actually i don't think it was a sneer. I would say it was a goofy smile instead to show his embarrassment while he couldn't grasp what the coach has taught. ZJK is arrogant for sure, but by no means at expense of his career while the official has the authority to control everything. His display of arrogance against coach might make him lose everything he has.
This is crazy! Three Coaches standing in front of Zhang Jike, giving him advices, trying to improve his near to perfect technique at a single detailed movement (topspin on half long serve). With these manpower focusing on this little detail I see no chances for any other Country tryining to beat the chinese at the Olympics! ... Also wishing I got such kind of oportunities in the training :O
The old man in blue y-shirt is the former Chinese team coach. But what he taught ZJK contradicted with what Liu had taught. He had very little idea what current technique is like....
To me the whole point of this is making Jike use more often his forehand for receiving and do not relay too much on his awesome backhand. When you try to receive with your backhand at the right side of the table, you end up misplaced at the table exposing the left side of your table. Since he is not used to receive that much with the forehand, couches are going back to basics, refreshing him the proper way to get ready for either short and long services. This is why Ma Long is more rounded than Jike, just because he sticks to the basics making his game more comfortable and relax. Just saying!!
+klaupe not to support the other friend, but I don't wanna say it applies to every Asians but if u have been in the Asian countries like nepal, china, etc , u will find big differences in their smiles for many reasons. but they usually don't laugh at others. Specially national players are very humble.
@John Pham wait you don’t know why he left. Because he lost to harimoto due to so many injuries he had imagine backhand flicking 10000 everyday and doing all those training
I am not up to such a high level of Ping Pong. I just try to figure out some general principle of action failure. To pull (half top spin, half impact,) a down spin ball, the following must all be right: For the coming ball, judge correctly its height, amount of down spin and incoming speed. Then pull the ball according to those characteristics, by adjusting the angle of the racket to the table, the lift up direction and speed. Theoretically , the player can send the ball back, to almost any position of the further half of the table. Of course it is not easy. It needs a lot of practice. One simple principle to remember is that: If the ball miss the table, then adjust your hitting accordingly in the next ball so that it hit. In the example shown in the video, Jike pulled the ball a few time and the ball always landed too far and missing the table, then there are 2 ways to make it hit: 1. Hit the ball with much less force, then it will land but will be a barbecue ball to your opponent! 2. Adjust the angle of the racket a bit more parallel to the table top, so that it land shorter. Try triming all three parameters: Angle of racket, angle of swing and hitting force so that the ball is fast, and landed correctly. Fix the experimental good posture and then drill ten thousand time. Then the technique is yours. I am too much a beginner to do that. Jike will take it easy!
this are mostly half long services (but sometimes short and sometimes long too), the question is, should you everytime think the service goes long and then when it is short push short or should you think the service goes short and when it goes slightly long attack it. i think they train to anticipate the length of the half long service. but i think when you want to loop everything you loose time to step foreward to push the short service short and low, this means think the service goes short and when not attack as hard you can :)
pro's 99.99 % of the time are ready for a bast ball , serve included. thats why you dont see so many long fast serves in top competition . you always anticipate a fast serve, if its short its slow so you have time to adjust and recover of course there is always guessing. ZJK will probably face koki niwa or chen chien an so they are preparing him for this occasion thats why they use shang kun a lefthander for his training mate. Since they have tricky half long serve exploiting the wide angles that a lefthander creates im guessing you are guessing correctly ! :P
It does not matter the whole point is to practice and simulate game against a lefthander and practice the tactics involved. in another video XX gave advice to ZJK on what to expect from chen chien an and koki niwa. Shang kun may not be a top dog in CNT but has great service to do the job for ZJK. CNT are paying attention to every little detail , sick stuff
+George D. Thats right they are Very professional, but they cant plan every Thing, Tactics etc are good but the Player must be fit, when zhang is not fit or stable to dictate with the backhand Ovtcharov could dictate him with his backhand,...
Gabriel Blub well TT tactics are pretty simple, the chinese against ovtcharov force him to go inside the short FH where his receive is bad and then either attack or stay short untill an opportunity appears or even varying with long pushes to force him away from the table and then block or countertopspin. dima can counter even a fit ZJK in a BH vs BH rally, but if you check dima vs the chinese, the try not to let dima attack and they win the match most likely. you are right though dima has good chances to beat even a healthy and fit ZJK, but he is not so stable when the game doesnt go as he plans
Well, the hole situation was really relaxed, so that ZJK could afford it laugh and smile around, and three!!! couches were there just to flex:) nice video
In my opinion, the blade Viscaria which Zjk use where paired with Tenergy or any other offensive heavy rubber is very fast and powerful so for at the table looping it is kinda hard to control, the ball can often goes long over the table. I used to use the same Blade with two tenergy rubber forehand and backhand and I feel yes sometimes it is fast but not so good to loop at the table but it is very good away fom the table loop. Now I play with much all round / offensive - blade which is much slower than Viscaria using much lighter rubber with good control, and I found out that looping at the table or away from the table is more easier, only the downside is it is not so fast and powerful, but what I need is more controllable play and accurate shots (y)
What are liu guliyong and the guy in blue shirt trying to tell ZJK? Could anyone lip read their conversation? anyone who understands Chinese? What are their suggestions actually? I believe they are trying to tell him that generate speed and spin from wrist and elbow instead of full swing of hand from shoulder. It would take less time so opponent would get less time and also you can contact ball much earlier than full hand swing shot. Is it correct?
If they don't let ZJK play, when somebody else (Ma Long or Xu Xin maybe) gets the gold people would be all like: "Well, that's because the former champion ZJK didn't have a chance to play." and the gold medal would be less persuasive. - just my thoughts
Hưng Nguyễn Former champion doesn't mean everything, we have all seen Jike's bad condition over this two years. I even thought ZJK got the gold medal because of Ma Long's absence.
same thing appllies to ma long. ma long also won the wttc because zjk was not there. so its not a valid statement eitherways. a winner is a winner and XX does not even have a wttc final in 3 attempts (in fact he only has a bronze medal). only won a world cup struggling against samsonov and ovtcharov. So in terms of delivering results ma long and zhang jike are still the best, pro tours dont matter for china
Is ma long the single a and zhang jike is the single b?how about xu xin and fan zhendong the doubles?Is this there position for the olympic games and represent china?
I know no chinese but seems they are trying to get Ji Ke to use his forehand on half long serves rather than rely on BH flip. Maybe too late for big O, I dunno, but this is a weakness in his game to be certain!
very rare video to see Cai Zhenghua teach zhang Jike...he should stay at table tennis department..instead of to be Chiarman of Soccer Association, that's destroyed his reputation....
Reinaldo Pessoa former world champion, former head coach of Chinese table tennis team, current president of Chinese Badminton, Table tennis, and Football association
Chinese are having perfect condition for being good in TT. First they have good body portion. Not too tall or too short. Just like Usain Bolt. Furthermore it's their ability to concentrate much better than Europeans. As you can see genetic is important in TT like in sprinting
i dunno what, but something is not right there. I think are those people are really makeing the training a fail, even though they are trying to help. I definetly dont like the way people treat younger people at everything. The only i think i liked in video was ZJK and his sparring (impressive good).
Zhang is better than ma long...but he lost from him....compare are his foot work with ma long....but ma is the first Chinese player and the world.. Rio silver medalist is in front of me....l
His forehand is ranked top 3 in Chinese table-tennis. It doesn't look like he adds a lot of force, but it does. And he's known for the incredible spin so that the ball bounces very very quickly after landing the opponent's table.
Geoffrey Cheng That's the most difficult reserve-receive, being half long and half short. It is short enough to not allow you to create a full body motion, and long enough that forces you to hesitate what to do. These serves are the best in games. But when under pressure, athletes tend to make it too long and thus allow opponents to exploit. As a result, most serves are kept short.
+Vincent Theo I know that, but I think xu xin, fzd, and ma long all receive those much better. they train everyday none of the serve categories are supposed to give them trouble like they did zjk here
Geoffrey Cheng Agree. So I think this wasn't a typical day for ZJK. If you noticed, he got yelled by coaches after missing 2 attempts... Then he had to do whatever the coaches advised him to do, which were actually two different things... The first coach was LGL, and the second was the coach that coached LGL haha
The coach tried to show him how it's done and he's just standing there smiling.
ZJK is just so cocky I love him.
actually i don't think it was a sneer. I would say it was a goofy smile instead to show his embarrassment while he couldn't grasp what the coach has taught. ZJK is arrogant for sure, but by no means at expense of his career while the official has the authority to control everything. His display of arrogance against coach might make him lose everything he has.
Asians never laugh at somebody and they smile in different situations.
I'm asian.
And if you think all asians are like that, well...
You're probably right.
actually what I said is the situation in China, not necessarily applicable in all asian nations.
This is crazy! Three Coaches standing in front of Zhang Jike, giving him advices, trying to improve his near to perfect technique at a single detailed movement (topspin on half long serve). With these manpower focusing on this little detail I see no chances for any other Country tryining to beat the chinese at the Olympics! ... Also wishing I got such kind of oportunities in the training :O
The old man in blue y-shirt is the former Chinese team coach. But what he taught ZJK contradicted with what Liu had taught. He had very little idea what current technique is like....
ZJ is perfect but ma long is god and the GOAT
Ma long defeat the perfect zhang jike's physical structure
The expression on ZJK's face alone is priceless. Thanks for this upload. 😀
Zhang jike is fit for rio. gonna see him win! he's fast!
All Coaches are showing Zhang their technics which were all quite useful in professional level.
6:31 look at ZJK's face when Cai Zhenua arrives
Whoa look at who's coaching him near the end of the video. Very high chance ZJK will win in Rio
To me the whole point of this is making Jike use more often his forehand for receiving and do not relay too much on his awesome backhand. When you try to receive with your backhand at the right side of the table, you end up misplaced at the table exposing the left side of your table. Since he is not used to receive that much with the forehand, couches are going back to basics, refreshing him the proper way to get ready for either short and long services. This is why Ma Long is more rounded than Jike, just because he sticks to the basics making his game more comfortable and relax. Just saying!!
amazing! well I wonder if Ortcharov is watching this too:)
I love how Zhang Jike is just laughing when someone is explaining how to do it :D :D
Asians not only laugh because of something funny. They laugh when they are embarrassed too and they never laugh at somebody.
I love how you just commented around telling people how all asians are like...
No problem.
+klaupe not to support the other friend, but I don't wanna say it applies to every Asians but if u have been in the Asian countries like nepal, china, etc , u will find big differences in their smiles for many reasons. but they usually don't laugh at others. Specially national players are very humble.
@John Pham wait you don’t know why he left. Because he lost to harimoto due to so many injuries he had imagine backhand flicking 10000 everyday and doing all those training
Zhang Jike is the Kobe Bryant of table tennis! so awesome, so swag!
Oh pls, dont insult Zhang Jike!
@@apun94 it's a compliment, so chill!
5:30 Zhang jike mind voice : i guess Liu forgot who is he talking to
Liu: you should know who I am.
Who legend right now?
I am not up to such a high level of Ping Pong. I just try to figure out some general principle of action failure. To pull (half top spin, half impact,) a down spin ball, the following must all be right: For the coming ball, judge correctly its height, amount of down spin and incoming speed. Then pull the ball according to those characteristics, by adjusting the angle of the racket to the table, the lift up direction and speed. Theoretically , the player can send the ball back, to almost any position of the further half of the table.
Of course it is not easy. It needs a lot of practice. One simple principle to remember is that: If the ball miss the table, then adjust your hitting accordingly in the next ball so that it hit. In the example shown in the video, Jike pulled the ball a few time and the ball always landed too far and missing the table, then there are 2 ways to make it hit: 1. Hit the ball with much less force, then it will land but will be a barbecue ball to your opponent! 2. Adjust the angle of the racket a bit more parallel to the table top, so that it land shorter. Try triming all three parameters: Angle of racket, angle of swing and hitting force so that the ball is fast, and landed correctly. Fix the experimental good posture and then drill ten thousand time. Then the technique is yours. I am too much a beginner to do that. Jike will take it easy!
7 : 31 looks so easy wow:D really great how he still can play
3 coaches are XIAO Zhan (Shaved head), Liu Guolian (Black T), Cai Zhenhua (long pants)
this are mostly half long services (but sometimes short and sometimes long too), the question is, should you everytime think the service goes long and then when it is short push short or should you think the service goes short and when it goes slightly long attack it. i think they train to anticipate the length of the half long service. but i think when you want to loop everything you loose time to step foreward to push the short service short and low, this means think the service goes short and when not attack as hard you can :)
pro's 99.99 % of the time are ready for a bast ball , serve included. thats why you dont see so many long fast serves in top competition . you always anticipate a fast serve, if its short its slow so you have time to adjust and recover of course there is always guessing. ZJK will probably face koki niwa or chen chien an so they are preparing him for this occasion thats why they use shang kun a lefthander for his training mate.
Since they have tricky half long serve exploiting the wide angles that a lefthander creates im guessing you are guessing correctly ! :P
but shang kun seems not nearly strong enough for ZJK according to the first few minutes of the video
It does not matter the whole point is to practice and simulate game against a lefthander and practice the tactics involved. in another video XX gave advice to ZJK on what to expect from chen chien an and koki niwa. Shang kun may not be a top dog in CNT but has great service to do the job for ZJK. CNT are paying attention to every little detail , sick stuff
+George D. Thats right they are Very professional, but they cant plan every Thing, Tactics etc are good but the Player must be fit, when zhang is not fit or stable to dictate with the backhand Ovtcharov could dictate him with his backhand,...
Gabriel Blub well TT tactics are pretty simple, the chinese against ovtcharov force him to go inside the short FH where his receive is bad and then either attack or stay short untill an opportunity appears or even varying with long pushes to force him away from the table and then block or countertopspin. dima can counter even a fit ZJK in a BH vs BH rally, but if you check dima vs the chinese, the try not to let dima attack and they win the match most likely. you are right though dima has good chances to beat even a healthy and fit ZJK, but he is not so stable when the game doesnt go as he plans
Zhang Jike at 5:45: "Liu, You can't even loop his serve man...what are you doing?" LOL #overit #Imthechampbackoff
That's hilarious! Two trainers going to Zhang Jike and show him the perfect technique. That's why they are the best...
6:19 Zhang jike be like “ Yeah na, that didn’t go”
I want to meet this legend 😭
Well, the hole situation was really relaxed, so that ZJK could afford it laugh and smile around, and three!!! couches were there just to flex:) nice video
gotta love Liu Guoliang ! :D
A real súper star athlete does accept coaching !
In my opinion, the blade Viscaria which Zjk use where paired with Tenergy or any other offensive heavy rubber is very fast and powerful so for at the table looping it is kinda hard to control, the ball can often goes long over the table. I used to use the same Blade with two tenergy rubber forehand and backhand and I feel yes sometimes it is fast but not so good to loop at the table but it is very good away fom the table loop. Now I play with much all round / offensive - blade which is much slower than Viscaria using much lighter rubber with good control, and I found out that looping at the table or away from the table is more easier, only the downside is it is not so fast and powerful, but what I need is more controllable play and accurate shots (y)
he isnt using tenergy on both sides
Chinese players genetally use sensor rubbers on their forehand, noy the tensor ones. Jhang Zike uses Hurricane(blue sponge) on his forehand.
Wang Chuqin is in the background, did not know at the moment what a monster he would be now.
Jike is a talent, without any doubt
When Zhang Jike starts playing in Rio, I want to see Stefan Fegerl and Ma Long the prime victims of his retribution. Go get 'em, champ!
What are liu guliyong and the guy in blue shirt trying to tell ZJK? Could anyone lip read their conversation? anyone who understands Chinese? What are their suggestions actually? I believe they are trying to tell him that generate speed and spin from wrist and elbow instead of full swing of hand from shoulder. It would take less time so opponent would get less time and also you can contact ball much earlier than full hand swing shot. Is it correct?
蔡振华都出动了
"出洞了"
Jike instead of Xin for Olympics.
It's the best joke I have seen in a while in this sport !
If they don't let ZJK play, when somebody else (Ma Long or Xu Xin maybe) gets the gold people would be all like: "Well, that's because the former champion ZJK didn't have a chance to play." and the gold medal would be less persuasive. - just my thoughts
Hưng Nguyễn Former champion doesn't mean everything, we have all seen Jike's bad condition over this two years. I even thought ZJK got the gold medal because of Ma Long's absence.
same thing appllies to ma long. ma long also won the wttc because zjk was not there. so its not a valid statement eitherways. a winner is a winner and XX does not even have a wttc final in 3 attempts (in fact he only has a bronze medal). only won a world cup struggling against samsonov and ovtcharov. So in terms of delivering results ma long and zhang jike are still the best, pro tours dont matter for china
LOL, Xiao Zhan, Xiao Zhan's manager, Xiao Zhan's manager's manager
LOL Lui keep fail to loop the ball while coaching Zhang
I think he has a lot of time without touching a paddle and he's also a Pen - Holder.
When he was younger, he was a very good player.
He was not only a very good player.. He is one of the greatest table tennis players ever.
Liu was also demonstrating that some things will miss if you loop from too low
LGL completed his grandslam champion at the time when serves are illegal(at todays standard) and smaller balls.
@@erniejrvillanueva941 so did everyone else who played in that era. What's your point?
COME ON!!! ZHANG JIKEEE!!!
劉国梁のアドバイスに全然納得してなくて草
苦笑いしてる笑
ZJK getting schooled :P
Zhang jike is merely showing respect to the coach and keep mum lol
too many indian chief....ZJK was thinking....TMD 你们都打不赢我。。还要教我你们过时的拉球。。。。好啦。。。让你们爽一下。。
rguably the greatest peakever
Good video
Is ma long the single a and zhang jike is the single b?how about xu xin and fan zhendong the doubles?Is this there position for the olympic games and represent china?
the comedy appears between 5:00 and 7:00 minutes.
where is Zhang these days.. will he participate in 2020 Olympics.. I would love to see him win..
I'm Zhang jike's fan too ...but can't see him coming back now...he had a silent exit...he didn't deserve that!
GOAT
劉国梁のあのクセありまくりのハーフロング処理に納得するわけないよな笑
でもさすがそこは蔡振華元総監督。大ボスの金言には耳を傾けてた。
確かに、全然違う
Can anyone explain me what's the matter with ZJK forehand topspin?
張繼科，努力，加油！
WHY COACH IS UM... ZHANG JIKE HAS A TALENT
can you make the Machtes live on this Chanel
3:00 自分用
Who's that coach in blue towards the end of the video? Never seen him before
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cai_Zhenhua
omg ;-)
Cai Zhenhua
CaiZhenhua，the godfather of chinese table tennis.
评论真的太可笑了，过时的打法？总教练教他们是一天两天吗？过时的打法能教出他们这一个个冠军？保持对前辈的尊重！
他们都是一群不打球的沙雕
5:15 - liu guoliang trying 476 times to loop the ball over the net
6:15 - 476 tries later: See...
the champ
佘盛煬 26歲 香港乒乓球隊代表
can anyone tell me where to buy his shirt?
If the intention of Guoliang was to show how to do a slow spinny topspin he did not succeed very well. The first 5 attempts were a miss
この練習相手は張継科にノータッチで抜かれても香水のせいにしてそう
Ведь он уже и так Олимпийский чемпион и Чемпион мира - от куда такая мотивация???
8:53 what a stop😳😳
And he win olympic rio with gold medal
I know no chinese but seems they are trying to get Ji Ke to use his forehand on half long serves rather than rely on BH flip. Maybe too late for big O, I dunno, but this is a weakness in his game to be certain!
To be fair, LGL was using ZJK's racket and playing shakehand. LOL
very rare video to see Cai Zhenghua teach zhang Jike...he should stay at table tennis department..instead of to be Chiarman of Soccer Association, that's destroyed his reputation....
liu guoliang's coach
lol that's why Shang Kun's not included in the National team.
lol at zjk sucking at taking the ball early on his forehand flip
not really
I have feeling ZJK will loose at RIO.
I feel sorry for XX.
Did he win gold medal in London and Rio ?
Only london
衣服哪有卖的
继科打得真帅
Conclusão: 🥇
It´s like if Pep Guardiola called Messi to a corner and started to explain him how he should carry the ball while running.
It takes 3 coaches before ZJ gets it
Wich olympic?
Zhang is not even listening
。。。蔡振华还有刘国梁一起上 继科实在太幸福
陈培炎 但是总教头和总教头的总教头一起来，怎么也得掉层皮
Wang Yidi detected in the background
The guy in blue 6:58 what's his name again? He's a very good player back in the days right?
shogrran Cai zhenhua
l x x and li sun at right side. .Who Else saw them?
張継科は他の中国選手に比べてサーブが出た時に打ててないから、それの克服かな？言われた後と前だと球の走り具合が違う。
監督の処理の仕方が他の選手よりクセありまくりで、それで呆れながら張継科も聞いていますね。青い人に教えて貰ったやり方は上じゃなく前に振るなどと言われてそれをやってるので、教え方がしっくりくるかどうかですね
jike这失误率有点高啊，果然容易发挥不稳定
Cai Zhenhua!! Why do you leave ur football duty?
Damn, Cai still looks good
who is that?
Reinaldo Pessoa former world champion, former head coach of Chinese table tennis team, current president of Chinese Badminton, Table tennis, and Football association
Justin Zhang he look like someone important.
Ab 5:10 denkt Zhang Jike:"Erzähl mir keinen scheiß, ich kann das besser!" "You don´t need to tell me that shit. I can do it better,." ;)
Haha
ZJK is like idc haha
wtf??? why are those guys taeching him how to hit the ball? he already know that. he just need motivation and psychological coaching
even pros do fundamental things wrong
I think maybe if the rest of the worlds professional players were as critical of themselves as the Chinese, there wouldn't be such a gap.
Chinese are having perfect condition for being good in TT. First they have good body portion. Not too tall or too short. Just like Usain Bolt. Furthermore it's their ability to concentrate much better than Europeans. As you can see genetic is important in TT like in sprinting
They are just bossy because they are older.
レベチだな
i dunno what, but something is not right there. I think are those people are really makeing the training a fail, even though they are trying to help. I definetly dont like the way people treat younger people at everything. The only i think i liked in video was ZJK and his sparring (impressive good).
Zhang is better than ma long...but he lost from him....compare are his foot work with ma long....but ma is the first Chinese player and the world..
Rio silver medalist is in front of me....l
Два деда явно вышли порисоваться на камеру для истории)
On e'st très loin de l'INSEP quand même !
L insep à côté c est du centre aéré
:)
c'est quoi l'INSEP?
why does he look like his forehand mid-length receive is so weak? almost weak like an amateur.
His forehand is ranked top 3 in Chinese table-tennis. It doesn't look like he adds a lot of force, but it does. And he's known for the incredible spin so that the ball bounces very very quickly after landing the opponent's table.
+Vincent Theo I'm just talking about his forehand serve receive is weak
Geoffrey Cheng That's the most difficult reserve-receive, being half long and half short. It is short enough to not allow you to create a full body motion, and long enough that forces you to hesitate what to do. These serves are the best in games. But when under pressure, athletes tend to make it too long and thus allow opponents to exploit. As a result, most serves are kept short.
+Vincent Theo I know that, but I think xu xin, fzd, and ma long all receive those much better. they train everyday none of the serve categories are supposed to give them trouble like they did zjk here
Geoffrey Cheng Agree. So I think this wasn't a typical day for ZJK. If you noticed, he got yelled by coaches after missing 2 attempts... Then he had to do whatever the coaches advised him to do, which were actually two different things... The first coach was LGL, and the second was the coach that coached LGL haha
足协主席亲自指导乒乓球，笑死
足协主席当年打乒乓球的时候，张继科还不知道在哪
中間來了一個誰啊XDD 大家看著都笑
总教头刘国梁，总教头的总教头蔡振华
拧拉
LOL Liu
Жаль певцом стал
5：35
he was looking at Li Xiaoxia and she laugh at the situation...
不懂球的胖子连续拉了几个都失误了，XDD。 蔡导亲自下厨！👍 可惜， 继科已成传奇。
잘하고 있는데..
숟가락 얹으러온 꼰대들~^^
too many cooks .......