Thank you for watching the video. If you want to see more you can subscribe and like the video. My other channels: Skyrim & Fallout channel: www.youtube.com/@FerzenTES RPG games: www.youtube.com/@FerzenRPG Total War: www.youtube.com/@FerzenTotalWar RDR2: www.youtube.com/@FerzenRockstar
i swear it would be so much fun if we get this backup. instead we get her dying first if we don't strategically spend our time keeping her alive during the fight :) I was so disappointed when she kepy missing her hits and got whooped so easily.
@@user-wv7zk6um5iI play honour mode and she was never close to death wdym? Wtf this fight was one of the easiest ever your basically already lvl 12 have 3 attacks per round all you have to do is destroy the elements first
@@arcticz6457 the fight is never a problem for me in any level mode, it is the fact that every playthrough of mine aylin misses most of her hits and takes critical hits a lot which makes half my effort go in aiding her while killing the rest and keeping my own party alive, that has always been my experience.
@@user-wv7zk6um5i I didn't bother keeping her alive. After dying so much, I killed Ketheric my damn self. (I only played with just two people in my party so don't come for me.)
It's DnD, there's more than just generic Good & Evil. My Lawful Evil Githyanki Monk Tav, who killed Shadowheart because she stole from his people, gave the Nightsong to Balthazar, fought beside her when confronting Ketheric, and sold her off when she was no longer useful.
Betraying Dame Allyn is bad enough, but then letting Isobelle go into the Tower and get butchered alone by Lorroican -right in front of her love - is just horrificly bad Karma.😱.
@@Emrick723 you can counter-spell a cantrip. As long as it is a Spell, with at least verbal and/or somatic components it can be the target of counter-spell. If you removed the verbal and somatic components, then you could not.
@@travischaikin1626 oh ok thank you so much my experience with dnd comes mainly from bg3 since i’ve never done a campaign so there’s a lot i don’t know so ty so much
Fun fact. If you're a sorcerer in the 5.0 DnD system , you can use the subtle spell metamagic- and then your spells cannot be easily counterspelled ,because it does not appear to other Casters that you are casting a spell 😃
Aylin: 'There is NOTHING I cannot do.' ...except escape from the soulcage you were stuck in, when Tav and co found you in the shadowfell. How long were you trapped in that again? A century? Little more? And you only got out because they helped you. I wouldn't be too worried by her vow of revenge. Tav will probably be long dead by the time she finally breaks free and if they have any descendants for her to hunt down and kill, well, that's a problem for future Tav's lineage, lol.
Is it true, then? That Vimpires cannot have children? What sources is this information from? I've been looking for this question answered for a while. For story purposes.
What’s the difference between this prison and the one Balthazar made for Ketheric? Seems like all it’ll take is Rolan touching Aylin to free her again only to get trapped by some other wizard who knows how to do the ritual when she’s dumb enough to fall for their traps.
I think the conditions of soul cages can be set by it's caster, cuz in dialogue she mentions Balthazar made that "touching her in friendship" condition to mock her, because it's so easy, yet in the shadowfell she would never find allies cause only shar's devoted ever come there
Syphoning her immortality is incredibly stupid when you think about it. Given an infinite amount of time, anything that can happen WILL happen, so if Lorroakan and Aylin are truly immortal they have infinite time in their hands, and one day she will break free, and kill him, just like Ketheric, it might take a few centuries, a few millenia or billions of years, but it will happen. It baffles me how none of them actually thought this through, I guess hubris really makes you blind. Edit: I'll have to add this, because some people won't read my other replies and i don't want to keep saying the same things over and over again. Yes, he will live longer, but she could choose to just torture him for basically eternity instead of just smiting him. It's up to you if you think the gamble is worth it.
idk about a few centuries, but a few *millennia or billions of years* ??? for sure the gamble has already paid off for Lorroakan by then lol. He might even come to his senses and end it before Aylin breaks free at that point.
@@Kusabiii Well, she made a vow, so even if she changes her mind (which i doubt she would, i mean she tried to smite Thorm even when he surrendered) she doesn't really have a choice. Besides, she is the daughter of a goddess, she can just torture him until the brink of death and then heal the wounds and keep at it for as long as she wants, he is just a dude after all. In the best case scenario, the gamble might be worth it, he gets to live a few thousands of years and then a quick death by being smited, but it all depends on how cruel and vengeful she will be after such long imprisonment. One thing is for certain though, when she gets free, he is dead.
@@deannethearsonist8781 I don't think you read my comment, I was implying Lorroakan would end his own life before Aylin breaks free and gets a chance to torture him. I never said Aylin would change her mind. No amount of time would make her forgive him lol
Kind of unrelated, but I just realized, is the “always trust a dishonest person” inspiration a Pirates of the Caribbean reference? Jack says the exact same thing. Then again I suppose it’s not an uncommon saying, it just made me think of it lol
@@desmondtimberwolf4419 he is good hearted, he safe the childrens and survivors on act 2, and with a little push would stand against his master evil plan, so yeah
Yeah but they should first buff her when you side with her. It's kinda annoying her getting downed all the time or knocked the f out and not doing anything in fights. And then in the cut scene she acts like she's the one who took down every enemy 😂.
Man, its kind of sad that this is kind of blocked for me in my evil playthrough, i mean, the only way i could archieve this is by either ignoring shadowheart completly or let her become "good" by betraying shar, both things that dont do well for an evil party.
An evil playthrough where your character is atheist so the goal is to piss on as many of DnD's pantheon as possible, including Shar. I call this the "Gods are Cringe" playthrough.
I did it during my evil playthrough. Of course, it was a combination of my character being manipulative and wanting more control over his companions and also "lol, screw that shitty goddess, with time I shall kill her, too!"
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 That's what i'm doing now i started as cleric of lathander multiclass necro by cannon he hates necromancers and undead i also use his mace i'm shitty to as many gods as i can making abominations wherever i can.
Did anyone game also glitch after they gave up dame??? I had to redo the choice and kill loarrokan cause my entire camp was hostile from then on. Even mizzora
If you're playing Dark Urge, there's numerous chances to make your 'evil playthrough' pay off ..such as with acquiring the Slayer form from Bhaal as his Chosen.
The allies are so useless in the end battle anyway, they just run to the area where those vines grab and kill them. Only heal and aoe ones have any use. She is very good cause you can control her, so I'd def save her.
While I understand why Dame Aylin was the way she was (the whole death of Isobel and being trapped and used), I didn't think she was a good paladin, if she was supposed to be one. She seemed bloodthirsty, and it really felt like she was in it for the smiting a lot more than for the justice. I wonder if a potential DLC would have explored and expanded upon her. Of course, we'll never know since there won't be any DLC.
![Rolan Become The New Master Of Ramazith's Tower [Baldur's Gate 3]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PvyWiwToGLk/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank you for watching the video. If you want to see more you can subscribe and like the video.
My other channels:
Skyrim & Fallout channel: www.youtube.com/@FerzenTES
RPG games: www.youtube.com/@FerzenRPG
Total War: www.youtube.com/@FerzenTotalWar
RDR2: www.youtube.com/@FerzenRockstar
Why didn’t she summon that backup when we fought against him >:l
i swear it would be so much fun if we get this backup. instead we get her dying first if we don't strategically spend our time keeping her alive during the fight :) I was so disappointed when she kepy missing her hits and got whooped so easily.
@@user-wv7zk6um5iI play honour mode and she was never close to death wdym? Wtf this fight was one of the easiest ever your basically already lvl 12 have 3 attacks per round all you have to do is destroy the elements first
@@arcticz6457 the fight is never a problem for me in any level mode, it is the fact that every playthrough of mine aylin misses most of her hits and takes critical hits a lot which makes half my effort go in aiding her while killing the rest and keeping my own party alive, that has always been my experience.
@@user-wv7zk6um5i I didn't bother keeping her alive. After dying so much, I killed Ketheric my damn self. (I only played with just two people in my party so don't come for me.)
@user-wv7zk6um5i I notice people saying that A lot, it may be you aren't taking advantage of buffs and debuffs.
For a powerful demigod, Dame sure is kinda easy to kidnap 💀
It looks like her tactic of approaching potential kidnappers head-on and monologuing doesn't pan out very well.
@@johncampbell631she still doesn't understand that she's not in a shonen
@@pyechos Shonen?
@@johncampbell631 yeah
she's an aasimar, no demigod
Hey thanks for doing that. Because I will never be doing that.
I don't think I'll ever make this choice. Either I'm doing an evil playthrough, then Aylin is dead. Or not, then he dies.
It's DnD, there's more than just generic Good & Evil. My Lawful Evil Githyanki Monk Tav, who killed Shadowheart because she stole from his people, gave the Nightsong to Balthazar, fought beside her when confronting Ketheric, and sold her off when she was no longer useful.
Even if you're evil, that doesn't mean you have to side with every other idiot who's also evil.
Play the game as you want. You make canon.
Betraying Dame Allyn is bad enough, but then letting Isobelle go into the Tower and get butchered alone by Lorroican -right in front of her love - is just horrificly bad Karma.😱.
Well, as I imagined, Lorroakan is kinda a fool, he can still get his butt beaten by so many things even with immortality.
MMM 😋
You can even kill him after the immortality by throwing him over the edge.
I love that you have the option to kill Aylin, and then after go "This feels wrong 🤔"
So much more fun to watch her break his back across her knee >:D
Yup, I don't care what my morals are on a playthrough, one thing is certain. I will kill lorroakan and I will enjoy it.
Powerful wizard? Lorroakan died on my first spell! Granted, it was a force pushing Eldritch Blast and he fell over the edge, but STILL! STILL!
a REAL wizard woulda counterspelled it 😤
@@gemmafire8628 ik this is a joke but you can't counter spell a cantrip or can you? i really don't remember
@@Emrick723 you can counter-spell a cantrip. As long as it is a Spell, with at least verbal and/or somatic components it can be the target of counter-spell. If you removed the verbal and somatic components, then you could not.
@@travischaikin1626 oh ok thank you so much my experience with dnd comes mainly from bg3 since i’ve never done a campaign so there’s a lot i don’t know so ty so much
Fun fact. If you're a sorcerer in the 5.0 DnD system , you can use the subtle spell metamagic- and then your spells cannot be easily counterspelled ,because it does not appear to other Casters that you are casting a spell 😃
So…she gets a little upset
I always wanted to steal that immortality for my own.
Congratulations. You win a lifetime supply of terrible consequences.
Aylin: 'There is NOTHING I cannot do.'
...except escape from the soulcage you were stuck in, when Tav and co found you in the shadowfell. How long were you trapped in that again? A century? Little more? And you only got out because they helped you.
I wouldn't be too worried by her vow of revenge. Tav will probably be long dead by the time she finally breaks free and if they have any descendants for her to hunt down and kill, well, that's a problem for future Tav's lineage, lol.
Aylin is so incompetent that Tav's descendants will probably just trap her in another soul cage.
Several endings have tav becoming immorta, all powerful, or even a god/goddess. So it would be fun to see ayling get smashed bad.
There was no way I wasn't going to kill Lorroakan. He was sitting on a pile of magical goodies. Nope, he was toast before I even met him.
In it for the loot
I hate Aylin. She could have summoned those Solars during the Keteric fight or at the end run but noooo...
she only summons them to balance the fight, against Kethric she has allies to fight with her; us
"I will murder your children!" - girl, Astarion is a vampire, he can't have any children. Maybe if he acsends, he will make spawnes, not children
Is it true, then? That Vimpires cannot have children? What sources is this information from? I've been looking for this question answered for a while. For story purposes.
@@medievaldruidess Depends on lore or storytelling. If you want, they can 🙂
@@Mellicent_Shadow Awesome. Thankyou! ♡
What’s the difference between this prison and the one Balthazar made for Ketheric? Seems like all it’ll take is Rolan touching Aylin to free her again only to get trapped by some other wizard who knows how to do the ritual when she’s dumb enough to fall for their traps.
I think the conditions of soul cages can be set by it's caster, cuz in dialogue she mentions Balthazar made that "touching her in friendship" condition to mock her, because it's so easy, yet in the shadowfell she would never find allies cause only shar's devoted ever come there
This is actually a very cool interaction for a choice very few people will see
He mispronounces his own tower's name : 9:27
"razamith"
I feel that he would mispronounce his own towers name tbh
"it's name is whatever I say it is"
maybe because its actually not his tower. originially made by a much more powerful wizard who left the city for whatever reason
Poor Rolan, though! Being trapped by that awful man. Why aren't more people talking about this?
At that point, she might need a book of grudges, makes it easier to keep track of what needs settling.
It seems like true immortality is more of a curse than a blessing in this world.
what happens if you then take the help action on dame aylin at the end their?
I didnt think there was a character id rather kill than Dame Aylin...then thus red haired wizard opened his mouth...
Syphoning her immortality is incredibly stupid when you think about it. Given an infinite amount of time, anything that can happen WILL happen, so if Lorroakan and Aylin are truly immortal they have infinite time in their hands, and one day she will break free, and kill him, just like Ketheric, it might take a few centuries, a few millenia or billions of years, but it will happen. It baffles me how none of them actually thought this through, I guess hubris really makes you blind.
Edit: I'll have to add this, because some people won't read my other replies and i don't want to keep saying the same things over and over again. Yes, he will live longer, but she could choose to just torture him for basically eternity instead of just smiting him. It's up to you if you think the gamble is worth it.
idk about a few centuries, but a few *millennia or billions of years* ??? for sure the gamble has already paid off for Lorroakan by then lol. He might even come to his senses and end it before Aylin breaks free at that point.
@@Kusabiii Well, she made a vow, so even if she changes her mind (which i doubt she would, i mean she tried to smite Thorm even when he surrendered) she doesn't really have a choice.
Besides, she is the daughter of a goddess, she can just torture him until the brink of death and then heal the wounds and keep at it for as long as she wants, he is just a dude after all.
In the best case scenario, the gamble might be worth it, he gets to live a few thousands of years and then a quick death by being smited, but it all depends on how cruel and vengeful she will be after such long imprisonment. One thing is for certain though, when she gets free, he is dead.
@@deannethearsonist8781 I don't think you read my comment, I was implying Lorroakan would end his own life before Aylin breaks free and gets a chance to torture him. I never said Aylin would change her mind. No amount of time would make her forgive him lol
Uhmmm and how living for centuries, or even millenia instead of hundred years max is a stupid trade off exactly?
@@Rasta796 thats what im saying 😂😂
is there any difference to fighting Lorroakan after you give him Dame? does it get harder at all/ any new buffs he gains?
The fight it self should be way harder , it’s literally a fight against seluna’s daughter
Kind of unrelated, but I just realized, is the “always trust a dishonest person” inspiration a Pirates of the Caribbean reference? Jack says the exact same thing. Then again I suppose it’s not an uncommon saying, it just made me think of it lol
i remember trying to do this once, lorroakan got incinerated after fireballing 3 guardians
7:01 yeah whatever you say dame aylin. We know you can't do sht. I have time powers. Even without that you can't do sht 😂
Omg thats so harsh! 😬😅
Watching evil Rolan was horrible
he's not evil ?
When is he ever good?
@@desmondtimberwolf4419 he is good hearted, he safe the childrens and survivors on act 2, and with a little push would stand against his master evil plan, so yeah
She never came with me when i tolk to Lorroakan... she is lazy and just chills at camp. How did you get her to come?
I wonder what s-eat with dead does on Isabel
I quit enjoyed doing that during my evil playthrough ngl
they should buff her and make the fight as difficult as it should be
Yeah but they should first buff her when you side with her. It's kinda annoying her getting downed all the time or knocked the f out and not doing anything in fights. And then in the cut scene she acts like she's the one who took down every enemy 😂.
Didn't everyone give her to him? I assumed this was the most common outcome.
Trading a powerful demigod for 5k gold. Thats pretty sad 💀
Man, its kind of sad that this is kind of blocked for me in my evil playthrough, i mean, the only way i could archieve this is by either ignoring shadowheart completly or let her become "good" by betraying shar, both things that dont do well for an evil party.
You can be really evil and give up Shadowheart to Viconia.
An evil playthrough where your character is atheist so the goal is to piss on as many of DnD's pantheon as possible, including Shar.
I call this the "Gods are Cringe" playthrough.
I did it during my evil playthrough. Of course, it was a combination of my character being manipulative and wanting more control over his companions and also "lol, screw that shitty goddess, with time I shall kill her, too!"
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 That's what i'm doing now i started as cleric of lathander multiclass necro by cannon he hates necromancers and undead i also use his mace i'm shitty to as many gods as i can making abominations wherever i can.
Did you record the full battle?
I already deleted that video
But what happens if you try to kill Lorroakan at the end?
Did anyone game also glitch after they gave up dame??? I had to redo the choice and kill loarrokan cause my entire camp was hostile from then on. Even mizzora
''And I will murder you, and your children''. I do not think Astarion will have many children :P
@Ferzen Do you know if Lorroakan joins the end battle as an ally?
Yes, he offers mass destruction spell like Voss
I hope doing dark shit gives you perma buff
If you're playing Dark Urge, there's numerous chances to make your 'evil playthrough' pay off ..such as with acquiring the Slayer form from Bhaal as his Chosen.
What happens if you attack him while immortal?
I've played some evil damned characters.......But even during my most evil playthrough i never dared to do that 😅
Well, in evil playrthrougs she's probably dead at this point
@@rockisbro4739 ..........No comment 😅
I don't think your children are going to live
The allies are so useless in the end battle anyway, they just run to the area where those vines grab and kill them. Only heal and aoe ones have any use. She is very good cause you can control her, so I'd def save her.
This ally similar to Kith'rak Voss. He deals great damage to large area
I need the money for my statue, ok
So what happens if you attack LOL-rorrakin after he's immortal?
the same of kethric i assume
I'm not sure which of them I find more repellant, Lorroakan or Aylin 😆
I just know that that Dame Aylin beats Isobel
While I understand why Dame Aylin was the way she was (the whole death of Isobel and being trapped and used), I didn't think she was a good paladin, if she was supposed to be one. She seemed bloodthirsty, and it really felt like she was in it for the smiting a lot more than for the justice. I wonder if a potential DLC would have explored and expanded upon her. Of course, we'll never know since there won't be any DLC.
Oath of Vengeance exists for a reason.
Nah this is fucking wrong to do, those are so so bad decisions. There are bad decisions that I would make but that's some shit over my capability