Sorry but that's a bad fold. Doug already pointed out all the reasons why. If assuming logic, Xuan is never jamming something that has you beat?? Nobody would logically jam JJ there.
Don't know why people trap who are scared money when the next card comes out. Literally you know there is a possibility that the board can pair. If you cant handle that don't trap just get it in good.
What I hated most about this video was that they never showed us The Kid at the end, so we didn't get to see his reaction to learning that he would've won the entire pot. And who is the guy that called with Jack's?! 😂🤦🏼 Lastly, this is a great example of how you will always win more betting than you will calling. No shove and she loses that hand.
there's no blanket rule to betting vs calling. The simple fact is maniacs beat nits and stations beat maniacs. She bluff jammed the turn and other guy has TP so it's a classic matchup between 2 fish and which one will win.
@@ticenits1926 Calling that bet with a pair Jacks is crazy and stupid AF with a set, FH, over-pair and flush possible. The way that hand was played no competent player would think their Jacks were good!
Bro. I could sense this one coming I swear. Yesterday I was like, “hmm I wonder what Doug is up to. Hasn’t posted in a while. “ welcome back. I hope this is the start of another streak
When you are under the impression that moving up to high stakes means you are playing better players, watch this video. It's hard to imagine you could find this many players in one hand ever playing the hand so badly.
Yeah, i could see why Doug thought the initial jam seemed more like jacks than the QJ call after he explained it, but the call specifically is what I would have thought was a boat - because it was a call.... lol
@@Senorzilchnzero I'm not sure how pot odds would justify a call... on the turn?? Maybe in spots before the turn. You would need around 20% equity in that spot, and you would surely think that there is a flush and there's no way you'd think you'd have 20% equity with two people already all in. Would the odds of a Jack coming on river be 20%? I would assume someone had jack something at that point if I was him in that hand and, even if no one had a jack, the odds would be like 6% of a Jack river I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong....
HEY Doug, wouldn't you want to iso with the nut flush? narrow down calling margins and inevitably be up against pocket jacks or 3? i think i would of stuck it out and not folding that hand.
I knew he was going to fold. Partly because of the video title and other hints but also because of poker logic. When you face an all in and a call in that situation your hand simply does not look that good anymore. And you can not improve. Lets not forget that one player is already all in so bluffs seem way less likely. And there was action before the raise so the all in player really has to worry about the other two players and is therefore looking really strong. And she still gets called which is looking really strong. To me this is a nice example of a value bluff. She made the worse hand call and the better hand fold. Of course QJ could/should have folded and then the flush might have called.
I can’t believe how bad Xuan’s pre-flop call is there. With that many people in, I am 100% shoving pre-flop with aces when it comes back to me, to winnow the field down to something exactly like KK. Letting AsQs in for so cheap is just asking to get crushed. Of course, because it’s poker, she gets rewarded for jamming when she’s only 10% to win against a monster made hand 🙄
I’ve lost too many nut flushes on paired boards to be critical of the nut flush fold. . I got stacked for 5g’s with a 3h-4h-4c facing a $526 raise with Ah-Qh. The raiser was having a good night and I thought he was getting a bit pushy, so it was either push all-in for a bit over 4g’s or fold. He ended up calling next card was a 10c with the river bringing in my flush 3h-4h-4c-10c-5h. I’m getting ready to stack the chips and he shows 5-5 for a full house. Unbelievable. Calling a 4g raise with 5-5’s.
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When the qj old guy calls you have to assume full house or quads lol nah, but the only thing that bothers me with the hand is turning the aq flush up when folding while there's another person to speak after you in a 4 way pot...
I have thought about this hand way to much. Was it position or the betting or the players that made the nut flush fold. So much I want to know about this play.
Doug I agree with your entire analysis, but is folding the nut flush that bad? This is a situation where Corvette Mike’s play makes absolutely no sense. If this spot were to happen with other players, it’s almost always a boat. I can’t imagine myself calling the all-in with anything less than a flush/boat there, exactly like you said. Maybe I’m wrong? However, I do understand your point that he only needs to be right 1/4.5 times.
I’ve been in this exact spot before. Flopped nut flush. Board pairs on turn guy before me Jams, i call, guy after me rejams. It screams boat. Well neither of them had shit.
I'm extremely nitty in some underbluffed spots, but in a wild stream game with the nut flush? cmon this is probably one of the best spots you can ever find yourself in. Idk corvette mike, but he seems like a very loose and splashy player so he can have all sorts of smaller flushes and xuan has all the overpairs in range + some smaller flushes as well.
Regardless of what happened, the sheer speed of his snap fold was a massive mistake. As an amateur I see why he figured it was a boat, but he didn't even think it through...?
Honestly I'm more worried about the old fart. Most recs I would think aren't jamming even a flush here on a paired board because they are worried Xuan has a boat and Xuan would probably just call w JJ. I'm concerned the old guy has JJ or 34s. The combos honestly are closer the 50/50 than what Doug says I think. About 6 combos of boats and about the same w flushes, but again most old guys wouldn't jam to this action unless they had a boat. Both Xuan and the Corvette guy played it SO BAD it would throw me off too. I've made bad folds like this which is tilting because he shouldn't be good but he is. I guess there's something ri be said for pot odds. You also need to account for fish that overplay their hands. I think in a vacuum vs an unknown this is probably a fold w the nut flush honestly. In Indiana or Michigan it's an easy fold. In places where people play dumb like Texas or Florida it's a call. I've scratched my head a few times when I've played in these states because people do shit that doesn't make sense like jamming w AA and going all in w QJ.
What the hell was Mike doing calling the all in? He only beats a bluff. Did he really think she bluffed with a hand that doesn't beat jacks, with 2 others behind her? It's not like he thought she was bluffing and he raised to get her to fold.
Since live stream poker rose to the top of poker media over the past few years, I have never seen a nit player getting rewarded or is still relevant in the game. Almost all of them slowly chip their way down to oblivion😅
Lets be honest. Most frustrating thing about this video is that we cant see Kids face after they showed their hands. And i think we should have. Im rly frustrated.
day all played horrible but in the end the AAs still gets the W! lucky she didn't reraise a bit after the KKs short all in... im sure AQs calls her, maybe folds preflop if she jams all in
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1 out of 3 is 33%, buddy, not 22%. He has to be right slightly more than 1 out of 4, not 3
Which players are cheating. Cause you know they are. It’s poker. 😅
Hey Doug, you didn't mention if you won the match against Negreanu after watching that course. Did you?
when u call they have boats, when u fold they have AA and QJ 😂
So always check!
It's better to lose than to be bluffed xd
@bartas77k Take a moment to think about how that doesn’t make sense...
@bartas77k umm how can he check? 😂
then they're folding the flush way to often
@@gigglesinsidethere’s 3 options in poker and checking is one of them
Very disappointed in the lack of screen time of The Kid after he makes the bad fold....
I know right?! The complete omission of even a single reaction shot has got ME on tilt!
Absolutely! I was desperate to see his face and see his reactions
he jumped out the window
My thoughts exactly!!!
I came to furiously type this exact comment. That is some terrible camera work. I am more tilted than The Kid!
This is corvette Mike. I was convinced Xuan was bluffing with A-K and my call would get the Kid to fold a weaker flush. Obviously I was wrong.
not wrong at all. She was bluffing with AA and you got the Kid to fold "a" flush.
Appreciate the analysis, that is a BALLSY play
@@ticenits1926 She isn't bluffing though
In what universe does someone bluff shove into 4 people with air on the turn after all have called the flop?
@@Mufasa9090 She was definitely bluffing.
It's why they call him the kid, not the man
cause he looks like william h bonny
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You should never play poker again. Unless I’m at the table, then you should def play
who ?
@@FUINY7 WTF do you mean who? Obviously the person who wrote the post. Take some time off licking windows and work on that IQ
Congrats
I would've folded too. That many people in you have to assume there's a boat out there somewhere.
2 recs clicking randomly misleading a player who assumes logic behind their actions. Classic!
This was a truly awful jam from AA & the QJ call is utterly nuballs; somebody's got a boat, right? RIGHT?!
It was a great fold based on the action. Nut flush never good, especially with Xuan jamming and someone calling.
@@charlesnewborn3760 No1 said it wasnt. if you read what ive written you'd realize i was talking about the AA and the QJ
He shoulda moved in first
Sorry but that's a bad fold. Doug already pointed out all the reasons why. If assuming logic, Xuan is never jamming something that has you beat?? Nobody would logically jam JJ there.
Nice hand Kid, you played it perfectly! Trapped the shit outta them. Wait, you folded?
Don't know why people trap who are scared money when the next card comes out. Literally you know there is a possibility that the board can pair. If you cant handle that don't trap just get it in good.
I can't believe Doug didn't consider the obvious option of someone having J4...factoring that in - easy fold for the Kid...
Obvious. Out of character for Doug to overlook
Who plays J4 without a vibrating seat though ?
Who in their right mind is still in for the flop with J-4 the way this played out pre-flop? Where do you play poker? I'm coming by.
@@veganbutcherhackepeter It's an homage to the J-4 hand. Just google it lol.
I think it's because J4 would never play this way.
Kinda deserved can’t be calling yourself the kid over 30 years old
absolutely cooked him, most kids have more nuts than him as well
What I hated most about this video was that they never showed us The Kid at the end, so we didn't get to see his reaction to learning that he would've won the entire pot. And who is the guy that called with Jack's?! 😂🤦🏼
Lastly, this is a great example of how you will always win more betting than you will calling. No shove and she loses that hand.
there's no blanket rule to betting vs calling. The simple fact is maniacs beat nits and stations beat maniacs. She bluff jammed the turn and other guy has TP so it's a classic matchup between 2 fish and which one will win.
@@ticenits1926 Calling that bet with a pair Jacks is crazy and stupid AF with a set, FH, over-pair and flush possible. The way that hand was played no competent player would think their Jacks were good!
One person's stupidity leads to another person's logical decision that happens to be hideous.
Bro. I could sense this one coming I swear. Yesterday I was like, “hmm I wonder what Doug is up to. Hasn’t posted in a while. “ welcome back. I hope this is the start of another streak
Finally, don’t wait so long between posts!!!!!!!
I think the Kid was just thinking it was better to stay in the green than to win more. Classic case of vertigo.
When you are under the impression that moving up to high stakes means you are playing better players, watch this video. It's hard to imagine you could find this many players in one hand ever playing the hand so badly.
This is an underrated comment
To those wondering why Mike doesnt drive a corvette.... its because of too many calls like this on turns when ur just dead,everytime
2:28 loosy goosey eating sushi
QJ calling there is insane.
Yeah, i could see why Doug thought the initial jam seemed more like jacks than the QJ call after he explained it, but the call specifically is what I would have thought was a boat - because it was a call.... lol
pot odds.
@@melon-kun_usa the call has to be why the flush folded
@@Senorzilchnzero I'm not sure how pot odds would justify a call... on the turn?? Maybe in spots before the turn. You would need around 20% equity in that spot, and you would surely think that there is a flush and there's no way you'd think you'd have 20% equity with two people already all in. Would the odds of a Jack coming on river be 20%? I would assume someone had jack something at that point if I was him in that hand and, even if no one had a jack, the odds would be like 6% of a Jack river I think. Someone correct me if I'm wrong....
The people need an interview with the Kid after that...
yea I hate when you give a bunch of morons too much credit and muck a winner... feels terrible
Are you seriously suggesting that Xuan, for instance, is a bad player?
@@Argumemnongood player absolutely horrible jam with just aces there on that scary board. Amazing bluff tho if she could see the hands lol
3 clowns go to the casino to play poker, find out what happens next ..
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HEY Doug, wouldn't you want to iso with the nut flush? narrow down calling margins and inevitably be up against pocket jacks or 3? i think i would of stuck it out and not folding that hand.
Doug I refresh your page atleast once a week hoping for a new upload. Thank you for posting this was hilarious 😂
i dont know if a bunch of fish all playing their hands terribly qualifies for hand of the year lol
I knew he was going to fold. Partly because of the video title and other hints but also because of poker logic. When you face an all in and a call in that situation your hand simply does not look that good anymore. And you can not improve. Lets not forget that one player is already all in so bluffs seem way less likely. And there was action before the raise so the all in player really has to worry about the other two players and is therefore looking really strong. And she still gets called which is looking really strong.
To me this is a nice example of a value bluff. She made the worse hand call and the better hand fold. Of course QJ could/should have folded and then the flush might have called.
stop pretending you know what your talking about this is a snap fist bump call/allin 0 cares you have the nutflush with 3psb left on the flop
i played plenty of games where this type of play, jam + all in is either 2 boats or 1 boat and 1 bluff. exploitive fold can be an option at your game.
More videos please doug! Great analysis
I can’t believe how bad Xuan’s pre-flop call is there. With that many people in, I am 100% shoving pre-flop with aces when it comes back to me, to winnow the field down to something exactly like KK.
Letting AsQs in for so cheap is just asking to get crushed. Of course, because it’s poker, she gets rewarded for jamming when she’s only 10% to win against a monster made hand 🙄
I’ve lost too many nut flushes on paired boards to be critical of the nut flush fold. . I got stacked for 5g’s with a 3h-4h-4c facing a $526 raise with Ah-Qh. The raiser was having a good night and I thought he was getting a bit pushy, so it was either push all-in for a bit over 4g’s or fold. He ended up calling next card was a 10c with the river bringing in my flush 3h-4h-4c-10c-5h. I’m getting ready to stack the chips and he shows 5-5 for a full house. Unbelievable. Calling a 4g raise with 5-5’s.
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When the qj old guy calls you have to assume full house or quads lol nah, but the only thing that bothers me with the hand is turning the aq flush up when folding while there's another person to speak after you in a 4 way pot...
we missed you bro, needs more videos from you
Interesting to see Xuan play a hand - given how tight her table image is I'd be folding a lot to her opens
As you can see, playing multi way against someone with only AA can be very profitable.
I have thought about this hand way to much. Was it position or the betting or the players that made the nut flush fold. So much I want to know about this play.
Doug I agree with your entire analysis, but is folding the nut flush that bad? This is a situation where Corvette Mike’s play makes absolutely no sense. If this spot were to happen with other players, it’s almost always a boat. I can’t imagine myself calling the all-in with anything less than a flush/boat there, exactly like you said. Maybe I’m wrong? However, I do understand your point that he only needs to be right 1/4.5 times.
11:30 I thought Scatman John was dead
Quality AD insertions there sir
Yo Doug.
You should do some seat giveaway to come play at the lodge.
Is my internet connection playing up? The footage seems... funky.
Wait did someone fold kings preflop?
Yeaaa!! Wtf!! Why nobody talking about this, first to act and fold KK??????
Knew they were up against AA, pro move
I couldn't have folded, boats are rarer than 22% imo.
I’ve been in this exact spot before. Flopped nut flush. Board pairs on turn guy before me Jams, i call, guy after me rejams. It screams boat. Well neither of them had shit.
I'm extremely nitty in some underbluffed spots, but in a wild stream game with the nut flush? cmon this is probably one of the best spots you can ever find yourself in. Idk corvette mike, but he seems like a very loose and splashy player so he can have all sorts of smaller flushes and xuan has all the overpairs in range + some smaller flushes as well.
Regardless of what happened, the sheer speed of his snap fold was a massive mistake. As an amateur I see why he figured it was a boat, but he didn't even think it through...?
Honestly I'm more worried about the old fart. Most recs I would think aren't jamming even a flush here on a paired board because they are worried Xuan has a boat and Xuan would probably just call w JJ. I'm concerned the old guy has JJ or 34s. The combos honestly are closer the 50/50 than what Doug says I think. About 6 combos of boats and about the same w flushes, but again most old guys wouldn't jam to this action unless they had a boat. Both Xuan and the Corvette guy played it SO BAD it would throw me off too. I've made bad folds like this which is tilting because he shouldn't be good but he is. I guess there's something ri be said for pot odds. You also need to account for fish that overplay their hands. I think in a vacuum vs an unknown this is probably a fold w the nut flush honestly. In Indiana or Michigan it's an easy fold. In places where people play dumb like Texas or Florida it's a call. I've scratched my head a few times when I've played in these states because people do shit that doesn't make sense like jamming w AA and going all in w QJ.
2:13 I expect QJs to almost never have 20% equity facing this action.
And no pt did I ever imagine the flush holder was going to fold this hand. I thought the insanity was initial on that AA shove.
MISSED YOU DOUG!
Xuan was saying the wine talked to her about going all in, lol
I disagree with the different hand options, nowadays you have to consider J4 to be played sometimes
What the hell was Mike doing calling the all in? He only beats a bluff. Did he really think she bluffed with a hand that doesn't beat jacks, with 2 others behind her? It's not like he thought she was bluffing and he raised to get her to fold.
Robert P. is the highlight of this vid- bro looks like a legend
how did everyone manage to misplay their hand so badly? lmao
Trapping his hand and folding when they go all in is definitely a play of all time
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I swear when you signed off I thought we wouldn't get a reveal.
Xuan crazily turning AA into an accidental bluff and winning lmfao!
No way I would have folded the nuts. Even if I thought a full house may be out there.
The worst fold ive ever seen i think. If your beat, your beat then lose all your money but its 10k to win 47k. Insane
I am sure I am thinking I want to fold and feel beat but given the pot odds you have to make the crying call.
"I assume the kid is trying to win money playing poker." There is no evidence for that.
How did the hand end lmao?
I’ve noticed your videos don’t get views, unless there is some sort of controversy and you have some click bait title 😂
This hand was posted on r/poker a few days ago and the comments were very very bad.
That’s why you don’t overthink and just play your hand
Sounds like slick Rick has some money invested into Corvette Mike hahahahaha
He stand on business with that name "The Kid" lmfaooo
He's on TV earing that hat, pretending to play poker and eating sushi. Yeah we get it Jared, you're special.
Fun fact: A bad fold hurts 10x more than a bad call.
Should he have shown the Ace when he folded? There was one more card to go.
Since live stream poker rose to the top of poker media over the past few years, I have never seen a nit player getting rewarded or is still relevant in the game.
Almost all of them slowly chip their way down to oblivion😅
"The best hand pre-flop" takes it down.
Not sad!
The director of this stream blew it here.
12:33 how does Xuan have 10% equity?
Full house. Ace or 4 on the river.
Ace on the river?
How do you flop flush then fold. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If the players are good the fold is not too bad. Against players who might be doing random stuff, you have to call it.
What your back making content yes let’s go
Standard fold with the nut flush, no biggie with paired board.
River: 4.
- "I was right!" lulz
J4 was the concern!
Nobody would have called preflop with J4
Watching the vid expecting Kid to call and an A or K to come on the river. This was unexpected to say the least.
Why would the action slow down? Lol
This is why everyone wants to play poker in Texas
Putting food plate on the table is so cringe. House needs to enforce some propriety. At least turn away from the table to stuff your face.
and you need to be good here more than 22% on the turn because they have equity. it would be 22% if it were an allin call otr
bro played his hand perfectly, then folded
Wow, that was pretty Crazy!
How do you snap fold the nut flush. What the fuck
I don't get that fold at all. Why don't we see the kid throwing up after the hands get shown?
How the f does “the kid” fold the nut flush
He put one of them on the Robbie lew hand
Lets be honest. Most frustrating thing about this video is that we cant see Kids face after they showed their hands. And i think we should have. Im rly frustrated.
day all played horrible but in the end the AAs still gets the W! lucky she didn't reraise a bit after the KKs short all in... im sure AQs calls her, maybe folds preflop if she jams all in
Whatever the decision, he folded to quickly without even thinking in a 1/5 river call.
Im sure he've played online alot! It could happened many time with full house. That why he got scared
not showing the kids face after that is criminal
J4, J3 has you beat 😮
She isn’t jamming the nuts and if mikes proven to be a station (by the looks of that call he is) then u can’t be folding a flopped nut flush.