean Alyx DOES have a history of trolling on the internet and coming up with ways to cause drama. I think she said on an interview years ago the uber pranks were fake and she got the guys from Tinder or something. You can see the way her brain works when she talks about “planting seeds” and all that.
This and also the lack of responsibility she’s taking for her video in which she is praising and promoting psychedelics without any prior warning to her young audience. Taking multiple months off to gather her thoughts and that being the result is beyond me. She can do the click-bait stunt and still make distinctions between what’s a joke, what objectively happened, and her experience whilst tripping on plants. She expressed regretting the way she handled that video, but the fact that she isn't taking it down shows where her priorities lie.
I didn't know her from Jack and I started getting prank vibes.
Ethan stopped paying attention after she says she didn't shit her pants.
i think it’s strange how despite everything and how this all went down she still wants to make a documentary… it’s just a strange follow-up to all this
thats likely why its giving publicity stunt
@@emmaturgut8157 right?! i’m shocked she thinks it’s a good idea
@@emmaturgut8157 I am more and more inclined towards that now. I mean the thumbnail of her video and the constant mentions of the word "cult"
@@meanqueen0024 literallyyyyy- like you can be hyperbolic without doin all this 💀 i kind of partly feel like she was trying to perpetuate the cult narrative so people would be more sympathetic about why she wouldnt say hey i actually am breathing when she was mia 💀 it justified the disappearance and silence for so many people and made them guilty for not being as sympathetic to begin with. Whether it was her intention, this all just seems so weirdly manipulative and extra lmfao
Yeah I’m not sure how or why she wants to make a doco on the place but not disclose the name.
Tbh I suspect she saw the opportunity to blend the two stories together to make the video more attractive, but in doing that she low key demonized indigenous holistic practices. Ethan and the podcast reaction to her video are proof of what twisting details can do to the rituals.
Also she isn’t the first person to do this. Read the book “Sastun” where an herbologist named Rosa learns from an ancient Belizean Mayan healer. As a Mexican- Am with an MA in Spanish lit, I like the text and what it teaches about plants/Mayan spirits because Rosa truly appreciates the culture.
She says she was “joking” in the video about her being in the cult. But where is the joke in making the Ayahuascan retreat members seem awful or having the public think its abusive? Idk weird.
Completelyyy agree w this
Can you explain how she is. demonizing the culture? As an outsider with no info about these retreats, it seems like she’s being respectful.
@@rae3995 people just wanna be mad still lol
@@rae3995 well exaggerating the head sucking and vomiting and then mentioning they had kids involved does not sound good, especially when she includes the retreat stories right after talking about checking out a cult. I would have appreciated more clarity because at one point I also did think the retreat was sketchy.
Either way I hope she is more careful about how she describes her spiritual journey from here on out 😊
@@rae3995 when i watched her video me and many others were LITERALLY saying that these are cultural practices and not a cult but people will just believe what they want to believe
I live in Peru and I know shipibo people and they are truly beautiful and not at all malicious people and I’m really glad that you got to the conclusion that it is not a cult after all the damage this girl have made, they don’t deserve this kind of exposure. And I really really hope that she is doing the freaking documentary with their permission and also that she shares the profit with them, there is a lot of communities that really need the help and they are so good that I really think it could be easy to manipulate and lie to them to take advantage, I hope it’s not the case.
Let me save you the trouble, there is no cult. Shes just on a self promo tour with publicity stunts and this interview is her spinning it like it was all one big misunderstanding.
That chicks fans have come here to simp and gatekeep in these comments boi i tell you what 😂
Right? So much for a spiritual awakening.
Yea what a waste of a podcast segment
Yep! I had to skip it and I'm glad I did. I was going to go back afterwards, but then I read the comments.
Anyone that has explored spirituality and plant medicine could have told you it wasn't a cult from the beginning, she's had very normal experiences in that sphere. Ya'll just want drama and lack the awareness of the culture to have an informed view.
@@user-sk4ry3di5l ?? what a cope. The cult is the ONLY reason Ethan was interested talking to her. Also the only reason most of the fans wanted to hear from her. Otherwise shes literally just some random guest who got a hour long segment for what reason exactly? If you dont think she was intentionally making people think a cult kidnapped her, and gladly used that drama to boost her popularity YOU are the one lacking awareness. Ethan was ready to call her out you can tell, but she flipped it on him with her mental gymnastics and ended up just deflecting the whole thing. Also, yes we want drama, do you watch this podcast?
I don’t really like that she wants to make a docuseries about these indigenous communities rather than offering them resources so that they can share their practices themselves if the wish to. She talks about other people being colonizers but wants to turn around and do the same thing… weird.
THIS. Specially as someone who doesn’t even speak the language, and has a superficial understanding of the culture from outside :/
Girl you knew what you were doing 😒
I have been to Iquitos, Peru which is where most of those plant healing centers are and let me tell you... it was horrifying. I am not saying that all of them are bad but I watched an American women in her 40's screaming that the devil was chasing her and another older man from England who had peed himself and was stumbling around mumbling to himself. People have died, peoplce have hurt themselves and there are ALOT of other drugs in that area of Peru. Its a breeding ground for Narco behavior and people were clearly being taken advantage of. BUT.... we did meet some people who moved there permanently and one guy said he has tried to end himself 3x and the retreat was his last ditch effort to want to live and it worked another women said she couldn't kick herion for over 10 years and the plants are what healed her. So just becareful guys, its not a groovy trip to Peru for psychedelics...its an intensive process and should be researched heavily.
The town was crawling with police and dogs, and we were offered coke at least 4x a day. Do not walk into that process lightly.
It always surprises me how casual ppl are about ayowaska. I’ve done acid and shrooms many times and still dont feel ready to try it . Ppl don’t realize how long and intense of a trip it is. Definitely not something to try “purely out of curiosity”
this really sucks if it was a publicity stunt.
tbh, when she checked ethan on how maestra is just teacher in Spanish, i started to feel bad for clowning her. i def jumped the gun on her. i think she articulated her situation really poorly before this interview, but when he kept prodding her on the cult i felt bad that she had to keep explaining she just did drugs in peru
That's her own fault. She was the one who kept mentioning a cult and saying the word over, and over, and over again. She did this on purpose to get people talking about her and it worked. Don't give her any sympathy. I did mescaline, it doesn't mean I was in a cult. 🤣
@@Kristine_202 you obviously didn't listen to what she said.
I mean clearly she intentionally did this. Her shit got cancelled and she needed a way to get money and views, and she succeeded. Everyone loves a good cult story.
@@whit9987 there is a monetary incentive, but if that were the case wouldn't she have done this much earlier than 4 1/2 months? that's the only part that stops me from taking a cynical view on this. i think she just hated what she was doing, got fucked over by a podcast network (which has a history of nefarious behavior towards talent) and felt alienated by making content. now that she has a point of view, she wants to make content again
@@Kristine_202 or its ethans fault-? for not knowing basic spanish or more importantly- not taking the 10 seconds to look up the word on google so as to not like ridicule other cultures for a bit and then be like oh.. so this ignorant ya?
Plant medicines are real and powerful. People like this give actual culturally significant drug traditions a bad rep ugh.. it’s fine to be white and privileged and go to to the jungle for a spiritual experience,, just don’t be annoying or disrespectful about it
This was the best episode I think I’ve ever seen. Absolutely hilarious.
very weird she defended the isolation after being confronted with the lock lol
not really
loved Ethan's point about the concept of wasting precious time with sketchy "healing" practices. just to be clear, I am not fully against the more out there healing methods. I'm from a big time hippie town. however, recently I've been seeing posts from a very woo-woo local woman saying that her son unfortunately passed while on a healing expedition in another country. she's given no information on what he was even sick with or how he passed and the whole thing is just weird as hell. it seems he was gone a long time on this journey, and whether his fate was already sealed or an accident happened, I just feel so sorry that he was so alienated from her when he passed. I've known people who have benefited from acupuncture or reiki or guided mushroom trips, but some of this shit just goes way too far in terms of claims and practices.
I think its hilarious that people refuse to believe that certain plants have multiple positive effects on the human anatomy for a variety of ailments.
Where do you think medicine originated from?! 😂 FROM PLANTS!!
Right! Digoxin, or Lanoxin, is a medication used for BP and arrhythmias. It comes from the leaves of the foxglove plant and was once used as poison. Ingenious people would rub it on arrowheads to kill animals and people.
You can't just take a pill or drink a brew to cure a hernia though. That's why surgery exists. Plants don't give you Wolverine's healing factor
And also any indigenous practices they aren't familiar with are automatically labeled as a cult. The part that gets me is how everyone thought isolation from social media and junk food while spending more time in silence was the red flag LMFAO
its not about that. I treat myself with herbs but herbs are different thing than plants thats give you hallucinations. The plants like the one alyx used were used for spiritual practises, not for usual healing
@@TheLucidMysticsSleepMusic fucked up hahaha
Doesnt want to drag the place into it but is going to film a docuseries there... okay.
As someone who was a regular subscriber of Alyx but never did more than watch her new videos every week, I didn’t even realize she was gone for the first 2 months.
Like if something serious happened to her or she actually went missing I assumed we’d hear about it as people in her real life would report it
People were bullying Alyx bc they were… worried for her??? The real cult is the hysteria people whip themselves into after watching a tik tok with conspiratorial music behind it
well said
But she was... In an actual cult. Lol. Not speaking on the bullying, but it wasn't a conspiracy. The mystery was if she was actually indoctrinated or not. Which is a fair and important question.
Why? Because if she was indoctrinated in a cult, she has a lot of influence. Could see how that could end up being a problem lol.
This is the best comment
@@bobdylan1968 the spiritual retreat did not technically meet all the criteria for an actual cult
@@bobdylan1968 bros scared of going to a retreat LOL
She seems so sweet honestly. I've heard of people doing this and it makes sense to me now what she was talking about. I'm not sure why everyone's so mad lmao
It’s the way she went about it that’s made people mad, she planted the cult seed knowing it would cause concern among her followers and even sat back and watched people gradually panic more and more about her well-being. It’s not about her going on the retreat or what she’s doing it’s that she knowingly allowed her fan base to have genuine concern for her.
@@millykay3209 yeah it’s shitty but she apologised and everyone makes mistakes🤷🏼♀️
Because that was not the way to show it, Ayahuasca practice has nothing to do with a cult at all, as a Peruvian I find it so embarrassing that she even mentioned Perú bc knowing how white people are now they are going to believe that we do that kinda shit
I'd really love to hear more about how this helped Alyx with her OCD.
It probably helps with stress management which alleviates symptoms
I don't know anything about her own ocd but I have it and a good bit is tied to religion, it probably relieved a lot of stress but it's just stress relieved through compulsive religious behavior and obsession with a newer lifestyle. Maybe not helped but rediverted.
@Jordan Black its good to keep in mind shes seeing Ethan tic throughtout this interview which would make her tic in response. seeing someone tic makes others tic big time.
I'm sorry but SHE is the red flag for not coming clean for months not her friend that told her to come clean or she would. Sounds like her friend respected her fans more than she does
So basically she went to something like “nine perfect strangers”
I love that movie, but I guess so
I was thinking the exact same thing! I just finished that book a week ago and the whole time I was envisioning Masha and the “intended silence” she made them go thru (no books, media, talking, sex, eye contact.. etc)
everyone saying it was a shameful publicity stunt, well yeah before she left it was a "bit", but clearly after some self reflection on her retreat, she realises the mistake with it. Everyone coming with loaded guns, so quick to jump on the band wagon of ridicule, take a look at yourselves. Atleast she's being honest and vulnerable about it, no ones perfect
That is exactly what I’m thinking like why are people so dead set on it being a publicity stunt?? It seems so genuine
She even said she has no interest in making videos at the moment
ya bu.... she was at the retreat for a month and didnt say anything or come back until 3 months later. she didnt have to come back but she couldve said like taking some time to heal and just even allow a friend to say she is...or idk- im not ridiculing her, ive always loved her and her content but if i took a look at myself rn id see that at my ripened ancient age of 20- ive grown out of finding it funny when people think im dead because ive gone radio silent. my philosphy was all thes kids around me so dumb like if you dont exist on socials you dont exist but my parents and a couple close friends knew i was alive and i was doing this to protect myself from a toxic situation. unless she considers her career and more specifically, her audience as toxic, than this just seems kinda immature and dare i say- lowkey convoluted as hell. like very me when im not using my wise mind lol, that is what its giving
@@emmaturgut8157 you go do ayahausca for a month and try imeadiately integrating back into your normal life lmao
@@Big-Timbo absolutely not💀 i dont doubt its holistic properties but as someone who takes medications, something tells me they wouldnt interact well with ayahuasca lol (and also have v real addiction issues so i would probably never be able to integrate back into normal life)
Healing with ayahuasca or taking a break because of her workaholism or not, As someone who watched alyx for years and was very worried about her she should get taken accountability for her actions. She completely worried all her fans and her saying she was “planting a seed” really shows her intentions, as if it’s all just a publicity stunt to her and she doesn’t seem to care about the worry she caused. Plants like ayahuasca can be used for healing and that’s completely okay but her mindset is the problem, in her other video on her podcast she talked about how she feels distanced from her friends and family and other things that point the finger towards the fact she is in something similar to a cult. This interview is not taking alyx accountable for her actions and is giving two friends having a reunion.
Psychoactive drugs have been shown to have positive mental health effects AND I see no function in the isolation and starvation. That sounds like unnecessary cruelty.
Isolation for the purpose of meditative practice is not uncommon in general, and fasting has real physical and mental health benefits when done safely and is a part of most major world religions
It’s to purge the mind/body. It’s so that you kind of have more of a blank slate going into the experience.
I am sure people have interesting experiences taking Ayuhasca, but it cannot heal an abdominal hernia. My understanding of it is more about getting in touch with our thoughts, expanding our ways of thinking and strengthening the mind-body connection.
Your stomach is a specific organ that digests your food before sending those digested contents to your bowel. You abdomen is the area between your chest and hips that colloquially is called stomach/tummy/belly. An abdominal hernia is where there is a weakening in the abdominal wall musculature and essentially soft tissue will bulge through it. Most commonly it is fat, but it can be bowel which is significantly more painful and dangerous. This cannot be healed on it's own without surgery. Most are non life threatening and might not need surgery if it doesn't bother the patient.
Diastasis recti is not a hernia although it can look like one. It is really common to happen to women during and after pregnancy because their abdomen expands quickly with the growth of the pregnancy. It does happen in men as well, normally from excessive weight gain, particularly around their middle. If you ever saw someone try to sit up using their abdominal muscles and they had a large cylindrical bulge down the center of their abdomen - that is usually diastasis recti. Your abdominal muscles separate down the midline, but contrary to a hernia our body can repair this on it's own. Often some time after a pregnancy has ended, losing weight and or strengthening our abdominal muscles.
The most common hernias are inguinal (groin), but we don't need to get into that for what was said in this video.
*You can't get any information about herniation from this still ultrasound. To show if there is herniation it needs to be a clip. The picture of the ultrasound specifically is useless for her claims. -source I am an ultrasound tech who is trained and experienced to find all kinds of hernias.
thank you so much for this info!
Okay, but just so we're clear, she did state it was not the ayahuasca that healed the hernia. She said it was one of the MANY plants they were using.
@@RenWonders it doesn't matter. If there was a non invasive method of healing a hernia by eating certain plants, then doctors would opt for that rather than the risks of surgery. These claims are extraordinary, but don't contain extraordinary evidence to back them up.
ya i got so many problems with my esophagus and crohns- if i did all this and then came back to regular life. my abdomen would never forgive me lol- and i think there would then be a permanent stricture, just chronic vomiting, diarrhea and psychosis for the rest of my days 💃💃💃💅
@@emmaturgut8157 exactly. It is dangerous pseudoscience to act like these plants can do things they can't.
I feel like these comments aren’t it. Psychedelics have been used in most ancient cultures and their uses have survived for centuries (for a good reason). These centers act as a “tripsitter” to help make sure to guide you through your experience safely and efficiently.
I believe Alex. I don’t think it’s a publicity stunt (that would be disrespectful towards the culture and experience). Also, your mind is VERY raw for weeks, or months after an experience like that. You have to give yourself time to readjust properly. So, it also makes sense she didn’t come back to the internet super quickly.
I don’t see her making a documentary as a bad thing honestly. The purpose of the internet and honestly life itself is to share experience. If this experience was as important to her as she states, it makes sense that she would share it.
This is one of the most divisive comment sections EVER!
They've included that girls full name on the scan images. The place she went to is the "mainiti center" in Peru.
Wait so it’s the same centre, not her usual doctor? 🤔🤔
Indigenous plants like ayahuasca should be treated with respect and only ever carried out by someone with over decades of experience in the practise. This just sets such a bad name for something that is incredibly sacred to its original culture.
Where I’m from in Australia somebody recently just died from taking aya and another plant medicine (forgot the name but the one they get from frogs…) at the same time. Which in reality would never ever happen and now people just are lead to believe that these “drugs” are terrible and evil.
In reality it’s the people who take them just to get as fucked up and push the limits that just sets such a terrible name for something that should be treated with respect.
Aya when being given with an experienced shaman, preferably in as traditional a way as possible can literally change peoples lives, help people move on from deep trauma and heal actual physical problems through purging and spiritual journeys.
Glad Alyx is safe. Love Ethan but I’ve noticed that when a topic concerning ayahuasca comes up on the show, he seems to come from an uninformed angle.
that is a bit of an understatement 😂😂
Ethan bro you gotta hold her a little more accountable than that. It’s giving love at first sight reunion
omg ty these comments are driving me wild lol. its giving people gaslighting anyone who hasnt had a ''positive review of this situation''- a situation that they really dont know all that much about aside from this interview: where she kind of just goes back on half the shit she said like- whether its her intention, this narrative is WILDLY different than the one she came back with on her podcast initially lol
The hole is diastasis recti and those images are two different imaging tests
Am I gullible for believing her side of the story totally? Like I get where she was coming from. I don’t think this was a publicity stunt, I think this is just a wild series of events that she handled poorly. She also rolled with H3’s jokes and was a good sport about the whole thing.
yea me too, like i understand how it was selfish but like.. i feel like people are getting too upset imo
Girl I thought I was the only one LMAO
totally agree, the only thing i’m not really on board with is the documentary
i really do think people need to just accept theres no obligation to tell everyone where you are at all times, even if a creator. yeah she kinda brought this on herself, but why cant people let her just exist lol
@@DJDownes100obviously she didn’t need to give everyone information about where she is every second 🙄 she could’ve easily made an IG post saying hey guys I’m going to take a break to work on my mental health. I’ll be back when I feel ready. And that would’ve been that. But she clearly enjoyed the attention and drama of it all
Ayahuasca being a trendy tourist experience for Americans to flock to seem ridiculous to me, if you are dealing with opiate addiction or severe mental distress and abuse you can not recover from, it is appropriate. As a weird hipster trend I find it sad and off putting.
Alyx went to help with her OCD and other mental health conditions she was not recovering from or finding western ways to mitigate. But I agree!
yes. just, yes.
Bruh I can’t believe this came out over a month ago. I considered myself a avid viewer but I’m so behind on all this lol
Thanks to the comments for saving me an hour of wasted time lmao.
Youre welcome
It was the mai niti center. In the google reviews you can see a review from Tessa as well as another review that shows Tessa in the picture
Boosting this comment, so tired of people profiting off of other peoples cultures and religions 🥱
After seeing her tik toks traumatizing people in her Uber I'm thinking she didn't learn much on a spiritual plane.
The Uber videos are scripted, she’s said it before
I was someone who was concerned while she was gone. After this return, I don't care to watch her content anymore. Toying with your audience's empathy is not something I can support.
Why are the audience being so negative towards her? I think it was quite brave of her to come on the podcast. Everyone is being so closed minded.
Because she’s full of it! Lying out her hole’s because she needed attention
Because we know how she is. She takes shit for views since the dawn of time
she is not a villain, she was just in a healing retreat 😩
I agree with the fact that there’s nothing wrong with alternative medicine. What’s unfortunate is that she did the ol UA-cam thing where she manipulated and essentially lied to her following, the media, and it seems her friends and family as well. If she had said “I was at healing retreat in Peru where I was using medicinal plants to heal from my work stress and OCD,” nobody would have thought anything of this; sounds like normal California rich girl influencer stuff. Instead she made the choice to use the cult clickbait and run with it. It doesn’t sound like she was in a cult. For one, cults don’t let you leave. But as she said, this is essentially like going to a spa or business retreat in Peru as it’s so popular a business practice. She spun this tale for clicks.
Yea, purposely worrying your fans is fucked up. However, why do UA-camrs have to tell their fans every single little thing?
Life is life, sometimes you don’t know what’s happening yourself, until after the fact.
Eva use a UA-camr would be NOTHING but a McDonald’s worker if it wasn’t for their fans.
@@brynn1995 still doesn't mean a youtuber should tell absolutely EVERYTHING to their fans lol
meh I’m not fond of trolls like this
Maestro, while can mean “teacher” in Spanish, it also has other connotations. If this guy wanted to call himself teacher, he could call himself “profesor” or “profe”. I don’t know, I think the intentions are clear and mentioning that maestro can mean teacher seems to me to be just a scapegoat.
It was shaman or maestra if a woman. These titles can also just mean a higher level of respect towards a teacher or leader.
This, plus shaman comes from russian and was popularized in the western world by hippies appropriating native religions, and usually is always associated to cult stuff. No one in south america uses shaman to say teacher.
@@vividdreams1054Are you peruvian?
A lot of what she said makes sense. I think she was really down to earth and lovely. Actually, there are A LOT of health benefits that come with mindfulness and diet. I mean study after study shows a change in diet can reverse A LOT of health issues. It's easier to absorb and use nutrients that have not been processed. This feels a bit culturally closed off.
she was lying for attention lmfao you need media literacy
I think people need to calm down about her not immediately coming back and explaining everything to her fans. Especially in recent years, it’s become very common for people to become overly attached to creators and form that sort of “parasocial” relationship where they expect creators to interact with them like a friend. Yes, if a good friend of yours went dark for several weeks and barely said anything when they came back, you could be rightfully somewhat upset with them. But you have to remember that creators do not know you. They are not your friends. They don’t truly OWE you anything. They’re just a person, like yourself, that makes content. They have their own lives, their own emotions, their own boundaries. She was going through something and processing a big event in her own real life and needed time to herself for a moment. I’m sure most people can understand needing a break, especially from social media (even more so if it’s technically your job), just like Ethan said.
So.. what does Alyx do for a living? Because if she does one prank video a week, that can’t be bankrolling her whole life. So… where’s the “workaholism” coming in?
I’m scared to watch this. Ayahuasca had thousands of years of sacred tradition and culture behind it. There’s absolutely sketchy shit that goes on in Peru and maybe this is it, but the medicine and the ceremony itself is not a cult and it’s not a joke … the ignorance last episode … AHHH. I’m scared to watch
omg ik she giving a bad name to ayahuasca as a medicinal practice0 straight up
I’m really glad she’s safe now, but after looking up the centers online I still find it very bizarre that it’s family run and you can stay as long as you want. A treatment center usually has a set schedule and is based off of your improvements and this seems like the opposite, if you can stay as long as you want I feel like they could keep “medicating” you with anything they want while giving you a placebo effect to “heal” you
A hernia is not a hole in the body, it is a protusion. Tissue fisically moving, not a hole. Mabey she or her friend just got the terms mixed up, or the doctor didn't make the term that clear. Idk, but that's the part that seems really suspicious to me. Plus, the photo evidence shows to very different tests, and I don´t really khow how to interpret them, but one is 2D and the other is 3D. Mabey the change in diet helped??
Not y'all giving her the attention she wants
😂😂 - if anyone has read dont feed the monster on tuesdays- stop doing that lol
Not a cult, but still pretty cult ish - just relatively harmless at that. Sounds lame.
theres a podcast called "sounds like a cult" where they talk about the "modern day cults we all follow" rather than the ones we initially think about when we hear the word cult (ex: manson family or jonestown). they've talked about the boy scouts, montessori schools, coachella, child stars, and a bunch more. the point of their podcast is that cults are all around us, but they vary in severity and harmfulness. so they have a rating system: "live your life," "watch your back," and "get the fuck out."
so, the cult of the troubled teen industry would be the worst kind, "get the fuck out." the cult of multilevel marketing would be a "watch your back." something that brings very little harm but they still consider to be a cult, like the cult of dolly parton, is rated "live your life"
i think whatever alyx was doing, she was probably at a "live your life" or at the most "watch your back" just because of the drugs being used
@@ouryayommay9435 Thanks for responding, sounds interesting!
@@ouryayommay9435 can you give me more detail on montessori schools? I study pedagogics and they teach us its just an alternative system of education, i am intrigued
Yeah connecting to ancient wisdom and our connection to the earth is so lame, not like it's the totality of who we are and where we evolved from, so lame to seek the truth of who we are.
@@mmgs1148 its less so the concept of montessori schools and more so the way it's been gentrified (is that the right word?). it started off as a daycare in a poor inner-city district of rome; maria montessori wanted to learn how to better teach children with developmental and learning disabilities and underprivileged kids in general. now, however, putting your kid in a montessori school can be very expensive, making it inaccessible to the young kids she wanted to help in the first place
A self-aware publicity stunt and I don’t respect her for it 👎🏽
okay but her not being able to form social announcements or messages after being there for a WEEK ?? girl
normalize locks on the wrong side of the door!
This podcast is exciting!
they literally had a video saying if we're in a cult were in a cult.
Its a cult 😂 Ethan is just trying to be nice
Does anyone else feel like she was talking about Jennxpenn and her girlfriend that she lost as friends?
Yesss brother, neither her or Jenn ever talked about what happened to their friendship
I thought the exact same!
They haven’t been friends for a while. People think they dated and broke up a few years ago
Jenn was the first person who came to mind for me. a normal non-influencer friend of hers probably wouldn’t end a friendship over her not addressing an online controversy.
Her attempt to turn this spiritual practice into a UA-cam stunt for cash and attention is gross. It is a form of exploitation
That place is giving me nine perfect strangers vibe
Loved this interview, vibes were really good, some people get way to into these parasocial relationships, if she decided to get off the interview for a while, she doesnt owe her fans shit
no one saying she owed them a response. they kind of just expected her to care about their feelings a fraction as much as they cared about hers. of course she didnt have to but not everyone who is confused or lowkey upset by this is parasocial, sure, many fucking people are but idk lol- i hate when people bring up this argument when it really doesnt apply to this situation directly at all
She would be NOTHING without her fans! She owes them honesty
Ethan can come at me with the acupuncture.
my biggest flaw is coming down to the comment section 20 mins into a nice video like this, only to see them haters.... But, I haven't seen the average nothing but hate in the comments!!! only goes to show how Ethan's haters only come to comment on the videos that trigger them lol
Reading a lot of these comments makes me realize just how immature a lot of Ethan's fans are. They need some ayahuasca, geez. (coming from an h3 fan, with peace and love)
It’s just the drama whores getting mad because they got trolled
I don’t understand why there’s so many negative comments?? Somebody please explain
@@Sleepy_catface no, they don’t lol
Basically she intentionally made it seem like she joined a cult and then hopped off the internet so people would be worried about her and she would get attention
@@erinkat999 Yes that is what the interview is about but it seems clear that wasn’t her intention, so I’m not sure why everyone is mad
@@rae3995 its moreso how she self admittley derived a ''sick pleasure'' knowing everyone was freaking out about her disappearance- she said she started to feel like no one cares and this reaffirmed that people did. but she didnt care enough to acknowledge any of that for 3-4 months after her retreat. even if you didnt initially do something for attention- she admits it became that. its less ''being mad'' and moreso trying to wrap your head around all of this. because believe it or not- most grown people (who are in a moderately healthy mindset or place in their life) dont do things like this. everyone makes mistakes but this wasnt a simple situation by any means necessary
@@rae3995 bc its irresponsible not sure what ur confused about
It’s work with nerve system. It is very important medically thing and I think a lot of med centres who work with plants, sound affects study it already . It’s more about methods of diagnostic I’d say good talented doctor can do magic with pills too . Yes mint healing
Y’all the lock is on the outside because they need to lock it from the outside.
Like if this building is just sitting there in the woods they prob lock it tight when it’s not in use.
But not saying I personally would’ve trusted to go in there
how does that make sense?
I'm sorry but no healthy medical or spiritual experience should include solitary confinement or fasting
Idk made me feel weird
It would be really dope if she could get vice to produce her documentary on the retreat
Aren’t vice bankrupt??
More like "dopey" than "dope"
Genuienely think this was just to get some clout
Wild
Closed minded ppl who've never done any research not experienced "alternative" healing always dismiss it as bs. I recall Ethan and everyone talking about frequencies (literal science) this way. It's honestly quite bizarre to me
I’m still so confused
“This is the first time I’m seeing this. Like what?!” 😅
Also, that was an X-ray vs an ultrasound. 😀
She seemed to be lying for some of this; for instance, using some “probably” qualifiers.
Also why is she worried about “dragging” the people “through it” but also working on a documentary?
So basically she was on a drug bender for months lmao
This idea that because you are a fan of some one that they some how owe you anything is a problem with the audience not her.
They would be NOTHING and broke without their fans, so they owe them honesty, not some BS scan to promote her documentary. Your ignorant of you don’t think this was a stunt to promote her documentary and attention.
@@brynn1995 I'm saying I don't care if it was a stunt. She is an entertainer. Just because you form a parasocial relationship with a content creator doesn't mean you are entitled to anything. If you don't approve of her actions then just stop watching her... that's all you are entitled to as a "fan".
guys, don't watch this. i'm surprised the crew let this go on for so long.
(south americans are extremely familiar with this) shaman ceremonies are extremely common... she just happens to be a person who went to one with a big audience... and also a person with extremely unfunny humour. she hides herself behind the bit but then talks for an hour straight trying to justify herself for absolutely nothing, except from the fact of being an extremely bad communicator lol. also bringing up chrons is such a low move, my mother almost died from that shit 10 years ago and has been taking daily injections ever since
she's quite endearing, fair play to her
She is soo fake bro
@Jordan Black people really need to stop throwing these words around when you literally don't know anything about her or her intentions. words have meaning and you're using them way too loosely.
@@ttw4s trueeeeee. like no matter your stance- if that is all he got from this- that is a wildly concerning, misinformed mindset lol
I’m very suspicious of this ‘spiritual tourism’ business. It doesn’t feel right to me.
She doesn’t owe anything to her fans.
She would be NOTHING without her fans
@@brynn1995That doesn’t mean much. Just because someone does something for you, it doesn’t mean you owe them access to your life.
I'm emetaphobic too (fear of vomit)... this is a nightmare. The idea that inducing vomiting is a Good thing, is kind of fucked up.
So when you ingest something poisonous, it's fucked up that inducing vomiting to save your life is a good thing? What's the logic on that? I agree puking sucks, worst thing ever, but I think it's objectively a good thing in a circumstance like that, no?
I also have Emetophobia. I would never do it!
ever heard of bulimia lol- maybe is fucked up but thats a simplification
@@emmaturgut8157 What does Bulimia have to do with anything?
@@BrittneyStAubin well it is essentially the idea that inducing vomiting is a good thing
Watch her eyes
🙄🙄 she framed it like she escaped a cult and then is confused on why people were worried when she literally disappeared. Either way this whole thing from her is tasteless
That's the word!!!! TASTELESS.
Did you just imply a hernia is worse than Lupus? Or am I hearing it wrong?
nothing burger
That’s sad
You sound like someone who has never explored plant medicines and spirituality. That's sad, you'd be a better, less judgmental person if you did.