My favorite Men the Master story: Power goes out in the middle of a poker tournament. When the lights come back on Jean-Robert Bellande yells out, "New chip leader, Men the Master!"
As I see poker; it’s for cheaters, degenerates, MC’s, lawless people, criminals… 😝 he fits perfectly. I’ve been playing since 2004. I met a lot of lowlifes.
Poker dealer here. ALWAYS sort out your main pot BEFORE running out a board. If a player says "just rip it," the dealer should respond, "please allow me to make the pot right." And make the pot right first!! There are multiple side pots? Sort those first the run the board!
Depends its theres massive amounts of chips itll take too long to sort out if everyone has diff chip stacks so they will just run it n figure it out cuz if the chip leader busts everyone then all chips goes to him n nothing to sort out so there r situations to be faster
Dealer here. My go to line is “I’m gonna make everyone mad but I’m going to make the main pot first” for a three way all in. I developed that as a new dealer when players would egg me on to just run the board out.
bro the wsop dealers are the worst ive ever seen. if you are involved in the hand, you better watch everything closely. ive had to chop up pots myself and tell the dealers which hands have won while playing. tread with extreme caution. they will literally let anyone deal the wsop
Your question is a great one. One thing Doug didn't mention (or maybe notice) is that the dealer was evidently struggling to count the chips for the main and side pots. We know this because when you turn up the audio on that video, you can hear someone call the floor over to help her count. It's only AFTER Nguyen pulls his chips back that we see the floor staffer walk over to lend a hand. Shady AF.
What was the dealer doing during this hand? As a former dealer I would lose my shit if I saw a player reaching into the pot while I was sorting out the hands and the winnings.
Not just that, but the pots should have been separated before it even started to prevent this. Pull in the short pot (standard I thought) and leave the two others in front. ALSO I saw him celebrating and NOT watching the pot. Celebrate after you have the pot settled.
Maybe you can help me out since you used to deal.. It's been a few years since I played but I'd swear I've seen dealers leave large all-in bets in front of the player rather than moving everything into fhe pot. I could be crazy, but I just have this mental image of seeing players taking down their last bet after an all-in chop then being given their half of the pot that WAS in the middle. In which case, that could very well be what we see Men doing in this video. In that case, the mistake would be that the dealer just failed to pull the appropriate amount out of each stack to call Smittys bet for the main pot. Just a thought because at first it didn't seem unusual to me to see Men taking down his last bet given that the side pot chopped. Also, it seems like other people at the table would be screaming like crazy if he were straight up pulling the chips out of the pot when he wasn't supposed to. Even if the dealer somehow missed that, I doubt the whole table would have.
@@fuhkerz you are supposed bring all bets in. I am not going to lie, I have definitely left big stacks in front of the players, but it would still be my responsibility to make sure that players do not touch anything until the pot is settled. On the player side it is still the responsibility of the player to protect his interest at all times. The winning player should have been paying attention instead of celebrating.
@@fuhkerz Yes this is exactly what happened. Basically a witch hunt on this guy because of his history. He assumed like most players would that the side pot had already been separated, the other AK in the pot started to pull their chips in so he did too.
The WSOP should be ashamed of itself for the bush league way it handled this incident. No way this poker player should still be allowed to be playing in the WSOP.
Another aspect is they should never have the bad dealers deal this deep in an event. Like for all 10ks and the other day 2s and 3s have the better dealers deal.
It's harder than you think. The bigger or more important tournaments are harder to deal, so are you punishing the competent dealers? Or if the competent dealers are making more money, that's hard to balance, too.
No, there's something else that should be done in cheaters, that was specifically mentioned as what was the norm by THIS CHANNEL during the wild west days. We need to go back to that.
@@penknight8532 Why spare their life though? Exile and death both remove the cheater, but the chance of starting over in a new town might still let the cheater think their conduct has an out if they get caught.
Men "The Angle" Nguyen. I remember playing High Limit poker way back in the late 1990's. - 1998. I saw Men discreetly take a few chips off a player stack (player who left the table to take breaks) , especially when he had to pay the waitress or server there tips. Off to the side, I alerted the poker room manager and he said Men knew the player and he was ordering him something for him too. Ok...Thats what I get trying to be the table police. A few hands later Men moved or cashed out. When Men left the table he glared at me and said something in Vietnamese. Later 3 different Asian / Vietnamese dudes kept following me. So there you go.....
Are you real familiar with Men's bodies? Are you good at reading them? Could you read Men's bodies in the dark? Maybe you've said something like "You really know what you're doing" while reading Men's bodies?
@meepk633 I guess I need to watch the video again...I don't recall any of the criteria that you just described for your fantasy evening being applicable here. Also, none of those being satisfied would detract from how obviously guilty Men is. Grow up, skippy.
I was approached by Men's minions back in 2004 to be part of his stable. I was told explicitly to play normal, but if I'm at a table with Men, to never raise him and to make sure I fold to any of his bets. I never saw it, but did hear about other horses chip dumping to him, too. I declined the "honor" and actually busted Men from a tournament at Hollywood Park the next week lol
Plus they already get their rake revenue through entry fees so even less incentive to care and also with the number of poker tables and event rooms to handle them, it’s not entirely feasible. However, any tournament that gets to the money especially when it’s a smaller field should be under better scrutiny.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 exactly my point, SECURITY cameras. Shouldn’t SECURITY cameras be able to see the chips being taken? Otherwise, why are they there? It’s only to protect themselves, not the players.
Exactly this. I was really wondering the whole time why this wasn't mentioned. I know that Men has been known to shoot angles in the past, but he is really old and it's entirely possible that he didn't even realize what he was doing here. He tied for the side pot and would in fact just take his chips back and he could have easily assumed that the dealer already made the main pot right before he did this. That being said, he should have just given the chips up when it was pointed out that they were missing. He definitely is at fault at that point.
@southerncharity7928 it's not standard. I've been a dealer for 15 years. You're always supposed to make the main pot correct, then figure the sidepot after if it's 3-way
It's about the standard of society. Let talk about the corruption of government officials. For some countries, any amount of corrections is considered bad. But there are many countries that small amount of corruption by government officials is OK. It's normal. For some ethnic background, I always use the term... the default is xxx until proven otherwise.
Had same experience at casino. Dealer cheated me out some chips. Casino said they looked at the cameras n found nothing. 100% incompetent or lied cuz i knew exactly how many chips i had n i was missing some
There are a lot of good floormen who have a hard time dealing with emotional assholes, degens, drunks, etc... But a lot of them just want to take a bribe to move your name up the list and do as little as humanly possible to not get fired.
A lot of it depends on who the players are. This happened in a cash game my friend was playing last year. When two players with explosive tempers got into an argument. When one of them started moaning about bad beats despite the fact he was winning a lot and put a couple of nasty coolers on other players at the table. Understandably one of the players who plays a ton of roulette didn't take kindly to it given he was done a lot during the night, which escalated into a war of words, then chairs getting thrown and finally the game getting broken up. The casino then decided to ban the player who complaining about bad beats for a year, and took no action against the other player, because he was too valuable a customer for them.
@@mrhumble2937That would have been the first bit of information they had when he went all-in. From there, it's pretty easy to figure out. There were 2.5m in from blinds and antes, then Smitty got called by 2 players on a 4.525m bet. So if, at the start of the next hand, Smitty had less than 16.075m, something is wrong. Given that the amount missing is basically equal to the amount of Smittys original stack, it seems likely that the dealer simply forgot to take that amount from one of the other two players all-in bets to settle up the main pot. So while I definitely would BET that Men did this, and did it intentionally, it's also possible that it was the other bigger stack or that Men didn't even notice that the dealer failed to take out the portion for the main pot.
@@fuhkerz I hate to say it, because I'd like nothing more for there to be - at last - hard evidence of Men cheating. But there is definitely a chance Smith had his starting stack wrong. All of this is largely predicated on what Smith says was his starting stack, then what he had when the next hand began. But again, I want to be wrong about this. I want there to be good camera footage of Men visibly pulling his chips back before the dealer and floor sorted the pots (which we DO have) plus footage of that amount affecting the various pot sizes (which we don't have, at least not from that one Tweet). We've been hearing about Men's cheating forever now, but there has never been anything more than accusations and allegations. I want to use my "one time" on finding irrefutable evidence of Men pulling a fast one on this dealer.
This is what's confusing me, I used to be a croupier /dealer. One time a very good customer (friendly, funny, female) slapped my hand as a joke while I was dealing blackjack and she lost and I reached to pick up her bet. In my house that's fine. In the casino premises there are laws. One of them is never touch the dealer. (several reasons why not to from against cheating rulers to money laundering and safety). She was kicked out on the spot. Nobody was happy for doing so. Men shouldn't be allowed in the perimeter. I'm afraid to say but, if you're cheating for years and years in Vegas and still be able to walk in casinos, well, you might have friends in high places. In every aspect it's the casinos fault. 1. He shouldn't be allowed to play in first place. 2. Where is the pit boss when men pulls his stack back? 3. Why there is no pause-camera check-paying the player the correct amount? This is casino security. It's on the licence that you have to provide a safe environment for gaming.
Poker will remain a game of degenerates and shady characters because the casinos ensure it remains this way. The game could be bigger and less controversial if the casinos ran the show strictly by the rules.
With around 20 players left at a WPT main even I came back to my chips the next day to find out 1/3rd of my chips had been taken out of the bag in-between days. They didn't check the cameras and nothing happened because the game was about to start. I ended up bubbling the final table. It was life changing money for me. They need to up security cos thes events attract the worst type of people
How does that even happen? There aren't multiple records of every stack to cross reference any time there's a postponement? I guess the trouble is that if chips disappear, they don't necessarily have to reappear (in another stack)
@@JustinHampton-l5j They count the number of chips with you, then record it and put them away. Thats how I knew there were less. However I turned up to the game late and everyone already had the chips out so there was no recounting everyones chips
The dirty little secret nobody in tournament management wants you to know ... They hold those large tournaments in conference rooms and halls where gaming normally doesn't take place (even the WSOP). There aren't nearly as many cameras in those rooms as there are on the gaming floor or in the poker room, and the resolution on those cameras isn't nearly as high. Also, the people in surveillance often aren't knowledgeable about poker, and the camera room only allows upper-level tournament management in to review footage. In a shockingly large number of situations, the floor says they're going to consult surveillance, go speak to the most senior floorperson on duty and arrive at a decision without reviewing any footage. That's why so many decisions don't seem to make any sense.
It was bullshit for the floor to make it Ryan’s decision. The floor is the one who needed to grow some balls and make an absolute ruling. Which he did not. He put it all on Ryan.
It was bullshit for the floor to make it Ryan’s decision. The floor is the one who needed to grow some balls and make an absolute ruling. Which he did not. He put it all on Ryan.
not 100% sure of year but pretty sure it was 2014. I played in a Foxwoods tournament where you started with 30k in chips. Everyone had 1 gray 10k chip. After about 50 minutes of play no one had busted from the table but someone noticed one of the Asian players had 2 gray chips. 9 players on the table and 10 gray chips. I was told the player with the extra chip was one of Men's "posse". Player protested innocence and all that happened was floor took away the extra chip.
Had the same thing happen to me at WSOP this year. Went all in on a big pot and we chopped. As we pulled back I noticed the player grab extra chips that I put in. Once I counted my stack I lost 20% of my chips on a chop pot which I should have gained from antes. The guy argued with me at first then the whole table stood up for me and recalled the action and the guy finally gave back the chips. Be careful out there and alert!
This is why I quit playing poker. It's not the cheaters, it the institutions that are supposed to protect the integrity of the game. They continue to fail at safe and fair play, yet they continue to rake in huge profits for doing so.
I take long breaks from the game when I consider how much casino and dealer ineptitude could cost me. It's like you're always the bad guy and when you need someone to defend you against unfair situations, nobody ever comes to rescue you. I am with you
They stopped another tournament to see the end of an NBA playoffs game. Probably making sure that players placed bet with the appropriate sports book. But they couldn't stop the tournament to take care of this to the max extent possible. Unreal
@@wreagfe Why aren't you paying attention to your hand, chips, etc as a player? You just walk in and put a blindfold on and expect everyone to cater to you like an infant? Dealers do have a hard job. Dealing is easy. Dealing with people like you is what makes it hard.
Dealers at the WSOP are the worse, they get ZERO training and are expected to know how to deal 🤣🤣 WSOP should train them for at least 1 day, it would help a lot. Or put them through an easy online training prep
@@phitruong-xt1pz Lol most dealers make well over 100k and "without trying"? Possibly one of the most inaccurate statements I've ever heard. 😆 Wrong on both counts.
@@Stockcels you must not know very many dealers or on the defensive. An average dealers dealt a minimum of 20 hands every 30 minutes. Some houses with the shuffler they can pump out like 25 average. Tips 2-3 per hand average do the math. And you don’t think they should get any kind of training. From what I know and experienced of course
@@phitruong-xt1pz I used to deal up until recently and we absolutely weren't averaging 2-3 bucks per hand. Maybe it's different where you are but we were probably averaging a dollar per hand in any given shift. Plus a good amount of time we would deal PLO so definitely not 20 hands every 30 minutes on those tables. On top of that, dealers usually get a lot of breaks so even if you're working 8 hours, 2 or more of those hours are breaks.
@@phitruong-xt1pz A dealer that deals you 20 hands in 30min knows what they are doing, we’re not talking about them, I hope you’re not cuz if you are you’re wrong AND a douchebag 😂
played in this event and couldn't believe the dealers they had . they were basically having to be told what to do by the entire table. also a guy died on one of the flights they didn't even pause the clock it was pretty insane.
Just wanted to give you props for protecting your dealers, and dealers in general. They need to be right 100% of the time, or at least be ready to admit when they counted wrong. Its a hard job when you have a bunch of people watching you count, and they always want you to count faster. Thanks for recognizing that abusing a dealer is absurd.
We really can’t be surprised that Men was involved. Now let’s be clear, the fault lies with the dealer. The dealer did not maintain the pot or control the action appropriately. The dealer never brought all the money into the middle matching the small stack as they are taught to do. Men, being the enterprising player that he is, pulled his stack back because he noticed the dealer never pulled in the money. Another player and we can chalk it up to possibly being an honest mistake in all the excitement because people were distracted by a bust out. But with Men, there is absolutely no doubt he did this knowing exactly what he was doing. The man is scum.
Where WAS the DEALER !? Wasn’t the dealer the judge and referee ? An incompetent dealer ! Investigate and put Men in jail ! Stealing chips is equivalent to stealing money.
From a business management perspective, those $2m in 'consolation' chips strongly suggest to me that there wasn't adequate camera coverage of the table, but organisers didn't want to admit it. Simply put... if they had coverage of the table including the dealer, organisers could have reconstructed the movement of chips & confronted Men with the evidence to get him to cough up. The fact that they "reviewed the cameras" twice and _still_ pressed Foutty to put money in rather than demanding the chips from Men, tells me they had _no idea_ what happened at that table & when they got caught lacking by Smith rightly demanding a proper resolution, they scrambled for a solution that would be acceptable and stop further inquiry. I bet that footage of Nguyen that surfaced on Twitter had them sweating... Men's not even subtle about it. Not a good look for WSOP.
I don't understand what Foutty did. Why did he give away the chips he did not owe? Is he just a doormat? Also, it seems like other players not involved in the hand said that Men owed the chips, but the floor did something bizarre instead? Is the floor a moron?
There are games I won't play anymore and I know of others (including some very generous fish) who stopped playing at one venue because cheating was tolerated. Ban this guy.
Clearly the brand new dealer didn’t square the pots before the all-in runout. Once the board was dealt, she either asked the players to take back the chopped side pot (which was never squared) or more likely, Men chose to revolve his own bet knowing the extra 4 million was still in his side pot stack which actually belonged in the main pot. Either way, Men knew exactly what he was doing. He’s been at this game far too long to feign ignorance.
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Tournament director should be fired, there is clear evidence of what happened. Why not resolve it? These casinos have the best cameras. What are we missing here? Like wut??
The dealer should have first pulled in the $4.5 all in from the other 2 players for the main pot. Then determine which of those 2 had the least left and pull that amount into the side pot from the 2 remaining, motion for the balance to go back to the rightful owner and THEN finish dealing. Men is a known cheat and angle shooter, but if the dealer does the job correctly, it doesn't become a factor.
I've seen a lot of single pot all ins where they just count what's effective, then divy it up after they know who won. Players probably prefer this so they spend half the time counting chips. The dealer definitely should've set the main pot before doing anything else. My guess is that with 20k entrees they probably hired and trained a bunch of dealers who had no experience.
Meh, I understand it... 4.5x starting stack, plus the presence of the BBA affects both his fold equity now and the stack size he'll have on the next deal (2.5x). Mathematically, I think the bottom of the suited jack shoving range for that spot (4.5x, UTG, BBA) is more like J7s or J8s. J5s is obviously below that threshold, but it's not egregiously bad. If the table is playing tighter than it should - e.g. because everyone is getting reseated in a few minutes - maybe it widens the shoving range a click or two. Plus, Harrington wrote about that whole "first-in vig" eons ago. This might have also played into Smitty's decision, too.
To me, Men pulling the chips back isn't necessarily evidence of wrongdoing in itself. He had the largest stack of the three. When I first saw this, I sort of figured that's what had happened: the awarded the main pot, then split the side pot, which is what we see Men doing. As much as I don't like giving Men The Master the benefit of the doubt, I also like to spot any reasonable doubt that could get him off the hook. However, when watching the video later with the audio on, you can clearly hear someone call the floor over to help the dealer count out the two pots (main and side) AFTER the moment Men is seen pulling chips back in. That strikes me as shady no matter how you slice it. Shouldn't Men be leaving that alone to let the staff count?? The weird part is that this should never have affected Smith. Any dealers, please correct me, but it seems she (and the floor) should have first counted out Smith's stack, then pulled those same amounts from each of Foutty and Nguyen. Throw in the SB, BB and BB ante, then Smith has his 15 BB stack as it should be. If anything, it should have screwed up Poutty: when divvying up the split side pot, Men had already pulled some of his chips back, meaning the dealer splits a smaller amount than it should have. Regardless, I was absolutely hoping that there was camera footage FINALLY showing Men's cheating at the table. We've heard rumors and allegations for years now, but that's all they have been. Pretty disappointed nothing more came from this.
Maybe pulling back chips can be seen as a bad look for Men now that there's this controversy. But he can pull chips back all he wants, he can pull some back and leave some out, what happens next I speculate is the dealer not really counting the pot and just pull the chips left out by Men. Stupid dealers, pretending to count. So sad, but players gotta do everything themselves in their own head and see if they agree with the pot size and watch out for any slack or cheating.
These were my thoughts. There should have been a pot made with Brian's chips matched by the other 2 players with the blinds and antes included before any flop is done. There shouldn't have been any of Brian's potential chips in front of Men. If the side pot was not figured out before the flop, the dealer just has to grab the right amount of chips from the 2 players to match Brian's chips. I have no idea how this situation got to the point it did.
Are you really going to search someone's personal items because they were cooking fish? It's not like they were caught doing lines of coke with scales and baggies everywhere
It's a weird comment on her part. No context. Who entered the room ? Hotel staff ? Poker officials ? When did they enter ? When were the chips supposedly seen ?
@howard5992 exactly... there is absolutely no reason they would be looking for tournament chips in the room because they were having an unauthorized fish fry
I played with Nguyen for 5 hours on day 2 of the colossus this year. When big chips were 500k and he already had a stack of 100k chips, he randomly asked the player to my right to chip down the only three 500k chips. Then proceeded to claim he gave them 5 chips and the player owes him 2 more 500k chips.
I played a few days of 20/40 mix mostly short handed with Men last year. Over less than a week he tried to take back bets he owed dozens of times. And he tried to pull 100s of angles. He was heavily drinking too, but I have no doubt thay this isn't just accidental behavior. He also played terribly lol
In regards to the story about the tournament chips I completely trust Kathy's statement. She is a stand up woman who ran the room with the utmost resepct and integrity. Many of us were upset upon hearing that she was taking a job in Vegas. Kathy if you ever see this I hope life is treating you well. As far as Men goes...like others I've heard many things for years, particularly around the LA scene.
Doug, this just isn`t right. The dealer protects the pots. Dealers are discouraged to add up the pot until action ends. They verify each incoming call matches the bet made until there is an all in, Then if players ask for a count of that bet they can get it. They can call by simply tossing in a chip and saying call. After the hand is over it doesn`t matter what the master did with his chips. The dealer counts up the all in and makes sure it is collected by each player that called. And that any additional betting after the all in is handled correctly. With all of that in mind. How can this happen? Did the dealer make a 4.5 million mistake? Why is it Men Nguyens fault. And how is a dealer error get him accused of cheating?
If he does he should hire me for masterclass. 5 kids , ages 19,16,14,4,3. My tag line would be “I’ve experienced all the bad beats, so you don’t have too” But for real I could probably make amazing course.
Etiquette question, i am serious. I play low stakes cash, sometimes tournaments, sometimes in Vegas, mostly home games. When i have lots of chips, i do stacks of 10, and then the second and third level of stacks of 10 is offset like in a brick wall. Noone ever complained or mentioned it. Is stacks of 20 actually a thing and everyone lets it slide because the visibility is good, or is everyone letting it slide because its low stakes and low stakes is less serious? Somehow i just think in 10 stacks and having my 10 stack walls helps me keep track not only of my own but also the opponents chip count. Would this cause issues at higher stakes or higher profile events or is this fine?
20 is standard but the reason nobody had complained about offsets every 10 is that it's still clear what you have. If you were stacking 9 or 11 or 18, 19, 21,or 22 it would be considered deceptive or at least difficult to judge.
@@EfficientRVer Oh ok so it should be fine everywhere. Thanks. Yes i guess its not difficult to see them as awkwardly tilted or offset stacks of 20. I also set them up this way, keeping the pattern of denominations/colors going two 10-stacks deep.
@@kurtilein3 I don't really care how people keep their chips. It just feels like a lot of the players who keep chips in stacks of 10 or some similar smaller number always play around and waste time betting or calling. Its like dude you have stacks of 5. You don't need to count every chip. Then put 2 stacks of 5 together and count it again, then do same at 20 chips. Then do same with next stack rather than push a couple next to each other and cut them evenly once one is counted. Wasting everyone's time. Players like that are tilting, I will literally get a table change.
How is watching your chips going to help? Men didn’t take chips out of his stack; he just pulled back his entire 25 million before the dealer had a chance to pull 4.5 mil out. If this is on anyone (other than Men) it’s on the dealer for not pulling all the bets into the side pot.
My favorite Men the Master story: Power goes out in the middle of a poker tournament. When the lights come back on Jean-Robert Bellande yells out, "New chip leader, Men the Master!"
LOL
Fuck that's some funny shit!
That is hilarious 🤣
Amazing. That’s poker. Brutal needles
😂
Seriously, allowing cheaters in the game is BAD for the game. Should be banned from tournaments.
Wasn’t his fault dealer didn’t do the job not his responsibility
He took the chips. Yes, it is his fault. WTF?
Think about it. Villains have always played poker. It's good for the game. In a Gotham city type of way lol
You would have no game if you threw out all the cheaters.
As I see poker; it’s for cheaters, degenerates, MC’s, lawless people, criminals… 😝 he fits perfectly.
I’ve been playing since 2004. I met a lot of lowlifes.
Poker dealer here. ALWAYS sort out your main pot BEFORE running out a board. If a player says "just rip it," the dealer should respond, "please allow me to make the pot right." And make the pot right first!! There are multiple side pots? Sort those first the run the board!
Yep. I used to say "No, I need to make sure the pot is right." I would never run the board unless I had all the pots right.
Depends its theres massive amounts of chips itll take too long to sort out if everyone has diff chip stacks so they will just run it n figure it out cuz if the chip leader busts everyone then all chips goes to him n nothing to sort out so there r situations to be faster
Dealer here. My go to line is “I’m gonna make everyone mad but I’m going to make the main pot first” for a three way all in. I developed that as a new dealer when players would egg me on to just run the board out.
Or, or, just do it after, if everyone’s allin already, but do it after correctly. : )
Where are the cameras?
What the hell was the dealer doing while Men was pulling his chips back out??
As much as there is no doubt men is a genuine scumbag, all that clip shows is him getting his chips back from the side pot.
yeah, thats what i thought too which makes it much weirder
Apparently not doing their job
bro the wsop dealers are the worst ive ever seen. if you are involved in the hand, you better watch everything closely. ive had to chop up pots myself and tell the dealers which hands have won while playing. tread with extreme caution. they will literally let anyone deal the wsop
Your question is a great one. One thing Doug didn't mention (or maybe notice) is that the dealer was evidently struggling to count the chips for the main and side pots. We know this because when you turn up the audio on that video, you can hear someone call the floor over to help her count. It's only AFTER Nguyen pulls his chips back that we see the floor staffer walk over to lend a hand. Shady AF.
What was the dealer doing during this hand? As a former dealer I would lose my shit if I saw a player reaching into the pot while I was sorting out the hands and the winnings.
Not just that, but the pots should have been separated before it even started to prevent this. Pull in the short pot (standard I thought) and leave the two others in front. ALSO I saw him celebrating and NOT watching the pot. Celebrate after you have the pot settled.
@@Ethaniel67 100%
Maybe you can help me out since you used to deal..
It's been a few years since I played but I'd swear I've seen dealers leave large all-in bets in front of the player rather than moving everything into fhe pot. I could be crazy, but I just have this mental image of seeing players taking down their last bet after an all-in chop then being given their half of the pot that WAS in the middle. In which case, that could very well be what we see Men doing in this video.
In that case, the mistake would be that the dealer just failed to pull the appropriate amount out of each stack to call Smittys bet for the main pot.
Just a thought because at first it didn't seem unusual to me to see Men taking down his last bet given that the side pot chopped. Also, it seems like other people at the table would be screaming like crazy if he were straight up pulling the chips out of the pot when he wasn't supposed to. Even if the dealer somehow missed that, I doubt the whole table would have.
@@fuhkerz you are supposed bring all bets in. I am not going to lie, I have definitely left big stacks in front of the players, but it would still be my responsibility to make sure that players do not touch anything until the pot is settled.
On the player side it is still the responsibility of the player to protect his interest at all times. The winning player should have been paying attention instead of celebrating.
@@fuhkerz Yes this is exactly what happened. Basically a witch hunt on this guy because of his history. He assumed like most players would that the side pot had already been separated, the other AK in the pot started to pull their chips in so he did too.
The WSOP should be ashamed of itself for the bush league way it handled this incident. No way this poker player should still be allowed to be playing in the WSOP.
Another aspect is they should never have the bad dealers deal this deep in an event. Like for all 10ks and the other day 2s and 3s have the better dealers deal.
Seems pretty obvious that they should only have experienced dealers when it gets close to and at the ft , common sense isn't so common nowadays though
@@tylerberg4360especially the higher buyins, players deserve that
It's harder than you think. The bigger or more important tournaments are harder to deal, so are you punishing the competent dealers? Or if the competent dealers are making more money, that's hard to balance, too.
I don't even disagree; they should have good dealers for the most important spots. I'm just saying it's not simple.
Team degen!!! Whaddup!!
Kick that cheater out of all tournaments
No, there's something else that should be done in cheaters, that was specifically mentioned as what was the norm by THIS CHANNEL during the wild west days. We need to go back to that.
@@MewtwoStruckBack You don't hang a tinhorn, you run him out of town.
@@penknight8532 Why spare their life though? Exile and death both remove the cheater, but the chance of starting over in a new town might still let the cheater think their conduct has an out if they get caught.
don't be jealous he was smarter than the table
Yes. Kick him out of wsop
If he knows the floor isn't going to do anything about it, why not just try this all the time. Sounds like a Nguyen Nguyen situation
ISWYDT
😂
I see what you did there
Why not because if you do it, you’re a piece of shit evidently he doesn’t mind
Men "The Angle" Nguyen. I remember playing High Limit poker way back in the late 1990's. - 1998. I saw Men discreetly take a few chips off a player stack (player who left the table to take breaks) , especially when he had to pay the waitress or server there tips. Off to the side, I alerted the poker room manager and he said Men knew the player and he was ordering him something for him too. Ok...Thats what I get trying to be the table police. A few hands later Men moved or cashed out. When Men left the table he glared at me and said something in Vietnamese. Later 3 different Asian / Vietnamese dudes kept following me. So there you go.....
You can't just use the word 'there' wherever you want. Sometimes, it's the right word. Sometimes, their is called for, or even they're.
@@blake_lively_matters6553 , Well....thank you for the reminder. I will remember that in my next write ups. Have a great Day !!!!
@@LEFTaTIPthanks for that story
@@mattydips2887 , Yw. Did you play at any of the LA Casinos.....??
@@blake_lively_matters6553 At least they got it right the second time around “So there you go…..”
Men's body language says it all. He knew what he was doing.
He's been dirty and sleazy for decades. Why he is still around around a poker table I don't know.
Are you real familiar with Men's bodies? Are you good at reading them? Could you read Men's bodies in the dark? Maybe you've said something like "You really know what you're doing" while reading Men's bodies?
@meepk633 I guess I need to watch the video again...I don't recall any of the criteria that you just described for your fantasy evening being applicable here. Also, none of those being satisfied would detract from how obviously guilty Men is. Grow up, skippy.
Morons, the dealer botched. And that dude brings heat. Bunch of cry babies. All hearsay.
🎉🎉🎉p😅
I was approached by Men's minions back in 2004 to be part of his stable. I was told explicitly to play normal, but if I'm at a table with Men, to never raise him and to make sure I fold to any of his bets.
I never saw it, but did hear about other horses chip dumping to him, too.
I declined the "honor" and actually busted Men from a tournament at Hollywood Park the next week lol
Thats awesome, love when cheaters lose
If true, that's awesome!
What was supposed to be in it for you?
I heard that too, from some Vietnamese players.
Stable collusion is rife
Wsop event and there isn’t a good camera over the table to see where the chips went 🤨🤨🤨
when it's not their money on the line, they don't seem to care as much.
Casino don't care. It's not blackjack or paigow
Plus they already get their rake revenue through entry fees so even less incentive to care and also with the number of poker tables and event rooms to handle them, it’s not entirely feasible. However, any tournament that gets to the money especially when it’s a smaller field should be under better scrutiny.
They're SECURITY cameras, not poker cameras.
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 exactly my point, SECURITY cameras. Shouldn’t SECURITY cameras be able to see the chips being taken? Otherwise, why are they there? It’s only to protect themselves, not the players.
WSOP shows once again they have no idea what to do as soon as an inch of trouble comes along in their tournament.
Guarantee it's Men's fault. But there wouldn't have even been an issue if the dealer would have made the main pot correct before putting out the river
Exactly this. I was really wondering the whole time why this wasn't mentioned. I know that Men has been known to shoot angles in the past, but he is really old and it's entirely possible that he didn't even realize what he was doing here. He tied for the side pot and would in fact just take his chips back and he could have easily assumed that the dealer already made the main pot right before he did this. That being said, he should have just given the chips up when it was pointed out that they were missing. He definitely is at fault at that point.
No need. It is standard to wait till it’s over. If the ace kings won, it would be different.
@southerncharity7928 it's not standard. I've been a dealer for 15 years. You're always supposed to make the main pot correct, then figure the sidepot after if it's 3-way
@@tito4272 is that you, men? Lol
@@prophecy208 Because quick cheap videos are easier than actually thinking and doing some research.
As a Vietnamese American poker player, we do not claim him, Men "the cheater"
No Vietnamese poker players respect him!
He's fucking mean!
Bro, you should check your username before posting that...
@kanelives2895 "check your privilege bro"
@@davidmendez8185 Checked it, still 6 inches.
It's about the standard of society.
Let talk about the corruption of government officials.
For some countries, any amount of corrections is considered bad.
But there are many countries that small amount of corruption by government officials is OK. It's normal.
For some ethnic background, I always use the term... the default is xxx until proven otherwise.
You're assuming any of these people that are responsible for the security of the game, are good at their jobs. This alone proves they indeed are NOT.
Had same experience at casino. Dealer cheated me out some chips. Casino said they looked at the cameras n found nothing. 100% incompetent or lied cuz i knew exactly how many chips i had n i was missing some
There are a lot of good floormen who have a hard time dealing with emotional assholes, degens, drunks, etc... But a lot of them just want to take a bribe to move your name up the list and do as little as humanly possible to not get fired.
Hanlon's Razor
A lot of it depends on who the players are. This happened in a cash game my friend was playing last year. When two players with explosive tempers got into an argument. When one of them started moaning about bad beats despite the fact he was winning a lot and put a couple of nasty coolers on other players at the table. Understandably one of the players who plays a ton of roulette didn't take kindly to it given he was done a lot during the night, which escalated into a war of words, then chairs getting thrown and finally the game getting broken up. The casino then decided to ban the player who complaining about bad beats for a year, and took no action against the other player, because he was too valuable a customer for them.
Gamblers are all crooks, nothing to see here😅
How can they possibly say just keep going when everyone knew he was short the right amount?! That’s absolutely insane
How do they know what he started with,?
@@mrhumble2937That would have been the first bit of information they had when he went all-in.
From there, it's pretty easy to figure out. There were 2.5m in from blinds and antes, then Smitty got called by 2 players on a 4.525m bet. So if, at the start of the next hand, Smitty had less than 16.075m, something is wrong.
Given that the amount missing is basically equal to the amount of Smittys original stack, it seems likely that the dealer simply forgot to take that amount from one of the other two players all-in bets to settle up the main pot. So while I definitely would BET that Men did this, and did it intentionally, it's also possible that it was the other bigger stack or that Men didn't even notice that the dealer failed to take out the portion for the main pot.
@@fuhkerz I hate to say it, because I'd like nothing more for there to be - at last - hard evidence of Men cheating. But there is definitely a chance Smith had his starting stack wrong. All of this is largely predicated on what Smith says was his starting stack, then what he had when the next hand began.
But again, I want to be wrong about this. I want there to be good camera footage of Men visibly pulling his chips back before the dealer and floor sorted the pots (which we DO have) plus footage of that amount affecting the various pot sizes (which we don't have, at least not from that one Tweet). We've been hearing about Men's cheating forever now, but there has never been anything more than accusations and allegations. I want to use my "one time" on finding irrefutable evidence of Men pulling a fast one on this dealer.
@fuhkerz how would they know what he had before hand? Do they keep track of that stuff after every hand?
@@mrhumble2937 there was an a count for the all in amount of course
Love the content and humor mixed in with the news, good coverage Doug
This is what's confusing me, I used to be a croupier /dealer. One time a very good customer (friendly, funny, female) slapped my hand as a joke while I was dealing blackjack and she lost and I reached to pick up her bet. In my house that's fine. In the casino premises there are laws. One of them is never touch the dealer. (several reasons why not to from against cheating rulers to money laundering and safety). She was kicked out on the spot. Nobody was happy for doing so.
Men shouldn't be allowed in the perimeter.
I'm afraid to say but, if you're cheating for years and years in Vegas and still be able to walk in casinos, well, you might have friends in high places.
In every aspect it's the casinos fault. 1. He shouldn't be allowed to play in first place. 2. Where is the pit boss when men pulls his stack back? 3. Why there is no pause-camera check-paying the player the correct amount? This is casino security. It's on the licence that you have to provide a safe environment for gaming.
Men was heard saying more rake was better as he pulled the chips back in.
Booooooooooo
GG
What's nuts is the dealer asks the floor to come "help count" the chips in the full video
Poker will remain a game of degenerates and shady characters because the casinos ensure it remains this way. The game could be bigger and less controversial if the casinos ran the show strictly by the rules.
Shut up
well said!
With around 20 players left at a WPT main even I came back to my chips the next day to find out 1/3rd of my chips had been taken out of the bag in-between days. They didn't check the cameras and nothing happened because the game was about to start. I ended up bubbling the final table. It was life changing money for me. They need to up security cos thes events attract the worst type of people
How does that even happen?
There aren't multiple records of every stack to cross reference any time there's a postponement?
I guess the trouble is that if chips disappear, they don't necessarily have to reappear (in another stack)
I would have my own total recorded and probably a photo of the stack as well
@@JustinHampton-l5j They count the number of chips with you, then record it and put them away. Thats how I knew there were less. However I turned up to the game late and everyone already had the chips out so there was no recounting everyones chips
The dirty little secret nobody in tournament management wants you to know ...
They hold those large tournaments in conference rooms and halls where gaming normally doesn't take place (even the WSOP). There aren't nearly as many cameras in those rooms as there are on the gaming floor or in the poker room, and the resolution on those cameras isn't nearly as high.
Also, the people in surveillance often aren't knowledgeable about poker, and the camera room only allows upper-level tournament management in to review footage.
In a shockingly large number of situations, the floor says they're going to consult surveillance, go speak to the most senior floorperson on duty and arrive at a decision without reviewing any footage.
That's why so many decisions don't seem to make any sense.
I still can't believe that Feldman let the joke bet slide. Players feelings aside, you have to protect the integrity of the game.
@@EricPetersen2922 he caved like a child and adelstein pretty much had to stand up for him.
It was bullshit for the floor to make it Ryan’s decision.
The floor is the one who needed to grow some balls and make an absolute ruling. Which he did not. He put it all on Ryan.
It was bullshit for the floor to make it Ryan’s decision.
The floor is the one who needed to grow some balls and make an absolute ruling. Which he did not. He put it all on Ryan.
Yup no balls feldmen. Floor manager also had no balls
This is a big conspiracy. It's called ELECTION INTERFERENCE. You don't want Armenian Mike to be Mayor because you know he would drain the swamp.
not 100% sure of year but pretty sure it was 2014. I played in a Foxwoods tournament where you started with 30k in chips. Everyone had 1 gray 10k chip. After about 50 minutes of play no one had busted from the table but someone noticed one of the Asian players had 2 gray chips. 9 players on the table and 10 gray chips. I was told the player with the extra chip was one of Men's "posse". Player protested innocence and all that happened was floor took away the extra chip.
Brilliant reporting Doug....way to get to the bottom of this stuff!....
Casino's don't care because they don't lose anything. If it was their money he was cheating for, they'd break his fucking face.
Exactly!
*Then they would feed him to the lions.*
Had the same thing happen to me at WSOP this year. Went all in on a big pot and we chopped. As we pulled back I noticed the player grab extra chips that I put in. Once I counted my stack I lost 20% of my chips on a chop pot which I should have gained from antes. The guy argued with me at first then the whole table stood up for me and recalled the action and the guy finally gave back the chips. Be careful out there and alert!
HiHi, Doug. Great to have you in front of the cameras again.....keep'em comin'......
This is why I quit playing poker. It's not the cheaters, it the institutions that are supposed to protect the integrity of the game. They continue to fail at safe and fair play, yet they continue to rake in huge profits for doing so.
You quit because your a losing player 🐠🐡
@@johnwhittle5730 good one 👍
Least bro doesn't have to pirate switch games brokie
I take long breaks from the game when I consider how much casino and dealer ineptitude could cost me. It's like you're always the bad guy and when you need someone to defend you against unfair situations, nobody ever comes to rescue you. I am with you
They stopped another tournament to see the end of an NBA playoffs game. Probably making sure that players placed bet with the appropriate sports book. But they couldn't stop the tournament to take care of this to the max extent possible. Unreal
How is nobody putting any blame on the dealer?
Because they have a "hard job".
Plenty of people were (and are).
@@6thwilbury2331 Ah. Okay. I’ve only seen this video, Negreanu’s video, and read the Scott Seiver thread. Hadn’t seen anybody mention the dealer
@@wreagfe Why aren't you paying attention to your hand, chips, etc as a player? You just walk in and put a blindfold on and expect everyone to cater to you like an infant?
Dealers do have a hard job. Dealing is easy. Dealing with people like you is what makes it hard.
100% on the dealer
Nguyen has always reminded me of that guy hosting the Russian Roulette game in The Deer Hunter. Absolutely vile.
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Mr Polk congrats on the new card club opening in September in Texas . I was wondering about job opportunities . I live in CA and will relocate .
Is that what the shirt is about? Is it in San Antonio?
Dealers at the WSOP are the worse, they get ZERO training and are expected to know how to deal 🤣🤣 WSOP should train them for at least 1 day, it would help a lot. Or put them through an easy online training prep
@@phitruong-xt1pz Lol most dealers make well over 100k and "without trying"? Possibly one of the most inaccurate statements I've ever heard. 😆 Wrong on both counts.
@@Stockcels you must not know very many dealers or on the defensive. An average dealers dealt a minimum of 20 hands every 30 minutes. Some houses with the shuffler they can pump out like 25 average. Tips 2-3 per hand average do the math. And you don’t think they should get any kind of training. From what I know and experienced of course
@@phitruong-xt1pz I used to deal up until recently and we absolutely weren't averaging 2-3 bucks per hand. Maybe it's different where you are but we were probably averaging a dollar per hand in any given shift. Plus a good amount of time we would deal PLO so definitely not 20 hands every 30 minutes on those tables. On top of that, dealers usually get a lot of breaks so even if you're working 8 hours, 2 or more of those hours are breaks.
@@phitruong-xt1pz A dealer that deals you 20 hands in 30min knows what they are doing, we’re not talking about them, I hope you’re not cuz if you are you’re wrong AND a douchebag 😂
played in this event and couldn't believe the dealers they had . they were basically having to be told what to do by the entire table. also a guy died on one of the flights they didn't even pause the clock it was pretty insane.
Why aren't people bashing WSOP as currect like they do HCL as shady? Way more issues.
You know it’s really bad when “breaking news” knocks off the headphones.
Thanks for MENtioning it! 😂
This goes deep 😬
Just wanted to give you props for protecting your dealers, and dealers in general.
They need to be right 100% of the time, or at least be ready to admit when they counted wrong. Its a hard job when you have a bunch of people watching you count, and they always want you to count faster.
Thanks for recognizing that abusing a dealer is absurd.
My experience with floormen is that they're not interested in barring cheaters. They just want to keep the cards in play.
He must be cutting people in. How could the staff not see him stealing 4.5 million in chips?
Awesome editing!
This happens too much and people get too excited and don’t get their money right. It’s on you to not get cheated.
Why do poker players tweet like they haven’t completed middle school?
because they haven't lol.
ty for ur coverage doug
We really can’t be surprised that Men was involved. Now let’s be clear, the fault lies with the dealer. The dealer did not maintain the pot or control the action appropriately. The dealer never brought all the money into the middle matching the small stack as they are taught to do. Men, being the enterprising player that he is, pulled his stack back because he noticed the dealer never pulled in the money. Another player and we can chalk it up to possibly being an honest mistake in all the excitement because people were distracted by a bust out. But with Men, there is absolutely no doubt he did this knowing exactly what he was doing. The man is scum.
Wow Doug. Catching that headset was SMOOTH!
I had no idea Men Nguyen was not lifetime banned from the WSOP!
Why are we not talking about that headphone catch in the beginning. Absolute masterclass of nonchalance.
Where WAS the DEALER !? Wasn’t the dealer the judge and referee ? An incompetent dealer ! Investigate and put Men in jail ! Stealing chips is equivalent to stealing money.
Technically not Money to the casino. iTS NOT mONEY TILL YOU CASH.
Great video! Thank you for the content.
From a business management perspective, those $2m in 'consolation' chips strongly suggest to me that there wasn't adequate camera coverage of the table, but organisers didn't want to admit it. Simply put... if they had coverage of the table including the dealer, organisers could have reconstructed the movement of chips & confronted Men with the evidence to get him to cough up. The fact that they "reviewed the cameras" twice and _still_ pressed Foutty to put money in rather than demanding the chips from Men, tells me they had _no idea_ what happened at that table & when they got caught lacking by Smith rightly demanding a proper resolution, they scrambled for a solution that would be acceptable and stop further inquiry. I bet that footage of Nguyen that surfaced on Twitter had them sweating... Men's not even subtle about it. Not a good look for WSOP.
I don't understand what Foutty did. Why did he give away the chips he did not owe? Is he just a doormat? Also, it seems like other players not involved in the hand said that Men owed the chips, but the floor did something bizarre instead? Is the floor a moron?
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Men said you can have the moral victory, I'll take the monetary one 😂
There are games I won't play anymore and I know of others (including some very generous fish) who stopped playing at one venue because cheating was tolerated.
Ban this guy.
Most FLOORS logic 1+1=4.5 😮
😂😂😂😂
Good catch Doug
#smooth
I watched him get kicked out of a Tropicana AC tourney for having extra chips. This was mid 2000s
He shouldn’t be allowed to play in Casinos
Clearly the brand new dealer didn’t square the pots before the all-in runout. Once the board was dealt, she either asked the players to take back the chopped side pot (which was never squared) or more likely,
Men chose to revolve his own bet knowing the extra 4 million was still in his side pot stack which actually belonged in the main pot. Either way, Men knew exactly what he was doing. He’s been at this game far too long to feign ignorance.
Next time keep your seat and watch whats going on at the table
Also, what was the dealer doing during this time ?
@@howard5992day dreaming it happens dealers r human.
He learned the hard way 🎉
@@howard5992 It was the dealers fault but could be a new dealer with their 1st dealing job. Sit in your seat count your chips and play poker.
Victim blaming is fucking stupid, and so are you.
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I dealt this Men the Master a month ago. His attitude is unbearable. Dude keep on cursing because of miss draws or losing.
Tournament director should be fired, there is clear evidence of what happened. Why not resolve it? These casinos have the best cameras. What are we missing here? Like wut??
Lmaoooooo the "this just in Men has been BANNED from lodge poker room" was hilarious
Dealers are supposed to count the chips from every player in the hand after each round of betting all ins included yeah?
What?
The dealer should have first pulled in the $4.5 all in from the other 2 players for the main pot. Then determine which of those 2 had the least left and pull that amount into the side pot from the 2 remaining, motion for the balance to go back to the rightful owner and THEN finish dealing. Men is a known cheat and angle shooter, but if the dealer does the job correctly, it doesn't become a factor.
Amateur dealers smh
I've seen a lot of single pot all ins where they just count what's effective, then divy it up after they know who won. Players probably prefer this so they spend half the time counting chips. The dealer definitely should've set the main pot before doing anything else. My guess is that with 20k entrees they probably hired and trained a bunch of dealers who had no experience.
If that happened on the casino floor they would take care of the problem.
The question is WHY DO THEY ALLOW IT AT THE WSOP?????
Indeed, the real crime is jamming J5s UTG this deep into such a large tournament 😮💨
Meh, I understand it... 4.5x starting stack, plus the presence of the BBA affects both his fold equity now and the stack size he'll have on the next deal (2.5x). Mathematically, I think the bottom of the suited jack shoving range for that spot (4.5x, UTG, BBA) is more like J7s or J8s. J5s is obviously below that threshold, but it's not egregiously bad. If the table is playing tighter than it should - e.g. because everyone is getting reseated in a few minutes - maybe it widens the shoving range a click or two. Plus, Harrington wrote about that whole "first-in vig" eons ago. This might have also played into Smitty's decision, too.
Why? J5 is better than J4, AMIRITE?-Robbi Jade
Maybe he really likes jackson five and has memorabilia and shit
Wsop stupid all they have to do is count the his chip if he has 4.5 m more chips or not
To me, Men pulling the chips back isn't necessarily evidence of wrongdoing in itself. He had the largest stack of the three. When I first saw this, I sort of figured that's what had happened: the awarded the main pot, then split the side pot, which is what we see Men doing. As much as I don't like giving Men The Master the benefit of the doubt, I also like to spot any reasonable doubt that could get him off the hook.
However, when watching the video later with the audio on, you can clearly hear someone call the floor over to help the dealer count out the two pots (main and side) AFTER the moment Men is seen pulling chips back in. That strikes me as shady no matter how you slice it. Shouldn't Men be leaving that alone to let the staff count??
The weird part is that this should never have affected Smith. Any dealers, please correct me, but it seems she (and the floor) should have first counted out Smith's stack, then pulled those same amounts from each of Foutty and Nguyen. Throw in the SB, BB and BB ante, then Smith has his 15 BB stack as it should be. If anything, it should have screwed up Poutty: when divvying up the split side pot, Men had already pulled some of his chips back, meaning the dealer splits a smaller amount than it should have.
Regardless, I was absolutely hoping that there was camera footage FINALLY showing Men's cheating at the table. We've heard rumors and allegations for years now, but that's all they have been. Pretty disappointed nothing more came from this.
Maybe pulling back chips can be seen as a bad look for Men now that there's this controversy. But he can pull chips back all he wants, he can pull some back and leave some out, what happens next I speculate is the dealer not really counting the pot and just pull the chips left out by Men. Stupid dealers, pretending to count. So sad, but players gotta do everything themselves in their own head and see if they agree with the pot size and watch out for any slack or cheating.
These were my thoughts. There should have been a pot made with Brian's chips matched by the other 2 players with the blinds and antes included before any flop is done. There shouldn't have been any of Brian's potential chips in front of Men. If the side pot was not figured out before the flop, the dealer just has to grab the right amount of chips from the 2 players to match Brian's chips. I have no idea how this situation got to the point it did.
If you are a serial cheater, you never deserve the "benefit of the doubt".
The pun on your poker club with "men" was gold! I busted a gut laughing
forgot his children. LMAO great video!
must be grandchildren, TBH
I mean they all look the same...
If Men had any of his "family" around when you went outside you'd be fighting all of them, not him.
I'm a baby poker dealer, thank you for defending your dealers Doug it's silly how this job is actually difficult but it really is
Are you really going to search someone's personal items because they were cooking fish? It's not like they were caught doing lines of coke with scales and baggies everywhere
It's a weird comment on her part. No context.
Who entered the room ? Hotel staff ? Poker officials ?
When did they enter ?
When were the chips supposedly seen ?
@howard5992 exactly... there is absolutely no reason they would be looking for tournament chips in the room because they were having an unauthorized fish fry
The master of UA-cam poker is back and I’m happy!
Cooking fish? Oh you mean literally?😁
Lmao
I played with Nguyen for 5 hours on day 2 of the colossus this year. When big chips were 500k and he already had a stack of 100k chips, he randomly asked the player to my right to chip down the only three 500k chips. Then proceeded to claim he gave them 5 chips and the player owes him 2 more 500k chips.
I played a few days of 20/40 mix mostly short handed with Men last year.
Over less than a week he tried to take back bets he owed dozens of times. And he tried to pull 100s of angles. He was heavily drinking too, but I have no doubt thay this isn't just accidental behavior.
He also played terribly lol
I’m here for the comedy, and this was gold!
Fish and no Chips
This is clever Barto
In regards to the story about the tournament chips I completely trust Kathy's statement. She is a stand up woman who ran the room with the utmost resepct and integrity. Many of us were upset upon hearing that she was taking a job in Vegas. Kathy if you ever see this I hope life is treating you well.
As far as Men goes...like others I've heard many things for years, particularly around the LA scene.
Maybe Smitty should have stayed at the table and watched the pot instead of running around like a bozo.
Emotion good for the game
Doug, this just isn`t right. The dealer protects the pots. Dealers are discouraged to add up the pot until action ends. They verify each incoming call matches the bet made until there is an all in, Then if players ask for a count of that bet they can get it. They can call by simply tossing in a chip and saying call. After the hand is over it doesn`t matter what the master did with his chips. The dealer counts up the all in and makes sure it is collected by each player that called. And that any additional betting after the all in is handled correctly. With all of that in mind. How can this happen? Did the dealer make a 4.5 million mistake? Why is it Men Nguyens fault. And how is a dealer error get him accused of cheating?
Once a VC always a VC
Ever since Doug became a dad the dad jokes been on point. Wonder if the next Upswing poker class is on this.
If he does he should hire me for masterclass. 5 kids , ages 19,16,14,4,3. My tag line would be
“I’ve experienced all the bad beats, so you don’t have too”
But for real I could probably make amazing course.
Stole first!!
You Nguyen 🎉
The dealer should be fired for not controlling the action on the table.
MEN, THE CHEATER, should be banned worldwide!
How do u know he is cheater? Did you see he cheat?
@@JackNguyen1976 In this day and age, your comment is an absolutely stupid comment!
Etiquette question, i am serious. I play low stakes cash, sometimes tournaments, sometimes in Vegas, mostly home games. When i have lots of chips, i do stacks of 10, and then the second and third level of stacks of 10 is offset like in a brick wall. Noone ever complained or mentioned it. Is stacks of 20 actually a thing and everyone lets it slide because the visibility is good, or is everyone letting it slide because its low stakes and low stakes is less serious? Somehow i just think in 10 stacks and having my 10 stack walls helps me keep track not only of my own but also the opponents chip count. Would this cause issues at higher stakes or higher profile events or is this fine?
20 is standard but the reason nobody had complained about offsets every 10 is that it's still clear what you have. If you were stacking 9 or 11 or 18, 19, 21,or 22 it would be considered deceptive or at least difficult to judge.
@@EfficientRVer Oh ok so it should be fine everywhere. Thanks. Yes i guess its not difficult to see them as awkwardly tilted or offset stacks of 20. I also set them up this way, keeping the pattern of denominations/colors going two 10-stacks deep.
@@kurtilein3 I don't really care how people keep their chips. It just feels like a lot of the players who keep chips in stacks of 10 or some similar smaller number always play around and waste time betting or calling. Its like dude you have stacks of 5. You don't need to count every chip. Then put 2 stacks of 5 together and count it again, then do same at 20 chips. Then do same with next stack rather than push a couple next to each other and cut them evenly once one is counted. Wasting everyone's time. Players like that are tilting, I will literally get a table change.
16:29 I mean he is Asian so probably knows some Kung fu... 😃
Love the " Brrrrrreaking news" headphones 🎧 pop off and the smile... That's a great opening!!! Keep it up GOAT
Maybe stop excessive celebrating and watching your chips
100%, gotta protect yourself first, pay attention
How is watching your chips going to help? Men didn’t take chips out of his stack; he just pulled back his entire 25 million before the dealer had a chance to pull 4.5 mil out. If this is on anyone (other than Men) it’s on the dealer for not pulling all the bets into the side pot.
Yeah but you don’t get likes 😂
Stop watching your chips?
We have to watch the dealers to make sure they do their jobs? 🤡🤡🤡 take.
It's crazy to me that the WSOP still can't get these tournaments right
They should sack the stupid dealer
They are already short dealers because they refuse to give them better pay or hours, so shitty dealers are all you gonna get.
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Good job on the intro Thomas. Never waste a good clip. Nice catch Doug.
The clip of the guy jamming into Ryan Feldman then saying “you know I joke” always brings me to tears😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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