In reality, quality was crap back then. US industry abandoned war time use of statistical process control and GD&T tolerancing as “quality” was considered expensive. Quality and over built are not the same. For 20+ years after WW-II US industry had near zero competition. Japan was smart, took the statistical quality control that the USA tossed aside as “expensive” and kicked many USA manufacturing business’ back ends by being efficient. Poor management, short term profits.
Seeing these old workhorses in small communities takes us back to the days when Greyhound and many over-the-road companies offered commuter service. I think it was the early 1960s was when Greyhound bought their last GM bus which was the Americruiser. Guys like you is what keeps us bus nuts very happy. I got a letter from Burlington Trailways and they saw my letter containing my proposal for 3 commuter lines. Imagine those routes being run with these grand GM Silverside buses.
I’m glad to see another piece of History saved and rolling strong. I remember riding old Greyhounds in the 60’s and 70’s what I remember the most is the sound of those two strokes going thru the gears, me living in Chicago and the buses leaving from the Station underground and running in lower Wacker Drive, was like a long tunnel run. Old memories of old buses. Me myself thought it was the coolest thing to hear them raving too the governor to shift under there. Great videos of rolling history Thanks to you and Sage. ✌🏽
Im fascinated by the distance covered by the clutch and shift linkages back to the transmission. My chevy 3 on the tree jammed up once in a while and that was only 3 feet. Would love to see an explanation of the shifting of these. Thanks.
i know you do a lot of work. and i appreciate you sharing with us the status. these bus builds are something i know nothing about, you do a great job showing the process.
@@ToomasTelling yes and their some of the most beautiful old buses too I seen an old flex in a junk yard and it was beautiful and it looked as if everything was ready to run lol just waiting on someone to rescue it .
well scott yes that seemed like it was alot of fun and great to see another silversides going thruw your new little town of tennessee and fixing the belts was a great idea for him to do as well so again scott i say you did a amazing job the the 1947 silversides he must be very happy it's all fixed and he should make home with no problems so thanks again scott from Randy from ontario,canada take care and stay safe out there you and kelly both so until next video i say bye for now.
Wow, what great 👍 save this one turned out to be. I know how much time / effort/ parts & sweat equity & let's not forget money went into this project. Great collaboration by all involved. You all are to be admired. Take a bow guys.
The shifter being 30-35' (or whatever) from the transmission has to be content problem. Weather it is rods or cables that's a lot of distance to keep it adjusted and working right. I have never been around a 4 on the tree before. It sounds like it is important to match rpm's. I'm sure after some seat time you would get pretty slick at shifting it smoothly. Looks to be a solid old bus and not all beat up. Hope to see more of it in future video's as more restoration work gets done. Considering it's size there is not all that much paint work, most of it is cleaning up the bright work which I assume must be aluminium. It's always nice to see old vehicles being saved instead of scraped to preserve our history.
Love your content, next spring ill be looking for an old bus to restore and call home for a while. When the time comes im hoping you can help me find one of these old gems.
Nothing wrong with that engine now Scott you fixed everything sounds really good pulling good up the hills looks like Sage got him a good bus don't have to replace that motor
This is a excellent video of why you should not use old belts, even if they are new and look still good. Some of them have deterioration to do old age and they will wear out quick.
I'll bet Lenny, and friends would enjoy listening to WLRN (here in Miami) on Sundays at 8pm for Night Train with Ted Grossman. It features music from the 30's, and 40's. These buses are so cool. Bless.
I think it licks looking out also!!! Sage has such a good 1-2nd. Alittle too fast for 3-4 but oh man has he improved!!!!! He almost reminded me of Phil!! That is one cool color from the passenger seat. Aqua?? Man?
All the driving videos look like he is super speeding. It's just the camera perspective. I said it as did others in a past video and he addressed it saying it's how it looks through whatever view they use. Most videos you can see he is getting passed by others so you know it's not like he was going 80 or higher.
I have I have a pair of marinized 6-71's in a historical craft. Trying to determine age/year built. I've only found cross reference back to 1960. S/Ns are 6A71233, 6A62673. Have you maybe noted serial numbers on some of these older ones?
You might try double clutching also. A car that I had years ago didn’t like to shift at low speeds when cold unless I pushed the clutch in, released it half way through the shift, and pushed it in again to complete the shift.
SCOTT, Watching at the end while he was coming down the hill I noticed the exposed pipe at the end of your new culvert. You may want to consider marking that spot with an upright marker 🚧 so one of your guests will not accidentally drive off into the small ditch and crush the pipe...
What others have said about he belts being the wrong belts is true. B series belts are industrial belts, primarily for electric motor use. They have slightly concave sides. A B-42 is rated for 8 HP on a 6" pulley, and not for high shock loads. What you really need is an automotive belt like a 22440. Roughly the same dimensions as the B42.
Mr. Grease Monkey: Forgive my ignorance, but I saw the belts are marked "B42" Which would be an outdoor power equipment belt. (Fractional Horsepower) Rather than an automotive belt. Despite what people say, the angle of the sides of the belt are different. FHP's are more square, auto are more V shaped. Unless oldster busses run on FHP's then I apologize for wasting your time. :) Just thought I would point it out!
The B 42 belt is an industrial belt be refers to the width at the top of it and the 42 is it’s 42 inches long I use them all the time on diesel generators 10 K 15 K stuff along that line they’re a very heavy duty belt they last for years I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t do duty on the bus without an issue A generator would be a lot more of a strain
An FHP belt also will work fine on your riding lawn mower or garden tractor. If you break one on the weekend, you can have a NAPA store cross reference the number and specify an FHP, they will work and last as good as factory belt but much less money. A standard automotive belt will not last no time.....
When you said confidently that he should make it another 500 miles, I was like "what?" Then you showed what appeared to be different and I assume new belts. Not the one missing a huge chunk. Maybe I missed the reference to using new belts. The hill test was SO much better. Cool!
HI SCOTT WHERE YOU SHOWING THE BAD PLACE IN THE BOTTOM PULLEY. WILL SAGE BE ABLE TO SOURCE A NEW ONE FOR IT OR A GOOD USED ONE TO KEEP FROM SHREDDING THE BELT OR DO YOU THINK IT CAN BE REPAIRED. YOU DEFINITELY GOT THE DETROIT DIESEL SOUNDING MUCH BETTER THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO THE OLD DETROIT DIESEL ENGINES. HOPE YOU HAVE A BLESSED ONE SIR.
Miracle worker. Came in running like garbage, left purring. Can't believe how bad shape some of the bus owners allow their buses to sink to, to dangerous to drive. I wouldn't even ride in some of those before Scott makes them safe again.
I am sure that nick in the pulley @1:10 is what caused the chunking of the belt. The section might not be correct but normally the belt will just wear a bit rapidly at first until it settles in. I've used belts that hand hung for four decades without a problem as long as the storage was in the dark,not exposed to sunlight.
I love the big steering wheel. I think they are more comfortable on long runs. Just index the third spoke straight ahead. I can't seem to explain to my mechanic at work How to do that. So its pointing at 2oclock going straight down the road.
G'day, Kevin here from Australia. Sage must be a happy man now Sagecoach seems to be running beautifully. Scott how many times a day to you rekin you walk up your mountain its great form of exercise. You should get a Fit Bit and count your steps for the day. Anyhoo thankyou so much for sharing a great video. Stay safe and stay well. 🌻 peace ✌
well, it bangs every revolution in stead off 1time every two,,, so it bangs twice as mutch out off the ehoust making it sounds like a 4 stroke over reving by twice! lol
Detroits don't really wind higher than a Cummins. They just sound that way because each cylinder fires twice as often as a Cummins (or any four stroke engine) does. A two stroke fires once every revolution of the crankshaft, while a four stroke engine fires every other revolution of the crankshaft. Plus the blower whine adds to the illusion of high RPM.
Drive into that little town with all vehicles aged to match the bus, the bus would think it went back in time! That bus would turn heads if he'd get some rattle can paint, masking tape and hit shoot the front end and maybe the side of the roof where it's seen. Runnin great though.
Hey Scott, Did you guys ever finish that rebuild of the bus the Elvis dude owned. I saw you tucked it away for a few months. Did you ever make it back? Scott, Santa Barbara Ca.
I didn't follow your explanation of that tube you put on the governor? Where does it go down to when that pipe goes down into the engine compartment? Is it a drain for excess oil for whatever reason. I wasn't sure why oil can just drain out on a steep hill? I followed why it did it due to the hill and engine slant, but is there not a block off or gasket?
Love that column shifter and how well he works the unsynchronized transmission!! THATS driving!
Amazing how these old buses are running after 73 years , this was quality made in USA !
It's amazing I'm running after 73 years. Oh, yeah, made in the USA!
@@denjhill hahaha
In reality, quality was crap back then. US industry abandoned war time use of statistical process control and GD&T tolerancing as “quality” was considered expensive. Quality and over built are not the same. For 20+ years after WW-II US industry had near zero competition. Japan was smart, took the statistical quality control that the USA tossed aside as “expensive” and kicked many USA manufacturing business’ back ends by being efficient. Poor management, short term profits.
@@TheBeingReal Thank you Dr. Deming.
@@TheBeingReal thank you mr.buzzkill
Sounding really good now. It’s amazing how much of an improvement you’ve made without changing any major components.
Good ol’ Detroit for ya
73 years and still on the road. Amazing!
Seeing these old workhorses in small communities takes us back to the days when Greyhound and many over-the-road companies offered commuter service. I think it was the early 1960s was when Greyhound bought their last GM bus which was the Americruiser. Guys like you is what keeps us bus nuts very happy. I got a letter from Burlington Trailways and they saw my letter containing my proposal for 3 commuter lines. Imagine those routes being run with these grand GM Silverside buses.
That’s such a beautiful bus.
I’m glad to see another piece of History saved and rolling strong. I remember riding old Greyhounds in the 60’s and 70’s what I remember the most is the sound of those two strokes going thru the gears, me living in Chicago and the buses leaving from the Station underground and running in lower Wacker Drive, was like a long tunnel run. Old memories of old buses. Me myself thought it was the coolest thing to hear them raving too the governor to shift under there. Great videos of rolling history Thanks to you and Sage. ✌🏽
Im fascinated by the distance covered by the clutch and shift linkages back to the transmission. My chevy 3 on the tree jammed up once in a while and that was only 3 feet. Would love to see an explanation of the shifting of these. Thanks.
Scott's magic touch and she roars like a tiger ! Good work !
i know you do a lot of work. and i appreciate you sharing with us the status. these bus builds are something i know nothing about, you do a great job showing the process.
Anybody notice how nice that coffee cup stayed out the whole ride? What a great bus! Great job Scott!
When he gets that painted it will be spectacular!!!!! I really like that ole Girl.
I love the interior color it reminds me of the school buses but I rode in as a kid
the School Dist I grew up in in the early 70's leased the old city transit "OLD LOOK" buses for school routes!.....lot of fond memories riding them!
that front drivers area on the silversides reminds me of a DC3. mainly how the windshields are setup. :)
Yeah the sides remind me of a conny or constellation looked sleek and ready to fly in a heartbeat
@@shaneharrison4775 these buses sure look like the could fly across the US in a heartbeat 🙂. Heck they are even built like airplanes.
@@ToomasTelling yes and their some of the most beautiful old buses too I seen an old flex in a junk yard and it was beautiful and it looked as if everything was ready to run lol just waiting on someone to rescue it .
Those are not automotive those are industrial they Can't stand the heat and brake down
well scott yes that seemed like it was alot of fun and great to see another silversides going thruw your new little town of tennessee and fixing the belts was a great idea for him to do as well so again scott i say you did a amazing job the the 1947 silversides he must be very happy it's all fixed and he should make home with no problems so thanks again scott from Randy from ontario,canada take care and stay safe out there you and kelly both so until next video i say bye for now.
Loved seeing this bus rescued. It wasn't an easy one but everyone stayed the course. So cool to see it heading down the driveway.
Great job Scott. Another happy customer......
Another happy and pleased customer 😀..and another great video scott !!
Wow, what great 👍 save this one turned out to be. I know how much time / effort/ parts & sweat equity & let's not forget money went into this project. Great collaboration by all involved. You all are to be admired. Take a bow guys.
The shifter being 30-35' (or whatever) from the transmission has to be content problem. Weather it is rods or cables that's a lot of distance to keep it adjusted and working right. I have never been around a 4 on the tree before. It sounds like it is important to match rpm's. I'm sure after some seat time you would get pretty slick at shifting it smoothly. Looks to be a solid old bus and not all beat up. Hope to see more of it in future video's as more restoration work gets done. Considering it's size there is not all that much paint work, most of it is cleaning up the bright work which I assume must be aluminium. It's always nice to see old vehicles being saved instead of scraped to preserve our history.
The rear end of the Silverside is one of a kind!
That turned out to be a pretty nice and strong bus, once it got some love. Pretty decent engine after all 😺 great work Scott.
Great job on the shifts & great job recovering the missed shifts
Gotta say love those roll down windows ..my dad's old 57 MCI Courier 96 Skyview had that on the drivers side !
Great job, Scott! You sure got Sage's old silversides running like a top! You are the "671 Whisperer"!
That engine sounds wonderful. Nice job Scott!
That view is giving me flashbacks to my old 61 split window Combi. Like what I imagine a Zeppelin cockpit would feel like.
Love your content, next spring ill be looking for an old bus to restore and call home for a while. When the time comes im hoping you can help me find one of these old gems.
Seafoam green is such a sexy color for interiors.
Sounds 1000 times better good job, Its hilarious wacthing that beast fly up that hill .... lmao
Somebody sold you the wrong belts. They are not suitable for automotive/truck use. Keep the great vids coming. Gotta love those buses and Detroits!
C'est mon bus préféré... je me souviens encore le joli bruit de moteur chaque fois qu'il circulé sur la nationale en face de chez moi.😢
Nice bus man she’s a good runner now.
The Sagecoach seems to wanna run like a scalded dog sure does sound sweet.
WOW! The front surely is cleaned up very nice!
Speed demon at the wheel, lol. Love the engine sounds 👌. GaMike 82fxwg
Nothing wrong with that engine now Scott you fixed everything sounds really good pulling good up the hills looks like Sage got him a good bus don't have to replace that motor
Great job done. That bus is older than me by one year..keep up the great videos.
... but are you in better condition in the wear and tear department?
I look forward to you uploads daily. Keep them coming. Greetings from Australia
Scott power steering on that old bus looks pretty nice
This is a excellent video of why you should not use old belts, even if they are new and look still good. Some of them have deterioration to do old age and they will wear out quick.
I'll bet Lenny, and friends would enjoy listening to WLRN (here in Miami) on Sundays at 8pm for Night Train with Ted Grossman. It features music from the 30's, and 40's. These buses are so cool. Bless.
I think it licks looking out also!!! Sage has such a good 1-2nd. Alittle too fast for 3-4 but oh man has he improved!!!!! He almost reminded me of Phil!! That is one cool color from the passenger seat. Aqua?? Man?
That was Jason driving
Phil was driving to a schedule - even in his retirement :)
I come to this channel for the extreme bus offroading..
Dang that engine sounds so much better at the end than when it came in.
These old buses are badass 😎 love the screaming demons too. Really enjoy your ride inside videos the most and drive by clips.
Amazing how much difference a good tuneup by someone who knows what he’s doing can make.......
Was it just me or did it look like he was going really fast there! Maybe backseat perspective?
All the driving videos look like he is super speeding. It's just the camera perspective. I said it as did others in a past video and he addressed it saying it's how it looks through whatever view they use. Most videos you can see he is getting passed by others so you know it's not like he was going 80 or higher.
Great job Scott👍🏻
Hey a princess Auto thermometer,, good to see.
Another satisfied customer
I have I have a pair of marinized 6-71's in a historical craft. Trying to determine age/year built. I've only found cross reference back to 1960. S/Ns are 6A71233, 6A62673. Have you maybe noted serial numbers on some of these older ones?
You might try double clutching also. A car that I had years ago didn’t like to shift at low speeds when cold unless I pushed the clutch in, released it half way through the shift, and pushed it in again to complete the shift.
Great job Scott, you got the old girl singing pretty well!
Sounds great, more double-clutching may be required though.😊
SCOTT, Watching at the end while he was coming down the hill I noticed the exposed pipe at the end of your new culvert.
You may want to consider marking that spot with an upright marker 🚧 so one of your guests will not accidentally drive off into the small ditch and crush the pipe...
Para sus años que tiene este camión, me gusta como corre, como si fuera un auto normal, se ve que no se esfuerza mucho el motor.
What others have said about he belts being the wrong belts is true. B series belts are industrial belts, primarily for electric motor use. They have slightly concave sides. A B-42 is rated for 8 HP on a 6" pulley, and not for high shock loads.
What you really need is an automotive belt like a 22440. Roughly the same dimensions as the B42.
Nice oldie bus... god video
That bus is running great!
Mr. Grease Monkey: Forgive my ignorance, but I saw the belts are marked "B42" Which would be an outdoor power equipment belt. (Fractional Horsepower) Rather than an automotive belt. Despite what people say, the angle of the sides of the belt are different. FHP's are more square, auto are more V shaped. Unless oldster busses run on FHP's then I apologize for wasting your time. :) Just thought I would point it out!
Thought the same used that belt motor and pump on hydraulic elevator
My thinking is to find a right length on the bus. So you may Need go to Utility belts . and I think doing 1000 rpm for a fan
The B 42 belt is an industrial belt be refers to the width at the top of it and the 42 is it’s 42 inches long I use them all the time on diesel generators 10 K 15 K stuff along that line they’re a very heavy duty belt they last for years
I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t do duty on the bus without an issue A generator would be a lot more of a strain
Not sure on this particular application, but I’ve seen a lot of old Detroits that used B-section belts. Even in automotive applications.
An FHP belt also will work fine on your riding lawn mower or garden tractor. If you break one on the weekend, you can have a NAPA store cross reference the number and specify an FHP, they will work and last as good as factory belt but much less money. A standard automotive belt will not last no time.....
What a cool old bus.
You did a great job on the bus!
That old bus 🚎 hauls buns. I love those diesel engines.
When you said confidently that he should make it another 500 miles, I was like "what?" Then you showed what appeared to be different and I assume new belts. Not the one missing a huge chunk. Maybe I missed the reference to using new belts. The hill test was SO much better. Cool!
the belts was New old stock and made be siting on the self long time. so rubber may be old
HI SCOTT WHERE YOU SHOWING THE BAD PLACE IN THE BOTTOM PULLEY. WILL SAGE BE ABLE TO SOURCE A NEW ONE FOR IT OR A GOOD USED ONE TO KEEP FROM SHREDDING THE BELT OR DO YOU THINK IT CAN BE REPAIRED.
YOU DEFINITELY GOT THE DETROIT DIESEL SOUNDING MUCH BETTER THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO THE OLD DETROIT DIESEL ENGINES.
HOPE YOU HAVE A BLESSED ONE SIR.
Yes, that was fun...You have it running really well..
These videos from the back always makes it look like your doing 90MPH!!!!! I know it isnt... but I always feel the need to hold on
Miracle worker. Came in running like garbage, left purring. Can't believe how bad shape some of the bus owners allow their buses to sink to, to dangerous to drive. I wouldn't even ride in some of those before Scott makes them safe again.
Nice job Scott
I am sure that nick in the pulley @1:10 is what caused the chunking of the belt. The section might not be correct but normally the belt will just wear a bit rapidly at first until it settles in. I've used belts that hand hung for four decades without a problem as long as the storage was in the dark,not exposed to sunlight.
Off they go, they should be all set for the next leg.. lets hope things go well.. at least they are headed toward cooler weather hopefully..
HELL OF A JOB SCOTT
Really enjoy your videos mate!
Great work as always Scott!
I was just up in Michigan, and saw a silverside this past weekend. Not sure if it was this guy but yeah, that explains his fast lead foot
Neither of my buses were in Michigan this weekend
The horizontal slats of the engine compt covers certainly have a great potential for some LED lighting displays.
I love the big steering wheel. I think they are more comfortable on long runs. Just index the third spoke straight ahead. I can't seem to explain to my mechanic at work
How to do that. So its pointing at 2oclock going straight down the road.
Did you notice the crank pulley on the inner pulley has a broken inside rail facing into the pulley? Could be why the belts were torn up?
Got to have them honk air horns as they leave, BGM tradition. Good work Gents!
its lick looking out of a Tiffany jewelry box, great bus.
@mark robertson hahaa, sweeet.
G'day, Kevin here from Australia.
Sage must be a happy man now Sagecoach seems to be running beautifully.
Scott how many times a day to you rekin you walk up your mountain its great form of exercise. You should get a Fit Bit and count your steps for the day.
Anyhoo thankyou so much for sharing a great video.
Stay safe and stay well.
🌻 peace ✌
I'm still amazed at how high those Detroit's wind up. The cummins in my Freightliner would explode..lol. And that old.. Amazing.
well, it bangs every revolution in stead off 1time every two,,, so it bangs twice as mutch out off the ehoust making it sounds like a 4 stroke over reving by twice! lol
Detroits don't really wind higher than a Cummins. They just sound that way because each cylinder fires twice as often as a Cummins (or any four stroke engine) does. A two stroke fires once every revolution of the crankshaft, while a four stroke engine fires every other revolution of the crankshaft. Plus the blower whine adds to the illusion of high RPM.
Well, thank you for the explanation. I drive them. But I would love a Detroit under the hood.
Drive into that little town with all vehicles aged to match the bus, the bus would think it went back in time! That bus would turn heads if he'd get some rattle can paint, masking tape and hit shoot the front end and maybe the side of the roof where it's seen. Runnin great though.
You know you're at the governor in a detroit 2 stroke when everything in the bus starts rattling 😆
And you can't see out the rear view mirrors anymore !!
Like having your Mom riding with you.Too fast slow down. Should have said "Is that a cop?"
LMAO.. Yeah Well..
He knows a trap when he lives there
I know it I was like man he’s driving shut up and let him drive I bet you he drove more than that kid is of age
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Everyone wants to see bus work....
Bus Grease Monkey and very much deserved!
Did I just see you on 65 north, exit 24 IN?
love thje double clutch gearbox, requires some experience though
What are those like to drive? I love watching these videos.
As usual, it sounds better leaving Scott's place than it did coming in!
He was hot rodding that bus like Keanau Reeves in "Speed".
Where does the oil goes that goes through the governor that you put the pipe fix on? Where does it drain to?
That coffee cup never moved
How hard is it to change the bushings inside the governor housing? great work!
Wondering if the pulleys are too worn, or the belt is too narrow; and the belts are riding on the axle of the pulley, rather than on the V-sides.
Hey Scott, Did you guys ever finish that rebuild of the bus the Elvis dude owned. I saw you tucked it away for a few months. Did you ever make it back? Scott, Santa Barbara Ca.
I didn't follow your explanation of that tube you put on the governor? Where does it go down to when that pipe goes down into the engine compartment? Is it a drain for excess oil for whatever reason. I wasn't sure why oil can just drain out on a steep hill? I followed why it did it due to the hill and engine slant, but is there not a block off or gasket?
in the days before EPA , everything was vented to the air. no PCV valves :)
It’s a beauty
Maybe it’s just me but seems like he is a aggressive driver. He’ll come around👍.
Wide angle lense makes it look much faster....