2023 Zerg Bronze to GM #3: Platinum League - Spread Creep & Scout (B2GM) | StarCraft 2
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- In this B2GM episode, we are playing against Platinum League players and focusing on learning creep spread, rapid fire creep/biles, scouting and more.
BUT PIIIIIG HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT TO YOUR FIRST B2GM SERIES?
The first Zerg B2GM series from 2021 STILL WORKS, this new series just teaches different builds and updates a few things.
BUT PIIIIIIG WHY ARE YOU SMURFING AGAIN?
The new B2GM series are against volunteers only, no ladder smurfing here.
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0:00 Game 1 vs Terran
20:08 Rapid fire creep spread
24:45 Game 2 vs Protoss
46:46 Scouting basics
51:13 Game 3 vs Zerg
1:05:17 Game 4 vs Terran
1:25:46 Game 5 vs Protoss
1:47:12 Game 6 vs Terran
2:14:20 Game 7 vs Terran
2:27:57 Game 8 vs Zerg
2:30:49 Game 9 vs Zerg rematch
2:44:07 Game 10 vs Terran
2:55:50 Game 11 vs Protoss
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#Starcraft2 #PiGStarcraft #coaching #b2gm #zerg - Ігри
I played my first 5 ranked matches today. I got smoked 4 times then won via instant surrender. Got placed strait in gold, I'm a beast baby.
eyooo! Welcome to the ladder! Remember the more you lose the lower your opponents = the more chance of fair matches! It usually takes about 15 games to give you SUPER accurate/fair matches
@@PiGCoaching Update: I've gotten to the point where I can smoke people in low gold and high silver. I switched to the build order you did in your previous bronze to gm. I realized I wasn't good enough to drone up 3 bases and defend from early pressure, and zergling baneling seems harder to micro. I attack move my roaches and ravagers across the map with their 3 upgrades and keep macroing and sending more works every time.
@@johnbennett6700 keep laddering , dont practice against the AI. You will form terrible habbits.
@@josh198599 That isn't true. I used an easy AI to practice the build orders without being rushed. I also used AI to practice spreading creep and injecting without having to deal with a random BC proxy throwing off my attention. I went from Silver 1 to Diamond 3 in a reasonable span of time on the ladder because I followed PiG's guide and built fundamentals against AI.
@@ENZ2103its funny you mention this because the reason i typed that comment is PRECISELY because if you practice against AI, you will most likely plateau once you hit D3. Well done for your fast rise, but, understand that D3 is when you actually START learning to play the actual game of SC2. My advice to you is to stop playing against the AI and only ladder from here on in. But its up to you man, as long as you're having fun , just do do
It's really quite humbling seeing you play and maintain such composure. With the amount of harass I was putting out game 10, you were still so organized. Learned a ton from this game. Still glad I could shock you like that with the e-bay block. You can thank Relm for the idea :P He gave me some tips :)
Was fun playing against you PiG, next time I won't go so easy on you. ;)
-MuffCabbage
These videos deserve far more likes and appreciation. Thanks for all the education Pig!
2:32:32 putting drones on a hotkey preemptively as a reaction to a fast all-in just blew my mind. It's the little details and habits that make the game easier - thanks for this series PiG!
Complete gamechanger isn't it! Thnx Steven
Hooooo leeeeeeee crap. I tried your ling bane, it works so good at gold/plat it's unreal lol. Getting a better and it's because of breakdowns like this I can play confidently and not be stressed out in game, or while losing. I was hardstuck gold/plat for almost a decade and hit diamond for my second time, and I'm only getting better as my understanding grows. Thank you so much for all the instructionals you do
Just returned to the game after about 4 years, been watching these to relearn macro cycles. Thanks pig!
I don't play SC2 but your such an awesome guy and a wonderful boon to the sc2 community. Thanks pig for everything you do!
Really enjoy and appreciate the content! Thanks for taking the time to put such detailed guides out
The ZvZ roach build threw me off at first. This is a great series thanks pig! I'm 2 weeks into playing sc2 and I'm already competitive in gold 2 cause of this B2GM!
Glad to hear it!
Stick with it, brochacho. This game gets pretty frustrating sometimes, so when you lose a game that felt unfair or stupid, force yourself to watch the replay and look for one thing you did well and one thing you didn’t do well. That is one of the best ways to enjoy the game when you lose!
@@chinchillax1483 thanks! Honestly, I don't get too upset over silly losses. Like you said, just a learning opportunity!
@@bradwick7683 I’m happy for you, but I will be very surprised if you never hit a wall ever in your Starcraft years. Eventually you will not feel the same way about learning the game, and whenever that is, that’s when my advice is for! Might be a few months, might be a year, but it comes for us all eventually.
@@chinchillax1483 I definitely appreciate the advice. I'll keep it in mind, thank you.
Nice one, thanks PIG !! 🙏
33:22 it's John Deacon and the only reason I know that is because of the joke in the Weird Al movie about how no one knows who he is lol
Couldn’t be bothered to look it up myself, knew someone would have me covered in the comments.
the more you know! We'll see if I remember to reference this in the next episode
Not sure if you'll see this comment, but I gotta say thanks for putting this out. I've always watched sc2 (as a dota player) and thought it seemed impossible to play, especially the ling bane style. But after seeing this, I decided to try it out and using this series and the previous B2GM, I managed to hit plat on my 21st ladder game. LING BANE IS SO MUCH FUN!! I feel it gives way more options and potential for comeback vs having a clumped up ball of roaches. I also had a very similar turtle terran on the same map so copy pasted your "jump up to 90 drones and get some ultras' technique and it worked extremely well even though I did let him get his third base. I don't think Ive ever enjoyed a video game more than sc2 and thats from someone with like 3k hours in dota and thats all thanks to your phenomenal coaching!
eyyyyy congrats mate!
wow, Mr.PiG is remaking these bronze to GM. thank you for ALL these learning materials, keep goin'!
48:57 "PiG's wife edits these videos and thinks he should shut his mouth :P" hahahahaha you never thought of this counter attack, did you?
I absolutely love these videos, I've had so much fun playing zerg on SC II, I just used to "play" SC I like any other rts, and never thought of playing like this. So much things to consider, it's awesome
Been a few years since I played. Was in high gold/low plat back then and now am in D3 after
xD anyone else catch at the end
"I help it hopes you out"
what an absolute machine.
Pig do more of the show matches 1v1 or 2v2!!
also try and recruit people to do a FFA or archon games.
Great video. Got some very helpful tips and my APMs up around 125-135. Very awesome videos keepem coming.
This is such a good series that it honestly should be a paid course! Pig has put so much work into this and provides quality instruction. He's truly the GOAT SC2 Instructor.
thnx mate!
56:57 … and … oh! My opponent just panicked. Killed their own guy. 😂😂😂
love the build for it's ability to attack different places and bypass the enemy army. Nice to notice, though, that with Vibe b2gm plat build it's possuble to have 200 limit of upgraded roach+hydra at 9.00, which feels stronger, than ling+bane (so I'd recommend to also build good habits from his channel too).
Love the way, the PiG explains build orders in a way "when this is finished -> do this". I found it really helpful to play around 5 games vs AI, following PIG build. Like
1: I watch 1 PIG game
2: I play 1 game vs AI trying to follow
3: go to 1
Very helpful to clarify forgotten points. Thanks for the great job!
(won some games in plat with the tacric from the 2023 pig gold video only)
Also the advice to manage control groups and to make more map control is SUPER MASSIVE
I really liked in this series how you slowed down both your reactions and your mechanics, and even made some classic mistakes to get down to … not a real plat, but a level of play I could relate to.
Feel like in the last game in particular - I feel like I’ll be hit with a situation that feels so chaotic, and it’s cool to see you take a situation that is definitely not ideal and apply some systems and get out of it!
cheers mate, really happy with the new format so glad I've got more time to explain everything
Dude grats, insane acting on that top gun movie of yours!
LUL
Hey! Just started laddering a month ago, and thanks to your new zerg B2GM series just got to platinum. You made a really good decision basing it on Ling Bane, this build is SO much fun to play and feels really satisfying.
I know you might do it anyways, and you have reserves with smurfing, but I think it would be really cool if you did a new more macro focused Protoss B2GM, because while I am learning protoss, I struggle trying to transition off of 2 bases. Even when I tell myself before the game "I'm not just going to do a 2 base all in, I'm going to go for a more macro heavy game" I end up just doing a 2 base all in because it just works and it's really hard to break that habit.
Remember that this (and the now-new Terran B2GM) is against volunteers of the appropriate MMR, he's not actually going on the ladder so no worries about smurfing :).
Dude you are BEST! I like your videos! Top content, thanks!
thnx mate!
What if Latifa and Freddy get mixed up, how can you tell which is which?
I always had a fascination with SC2, but never dared to dive into the game because it looked too complex for me to be bothered to pick up. These videos have got me in to the game. Using these videos got placed into G1, which I am very happy with. Thank you for getting me into this incredible game
eyy gold one is amazing! Well done mate
@@PiGCoaching Im P2 now, and getting a lot of ZvZ and Mass Ling Bane isnt working v well as you say in your video. You recommend sticking with it and focusing on fundamentals or learning Roach/Hydra for ZvZ?
2:22:08 interesting, I didn't realize spore crawlers didn't have detection while unburrowed
1:14:02 "A Day At The Races"; "A Night At The Opera"
Thanks for the series! Been very useful!
Still, I've a question about countering Protos mass air units army. It's so hard to deal with even if you spot this strat early on. The best way I've found is doing a mass base-trade cuz it turns out that mass ling-bane army is better at destroying buildings than mass Protos air army.
100% basetrading off a giant economy is usually a great way to play it with ling-bane. If they're heavy on carriers a mass round of corruptors to snipe them can work really well
Here we go!!!
18:46 I made it to diamond 3 without knowing this upgrade existed, thanks x)
Have i missed something, im confused why we do roach build sometimes, is it for zvz?
Merci Monsieur Cochon !
It looks so easy when you play :D
I've been playing sc2 on and off since the beta. There are plenty of tips here that I didn't even know about or forgot.
I always come back after not playing for a long while, and this is a great reminder of good fundamentals.
Great job on the video. Maybe I'll join the next video/stream. I'm a diamond 3 player atm. I play random but can choose any race/builds for what's needed.
I saw your video randomly on my UA-cam feed, decided to get SC2 and give it a shot. Got my ass handed to me by a 3k MMR player on my first match lololol. Was a real big ego hit since I played SC back in the day, even pre Brood War, and i at least remember being good….
Just to clarify, not crying too much about losing, but was definitely an ego check and sent me to AI matches to get the rhythm down
@@brandonkent356 eyy np mate it starts you in the middle of the ladder incase you're a returning higher level player - lose 5 or so games more and you'll be playing legit new and super oldschool players like yourself!
Any idea how to set up rapid fire with Grid? I like grid the most
same
Got called a maphacker today, for using the zergling natural scout and ovie sacrifice saw tons of halberds.
He did not expand, so I up my zerglinhs count and morph Bane immediately after I saw the halberds.
He's in total denial, that his timing was countered so well. Literally wiped his halberds in seconds.
My mistake which lost me the game was entertaining his shit talk, felt he was just trying to distract me, and yep he overwhelmed me with his next push.
From now onwards, just going to keep my focus until they are burnt to the ground. 😂
P.S. Terran used to be the bane of my existence, but this build really allow me to crush them.
Thanks!
hahaha I've lost many a game to getting distracted by the ingame banter too, you'll get em next time!
you started naming queens and overlords lol, when did this start haha.
Maybe after Neuro?
Gary and Bruce in my Terran b2gm were some memorable characters that I've used to remind people to keep building depots ever since then! Figured we need some memorable unit names
@@PiGCoaching Missed opportunity to call creep queen Spready Mercury.
about apm. PiG is obviously using reduced delays ) anyone can actually do this pretty easily. me is 3600 zerg and I'm using 5ms delay. minimum windows delay is 33ms i believe. mmr on the average went up from 250 to 300+
as for the b2gm itself im pretty happy to see it coming online. very cool that you're playing in customs and don't ruin some poor plat diamond bastards on the ladder) also very curious how are you going to deflect all sorts of toss allins higher on the level
Definitely will need to start scouting with a lot more detail in high diamond onwards
ZVZ Build: When you build the 17 drone for the pool, i have 1 extra larva im not using, because of waiting for the pool. Is that correct? Also I tend to have a lot of money and want to build extra hatchery in base is that fine or am I doing something wrong?
Hey Pig, I reached platinum rather quickly because of my history with RTS games, but I still feel I lack in the fundamental macro part. would it be wise to implement the platinum mechanics into my build and game plan already? Or should I stick to the fundamental practice?
Did I miss something? I feel like he never actually talked about the new zerg build order before the first game, right? Kinda just jumped into it...
Same build as the previous episode - just added in 2 queens. Check the google doc for the write up of the build order in the description of any B2GM Video: docs.google.com/document/d/1R-eYKP7GUjrAcXiRwsIZaa-pxwGPyq3O0VnBWR60qOc/edit
@@PiGCasts but the previous episode was ling-bane and the new build was a two-base roach timing. It's all good though - I saw the doc, so no issues, just got a little confused. :)
This strat almost works too well lol. I was able to make it to plat in ~half the games I played protoss, where I'm still only gold (I get killed a lot by harassment and rushes as protoss)
is it wrong to pull workers who are mining in the beginning to build pool/gas when your doing build orders like 17 hatch/18 gas/17 pool? Or do you que your drones in production to build the buildings instead?
if you can time it out to have a drone that just popped out before you have the money doing it that's optimal, but it's totally fine to pull workers off mining to build structures. Usually I'd use one that's just dropped off a load of minerals
Sorry if I somehow missed it but will there be further videos of the Zerg series with Diamond, etc and will there be Protoss & Terran series as well?
Please say yes :)
yes yes and yes :)
@@PiGCoaching omg the only better thing than that reply was seeing the newest zerg b2gm vid just dropped, wooooo
I know this is kinda "old" video but around 2:43 in ZVZ when your opponent rushes with ling/bane "all-in", is there a reason why you place sunken on your natural in the "open" as opposed to right next to hatchery? Like I would think placing sunken right next to hatch prevents lings from surrounding it. Or is this just more playstyle stuff?
For timestamps on UA-cam just write the actual time in the YT video to easily link where you're talking about. The spot you meant to mark was: 2:33:30
The reason I built it there is I'm planning to defend my ramp and that way it's closer to the ramp and can be moved to my natural faster. If you're more worried about just surviving you can build it in the middle of your mineral line and it's a little safer. In this case I already built the safe spine in the main mineral line and this second one is to try and secure the area towards the natural expansion
So I never noticed in the chaos of my games but bainlongs sometimes just derp around is you A move Into there main base they just bunch up at the wall and never go off but I'd you A move into there army they go off do you have to move onto the buildings walling off or what
yeah you have to right click them on the wall - I actually am so not used to explaining the details and playing so slowly I believe I forgot this whilst playing lol
Hey Pig, i have a question. What are the biggest differences between 3500 MMR and 4500 MMR. Then what is the biggest difference between 4500 and 5500 MMR and then whats the difference between 5500 and 6500 MMR and then whats the difference between 6500 and 7500 MMR? Would love to know your thoughts, thank you in advance
I definitely don't want to speak for Pig, but I do believe the answer to all those is 1000 MMR
Different for every single player. SC has so much range you can play such a wide variety of strategies. Essentially it's just more and more details that get added with each leap. You still might have someone suck really bad at macro but if they made it to 6k mmr with cannon rush only, they're going to have an insane level of DETAILS figured out for that style
When is the next vid coming ?! Waiting patiently...
wp to "phenix" (Game 5)
Game 5 is nowhere a platinum game, its low diamond at the least.
Still love the new format with showcasing different leagues with matches with clan members! (when are the streams?? I should attend)
Check out my B2GM updates channel on Discord to know when the next stream will be! discord.gg/E4xk8cB3Gc
Low diamond but can't build a wall for his natural?
Hi Pig, big fan here from France, i'm terran player it's like you're behind me when i'm playing and you're constantly saying "Macro cycle, send some mules, build some depots..." and when i'm in trouble i get back to normal easily, thank for your videos.
I juste have a question, how do you counter your massive ling/bane in terran ?
Thx again
Bio-mine and just making sure you have lots of vision to spot and block incoming ling-bane runbys will do the trick
Should call them Freddie, Mercury, and Van Halen.
Eddie
10th like , ez
yeah that was a rough experience for me xD I was like "surely he doesn't have a huge army right now". boy was I surprised lol
I feel like Korean server platinum is better than this. Would we say that plat 2 Korea is diamond on us server?
I don't know what happened. I used to crush Terrans as Zerg. 55-65%. It was my best matchup. I've hit Plat 2 Korean server and its dropped to 35%. I can still win on a roach cheese or when a gold pops up, but standard macro games I'm getting crushed. I just don't have enough to cover the first drop, or first marine/mine/tank push.
I can't get decent engagements with my ling/bane... I just never seem to have enough. Keep dying at the 10 minute mark. Terrans used to just do the same thing, but now they keep switching it up with mech / cruiser etc. Maybe Terrans are just better now.
Just sounds like a hard streak of the ladder where things are catching you off guard. We all hit these and it's important to not focus on big things like "man i suck vs terran right now" - though we all feel that way sometimes lol!
Instead try to focus on things you can control. Look at the replays and watch what's throwing you off, damaging you and putting you in deep waters. Usually Korean players are very good at attacking and disrupting their opponents, so learning responses for their harassment and attacks is really important.
Gl mate!
@@PiGCoaching I watch Scarlett and Serral make Queens OP. Dark to a more chaotic extent. They shut down early drops and hellbat timings like nothing. I try and use mass Queen and I look like a total spastic haha. Maybe mass Queen works better with Diamond APM. Maybe I can work on roach transition to survive early game. Thanks for the tips. Love your channel. Nothing like a bit of Aussie colour commentary with tons of advice thrown in.
32:00 I have one doubt: at this point you have absolutely no detection. I have no confidence in just reacting after I see Dts... Although you're obviously confident in your timed reaction, I don't think it's realistic for us merely mortals... lol. Is it too expensive in making detection whatever or should I just get good and making detection if absolutely necessary?
You can't always be safe vs everything at once or you're playing too paranoid. There'll naturally be things you run into a lot that I don't at all here, and if you want you can definitely throw some spores down at a set timing. In my experience DTs are very rare in ZvP so I wasn't even thinking about it. At the end of the day if DTs only hit you 1/20 games it's worth just skipping detection every game and copping the rare loss to being surprised. On the other hand if you play against DTs 3/5 games - start building spores every game! The meta shifts so if something is getting popular it's probably because pros or a content creator were using a certain strategy, and it'll spread through the ladder - so well worth responding to these patterns as you experience them.
@PiG Casts Wow, thanks for the reply. Now you just made me think something really new for me: metagame! I mean, yeah, it makes sense think about a strategy not for only one game, but for a set of several games and even paying the price of losing some of them, if you end up winning a bunch more. I'll be thinking about it now. Thanks a lot.
Why does Zerg start with an overlord? Terran do not start with a supply depot and Protoss do not start with a pylon.
hatcheries only provide 6 supply, Terran and Protoss get 15 from their CC/Nexus
@@PiGCoaching I wonder why they did it that way? Is it because they wanted the Zerg to start with an over lord? If so why did they want them to have an over lord at the beginning of the game?
Pig, how are you doing this? I'm in Plat3 and constantly being matched with D3-M3 and never ever with Plat, i have a winrate about 55%, and you have way higher winrate and you're matched with Plat...
He's playing against volunteers who are genuinely Platinum league
Winning more than half your games probably means you’re roughly at the right rank.
I get paired against a lot of people with better borders than I have, but they usually end up being around my mmr. You can check their profile: sometimes it’s a different race that they’ve got to Masters, and sometimes they genuinely were Masters but dropped to Plat mmr and the season just hasn’t reset them yet.
@@nanowasabi4421 it's more likely the MMR bug. Lots of people got masters placement with low MMR.
What's your actual MMR and that of your opponents? You do get occasional mismatches but ladder is incredible accurate in how it matches. There are rare cases where you get a 600+ mmr difference, especially if you play in the middle of the night or in a very isolated part of the world, but usually the opponents should be around your MMR.
Keep in mind people often have achieved a much higher rank in teamgames than 1v1, or used to be higher in a much older version of the game and aren't so high anymore
Name most ruined by movies I can think of so far is Hannibal
Nice series, but I don't understand the purpose behind "you guys always make this strategic mistake, so I will too." I understand playing at lower APM or inserting a delay into a reaction, fair enough. But making bad plays seems like the antithesis of a coaching series. After all, people watch these to learn to play better...
To show how to respond from a common situation players find themselves in. If I play too perfectly players will never see how I recover from bad situations, and that's just as valuable as anything else. I only purposefully make mistakes/misplays very occasionally. Usually it's more about slowing myself downo show how to respond from a common situation players find themselves in. If I play too perfectly players will never see how I recover from bad situations, and that's just as valuable as anything else. I only purposefully make mistakes/misplays very occasionally, usually just playing slower than I normally would
lol wtf is this game 6 against magicturtle? mass planetary fortress?? ok
Every Queen fan cringed to you saying Freddy Mercury is two band members. Lol.
I think that was a joke, but he at least should know the guitarist, Brian May 😜
@@lukesymonds1887 I don't think that was a joke. He is just not a Queen fan or just too young...or even both 😜😜😜
@@achso18 I refuse to believe anyone on this planet thinks 2 members of Queen are Freddie and Murcury lol
Freddie Mercury was a British singer and songwriter, who achieved worldwide fame as the lead vocalist of the rock band Queen