FyI, point defense turrets will fire on caustic missiels but can't damage them. You'd be better off with another heatsink or a shut down field neutralizer.
Yeah, I guess I didn't make that clear it the vid, but the whole point of that build is that you really don't need to do anything but change weapons to participate. None of those utility modules are actually good for AX combat because of Thargoid phasing & caustic damage. I probably should have left that part out, but I figured a lot of people might try that. I was just trying to point out that AX combat isn't that hard and you don't need a min/maxed build for scouts... The best actual countermeasures for AX combat is just running fast and cold...In my limited experience! That means running shieldless & hull tanking, like the other two builds. That's the best way to go--at least for small & medium ships, IMO. o7
Of for sure, just thought I would mention it as ive seen a couple folk in the AX CZ's running point defense, getting hit with caustic missiles and then complaining that there must be a bug or glitch. Scout busting is definitely a good place to start and I've heard that the newer AX multis and missiles are doing a lot better damage wise, no grinding required. I only got into AX combat with the protius wave CG so im pretty new to it myself. I'd also say that anyone brand new to AX combat should try playing in open, more experienced /better equipped players can handle the interceptors and having folk focused on scouts will help keep them off the backs of others. Fire a few shots at the interceptor that everyone is focused on and you should get some credit for the kill as well. o7 Commander!
@@Frozenwinter84 PDT's can and will pop the caustic missiles. But their effective range is so short that it doesn't matter. Missile pops when it hits you or missile pops 5 feet away from you. Either way you're wearing green stink until you either get a decontamination limpet or burn it off.
22:40 Since you can bind your Shutdown FN to a key now (Ship Controls > Flight Miscellaneous), I would do that, then split the shards up into two fire buttons. If you fire alternatively, you save a little bit on heat, as the short time between shots actually helps the ship cool the weapons.
I really want to do anti-xeno missions but Jesus Christ that grind is just ridiculous. I can't play often and having to do hours and hours of grind just to shoot some aliens sucks.
I'd love to participate in this, but I just don't have the time to dump into grinding out engineers. By the time I have that done the event will probably be over.
Felt the same, but turns out you don't really need all dem engineers. I've only got g3 thrusters from Felicity and it's enough. Got myself a pair of regular gauss cannons and have downed about 30 interceptors so far in my little dbs. More engineering makes solo easier, but like the man said playing this event in open and hunting with others is the way.
While point defense turrets will pop those caustic missiles. The range is short enough that nearly 99% of the time you end up with the green stinky on you anyway. Normally, you can avoid the caustic missiles (you do usually get warned they are coming at you) by popping the BOOST and maybe turning a bit one direction or another.
You DONT have to power up the pillars on the left and right of the ancient data terminal, all you have to do is drive near them and they rise up, at that point you can drive around near the other 4 pillars and they will also rise, once you know where all the pillars are, THEN shoot them to activate, this is much easier than driving around looking for them when the clock is ticking.
The best path at Guardian site is Terminal pair, Left, Bottom, Center, Right. Point Defense will pop missiles, I have no problems with them and PD. Don't park too close in a smaller ship, a Sentinel has managed to kill my DBX while it's parked before I could get to it. When you scan the terminal for the blueprint, it will spawn a couple that can be some distance from you, so take care parking. Grade 3 engineering is quite adequate, giving 70% of grade 5 bonuses. I went with Python(extra optional and more armor over Krait Mk2, less maneuverable), 3 x L AXMC, 1 x M AXMC, and 1 x M LR Beam with Heat Vent, all weapons turreted. All Armor G3+ Heavy Duty with Deep Plating. Engine is Armored with Thermal Spread, Power Distributer is Charge Enhanced with Flow Control. 2 heats sinks + ammo cap. All optionals are Hull Reinforcement(Heavy Duty, Deep Plating) with a single G2 Guardian Hull, and a supercruise assist(because). Ship runs super cool. Works great for Scouts, and haven't gotten an Interceptor yet. Came out to do the Guardian weapons for Shard Cannons, think they will do better for Interceptors. o7 CMDRs.
azimuth biotech is also located in the the T tauri system. If you have a lot of credits to spare you can just do the support missions, you give them credits, you get rep. do this untill you are allied. Got mine in an hour. from neutral to allied. lot easier than doing mission where you actually have to do something.
I haven't been on in a while. I have a kraitII fitted with the Bright Sentinel modified shard cannons. Or those still relevant or do I need different ones now?
why are you using Reactive Surface Composites? I thought thargoid weapons ignored resistances and only the absolute value matters? In which case military grade is more cost effective.
Everyone is using the krait, meanwhile I'm jetting around in my FDL and Mamba. Most fun I've had in ages lol. Also trailing sights work better for the mod guardian weapons than leading
You can play this content in "Elite Dangerous 4.0." That's the version of the base game that shares the same galaxy with Odyssey. So, yeah you can play without Odyssey.
i would argue the DBs is the better small AX ship compare to DBx, u lost some HP, kept the 4 utility slots, and were able to use 4 hardpoints instead of 3. 2 small hardpoints is way better than 1 large cuz the "good" guardian weapons are small/medium exclusive
Too bad my joystick for my hotas isn't cooperating anymore. I want to get revenge on the one that dragged me out of hyperspace and blew me out of the proverbial water in 3 seconds flat.
1:25 .... um they have many MANY other names XDD most just end in flower but heres some space flower, death flower, goides, bugs ect they have many names
Mbooni needs permit and NO you can't have permit for Mbooni, accept you've made the CG in September or so. That means NO AZIMUTH WEAPON yet. We have to wait.
Dude.... The tutorials are great, but these builds are no good I hope you take this as neutral criticism. Never seen your content before and I really enjoyed. But unfortunettly I couldn' t recommend these builds. Really like the way you explain things, you just gotta work on your understanding of the combat mechanics and numbers. Here are the problems I saw. -Unlocking 2 guardian modules [hull and gauss] would do way more to a new player than all those other steps. [Also doesn't need an specific tech broker, just regular guardian one] -A grading everything and engineering too much, even the frameshift... like why? Recommending to unlock all guardian weapons instead of the one most viable and usable in all ships, the Medium GAUSS, is so time consuming. Not unlocking guardian Hull reinforcement such a bad thing, look at all that engineering time spent, why didn't you just use it? A build full of guardian hulls that is a single unlock will give more HP and resist to caustic than in any of these builds. Compared to all guns shown, a single medium gauss cannon does more damage, draws less power and heat, and has more ammo, while being hitscan. Volture build is very bad even for role swap. I get that the point was ''put an AX gun and it will be enough to start'' But you could explain about how hull is way more important and shields are bad in AX and swich those optional and utility slots. Someone is going to have a bad time copying this. Thinking they can't survive a few scouts. Because this build even with engineering uses so much power for so little absolute health. -DBX build is full of wierd choices Love the DBX but is more expansive and worst for combat than DBS. You don' t even use the Large Hardpoint, so why? DBS is better for AX because of improved movement, has more hardpoints, tanks more, runs cooler, also is smaller and cheaper. -Plasma Acelerator is the worst of the usable guardian weapons, not the best -The Krait I like shard cannons, but I don't get the turreted beam why not fixed? Why would you vent with a weapon that does less damage and draws more power. Still no guardian hull, not even meta-alloy. Hope you keep doing videos and get better and better at this new update to provide the quality content I know you can deliver. Happy holydays =]
I appreciate the time taken to make this post... But you're just wrong about a lot of things here. My approach to engineering is less min/max and more about minimizing time away from combat. You can make a case for unlocking med Gauss instead of the modified shards and PA, but then you've done nearly the same amount of grinding for less weapon/choice. The modified guardian weapons are nearly as effective and more versatile and fun in my opinion. The ability to mount 3 modified PA's is the reason for using the DBX full stop. Everything else is a compromise to accommodate that extra firepower. That's why I use it over the DBS. Also, I'm pretty sure the DBS does not tank more since the DBX has better/more internals. Just sayin'. As far as the turreted laser goes, that's only there for heat sinking. The idea is to make it fire-and-forget cooling that will track and shoot without my intervention. I'll be honest, I just got that from a (relatively) experienced AX guy on FDev's forums. I know it provides some additional cooling and I had a free spot, so... As for the guardian hull/module reinforcement, I will NEVER use that since human tech is adequate. My main focus is PvE/PvP combat and that's the only hull engineering I'm willing to do. All my builds are refits to one degree or another. If you want fully min/maxed meta builds, those are pretty easy to find elsewhere. o7
@@ManusDextra this I gotta Agree, the weapons are way more fun. I mean the engineering for the hull though. New players would need not only unlock the engineers, but farm the materials for multiple hulls. And right now Raw mats are bugged in odissey =/ Those are mostly my personal opinions after doing combat for a long time and introducing lazy friends to it haha. Keep up the good content
If you farm mats in Horizons/Legacy mode they will not show up in Odyssey. Odyssey and Horizons/Legacy mode don't share progress anymore. So, NOBODY SHOULD DO THIS.
FyI, point defense turrets will fire on caustic missiels but can't damage them. You'd be better off with another heatsink or a shut down field neutralizer.
Yeah, I guess I didn't make that clear it the vid, but the whole point of that build is that you really don't need to do anything but change weapons to participate.
None of those utility modules are actually good for AX combat because of Thargoid phasing & caustic damage.
I probably should have left that part out, but I figured a lot of people might try that. I was just trying to point out that AX combat isn't that hard and you don't need a min/maxed build for scouts...
The best actual countermeasures for AX combat is just running fast and cold...In my limited experience!
That means running shieldless & hull tanking, like the other two builds.
That's the best way to go--at least for small & medium ships, IMO.
o7
I heard from a bird that the enhanced turrets can destroy caustic missles, but I haven't tried myself.
Of for sure, just thought I would mention it as ive seen a couple folk in the AX CZ's running point defense, getting hit with caustic missiles and then complaining that there must be a bug or glitch. Scout busting is definitely a good place to start and I've heard that the newer AX multis and missiles are doing a lot better damage wise, no grinding required. I only got into AX combat with the protius wave CG so im pretty new to it myself. I'd also say that anyone brand new to AX combat should try playing in open, more experienced /better equipped players can handle the interceptors and having folk focused on scouts will help keep them off the backs of others. Fire a few shots at the interceptor that everyone is focused on and you should get some credit for the kill as well. o7 Commander!
@@Frozenwinter84 PDT's can and will pop the caustic missiles. But their effective range is so short that it doesn't matter. Missile pops when it hits you or missile pops 5 feet away from you. Either way you're wearing green stink until you either get a decontamination limpet or burn it off.
@@draconusspiritus1037 so functionally useless instead of fully useless. Lol.
12:23 Something fun to note is that you can actually run around on foot and charge up those pillars with your hand weapons if you so choose.
Thank you ! I've been gone almost a year. I'll come back this week to help out. Glad to see you're still here and thanks for the information. ~Mu
Great guide - timely as I'm just getting back into ED!
They have given the option of having the Field Neutraliser on a button now, that was you can split you shards from your beam laser.
22:40 Since you can bind your Shutdown FN to a key now (Ship Controls > Flight Miscellaneous), I would do that, then split the shards up into two fire buttons. If you fire alternatively, you save a little bit on heat, as the short time between shots actually helps the ship cool the weapons.
Thank you so so much! I've been trying to find a guide like this one but all the ones I've found were years old
Cool video, man. Proper help for new and returning players
I really want to do anti-xeno missions but Jesus Christ that grind is just ridiculous. I can't play often and having to do hours and hours of grind just to shoot some aliens sucks.
Dextra doing Elite content again..... All is right with the universe. Happy AF about this video!!!
Thank you for this video! Very well made!
I'd love to participate in this, but I just don't have the time to dump into grinding out engineers. By the time I have that done the event will probably be over.
Hi Man, I think it won't and its because of the veeeery slow pace Elite is progressing. I think this will go on probably for the next 3-5 months.
You got time, this war will not be over quickly.
@@Frozenwinter84 Also, if you go shieldless, that's an entire category of engineers you can avoid!.
Felt the same, but turns out you don't really need all dem engineers. I've only got g3 thrusters from Felicity and it's enough. Got myself a pair of regular gauss cannons and have downed about 30 interceptors so far in my little dbs. More engineering makes solo easier, but like the man said playing this event in open and hunting with others is the way.
Great guide! Thank you!
While point defense turrets will pop those caustic missiles. The range is short enough that nearly 99% of the time you end up with the green stinky on you anyway. Normally, you can avoid the caustic missiles (you do usually get warned they are coming at you) by popping the BOOST and maybe turning a bit one direction or another.
You DONT have to power up the pillars on the left and right of the ancient data terminal, all you have to do is drive near them and they rise up, at that point you can drive around near the other 4 pillars and they will also rise, once you know where all the pillars are, THEN shoot them to activate, this is much easier than driving around looking for them when the clock is ticking.
The best path at Guardian site is Terminal pair, Left, Bottom, Center, Right. Point Defense will pop missiles, I have no problems with them and PD. Don't park too close in a smaller ship, a Sentinel has managed to kill my DBX while it's parked before I could get to it. When you scan the terminal for the blueprint, it will spawn a couple that can be some distance from you, so take care parking.
Grade 3 engineering is quite adequate, giving 70% of grade 5 bonuses. I went with Python(extra optional and more armor over Krait Mk2, less maneuverable), 3 x L AXMC, 1 x M AXMC, and 1 x M LR Beam with Heat Vent, all weapons turreted. All Armor G3+ Heavy Duty with Deep Plating. Engine is Armored with Thermal Spread, Power Distributer is Charge Enhanced with Flow Control. 2 heats sinks + ammo cap. All optionals are Hull Reinforcement(Heavy Duty, Deep Plating) with a single G2 Guardian Hull, and a supercruise assist(because). Ship runs super cool. Works great for Scouts, and haven't gotten an Interceptor yet. Came out to do the Guardian weapons for Shard Cannons, think they will do better for Interceptors. o7 CMDRs.
azimuth biotech is also located in the the T tauri system. If you have a lot of credits to spare you can just do the support missions, you give them credits, you get rep. do this untill you are allied.
Got mine in an hour. from neutral to allied. lot easier than doing mission where you actually have to do something.
Those Shard cannons look cool, but I love my gauss cannons
I'm a lover, not a fighter. I'll stick to running evacs if you don't mind.
Ok, DBX huh, I might give it a try.
I haven't been on in a while. I have a kraitII fitted with the Bright Sentinel modified shard cannons. Or those still relevant or do I need different ones now?
@Azimuth grind, you can sell Exploration / xenobiology data to their station in T Tauri
oh gankers are there, seen one waiting at small spaceport
this might be great if i had engineering 😋
why are you using Reactive Surface Composites? I thought thargoid weapons ignored resistances and only the absolute value matters? In which case military grade is more cost effective.
Yep, military composite is more cost-effective. I used reactive surface composites because I'm unwilling to engineer another hull for PvP.
o7
Everyone is using the krait, meanwhile I'm jetting around in my FDL and Mamba. Most fun I've had in ages lol. Also trailing sights work better for the mod guardian weapons than leading
ay cuh i like your style!
wait what? class 2 guardian shards bec there are not bigger? hmmmm how about class 3 guardian shards....? What did i miss?
The class 2s are pre-engineered.
can we fight in the war without odyssey? because it seem to be more about horizon contect but not sure about it?
You can play this content in "Elite Dangerous 4.0."
That's the version of the base game that shares the same galaxy with Odyssey.
So, yeah you can play without Odyssey.
@@ManusDextra cool thanks
i would argue the DBs is the better small AX ship compare to DBx, u lost some HP, kept the 4 utility slots, and were able to use 4 hardpoints instead of 3. 2 small hardpoints is way better than 1 large cuz the "good" guardian weapons are small/medium exclusive
Sure, the DBX is a compromise because I'm not willing to grind for two different sizes of GC at the moment.
@@ManusDextra give it a try, with one more hardpoint u can bring thermal vent laser and that is a game changer in terms of heat sink management
SUBBED
Too bad my joystick for my hotas isn't cooperating anymore. I want to get revenge on the one that dragged me out of hyperspace and blew me out of the proverbial water in 3 seconds flat.
1:25 .... um they have many MANY other names XDD most just end in flower but heres some space flower, death flower, goides, bugs ect they have many names
That’s all the bonds you have?
:)
Thumbs down for not having Amber ship screens…
*promosm* 😍
Mbooni needs permit and NO you can't have permit for Mbooni, accept you've made the CG in September or so. That means NO AZIMUTH WEAPON yet. We have to wait.
Dude....
The tutorials are great, but these builds are no good
I hope you take this as neutral criticism.
Never seen your content before and I really enjoyed. But unfortunettly I couldn' t recommend these builds.
Really like the way you explain things, you just gotta work on your understanding of the combat mechanics and numbers.
Here are the problems I saw.
-Unlocking 2 guardian modules [hull and gauss] would do way more to a new player than all those other steps. [Also doesn't need an specific tech broker, just regular guardian one]
-A grading everything and engineering too much, even the frameshift... like why?
Recommending to unlock all guardian weapons instead of the one most viable and usable in all ships, the Medium GAUSS, is so time consuming.
Not unlocking guardian Hull reinforcement such a bad thing, look at all that engineering time spent, why didn't you just use it?
A build full of guardian hulls that is a single unlock will give more HP and resist to caustic than in any of these builds.
Compared to all guns shown, a single medium gauss cannon does more damage, draws less power and heat, and has more ammo, while being hitscan.
Volture build is very bad even for role swap.
I get that the point was ''put an AX gun and it will be enough to start''
But you could explain about how hull is way more important and shields are bad in AX and swich those optional and utility slots.
Someone is going to have a bad time copying this. Thinking they can't survive a few scouts. Because this build even with engineering uses so much power for so little absolute health.
-DBX build is full of wierd choices
Love the DBX but is more expansive and worst for combat than DBS. You don' t even use the Large Hardpoint, so why?
DBS is better for AX because of improved movement, has more hardpoints, tanks more, runs cooler, also is smaller and cheaper.
-Plasma Acelerator is the worst of the usable guardian weapons, not the best
-The Krait
I like shard cannons, but I don't get the turreted beam why not fixed?
Why would you vent with a weapon that does less damage and draws more power.
Still no guardian hull, not even meta-alloy.
Hope you keep doing videos and get better and better at this new update to provide the quality content I know you can deliver.
Happy holydays =]
I appreciate the time taken to make this post... But you're just wrong about a lot of things here.
My approach to engineering is less min/max and more about minimizing time away from combat.
You can make a case for unlocking med Gauss instead of the modified shards and PA, but then you've done nearly the same amount of grinding for less weapon/choice.
The modified guardian weapons are nearly as effective and more versatile and fun in my opinion.
The ability to mount 3 modified PA's is the reason for using the DBX full stop. Everything else is a compromise to accommodate that extra firepower. That's why I use it over the DBS.
Also, I'm pretty sure the DBS does not tank more since the DBX has better/more internals. Just sayin'.
As far as the turreted laser goes, that's only there for heat sinking.
The idea is to make it fire-and-forget cooling that will track and shoot without my intervention.
I'll be honest, I just got that from a (relatively) experienced AX guy on FDev's forums. I know it provides some additional cooling and I had a free spot, so...
As for the guardian hull/module reinforcement, I will NEVER use that since human tech is adequate. My main focus is PvE/PvP combat and that's the only hull engineering I'm willing to do.
All my builds are refits to one degree or another. If you want fully min/maxed meta builds, those are pretty easy to find elsewhere.
o7
@@ManusDextra this I gotta Agree, the weapons are way more fun.
I mean the engineering for the hull though. New players would need not only unlock the engineers, but farm the materials for multiple hulls. And right now Raw mats are bugged in odissey =/
Those are mostly my personal opinions after doing combat for a long time and introducing lazy friends to it haha. Keep up the good content
Might also mention that guardian sites are bugged in Odyssey and you should switch to horizon to farm them
If you farm mats in Horizons/Legacy mode they will not show up in Odyssey.
Odyssey and Horizons/Legacy mode don't share progress anymore.
So, NOBODY SHOULD DO THIS.