Fun fact if you cast heal (the spell of that name) on your dark urge after finding out you are a bhalspawn you regain some memories of your childhood, that you lived in the city and had adoptive parents, friends, a life before the Urge appeared and washed away who you were, making it possible for you to have been a paladin before your blood corrupted you
@@sethsummers6528 Except its explicitly the alignment system. You do good, you are good. You do evil, you are evil. You follow the law, you are lawful. You embrace chaos, you are chaotic.
@@sethsummers6528ah yes, let toss out fiend, celestial, fey, aberration, undead, elemental and dragon too because they’re straight up bound to alignment
Not sure if that would work. I dont think he is "real" but also doubt its his problem. Im sure he would just tell you that its not his place to do such a thing
I mean, he tells us there was a bounty on his head, so he had to have been a material being at some point. Who’s to say he wouldn’t fight the greater evil, he’s a paladin after all@@joedatius
@@joedatius To be bound to such rules, to be forced to be unable to act- even at the behest of another, even with the fate of everybody's freedom at stake... sounds an awful lot like an oath, doesn't it?
Would be cool if each class had a class-specific ally that could be gained to help with the final battle. Oathbreaker would have been neat as a paladin-specific option.
Well shit, part of the reason I didn't go with Dark Urge for the Paladin was because I didn't think the class made sense with the Dark Urge backstory. Had no clue they would actually address it.
Oddly enough I saw an interview where one of the devs said paladin was originally going to be the default class for the Dark Urge and they changed it to sorcerer because it was less complicated to roleplay.
Redeemed Durge is so good. My personal favorite is a Cleric7/Paladin5 of Eilestraee. Essentially, as the Goddess of Freedom, she decided to directly intervene on the Durge’s behalf in order to free him from Bhaal.
Fun fact, if you talk to Sarevok as an Oathbreaker Durge he mentions that they broke their oath by killing their entire order before becoming the Bhaalist cult leader.
That's a really nice way to explain how your oath-breaker Paladin with dark urge I wish if you went down the dark urge path and with the pounding class you're automatically an oathbreaker
I love how they not only included the Oathbreaker, but they didn't stick to a generic "I broke my oath because I'm EVIL" story. No, they broke their Oath because they realized they swore an Oath to someone cruel and undeserving...but they still BROKE their OATH. But further, The Oathbreaker knows what MAKES a Paladin, and so can reassure you that whatever good deeds or cruel you've done as a Bhaalspawn, it isn't all you are.
I fully beleive if they ever include future oaths in the patches, we get acess to the Crown Oath. Mainly cause I think that was the Oathbreaker's original Oath... you make an Oath to a King/Council/City/Law, wich means you may be forced to do some messed up shit to maintain it depending on the law/kings order.
@@peterwhite6415 I mean the issue is like how would that affect gameplay? there arent exactly that many character you could be connected to by that oath in the game
@@stellabjerkered2375 maybe you could swear an oath to balduran and break it by going against the emperor's wishes, like going to the house of hope. maybe even by going through the creche or trying to kill the dream visitor, but that would kinda spoil the whole plot twist of act 3 in act 1, although the dream visitor could say that they were "very close" to balduran or something if you do that and that's why your oath was broken. or swear an oath to a specific ruler of a certain race's home city, i.e. elturel and break it by killing any members of that race that aren't hostile to you by default. being a crown paladin of balduran could maybe give you a lot of interesting dialogue choices in act 3, and dialogue options with florick and the flaming fist, and being a paladin of another city could give you dialogue options with specific races, i.e. a crown paladin of elturel could have some more dialogue with zevlor and the tieflings. could be interesting. paladin and bard are already kinda established to be the "main character" classes by courtesy of getting a lot of dialogue options and special interactions, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to have a paladin oath directly connected to the game's plot either.
I love it so so so much. I love how they made Oathbreaker a class with nuanced lore instead of basic "MUAHAHAH IM EVIL NOW" lore. I honestly always loved the aesthetics of Oathbreaker, but I never vibed with the "Paladins who seek power and to do evil" because it is a very simple reason and I always thought a paladin can break their Oath for very good reasons; like a paladin can falter in their convictions, and not for selfish evil reasons either, or even do acts of good that go against the tenants of their Oath. Oathbreaker in BG3 heavily reminds me of Dark Knights in FFXIV, we even have an NPC similar to the Oathbreaker Knight and I wouldn't be surprised if they got inspired by this to adjust the lore.
oathbreaker durge is just so cool!! it adds a whole new depth to durge, specifically if you’re going down the path of rejecting bhaal. i love this game dude 😭
I could swear it's Matthew Mercer. I've heard enough of his on-the-spot-scottish-accent bartender/barmaid NPCs on Critical Role to recognize it anywhere. But I could be wrong
My Dark Urge used his Oath of the Ancients as a beacon of light to extinguish the darkness of his soul. He succeeded, only breaking his oath when he let Ethel live in exchange for her surrender of both the power and Mayrina. He reclaimed his Oath asap, without becoming a full Oathbreaker
Im actually playing Oath of Vengence Durge run. I still haven't broken my Oath. I mean I broke it in the shadowlands but I didn't want to try oathbreaker paladin yet beause it's my first time playing a Paladin.
Anyone else think that the Oathbreaker Knight needed some sort of reverb or effect on his voice to make him sound more supernatural? Like he's literally covered in fire and his eyes are burning, but he just sounds like a Glaswegian crack-head
My theory: the paladin oaths are vague, nonsensical and easy to break on purpose. Whoever is responsible for them needs money to keep the whole paladin infrastructure going. So they force their affiliates to pay from time to time under the pretense of "reclaiming their oaths". The oathbreaker knight is just a tax collector.
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." I'm sure people will recognize the quote and how it applies here.
the character that I beat my first playthrough with was an oathbreaker/reclaimed oath of vengeance durge, and truly its the most satisfying thing to not only learn about but also play as, truly one of my favorite stories to have created with a character
Fun fact: The “Oathbreaker” Paladin in BG3 is actually the Dark Knight Paladin from original D&D lore/game play. While most Paladin mains prefer the Holy Knight version that traditionally runs a good play style, the Dark Knight/Oathbreaker is for those who want an evil play style. The only thing I wish BG3 incorporated was the ability to play as a Shadow Druid.
Probably any niche class that needed extra voice over or dialogue tweaks since the faction exists in game was out of the table, why clerics of shar/bhaal/bane/myrkul got cut even after they already recorded dialogue for acts 1 and 2.
kinda fitting for DUrge to be an Oathbreaker. Blood is stronger than any oath, yet you broke free from it's influence. And the First Oathbreaker, judging by his history, was also a dude who was disillusioned in his patron, so he broke his oath.
Anytime something important is being said but i see karlach slightly in the backgroundI just focus on her and try to figure out the hell she's doing so I gotta replay the dialogue She's constantly moving
I played my durge run as an oathbreaker and broke the oath as soon as possible so I could flavour it as being oath of conquest, broken by not doing indulging in the urge and killing innocents (we'll ignore the tieflings who captured Laezel). Had no idea this was a thing, maybe by the time I reclaimed my oath the dialogue option was gone
this reminded me of a video I saw about a head canon on the powers of the paladin and why it uses charisma instead of wisdom or intelligence for spells: A paladin's oath isn't bound to what God they align it to, it is their belief itself that empowers them to an otherworldly nature, the gods function more like a witness to them to uphold those beliefs
Its surprisingly easy not to break the oath of vengeance as Durge but then again i do play mostly good to overcome the base evil I wonder do you break your oath if you kill the bard Alferia or the dragon chick?
Oathbreaker Knight really pulled a Mewtwo: "The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." LMAO
Pretty sensible dialogue response, as it leaves it open-ended (given it's the player's own character, so you would hope the voiceover wouldn't "rewrite" their own backstory).
I’m not sure if I’ve run into a bug here, but I’ve just broken my oath in Act 3, after finding out I’m a bhaalspawn, and I haven’t had any dialogue options relating to the dark urge, have I done something wrong? I haven’t fought Orin yet, but I’ve received the cutscene revealing what I am, and have gone through my first encounter with Gortash
My Dark Urge was a Wild Magic Sorcerer, but I multi-classed as an Oath of Vengeance Paladin in Act 3. I almost immediately broke my oath by helping Astarion sacrifice 7,000 people to become a Vampire Ascendent. Not my finest move, but I killed Isobel to unlock the Slayer Form, and convinced Shadowheart to kill Dame Aylin to become a Dark Justiciar, so an Oathbreaker Paladin suited my Dark Urge quite nicely. With the Gloves of Dexterity and the Finesse weapon you get for killing the Hag in Act 3, I was havin a blast making my father proud.
@@MarkATorres1989 I mean Volo is one of the weave anchors, so he is actually fairly important. And he is also semi-immortal, or at least he can use the weave to live a much longer life than a human should be able to.
@@elenalizabeth Yeah I know... sort of. I still don't like him though or any of the old 8 wizards, nor will it stop me for trying to make a poor joke out of it.
IIRC he broke his Path because he no longer believed in the tenets he swore to uphold on a moral level. He still believes paladins in general should fight for what they truly believe in. If you are of a mind that you *should* reclaim your oath, I would think he would agree that you should, just like how he doesn't pass judgment if you decide you're better off an Oathbrealer like he is
I just wanna know the story of how it stayed in tact as the paladin enacted *everything* that lead up to the absolute (assuming the story of Durge stays the same)
it's never explicitly stated that durge was a murder-hobo during the events that led up to their capture, so it's possible that paladin durge decided to turn against bhaal shortly before they were betrayed, since it's already established that even pure bhaalspawn can turn against bhaal with enough willpower, which durge would've presumably had since they're repeatedly described as being far more "controlled" than orin. maybe they even swore their oath while captured, which would make a lot of sense for the oath of vengeance. in 5e and BG3 by extension paladins don't get their powers from any deity even if most of them follow one, they get them solely from their oath, so it's honestly more reasonable for durge to be a paladin than a cleric as the barrier of entry is just "swear that you'll serve your oath", unless you argue that they turned to the gods when betrayed considering that bhaal has forsaken them and whichever god is chosen would've gladly answered their prayers to take such a loyal servant away from bhaal.
@@alnosoDurge has had violent urges since they killed their adoptive parents, but they were normal once. It's possible that Durge tried to escape Bhaal before, but failed (especially since it's stated Durge once returned to the temple after slaughtering their order) sounds like Durge was like an addict suffering from relapse. Trying to get better, giving in and indulging until trying to get better again
It didn't, it's pretty canon that Durge broke their Oath by murdering their entire paladin order if they are a paladin. I think, however, what could have happened is that once you awoke in the Nautilod you had no memories of your past life, and that very personality you had before being corrupted as the Temple of Bhaal's leader (not when your first urges appear, because Bhaalspawn can still be good and have good morals) reemerges, so that's why you have your Oath again; because you forgot what made you cruel. However, my honest opinion is that this makes no sense because a Paladin's Oath is so engraved in a person's soul that even after losing your memories you would still be an Oathbreaker. But probably they decided to make it this way to not give you spoilers (If you are an Oathbreaker it kind of shows you were not a very good person before or something corrupted you), because Oathbreaker is harder to play and mostly in the Shadow-Cursed Lands (Aura of Hate gives more damage to you and undead), and because of technical issues (how would the Oathbreaker Knight introduce himself if you have already broken your Oath, etc.)
Really looking forward to my Durge run....now I just gotta lock down what class I want it to be. ............and finish my Monk run. ...............................and my Bard run. Both are in Act 3 so they're getting close, but having played since PC launch I'm in desperate need of a break. xD
Oathbreaker bhaalspawn kinda feels like the most fitting way to play this game. You even have high strength and charisma for carrying all the loot and dialog options.
The only way I can think to explain it is that they swore their oath before coming to the temple, fell to Bhaal and broke it, and apparently losing their memories counted as them being a new person entirely so the oath was reclaimed.
IMO starting as Oath of Ancients or Oath of Devotion is kind of a stretch for Durge. Oath of Vengeance sort of works since your first thought upon waking up is that you're going to claw your way out of the nautiloid and punish whoever took your memories. They would probably have been something like Oath of Conquest pre-tadpole, but that's not a choice in the game.
To think I’m wearing the exact same armor but I turned all of it white to represent my character as a hero. Until I saw this character and was like daaaaaaamn this guy looks the exact opposite of me 0-0 I thought I was gonna die 😂
I started as a bard and turned paladin on level 2, I think Then went three more levels into bard, three more into paladin and now I'm currently working on the last four bard levels
Question for anyone. I played as a bard/paladin, vengeance on my honor run. I killed the elephant in the Baal temple and thought that would break my oath but it didn’t. I was in shapeshifter mode which can often affect the story and wondered if that was it. Shouldnt that have broken my oath?
A vengeance oath doesn't force you to protect the weak or spare the innocent or anything like that. A vengeance oath is in the lines of "Help people commit vengeance and don't ever get in the way of a vengeance". This is the least good aligned oath of the three. Actually there's literally nothing good aligned with this oath Standing between the tiefling woman and the goblin prisoner breaks your oath because she's trying to get revenge, but killing an unspeakable amount of innocents doesn't because there's no notion of vengeance involved
@@ANCIENTWARRI0R yeah you only have to follow what's written in the tenet. Nothing about being a paladin is inherently good, it's all in the specific oath
@@mitsunitaiko1742 not technically that oath mentions you need to fight againts greater evil but it also breaks when you kill innocents because sacrificing valeria brakes your oath.oath of vengeance says as long as you kill evil without killing innocents you can achieve that goal however you want as long as you dont let great evil go freely.you can lie or break something or even steal in order to kill evil
I accidently broke my Oath and was like shit but when I met the Oathbreaker and talked to him and got his story I was like well shit I am staying Oathbreaker
Exactly what happened to me. Stupidly enough, my oath broke because I killed goblins? Either way, it was the best thing to happen to me because the oathbreaker is fucking awesome
Oathbreaker Knight: “You can always choose to let go of that darkness and become a better person. It’s never too late.” Durge: **awkwardly peers over his shoulder at Volo’s mutilated corpse** “Uhhhh, yeah, for sure, for sure… Raincheck?”
Oathbreaker knight: I broke my oath and am therefore evil. And so I go around... Helping people. Muahahahaha! Now let me lecture you on having the choice to be good even when tainted by evil, while I carry out divine will and ensure oathbreakers regain their loyalty to their oaths.
Kinda odd they felt the need to explain it. 5e paladins do *not* have to be paragons of virtue (i.e. Lawful Good only). A Bhaalspawn who decided to align themselves with daddy and become an Oath of Vengeance paladin makes perfect sense.
I'm guessing it's because: 1-you can make good oaths 2-Larian saw coming the millions of people who would call it an inconsistency to be able to be a dark urge paladin if that dialogue didn't exist
@@theprinceofawesomeness Black literally, yes, but if you think deeper, the abilities embrace the powers of darkness but that doesn't mean they are evil or will be used for evil. That's nuance and greyness.
@@blancat.7174 the ability Aura of Hate is a buff to any Fiend and Undead, you are helping objective evil which makes it an objective evil class, there as the person using the class might not be evil the powers comes from evil to help evil. Oathbreaker simply clashes thematicly with the rest of the paladin kit, if you want a grey paladin subclass then we need to talk about Oath of Conquest (which is slightely darker than grey) or Oath of Vangence (wchich is on the lighter side)
In theory, but 5e paladins are powered by their oaths rather than directly by a god, and most of the oaths require you to commit to doing good instead of evil, so people usually think of them as heroic.
@@ErgoNothing Which begs the question, how did Minthara keep her oath, her actions weren't even her own given she was under influence of the parasite yet still she most certainly was not fighting the greater evil by being a pawn of the entire plot to end the fucking world. Guess it's another case of tadpole handwaivium this game loves so much.
I played a paladin in early access and it turned out that killing goblins was breaking my oath. Felt really stupid but I got to meet a freaking narzugon so I wasn't mad for long. I wonder if he has any interaction with Mizora. They are both devils, maybe they know each other.
I myeah the oath of devotion involves never killing innocents or people who are "temporarily hostile" as that's a murder you committed on your own and not something somewhat necessary. I had the same thing happen in moonrise towers' prison when I preemptively killed the guards to make the prison break easier
@@mitsunitaiko1742 I am aware of that now and it's stupid. This is the equivalent of the DM railroading you into breaking your oath due to arbitrarily ruling that someone you've killed is innocent despite being outwardly guilty of henous shit.
@@BIGESTblade it's really easy to avoid in hindsight lol. Either toggle non lethal damage or have someone else kill them You only break your path if you personally dealt the killing blow
@@BIGESTblade I encourage you to reread the tenets of the oath of devotion "Show mercy to your foes, but temper it with wisdom" Basically it's ok to kill them when you really need it, not when you attack them out of the blue. "Treat others with fairness, and let your honorable deeds be an example to them. Do as much good as possible while causing the least amount of harm". If you wanted an oath that lets you kill evil people as much as you want, you should have picked oath of vengeance
@@mitsunitaiko1742 That can apply to the guild in the city but not to absolutists. Goblins actively threaten the druids in the Grove plus hostages. Killing them is the way to be merciful because it results in less casualties. In Moonrise Towers Aylin will kill absolutely everybody she can even if unnecessary so your oath should fail because you didn't stop her and Jaheira with her men. But the game is intelligent enough to realize that it would be unreasonable and doesn't penalize you despite your actions causing unnesecary harm
The Oath Breaker thing was a cool idea....it's too bad Larian botched it so badly. Especially for Vengeance Paladins. Oh, you *didn't* want to take a life you deemed to be innocent but the game thinks you should kill? Guess you want to fully embrace evil and darkness and summon army's of undead and fight with a sinful necrotic energy! No middle ground. Usually your powers stop working and then you continue on the path to being an oath breaker. In BG3 Lord Soth's honor guard shows up to to congratulate you on being so evil. Honestly the Oath Breaker seems more like the antithesis to a Devotion Paladin.. But then so does a Vengeance Paladin, in a way.
@@GigiBranconi Well there's is a discordance between gameplay and cutscenes then, same with Aylin being a badass psychopath during scripted stuff yet she folds in two hits during actual gameplay to the point it's comical, her sitting the entire acolyte fight out on the floor then magically appearing stomping the corpse of her gf's father like it's a mosquito.
wont lie, I hate the oathbreaker subclass. To me it just goes against the whole scheme of paladin being 'yeah, that thing that you swore to stand by and the very willpower behind such an ideal? That literally lets you influence reality, don't fuck this up.' in short by being 'you fucked this up.' Granted, i don't like how BG3 handles oathbreaking either, I wish there was more warnings about it as your character would know more about what breaks their oath than we would. But yes, long story short, I heavily dislike oathbreaker. others can play it and that's fine, but even it's flavor that you 'vowed to serve dark forces'... THAT'S STILL AN OATH! Give it it's own tenets! players can ignore the tenets if they and the dm both agree that's okay! All that being said... I fuckin love the oathbreaker paladin guy... which i find funny.
It doesnt make sense, unless Durge paladin is only a paladin after you wake up on the nautiloid, them being even a vengeance paladin makes zero sense since they are described as merciless and indiscriminate killers, if they had been like the emperor describes himself then maybe but urge? Yeah no.
![The Oathbreaker Knight Reveals His Origin [Baldur’s Gate 3]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HjYslAp8Oyo/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Oathbreaker Knight Reveals His Origin [Baldur’s Gate 3]](/img/tr.png)
Fun fact if you cast heal (the spell of that name) on your dark urge after finding out you are a bhalspawn you regain some memories of your childhood, that you lived in the city and had adoptive parents, friends, a life before the Urge appeared and washed away who you were, making it possible for you to have been a paladin before your blood corrupted you
that's a cool detail wow
Yup, I have a video of that scene here: ua-cam.com/video/dCa5P1UPUQM/v-deo.html
You can also get a different dark urge memory if you eat a noblestalk mushroom, or offer it to shadowheart and have her regain some of hers.
There’s two versions of this one if you are healed before you kill Orin and after. You can only have one though
@@AikoSea wait what's the difference between them?
Durge and the Oathbreaker Knight: [having a conversation]
Karlach in the background: 💃💃💃💃💃
Is she? To me it looks like she's fixing her hair
"Nobody can see my go complete ADHD over here, I can get it out of my system!"
Volo in the background: 💀
@@BOSHKOB idk actually but its still funny
I think she's fixing her hair, but she does occasionally do a jig as an idle animation.
"Good isn't a thing you are, it's a thing you do."
"Becoming good is not a destination, its a neverending journey of self improvement"
Alignment system getting tossed out window as it should
@@sethsummers6528 Except its explicitly the alignment system.
You do good, you are good. You do evil, you are evil. You follow the law, you are lawful. You embrace chaos, you are chaotic.
“Well, assuming that you aren’t the outsider, that is”
@@sethsummers6528ah yes, let toss out fiend, celestial, fey, aberration, undead, elemental and dragon too because they’re straight up bound to alignment
Nobody:
Oathbreaker Kinight: *YER ÖÄTH*
*YER OATH BIþ A SMAL BEASTE WIþ FOURE LEGGYS*
Hey, be nice he’s disabled(Scottish)
Yer oath may be broune or grene or yella or may be
DYUERS COLOURES
@@jogzyg2036 the oath of the Frogge
Oathbreaker knight is incredibly cool, I wish we could have used him for the “gather allies” quest
Not sure if that would work. I dont think he is "real" but also doubt its his problem. Im sure he would just tell you that its not his place to do such a thing
I mean, he tells us there was a bounty on his head, so he had to have been a material being at some point. Who’s to say he wouldn’t fight the greater evil, he’s a paladin after all@@joedatius
@@joedatius To be bound to such rules, to be forced to be unable to act- even at the behest of another, even with the fate of everybody's freedom at stake... sounds an awful lot like an oath, doesn't it?
Would be cool if each class had a class-specific ally that could be gained to help with the final battle. Oathbreaker would have been neat as a paladin-specific option.
@@joedatius oh he is real, if you try to respec your class beign an oathbreaker, withers tells you to first talk to the oathbreaker
That was actually some pretty real words of wisdom from the oathbreaker
Well shit, part of the reason I didn't go with Dark Urge for the Paladin was because I didn't think the class made sense with the Dark Urge backstory. Had no clue they would actually address it.
Comes to show that Larian put A LOT of thought into this game. And it's pretty damn impressive.
Oddly enough I saw an interview where one of the devs said paladin was originally going to be the default class for the Dark Urge and they changed it to sorcerer because it was less complicated to roleplay.
He literally have 2 promos, one being paladin and the other being sorcerer
you just need a lot of conviction for paladin. If you got doubts, just trust harder
I never saw the sorcerer promo. How cool!
"You are who you choose to be."
-Iron Giant
Atomo!
"suuuuuuupermaaaan!"
I love the pitch for that movie. “What if a gun was alive, and didn’t want to be a gun?”
@@ravenblood1954 so basically they made a movie from Nas's "I Gave You Power"?
Redeemed Durge is so good. My personal favorite is a Cleric7/Paladin5 of Eilestraee. Essentially, as the Goddess of Freedom, she decided to directly intervene on the Durge’s behalf in order to free him from Bhaal.
And once again, Phalar Aluve finds another home in a neatly themed build! Guess I know what I'll do on my next run. lol
@@NexGenRogue There it is!
dude there is so much i missed in this game wow :( i have 700 hours and my dark urge killed herself after killing the brain and bhaal was not happy
I’m curious, what was your subclasses you chose for your classes?
@@whatevr99 War and Vengeance.
"The circumstances of one's birth is irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."
That flying cat was so smart.
Fun fact, if you talk to Sarevok as an Oathbreaker Durge he mentions that they broke their oath by killing their entire order before becoming the Bhaalist cult leader.
That's a really nice way to explain how your oath-breaker Paladin with dark urge I wish if you went down the dark urge path and with the pounding class you're automatically an oathbreaker
he says he and you both did that?
I love how they not only included the Oathbreaker, but they didn't stick to a generic "I broke my oath because I'm EVIL" story. No, they broke their Oath because they realized they swore an Oath to someone cruel and undeserving...but they still BROKE their OATH.
But further, The Oathbreaker knows what MAKES a Paladin, and so can reassure you that whatever good deeds or cruel you've done as a Bhaalspawn, it isn't all you are.
I fully beleive if they ever include future oaths in the patches, we get acess to the Crown Oath.
Mainly cause I think that was the Oathbreaker's original Oath... you make an Oath to a King/Council/City/Law, wich means you may be forced to do some messed up shit to maintain it depending on the law/kings order.
@@peterwhite6415 I mean the issue is like how would that affect gameplay? there arent exactly that many character you could be connected to by that oath in the game
@@peterwhite6415 If I remember correctly, someone made a mod for the crown oath.
@@stellabjerkered2375 maybe you could swear an oath to balduran and break it by going against the emperor's wishes, like going to the house of hope. maybe even by going through the creche or trying to kill the dream visitor, but that would kinda spoil the whole plot twist of act 3 in act 1, although the dream visitor could say that they were "very close" to balduran or something if you do that and that's why your oath was broken. or swear an oath to a specific ruler of a certain race's home city, i.e. elturel and break it by killing any members of that race that aren't hostile to you by default. being a crown paladin of balduran could maybe give you a lot of interesting dialogue choices in act 3, and dialogue options with florick and the flaming fist, and being a paladin of another city could give you dialogue options with specific races, i.e. a crown paladin of elturel could have some more dialogue with zevlor and the tieflings. could be interesting. paladin and bard are already kinda established to be the "main character" classes by courtesy of getting a lot of dialogue options and special interactions, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to have a paladin oath directly connected to the game's plot either.
I love it so so so much. I love how they made Oathbreaker a class with nuanced lore instead of basic "MUAHAHAH IM EVIL NOW" lore. I honestly always loved the aesthetics of Oathbreaker, but I never vibed with the "Paladins who seek power and to do evil" because it is a very simple reason and I always thought a paladin can break their Oath for very good reasons; like a paladin can falter in their convictions, and not for selfish evil reasons either, or even do acts of good that go against the tenants of their Oath.
Oathbreaker in BG3 heavily reminds me of Dark Knights in FFXIV, we even have an NPC similar to the Oathbreaker Knight and I wouldn't be surprised if they got inspired by this to adjust the lore.
oathbreaker durge is just so cool!! it adds a whole new depth to durge, specifically if you’re going down the path of rejecting bhaal. i love this game dude 😭
DAMN I love his accent. Could listen to him for hours.
Same. Soothing voice too.
I could swear it's Matthew Mercer. I've heard enough of his on-the-spot-scottish-accent bartender/barmaid NPCs on Critical Role to recognize it anywhere. But I could be wrong
@@potatosgrace5941 Steve Hay is def my guess but I could see Matthew Mecer
cool stuff!! makes me want to play as an oathbreaker urge!! thanks for posting!
They are dying for me! ALL OF THEM! @Dark URGE
@@user-rc6gc9pm5r intestines throb, blood whispers…
My Dark Urge used his Oath of the Ancients as a beacon of light to extinguish the darkness of his soul. He succeeded, only breaking his oath when he let Ethel live in exchange for her surrender of both the power and Mayrina. He reclaimed his Oath asap, without becoming a full Oathbreaker
Im actually playing Oath of Vengence Durge run. I still haven't broken my Oath. I mean I broke it in the shadowlands but I didn't want to try oathbreaker paladin yet beause it's my first time playing a Paladin.
@@jahnavithomas924 Then you faltered, rather than fell
Anyone else think that the Oathbreaker Knight needed some sort of reverb or effect on his voice to make him sound more supernatural? Like he's literally covered in fire and his eyes are burning, but he just sounds like a Glaswegian crack-head
My theory: the paladin oaths are vague, nonsensical and easy to break on purpose. Whoever is responsible for them needs money to keep the whole paladin infrastructure going. So they force their affiliates to pay from time to time under the pretense of "reclaiming their oaths". The oathbreaker knight is just a tax collector.
@@leonardorossi998 ...that has literally nothing to do with my original comment, but okay
@@sodagirl1092 Well, yhe point of my comment was that he sounds like a Glaswegian crack-head because he IS a Glaswegian crack-head in fancy armor. :P
@@sodagirl1092 i bet you dont even drink soda you goddamn phony
It would be pretty cool!
Thank you so much for uploading this, I had always wondered how a Durge paladin playthrough would be possible!
Oathbreaker Paladin is an incredibly fun class to play with Dark Urge, especially when multiclassed with Warlock. 🙌
"I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."
I'm sure people will recognize the quote and how it applies here.
Love the cut to Volo being dead on the ground there.
0:10 Great words, wise words
Thank you so much for this! I was so curious about the timeliness and the why/how it would work! Much appreciated.
the character that I beat my first playthrough with was an oathbreaker/reclaimed oath of vengeance durge, and truly its the most satisfying thing to not only learn about but also play as, truly one of my favorite stories to have created with a character
Paladin Durge is peak awesomnesssss
"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?”
Scratch running behind made me laugh out loud.
The sound of Scratch happily running around brings joy to my heart.
Fun fact: The “Oathbreaker” Paladin in BG3 is actually the Dark Knight Paladin from original D&D lore/game play. While most Paladin mains prefer the Holy Knight version that traditionally runs a good play style, the Dark Knight/Oathbreaker is for those who want an evil play style. The only thing I wish BG3 incorporated was the ability to play as a Shadow Druid.
Probably any niche class that needed extra voice over or dialogue tweaks since the faction exists in game was out of the table, why clerics of shar/bhaal/bane/myrkul got cut even after they already recorded dialogue for acts 1 and 2.
Aradin is doing a pretty good accent here, had me fooled for about 2 seconds
Yo wait a sec, is he the same VA?? 😳
there goes my Oath of Vengeance, time to break the oath
If you look at his armor in his art, you see him wear armor of vengeance surrounded by his dead victim ( used to be comrades)
@@VincentpanhSiiiiiiiiick
Scratch strutting around in the background
Had no clue there were options unique to a durge paladin. I made my durge an assassin. This game continues to blow my mind
SCOTLAND FOREVAAAA
Oathbreaker Knight on his break to liberate Celtic Scotland from that bloody Norman invaders
Playing as redeemed Durge is the only way to get Karlach to tie me up on-screen, so I don't really have a choice.
I adore the Oathbreaker Knight's accent.
I wish he had gotten more screen time.
kinda fitting for DUrge to be an Oathbreaker. Blood is stronger than any oath, yet you broke free from it's influence. And the First Oathbreaker, judging by his history, was also a dude who was disillusioned in his patron, so he broke his oath.
It runs nicely with someone who is resistant of the dark urge
Reminds me of that Mewtwo quote... it's not how you were born but what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.
How do you get this line of dialogue from him? I’m in act 3 and he doesn’t mention anything of my urge.
Anytime something important is being said but i see karlach slightly in the backgroundI just focus on her and try to figure out the hell she's doing so I gotta replay the dialogue
She's constantly moving
"Leave" always the correct choice when grandpa paladin is asking you to stop being an oathbreaker... like why would I do that, these powers are dope
This makes the game 10 times better!
How do you trigger this dialog
I played my durge run as an oathbreaker and broke the oath as soon as possible so I could flavour it as being oath of conquest, broken by not doing indulging in the urge and killing innocents (we'll ignore the tieflings who captured Laezel). Had no idea this was a thing, maybe by the time I reclaimed my oath the dialogue option was gone
this reminded me of a video I saw about a head canon on the powers of the paladin and why it uses charisma instead of wisdom or intelligence for spells:
A paladin's oath isn't bound to what God they align it to, it is their belief itself that empowers them to an otherworldly nature, the gods function more like a witness to them to uphold those beliefs
Its surprisingly easy not to break the oath of vengeance as Durge but then again i do play mostly good to overcome the base evil
I wonder do you break your oath if you kill the bard Alferia or the dragon chick?
Outhbraker sounds like a Samurai
what camp is that
Been thinking about doing a run where Tav is a drow oathbreaker paladin of Loath
I think the dark urge is like goku from drsgon ball. Born "evil" born angry but got a good childhood and is now trying to redeem himself/herself.
what is the camp location? i always see it in youtube videos but never encountered it in game
It’s the Elfsong Tavern in the Lower City. If you rent a room there it becomes your default camp in act 3.
Oathbreaker Knight really pulled a Mewtwo: "The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are." LMAO
my durge is a sorcerer is their a way to make him multiclass as a paladin for this or would i have to respec him as a full paladin?
Sorcadin can actually go crazy, look up some builds
Pretty sensible dialogue response, as it leaves it open-ended (given it's the player's own character, so you would hope the voiceover wouldn't "rewrite" their own backstory).
Is Karlach okay in the background lmao
Picked up some lice from Yenna :/
Hol' up, we just gonna gloss over the Volo-corpse?!
I’m not sure if I’ve run into a bug here, but I’ve just broken my oath in Act 3, after finding out I’m a bhaalspawn, and I haven’t had any dialogue options relating to the dark urge, have I done something wrong? I haven’t fought Orin yet, but I’ve received the cutscene revealing what I am, and have gone through my first encounter with Gortash
I’m not sure what’s required to trigger it, but I did record this after fighting Orin if that helps.
@@ErgoNothing Thanks mate, I’d say that’s what the trigger is then. I’ll let you know once I get to that point!
My Dark Urge was a Wild Magic Sorcerer, but I multi-classed as an Oath of Vengeance Paladin in Act 3. I almost immediately broke my oath by helping Astarion sacrifice 7,000 people to become a Vampire Ascendent. Not my finest move, but I killed Isobel to unlock the Slayer Form, and convinced Shadowheart to kill Dame Aylin to become a Dark Justiciar, so an Oathbreaker Paladin suited my Dark Urge quite nicely. With the Gloves of Dexterity and the Finesse weapon you get for killing the Hag in Act 3, I was havin a blast making my father proud.
Anybody know what he says if you ask about if you broke your oath before when you went to the temple?
If you pick that option he confirms that he met you more than once back then, and that he expects to meet you again.
@@ErgoNothing awesome that’s cool thanks
Well I know what Class I'mma be for my Dark Urge playthrough
They really did think of everything holy shit
OH NO! Volo! You killed Volo!
I only noticed when I read your comment. Why kill Volo 😢
@@elenalizabeth He got better through the power of reload.
Ah well, not much a miss to the multiverse.
@@MarkATorres1989 I mean Volo is one of the weave anchors, so he is actually fairly important. And he is also semi-immortal, or at least he can use the weave to live a much longer life than a human should be able to.
@@elenalizabeth Yeah I know... sort of. I still don't like him though or any of the old 8 wizards, nor will it stop me for trying to make a poor joke out of it.
Paladin Durge was supposed to be the canon class then some shit happened and Larian's decided to go with sorcerer.
kinda surprised ngl. Oathbreaker seems to be encouraging you to pick up your oath again. here i thought he was all about keeping it broken.
IIRC he broke his Path because he no longer believed in the tenets he swore to uphold on a moral level. He still believes paladins in general should fight for what they truly believe in. If you are of a mind that you *should* reclaim your oath, I would think he would agree that you should, just like how he doesn't pass judgment if you decide you're better off an Oathbrealer like he is
I played my dark urge as a paladin, and i evidently broke my oath but i don't remember having this dialogue
It seems you have to specifically ask him about it after you’ve discovered your origin.
I just wanna know the story of how it stayed in tact as the paladin enacted *everything* that lead up to the absolute (assuming the story of Durge stays the same)
it's never explicitly stated that durge was a murder-hobo during the events that led up to their capture, so it's possible that paladin durge decided to turn against bhaal shortly before they were betrayed, since it's already established that even pure bhaalspawn can turn against bhaal with enough willpower, which durge would've presumably had since they're repeatedly described as being far more "controlled" than orin. maybe they even swore their oath while captured, which would make a lot of sense for the oath of vengeance. in 5e and BG3 by extension paladins don't get their powers from any deity even if most of them follow one, they get them solely from their oath, so it's honestly more reasonable for durge to be a paladin than a cleric as the barrier of entry is just "swear that you'll serve your oath", unless you argue that they turned to the gods when betrayed considering that bhaal has forsaken them and whichever god is chosen would've gladly answered their prayers to take such a loyal servant away from bhaal.
@@alnosoDurge has had violent urges since they killed their adoptive parents, but they were normal once. It's possible that Durge tried to escape Bhaal before, but failed (especially since it's stated Durge once returned to the temple after slaughtering their order) sounds like Durge was like an addict suffering from relapse. Trying to get better, giving in and indulging until trying to get better again
It didn't, it's pretty canon that Durge broke their Oath by murdering their entire paladin order if they are a paladin.
I think, however, what could have happened is that once you awoke in the Nautilod you had no memories of your past life, and that very personality you had before being corrupted as the Temple of Bhaal's leader (not when your first urges appear, because Bhaalspawn can still be good and have good morals) reemerges, so that's why you have your Oath again; because you forgot what made you cruel.
However, my honest opinion is that this makes no sense because a Paladin's Oath is so engraved in a person's soul that even after losing your memories you would still be an Oathbreaker. But probably they decided to make it this way to not give you spoilers (If you are an Oathbreaker it kind of shows you were not a very good person before or something corrupted you), because Oathbreaker is harder to play and mostly in the Shadow-Cursed Lands (Aura of Hate gives more damage to you and undead), and because of technical issues (how would the Oathbreaker Knight introduce himself if you have already broken your Oath, etc.)
....is that Matt Mercer?
I am an oathbreaker paladin as Durge and holy crap I never did this
Hey there Volo... Whatcha doin there?
Really looking forward to my Durge run....now I just gotta lock down what class I want it to be.
............and finish my Monk run.
...............................and my Bard run.
Both are in Act 3 so they're getting close, but having played since PC launch I'm in desperate need of a break. xD
Oathbreaker bhaalspawn kinda feels like the most fitting way to play this game. You even have high strength and charisma for carrying all the loot and dialog options.
My only hangup is when the hell the Bhaalspawn had the chance to swear an oath.
The only way I can think to explain it is that they swore their oath before coming to the temple, fell to Bhaal and broke it, and apparently losing their memories counted as them being a new person entirely so the oath was reclaimed.
great explanation thanmk you @@SkyrimFan32145
Well, they did have a life before joining the Bhaalists. My guess is it happened after they muredered their foster family.
IMO starting as Oath of Ancients or Oath of Devotion is kind of a stretch for Durge. Oath of Vengeance sort of works since your first thought upon waking up is that you're going to claw your way out of the nautiloid and punish whoever took your memories. They would probably have been something like Oath of Conquest pre-tadpole, but that's not a choice in the game.
To think I’m wearing the exact same armor but I turned all of it white to represent my character as a hero.
Until I saw this character and was like daaaaaaamn this guy looks the exact opposite of me 0-0 I thought I was gonna die 😂
I started as a bard and turned paladin on level 2, I think
Then went three more levels into bard, three more into paladin and now I'm currently working on the last four bard levels
I may have less paladin abilities than Minthara, *but* I have more smite slots and stronger smite slots
I always expect the Oathbreaker knight to cry out "FOR FREEEDDDOOOOMMMM!"
"Bhaal can take your life, but he can never take your FREEDOM!"
Fricking karlach is neurotic.. tiefling with adhd can't hold still xD
hey yo what happend to poor Volo
Question for anyone. I played as a bard/paladin, vengeance on my honor run. I killed the elephant in the Baal temple and thought that would break my oath but it didn’t. I was in shapeshifter mode which can often affect the story and wondered if that was it. Shouldnt that have broken my oath?
A vengeance oath doesn't force you to protect the weak or spare the innocent or anything like that. A vengeance oath is in the lines of "Help people commit vengeance and don't ever get in the way of a vengeance". This is the least good aligned oath of the three. Actually there's literally nothing good aligned with this oath
Standing between the tiefling woman and the goblin prisoner breaks your oath because she's trying to get revenge, but killing an unspeakable amount of innocents doesn't because there's no notion of vengeance involved
READ THE GODDAMN TENET
@@mitsunitaiko1742 Thanks. Wow I knew the vengeance part but still didn’t know I could kill an innocent.
@@ANCIENTWARRI0R yeah you only have to follow what's written in the tenet. Nothing about being a paladin is inherently good, it's all in the specific oath
@@mitsunitaiko1742 not technically that oath mentions you need to fight againts greater evil but it also breaks when you kill innocents because sacrificing valeria brakes your oath.oath of vengeance says as long as you kill evil without killing innocents you can achieve that goal however you want as long as you dont let great evil go freely.you can lie or break something or even steal in order to kill evil
He kinda sounds like Blaidd from elden ring
Blaidd is Welsh, this guy is Scottish
@@nathangordon4891 Wow. Big difference.
@@mulqueen2023 you’re definitely American aren’t you
@@nathangordon4891 Not even close. You must be American to assume everyone is American.
wow i was wondering this, thank you! wondering what the result is for a cleric , too. this is interesting,t hankyou
This is real funny because my oath was broken by the scripted kill
I accidently broke my Oath and was like shit but when I met the Oathbreaker and talked to him and got his story I was like well shit I am staying Oathbreaker
Exactly what happened to me. Stupidly enough, my oath broke because I killed goblins? Either way, it was the best thing to happen to me because the oathbreaker is fucking awesome
But Oathbreaker knight actually encourages you to reclaim your oath.
Oathbreaker Knight: “You can always choose to let go of that darkness and become a better person. It’s never too late.”
Durge: **awkwardly peers over his shoulder at Volo’s mutilated corpse**
“Uhhhh, yeah, for sure, for sure… Raincheck?”
Oathbreaker knight: I broke my oath and am therefore evil.
And so I go around... Helping people. Muahahahaha!
Now let me lecture you on having the choice to be good even when tainted by evil, while I carry out divine will and ensure oathbreakers regain their loyalty to their oaths.
DARK URGE! WHAT ARE YE DOIN IN ME SWAMP?
Wait why did you kill Volo
Just for this recording to summon the Oathbreaker Knight
Kinda odd they felt the need to explain it. 5e paladins do *not* have to be paragons of virtue (i.e. Lawful Good only). A Bhaalspawn who decided to align themselves with daddy and become an Oath of Vengeance paladin makes perfect sense.
I'm guessing it's because:
1-you can make good oaths
2-Larian saw coming the millions of people who would call it an inconsistency to be able to be a dark urge paladin if that dialogue didn't exist
Why does he remind me of George MacDonald?
It's a simple matter Of choosing the right god.
Turns out Oathbreaker Knight is actually a whoalsome guy even if Oathbreaker is the Evil Paladin class
He is probably the evilest looking npc in the game, but he's a real chill bro. 😂
They kind of changed the Oathbreaker lore so now it is not a 100% evil class, but it is more grey and nuanced.
@@blancat.7174 the abilities and themes of them do not represent it being grey but black
@@theprinceofawesomeness Black literally, yes, but if you think deeper, the abilities embrace the powers of darkness but that doesn't mean they are evil or will be used for evil. That's nuance and greyness.
@@blancat.7174 the ability Aura of Hate is a buff to any Fiend and Undead, you are helping objective evil which makes it an objective evil class, there as the person using the class might not be evil the powers comes from evil to help evil. Oathbreaker simply clashes thematicly with the rest of the paladin kit, if you want a grey paladin subclass then we need to talk about Oath of Conquest (which is slightely darker than grey) or Oath of Vangence (wchich is on the lighter side)
Couldn't you be a paladin of Bhaal?
In theory, but 5e paladins are powered by their oaths rather than directly by a god, and most of the oaths require you to commit to doing good instead of evil, so people usually think of them as heroic.
You can totally be a cleric of Bhaal, however.
@@ErgoNothing Which begs the question, how did Minthara keep her oath, her actions weren't even her own given she was under influence of the parasite yet still she most certainly was not fighting the greater evil by being a pawn of the entire plot to end the fucking world. Guess it's another case of tadpole handwaivium this game loves so much.
I played a paladin in early access and it turned out that killing goblins was breaking my oath. Felt really stupid but I got to meet a freaking narzugon so I wasn't mad for long. I wonder if he has any interaction with Mizora. They are both devils, maybe they know each other.
I myeah the oath of devotion involves never killing innocents or people who are "temporarily hostile" as that's a murder you committed on your own and not something somewhat necessary. I had the same thing happen in moonrise towers' prison when I preemptively killed the guards to make the prison break easier
@@mitsunitaiko1742 I am aware of that now and it's stupid. This is the equivalent of the DM railroading you into breaking your oath due to arbitrarily ruling that someone you've killed is innocent despite being outwardly guilty of henous shit.
@@BIGESTblade it's really easy to avoid in hindsight lol. Either toggle non lethal damage or have someone else kill them
You only break your path if you personally dealt the killing blow
@@BIGESTblade I encourage you to reread the tenets of the oath of devotion "Show mercy to your foes, but temper it with wisdom" Basically it's ok to kill them when you really need it, not when you attack them out of the blue.
"Treat others with fairness, and let your honorable deeds be an example to them. Do as much good as possible while causing the least amount of harm".
If you wanted an oath that lets you kill evil people as much as you want, you should have picked oath of vengeance
@@mitsunitaiko1742 That can apply to the guild in the city but not to absolutists. Goblins actively threaten the druids in the Grove plus hostages. Killing them is the way to be merciful because it results in less casualties. In Moonrise Towers Aylin will kill absolutely everybody she can even if unnecessary so your oath should fail because you didn't stop her and Jaheira with her men. But the game is intelligent enough to realize that it would be unreasonable and doesn't penalize you despite your actions causing unnesecary harm
it's almost enough to make me want to give Durge a try. but the bit with the bards...no.
You can save tiefling bard from being murdered by durge
@@User1273- yes, by knocking her unconcious. and then you kill a naieve dragonborn bard instead. no thanks.
Why is the oathbreaker knight a swede lmao
your tav looks like mine so this video threw me off a lot
The Oath Breaker thing was a cool idea....it's too bad Larian botched it so badly. Especially for Vengeance Paladins.
Oh, you *didn't* want to take a life you deemed to be innocent but the game thinks you should kill? Guess you want to fully embrace evil and darkness and summon army's of undead and fight with a sinful necrotic energy!
No middle ground.
Usually your powers stop working and then you continue on the path to being an oath breaker. In BG3 Lord Soth's honor guard shows up to to congratulate you on being so evil.
Honestly the Oath Breaker seems more like the antithesis to a Devotion Paladin.. But then so does a Vengeance Paladin, in a way.
I mean, Oath Breaker isn't automatically evil.
Talking to this guy, he's pretty chill and friendly.
@@GigiBranconi Well there's is a discordance between gameplay and cutscenes then, same with Aylin being a badass psychopath during scripted stuff yet she folds in two hits during actual gameplay to the point it's comical, her sitting the entire acolyte fight out on the floor then magically appearing stomping the corpse of her gf's father like it's a mosquito.
wont lie, I hate the oathbreaker subclass. To me it just goes against the whole scheme of paladin being 'yeah, that thing that you swore to stand by and the very willpower behind such an ideal? That literally lets you influence reality, don't fuck this up.' in short by being 'you fucked this up.'
Granted, i don't like how BG3 handles oathbreaking either, I wish there was more warnings about it as your character would know more about what breaks their oath than we would.
But yes, long story short, I heavily dislike oathbreaker. others can play it and that's fine, but even it's flavor that you 'vowed to serve dark forces'... THAT'S STILL AN OATH! Give it it's own tenets! players can ignore the tenets if they and the dm both agree that's okay!
All that being said... I fuckin love the oathbreaker paladin guy... which i find funny.
Damn why couldn't HE be romanced?
Ikr, shame
still doesn't make sense, Durge is resposible for the absolute scheme, and probably a lot of savagery, how come the oath withstood all those deeds?
It doesnt make sense, unless Durge paladin is only a paladin after you wake up on the nautiloid, them being even a vengeance paladin makes zero sense since they are described as merciless and indiscriminate killers, if they had been like the emperor describes himself then maybe but urge? Yeah no.