I wish you would have made sure to get some clear shopping advice for us from the expert. It's hard to get help from an expert that doesn't have a conflict of interest, I really enjoyed that about the first episode. It was gold.
You can still lower torsion bar suspension by adjusting it. Back in the day people did that quite often as it was basically free way to lower Peugeot's
From a french guy, pretty sure there is also some conversion stuff (rally 206 like) you can do but you need a budget and rear fender panel too cuz rear wheels are more toward the rear
@@Jagermonsta Trouble is when lowering you're making it soft and rolly. When raising they become too stiff, kinda the opposite of what you want to achieve. At standard height they are great...
As a guy from the UK who's worked on a few different cars that have lived with our weather, including Peugeots, it's great to see you finally have an experience working on one that matches my own: 10 times longer than expected thanks to rusted and stuck fasteners, broken parts, stripped torx bolts etc.
If you're trying to mod a 206 cheap, just get some torsion bars and anti-roll bars from a GTi 180. If you don't want to mess with the axle rebuild, just swap the whole rear axle. It's literally 4 bolts plus bleeding your brakes.
The takeaway from this, Peugeot ownership and modification is different. Modification is a true labour of love. No cars like this in Canada 🇨🇦 to speak of.
Dont know if anybody already commented: the front struts in a peugeot can be removed by using a spring compressor to compress the spring and therefore reduce the length of the strut- then there is enough room to remove it- no other disassembly needed. Like withh most mechanical stuff You need to know what youre working with
13:46 pro tip: leave the top mount bolted into the car, remove/slacken the stud that clamps the hub to the strut, then just hit it with a hammer until it falls off. Learned the hard way a few different times
My old Mazda was just like that; bought a 10ish USD part that slides into the back of the hub and when rotated with a wrench it spreads it open enough to knock the hub down from the strut.
It's great to see their attitude to the Peugeot despite how difficult it is to work on. They could have so easily said "This is terrible let's just smash it up" but to actually take it seriously even with cheap parts, it's still going to be a good build. Hats off to you boys.
You're not wrong about how hard working on Peugeots is when you're new to it. After 10 years of fixing my Peugeots I bought an EJ25 Liberty and had to change the spark plugs as the first job, and for a notoriously difficult job it was the easiest thing I'd ever done.
@@rackles4532not really if you know what your are doing with puegeots, plus they make great power, their just underrated people are just scared of their engines which granted are a fuk in the head but once you’ve wrapped your head around it
Haha! When they chopped the ARB linkage I was laughting waiting for the lower ball joint. The single most annoying thing on a 206 is to disconnect the lower ball joint if you don't know what are you doing. The correct way to remove shock is to install a factory tool (or DIY similar), that connects the lower and upper collars and keeps the spring compressed and short. Than lose the pinch bolt grabbing the bottom of the shock. Insert an allen key into the slot and turn it from the flats to the points spreading the hub. The shock slides right out. You don't have to undo the lower ball joint at all. Half an hour, but not for the first time...
That sounds like what we call in engineering 'unnecessary over-complexity'. It should be a straightforward job. It's essentially mechanical DRM, so you have to go to a 'certified mechanic' with those tools and knowledge.
@@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 We simply call it a bad design. The hub with the pinch-bolt shock attachment is an old part in the Peugeot catalog. But the early models used a different control arm that articulated well enought to let the ball joint to be separated. The next generation of Pugs after the 206 are using exactly the same 2 bolt setup as the Swift.
@@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 "mechanical DRM" LOL they replaced struts on a couple of Moog's VAG cars that have the exact same type of pinch-bolt shock-to-hub, so this shouldn't be news to them. It's also not a Peugeot or even a 'french car' thing. Anything would seem "unnecessary over-complexity" to someone who's never held a screwdriver, but I didn't think this would apply to MCM..
I'm amused at how difficult it was for you to work on the 206. here in Southamerica the 206 is so common, i took mine to my mechanic and changed arms, controls, front springs and shocks, and also adjusted the rear torsion bar to lower the car, all in 2 hours time.
Never understood how in Brazil 206 are hated by mechanics despite having sold well, but in the Spanish-speaking countries of South America, french cars are always popular af.
@@alexandreb.1101 Because they are crap to work on. Most PSA products are crap. Today I had to remove the front bumper and a headlight on a Partner to replace a horn
I loved seeing Marty throw the factory strut on the ground and immediately giving it the middle finger. 😂 I have done the exact same thing on several occasions. 🤣🤘
To be absolutely fair, that Swift was treated well, with everything zipping off in minutes, whereas the Peugeot has been abused hard and from the looks of it never had a wrench turned on it until you got to it. I'm pretty sure if the Swift was in the same state, you'd both be pulling your hair out just as much.
@@arekb5951 ..and make no mistake, this 206 is the base model, cheapest 206 when new, vs. the fancy 'Sport' Swift; I think it would be hilarious if at the end the "trash" 206 wipes the floor with the Swift on the track (unless they just sandbag it to show how the Swift is 'better')
Next episode should have moog standing next to a bin talking about what he got, then marty pops out of said bin holding or saying "hey look at what i found!". Great episode as usual.
I like how you said the stuff on the Peugeot was rusted so you can't take it off when it's possibly the cleanest used Peugeot undercarriage I've ever seen in my entire life. I wish I lived somewhere that this is 'rusted' 😭
I think so too. And as far as I remember the 206 does have proper racing pedigree and development as a platform with the WRC and some touring car racing series. I know all the dissing is in jest but the 206 deserves better. It's a great car. (The base unassisted direction is awful though)
They are afraid that with good mods, the 206 would smash the Banana, and that would cause Madness within Jap fanboys
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@@drawzerRB yeah, I actually laughed my ass off after the track episode where the sport version of the Swift did almost the same time as grandma's trashed shopping trolley 206 with shot tires and suspension. I recon 206 will smash the Swift with ease after leveling the ground a bit.
You can lower the rear of the Pug. Remove the radius arms from the beam; rotate the spline by 1 notch; reassemble. Should give you about 15mm or so. See how badly the bearings are worn while you're there. (The rear wheels start to develop significant camber).
Back of the 206 can be lowered entirely for free. It's a LOT of effort but you can pull the arms off the torsion bar then rotate them around 3 notches (i think it was) to lower them around 40mm or so! But.... They're almost always seized thanks to being sat there for a number of years!
Great video guys as always. Btw a Torsion bar is just a straight coil! Instead of compressing a coil which is in fact trying to twist the steel it's just a straight bar which twists depending of load applied.
@@dumblebrug Kinda, except that a sway bar is designed more to resist twisting and transfer that compression to the opposite side in an attempt to control body roll.
Next time try a transmission jack under the front hub , it was difficult to remove the ball joint because all the suspension was hanging down at max extension. compress it up a bit and those joints come right out
Rooting for the 206 Peeling that bannana. I live in the midwest and every suspension job ive done has been kind of the same. Sometimes worse. Lol. Heat is your best friend.
I've owe 2 Peugeots atm, and also had a couple before i will admit they can be tricky to do mods too some times, but when it comes too build quality something happened around 2010. Feels to me like they had some issues from mid to late nighties and until about 2010. Then they became a lot better, and for those who buy these cars for the reasons i do (Family and cost) their diesel engines are very solid (after 2010 that is). As an Norwegian with 3 kids, and need to fit their chairs in a car its down to size and cost. I have a 2020 5008 2.0 GT-line (180hk diesel), and compared to most other cars i would pay a lot more for that kind of space and equipment. Especially when i will NEVER buy an VAG car. My second Peugeot is a 2014 308 sw 2.0 (150hk diesel). When i bought that one I needed a new secondary car because I hit a deer with the old one. Then it all came down to price and availability. I needed a car quickly, since I use it to get to work, and within the money I had to spend and some criterias, that was the best option for me. So as an originally Mitsubishi man, it pains me a bit to not have a Mitsubishi any longer.
Pajero trounced the Paris Dakar race in its class. Multiple years. Meanwhile the teams were rebuilding the entire front ends of each car, nightly. Just to keep them running
@@joealex65 Nah the 306 GTi was great too. I also quite like the RCZ. And actually a 206 GTi 180 Marty first looked at isn't terrible. MCM are being a bit mean.
That 206 basically sums up almost all of my journey of modding shit boxes in the UK from 2010 to 2019. Everything is rusted, rounded or corroded or seized every single time.
I had a Peugeot 405 with same type of torsion suspension. The bar is adjustable and hole set up is very good when it comes to 4 wheel adjustment and alignment. I had demon tweeks adjust mine in the uk
Guy from the rust belt here. Always amazing to see how stumped people are at a little rust. Here nothing under the car unbolts without a torch and impact gun. And thats after maybe 2-3 winters.
I have done coilover instalation on peugeot 206 and you don't need to take out drive shaft and hub to change front shocks. installation process is basically the same as for golf mk2 or mk3
Been watching you guys for years and always thought you guys flew through jobs. Watching you work on the Peugeot reminds me of every single job I've done on my 2004 Landrover Discovery in Ireland!
Mog ya did a good job of selling this concept to Marty!! It go a little something like this “I’ll pump heaps of cash into mine and make it sick, and you can dumpster dive for snails” haha
Not gonna lie my 206 GTI was a nightmare to lower. Those front shocks are a pain to remove and refit without taking the lower arm off. But I managed it on my driveway in a day. For the rear as people already said it's free and pretty easy of you have the tools.
I lowered alot of 106's back in my boy racer days ! if you thought the front was bad wait till the torsion arm is seized in and then the axle bearing shits its pants cause you gotta warm it up haha ! keep up the good work ! :)
As a French I just want to say that you guys assessment of the different love language on the Peugeot is a perfect match of the reality of how car making evolved in France in general. Peugeot is most likely the most sport efficient and reliable maker compared to Renault and Citroen, but they have sit too long on their pedigree and this 206 model is one of these new era of cars, namely the 2000's (although I know the model start at the end of the 90's). This the era where pretty much all car makers where looking to mass produce for cheaper, and you can surely feel that in the resulting product with cars that are generally not that expensive to fix thanks to a large network of parts dealers, but that are randomly crippled with smalls yet annoying issues. One of my good friends was the proud owner of a 206 RC that he loved to the bits, until a broken gasket that took months to fix made him switch for a Subaru.
Never found a french car that's easy to work on they always seem to fight with every job taking many times longer than a normal car! Looking forward to seeing the results from the cash to trash series well done guys 👍👍
4 days😅 I remember when we changed the coils on my 206. First time I needed a 7mm Alenkey, on a Sunday. And yes we also cut some things away. Throw the Spare Tyer away. Unnecessary weight.
Good episode. I like the more realistic approach for the Swift compared to Donut's High/Low. High/Low is also awesome, but there's not many people out there that are going to dump $50k into a 350Z (or put 4 motors into a WRX)
To remove the lower control arm (13:11), just grab the brake disk/hub and move it front and back while pulling the control arm down. It will just fall easily with almost no resistance. ahahahah I used to spend hours doing that in my 205s until I found that. What a nice machine you have there! Can't wait to see them finished!
You know, this would be a good opportunity to create a 206 GTI or Rallye... just saying, it would be quite unique in the Australian scene, you might just have to go to Europe to get parts
12:05 - have got the struts out without undoing the lower control arm. Stabilizer links are pretty much always single-use items on these, at least in our rusty conditions. If you are getting awful camber on the back (scrubbing inside the wheelwell) your rear axle bearings are shot and replacing them is a pain.
It's not really though. Only arbitrarily through the "trash" limitation. Which is a shame, because Marty already spent less than half of what Moog did on the car itself. If Marty had bought the GTI180 instead it would have still cost less than the Swift and it would be no competition.
As someone who's built and raced Peugeot's a LOT - this was absolutely perfect You can lower torsion bars but it's a pain. You can swap them for GTI 180 torsion bars but it's a nightmare. Removing the entire front hub is such an old fashioned way of designing anything - all the VAG stuff is a dream as is Merc/BMW. Drop links for ARB's are basically throw away items, you always angle grind them off - the torx to stop them spinning is garbage and again VAG usually have a flat section for a spanner which just works. I don't miss it at all
I liked to see the opposite. The slower car getting the best parts and the quickest having the bin parts it will only make the quickest car quicker and the slower car slower
Hi, I'm French and I've been a subscriber for about 8 years and I still have so much fun watching your videos, even this one! 😉😉 I am a mechanic and I completely share your opinion on the 206 🤬
Why didn't you use spring compressors during the extraction on the pug? I've used them before myself to make it easier, do they damage the springs or am i missing something?
To remove the suspension arms you can just use a long metal bar/tube between the arm and the subframe, and push down against the subframe, comes out first time every time, to lower the rear beam you just need to remove both torsion bars rotate one spline, or more, each and put them back.
To lower the rear on the pug you need to remove the trailing arms off the torsion bar and rotate them a number of spines..... just changing the shox won't affect rear ride height....
Thank you for the PTSD flashback to my old GTi, and the absolute arse that put a fuseboard behind the lights meaning the whole bastard front end had to come off to change a fecking bulb
Had JOMs as a temporary measure on my mk2 focus ST/XR5. Discovered 2 broken springs on the standard suspension, 2 days before MOT. 3 week wait for new ford stuff or i could buy the JOMs that day. They lasted on for 3000 miles before i put Konis on. They were solid. Not a huge fan but they do a job.
@@BlueXonar For track use, they should be decent. Cheap coilovers are fine for flat even roads, it's when you actually use them on the street you feel how terrible they are.
@@MrManBuzz They will probably be an improvement over stock, unless the track has a lot of dips and undulations. I was exaggerating a little perhaps, but they really are worth less than the materials they were made from.
We have been racing a Peugeot 206 GTi180 at Pheasant Wood Raceway , Marulan in the series originally called ' Cheap Car Challenge' for over 4 years and have used many cheap mod options. Some examples, to get some camber, where the struts bolt in at the top, redrill and move the bolt holes over roughly 25mm to the centre of the car (spring hitting inside guard will determine how far you can go, it needs also bigger hole cut for the top of the strut, we also cut and lengthened the lower control arm (note need some good welding for this) . Added 25 mm spacers on the wheels back and front, removed the aircon compressor, replaced the heavy battery with a smaller lithium battery, could have also put it in the back for better weight distribution. The addition of a limited slip diff is a relatively cheap and easy option, but that will start putting more stress on the gearbox so we have not gone that way. We call our car 'The French Tart' for obvious reasons, you need small fingers working on these cars.
Love it!!! I've had the multi-day love language conversation with my 02' Hyundai XG350L (Hyundai Grandeur, in S.Korea and such) before. Good times. Driver's side CV/Driveshaft has almost zero access to remove it, had to create my own remover for it with a series of chains, a pipe (with a hole drilled through it) and a home made slide hammer to get it out. The excitement was legit after popping the shaft ( haha) from the trans output seal. It bled trans fluid and I cheered like I wounded a monster that was attacking a village. Some cars just like it rough.
Compress spring all the way using the smallest set of spring compressors you can find, undo clamp, split clamp using a chisel, undo hardware up top, compress shock, rotate and exit through rear with wheel pointed inwards at front of the car for extra space. You have enough clearance. This is a case like in the BMW manual, where they say that to replace the struts on the rear window you have to remove the rear trim, take the whole headliner down, remove the strut ball joint bolt, then fight with it all, when in reality, all you need to do the job is remove the trim around the strut, pop the joint cap off the ball with a long narrow lever and reinstall it the same way. Just because the manual says you're supposed to do it one way, doesn't mean you're ... actually supposed to waste your time doing it that way. I will admit that in the case of the Peugebro, unless you know the exact movements, you'll never get it off the first time. The whole job takes 50 minutes per side if you have an experienced technician with all the right tools. The rear can be adjusted with the torsion bar (like all torsion bar suspensions) by rotating it in the splines.
You can adjust the position of the torsion bars in the rear to lower the Peugeot. You can lower it by 2-3 nicks if you want to do it quick or can set the suspension to where you want if you do it the proper way
Hi everyone looking forward to seeing the finished cars having their race competition. What is JDM ? Marty for health and safety reasons you should be using coil spring compressors.
Every British viewer is cheering the pug 206 underdog on. Every person who learned to drive 10 or so years ago either had a 206 or had a friend who had one.
You can lower the 206 by moving the splines of the torsion bars by 1 tooth, it will lower the car by circa 2,5cm. But will affect the shock absorbers as they will fully compress over bigger bumps. We raised Citroen Xsara by i tooth to get more ground clearance for tow hitch mounted bike rack. So it is doable but stiffer/shorter shocks are needed.
Boys if you bang spring compressors on the springs *first* and wind them up into the towers you can get them out without taking the hubs or anything off. Also the standard Peugeot jack handle/wheel wrench in the boot has a flat on it the perfect size for levering open the hub clamping the struts. Also you hope it's better than the factory with new stuff but those Peugeot dampers were pretty sophisticated - even on the models before the 206 (205/306/405/406 etc) those dampers were tuned by Peugeot themselves, sure they were twin tubes but they had gas bags to separate the air and oil, and even hydraulic bumpstops in the rear (and position sensitive damping in some models on the front) - that's stuff you don't even get on top end aftermarket stuff now without spending 1500-2000 per corner.
As a former Citroen/Peugeot mechanic I can say you never say "oh it is really simple and makes sense" - The dogbones we always changed and cut the old ones. But for a guy who knows what he is doing it takes 2-3 hours to do the complete spring and damper change ;) The rear torsion springs can be adjusted. However it does not change the stiffness.
that feeling of helping ur bros put on fancier and better parts on their car while u still run dirt cheap parts on yours. it hits in many possible way.
Our family has a -15 Citroen DS3, the front suspension is similar and it took some time to take it off but could be taken off without removing the hub :) job took about 2h to finish. Similar job on a Volvo took me about 30 min :D
Im running the blueline JOMS on my e46 since last year now. Its a little stiff but its really not bad the thread is not rusting at all and i actually can still adjust it easily
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@@r1chardarcher I did the same 😂
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I wish you would have made sure to get some clear shopping advice for us from the expert. It's hard to get help from an expert that doesn't have a conflict of interest, I really enjoyed that about the first episode. It was gold.
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You can still lower torsion bar suspension by adjusting it. Back in the day people did that quite often as it was basically free way to lower Peugeot's
Exactly, on a rear torsion bar VW beetle you can lower it more quickly than chopping the springs on your old commodore.
From a french guy, pretty sure there is also some conversion stuff (rally 206 like) you can do but you need a budget and rear fender panel too cuz rear wheels are more toward the rear
'99 holden rodeo owner here - wind up the torsion bars to jack it up, wind down to lower. torsion bars are pretty common in older ifs utes
@@Jagermonsta Trouble is when lowering you're making it soft and rolly. When raising they become too stiff, kinda the opposite of what you want to achieve. At standard height they are great...
But it's easier to blame the car for your own lack of knowledge (research) for the sake of a quick gag 😂
As a guy from the UK who's worked on a few different cars that have lived with our weather, including Peugeots, it's great to see you finally have an experience working on one that matches my own: 10 times longer than expected thanks to rusted and stuck fasteners, broken parts, stripped torx bolts etc.
Definitely - I was about to comment this. This level of rust and stuck, dirty, greasy parts is just a normal UK market car after 4 years on our roads.
If you're trying to mod a 206 cheap, just get some torsion bars and anti-roll bars from a GTi 180. If you don't want to mess with the axle rebuild, just swap the whole rear axle. It's literally 4 bolts plus bleeding your brakes.
Great tip, thanks. The bars look a bit corroded to attempt removing and replacements in Aus aren’t cheap.
Shopping from the UK will give you the RHD parts and the cars are pretty common. The shipping may cost more than the parts! 😢
We have alot of these turds in the UK, so plenty of parts to buy.
@@mightycarmods I’m guessing shipping would be expensive but I bought a reconditioned gti rear beam for £500 in the uk
The takeaway from this, Peugeot ownership and modification is different. Modification is a true labour of love. No cars like this in Canada 🇨🇦 to speak of.
Dont know if anybody already commented: the front struts in a peugeot can be removed by using a spring compressor to compress the spring and therefore reduce the length of the strut- then there is enough room to remove it- no other disassembly needed. Like withh most mechanical stuff You need to know what youre working with
Exactly how I do them at work... everyone else i know does them the hard way or drops the subframe a few inches to get enough clearance. 😂
I’m chillin here thinking “u going to do W0T??” Need to be more stupid than the tool you’re working with. Or was it smart? 🤔
I burst out laughing at 13:47. As a person that frequently flips off inanimate objects, I totally get the feeling that Marty was having there.
13:46 pro tip: leave the top mount bolted into the car, remove/slacken the stud that clamps the hub to the strut, then just hit it with a hammer until it falls off. Learned the hard way a few different times
My old Mazda was just like that; bought a 10ish USD part that slides into the back of the hub and when rotated with a wrench it spreads it open enough to knock the hub down from the strut.
It's great to see their attitude to the Peugeot despite how difficult it is to work on. They could have so easily said "This is terrible let's just smash it up" but to actually take it seriously even with cheap parts, it's still going to be a good build. Hats off to you boys.
This is the attitude that keeps MCM different from the rest
Peugeot are easier to work on if you know what to do. Theres a quick way to do every job.
They arent that hard to work on at all. The boys didnt look outside the box
@@riskybisness my motto is, if it seems hard, youre doing something wrong
Gotta say, The Nuggetry gets better with each episode! Nothing but the best from the Worlds Best 4x4 Channel in the World ❤
The absolute top of their class
Nuggetry ? Lmfao
@@iwanevans607 100% fits the channel !
You're not wrong about how hard working on Peugeots is when you're new to it. After 10 years of fixing my Peugeots I bought an EJ25 Liberty and had to change the spark plugs as the first job, and for a notoriously difficult job it was the easiest thing I'd ever done.
Mate, they are shit cars regradless if they are more difficult to work on.
@@rackles4532not really if you know what your are doing with puegeots, plus they make great power, their just underrated people are just scared of their engines which granted are a fuk in the head but once you’ve wrapped your head around it
Haha! When they chopped the ARB linkage I was laughting waiting for the lower ball joint. The single most annoying thing on a 206 is to disconnect the lower ball joint if you don't know what are you doing.
The correct way to remove shock is to install a factory tool (or DIY similar), that connects the lower and upper collars and keeps the spring compressed and short. Than lose the pinch bolt grabbing the bottom of the shock. Insert an allen key into the slot and turn it from the flats to the points spreading the hub. The shock slides right out. You don't have to undo the lower ball joint at all. Half an hour, but not for the first time...
That sounds like what we call in engineering 'unnecessary over-complexity'. It should be a straightforward job. It's essentially mechanical DRM, so you have to go to a 'certified mechanic' with those tools and knowledge.
@@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 We simply call it a bad design.
The hub with the pinch-bolt shock attachment is an old part in the Peugeot catalog. But the early models used a different control arm that articulated well enought to let the ball joint to be separated. The next generation of Pugs after the 206 are using exactly the same 2 bolt setup as the Swift.
@@k-aw-teksleepysageuni8181 "mechanical DRM" LOL
they replaced struts on a couple of Moog's VAG cars that have the exact same type of pinch-bolt shock-to-hub, so this shouldn't be news to them. It's also not a Peugeot or even a 'french car' thing.
Anything would seem "unnecessary over-complexity" to someone who's never held a screwdriver, but I didn't think this would apply to MCM..
I'm amused at how difficult it was for you to work on the 206. here in Southamerica the 206 is so common, i took mine to my mechanic and changed arms, controls, front springs and shocks, and also adjusted the rear torsion bar to lower the car, all in 2 hours time.
Never understood how in Brazil 206 are hated by mechanics despite having sold well, but in the Spanish-speaking countries of South America, french cars are always popular af.
@@alexandreb.1101 Because they are crap to work on. Most PSA products are crap. Today I had to remove the front bumper and a headlight on a Partner to replace a horn
A UK based company called Satchchell Engineering has actually made a rocker suspension conversion kit for 106/205’s 👌👌
I loved seeing Marty throw the factory strut on the ground and immediately giving it the middle finger. 😂 I have done the exact same thing on several occasions. 🤣🤘
To be absolutely fair, that Swift was treated well, with everything zipping off in minutes, whereas the Peugeot has been abused hard and from the looks of it never had a wrench turned on it until you got to it. I'm pretty sure if the Swift was in the same state, you'd both be pulling your hair out just as much.
That's usually why ultra cheap cars are expensive in the long run, no matter the brand
Yep, most if not all of the parts needed to be replaced.
Cars that get parked near the beach vs inner suburb, garaged cars, it really makes a big difference
@@sinAnon6689 you known people but never worked on one making your argument invalid
@@arekb5951 ..and make no mistake, this 206 is the base model, cheapest 206 when new, vs. the fancy 'Sport' Swift; I think it would be hilarious if at the end the "trash" 206 wipes the floor with the Swift on the track (unless they just sandbag it to show how the Swift is 'better')
Rear torsion bar is adjustable and normally 25 minutes a side to remove and refit front shocks on them on a lift
Or 45 minutes on a jack on the ground
Next episode should have moog standing next to a bin talking about what he got, then marty pops out of said bin holding or saying "hey look at what i found!". Great episode as usual.
Exactly.
"Where is Marty?"
"In the bin!"
it'd be awesome if viewers can see the before and after images of the rides😃 eager to see the development of the ZC31 and keep up the great work!!
I like how you said the stuff on the Peugeot was rusted so you can't take it off when it's possibly the cleanest used Peugeot undercarriage I've ever seen in my entire life. I wish I lived somewhere that this is 'rusted' 😭
Those allen/torx key end links are the worst design ever though, agreed.
Yeah I've never seen an old French car in a condition as good as that one
Maybe it's my memories of time playing Colin McRae Rally 2.0 talking, but I think Peugeot looks awesome. At least it has got great potential.
I think so too. And as far as I remember the 206 does have proper racing pedigree and development as a platform with the WRC and some touring car racing series.
I know all the dissing is in jest but the 206 deserves better. It's a great car. (The base unassisted direction is awful though)
Great to see Andre from DNA AutoSport on there, what a legend! This is shaping up to be a mad series 🔥
Your music is always on point!! Great job guys! Cant wait to see whats next!
Would you happen to know the name of the song?
Back To You & Me by Moog (feat. Mark Agustin)
@@jasonbailey3383 cheers man 👍
I love that you guys make music, watching a youtube video with actual music is like a little time capsule back. brilliant
Cash - Trash idea is cool but it feels like a missed opportunity to make a cool project out of the Peugeot!
I agree, was really looking forward to seeing how mad the Peugeot could get. Will still be an entertaining series though probably.
They are afraid that with good mods, the 206 would smash the Banana, and that would cause Madness within Jap fanboys
@@drawzerRB yeah, I actually laughed my ass off after the track episode where the sport version of the Swift did almost the same time as grandma's trashed shopping trolley 206 with shot tires and suspension. I recon 206 will smash the Swift with ease after leveling the ground a bit.
@ totally agree
You can lower the rear of the Pug. Remove the radius arms from the beam; rotate the spline by 1 notch; reassemble. Should give you about 15mm or so. See how badly the bearings are worn while you're there. (The rear wheels start to develop significant camber).
Ha, the Submarine joke was the best. Wasn't us, haha you can thank Scotty from marketing for that one.
Back of the 206 can be lowered entirely for free. It's a LOT of effort but you can pull the arms off the torsion bar then rotate them around 3 notches (i think it was) to lower them around 40mm or so!
But.... They're almost always seized thanks to being sat there for a number of years!
Great video guys as always.
Btw a Torsion bar is just a straight coil!
Instead of compressing a coil which is in fact trying to twist the steel it's just a straight bar which twists depending of load applied.
Same concept as a sway bar
@@dumblebrug Kinda, except that a sway bar is designed more to resist twisting and transfer that compression to the opposite side in an attempt to control body roll.
Next time try a transmission jack under the front hub , it was difficult to remove the ball joint because all the suspension was hanging down at max extension. compress it up a bit and those joints come right out
Rooting for the 206 Peeling that bannana. I live in the midwest and every suspension job ive done has been kind of the same. Sometimes worse. Lol. Heat is your best friend.
I've owe 2 Peugeots atm, and also had a couple before i will admit they can be tricky to do mods too some times, but when it comes too build quality something happened around 2010. Feels to me like they had some issues from mid to late nighties and until about 2010. Then they became a lot better, and for those who buy these cars for the reasons i do (Family and cost) their diesel engines are very solid (after 2010 that is).
As an Norwegian with 3 kids, and need to fit their chairs in a car its down to size and cost. I have a 2020 5008 2.0 GT-line (180hk diesel), and compared to most other cars i would pay a lot more for that kind of space and equipment. Especially when i will NEVER buy an VAG car. My second Peugeot is a 2014 308 sw 2.0 (150hk diesel). When i bought that one I needed a new secondary car because I hit a deer with the old one. Then it all came down to price and availability. I needed a car quickly, since I use it to get to work, and within the money I had to spend and some criterias, that was the best option for me. So as an originally Mitsubishi man, it pains me a bit to not have a Mitsubishi any longer.
Peugeot has won Le Mans and countless WRC titles and wins. Pretty good pedigree tbf.
Pajero trounced the Paris Dakar race in its class. Multiple years. Meanwhile the teams were rebuilding the entire front ends of each car, nightly. Just to keep them running
The racecars are cool, the "street" cars are all junk 😂 the 205 is the only Peugeot i can respect.
@@joealex65 Nah the 306 GTi was great too. I also quite like the RCZ. And actually a 206 GTi 180 Marty first looked at isn't terrible. MCM are being a bit mean.
206 rally is my favorite rally car of all time.. it was doing well back then
@@ToraxReborn Loeb and Panizzi… legends
Here in the USA, Pennsylvania to be specific. We deal is rust all the time and an angle grinder and/or acetylene torches are a must!
Love the series. Would have loved to see Marty car selection be a more popular car so he could have found more parts in the bin
@@coletrickIe that’s why so far he’s had to buy online. Yea your right
@@coletrickIe 10 M in Australia?
That 206 basically sums up almost all of my journey of modding shit boxes in the UK from 2010 to 2019. Everything is rusted, rounded or corroded or seized every single time.
These videos are amazing. The overview of the coilover specs/price looked great!
Really enjoying this cash vs trash series, takes me back to the driveway build days 😎
Just installed my own set of TEINZ FLEX Z's on my Honda Fit. Mean set of coilovers! Hope Moog likes them too
I had a Peugeot 405 with same type of torsion suspension. The bar is adjustable and hole set up is very good when it comes to 4 wheel adjustment and alignment. I had demon tweeks adjust mine in the uk
I believe the torsion bar has splines and just a case of undoing and moving to lower and still retain the same torsion
Those Nujabes vibes dude, Moog ya keep on slaying the tunes. Awesome series, can't wait for the rest.
Is that the artist????? Do you know the name of the song???
Hope you have a great day
@@thedude7726 The name of the song and the artist was in the video at 8:19
Guy from the rust belt here. Always amazing to see how stumped people are at a little rust.
Here nothing under the car unbolts without a torch and impact gun. And thats after maybe 2-3 winters.
You guys missed a perfect opportunity to show how a torsion bar works and how you can adjust ride height on them.
That's because the show is fake, they're dead shits and I pretty sure
Haltech don't sell heavy duty torsion bar set ups.
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Likely they would need a pro to do it.. I remember doing it on Saxon’s and 306 back in the day. Afternoon job at most
I have done coilover instalation on peugeot 206 and you don't need to take out drive shaft and hub to change front shocks. installation process is basically the same as for golf mk2 or mk3
Marty has truely drawn the short straw on this series haha
Great first few vids I’m looking forward to the rest of them
Not drawn the short straw, this was the whole point for the series to start with, make the Pug look shit, and the Jap dog turd look good.
@@nathanmerritt9739 I don’t think that’s the point of the the series nor was it really my point either but sure
Been watching you guys for years and always thought you guys flew through jobs. Watching you work on the Peugeot reminds me of every single job I've done on my 2004 Landrover Discovery in Ireland!
Absolutely loving this series so far!
Mog ya did a good job of selling this concept to Marty!! It go a little something like this “I’ll pump heaps of cash into mine and make it sick, and you can dumpster dive for snails” haha
Not gonna lie my 206 GTI was a nightmare to lower. Those front shocks are a pain to remove and refit without taking the lower arm off. But I managed it on my driveway in a day. For the rear as people already said it's free and pretty easy of you have the tools.
Ive been watching mcm since i was 15... im 24 now, and its still my favorite UA-cam channel!
16:07
“The ⚓️Submarine⚓️ thing was not us !”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
great series. loving it. thanks MCM. you guys rock
I lowered alot of 106's back in my boy racer days ! if you thought the front was bad wait till the torsion arm is seized in and then the axle bearing shits its pants cause you gotta warm it up haha ! keep up the good work ! :)
Watching from Kenya 🇰🇪 and I enjoy every episode. I love cars modifications.
Phew! I thought you were gunna sctratch the paintwork getting that shock out 😂 mate, more patience than me. I would have set it on fire in a rage. 😤
How good is some solid trash though?
@@killroy2993 why? This is better.
@@killroy2993 You simpin?
Not a whole lot better than getting a sweet deal on some used car parts.
@@killroy2993 Donut = trash, MCM = cash 👊
Heaps good mate
As a French I just want to say that you guys assessment of the different love language on the Peugeot is a perfect match of the reality of how car making evolved in France in general. Peugeot is most likely the most sport efficient and reliable maker compared to Renault and Citroen, but they have sit too long on their pedigree and this 206 model is one of these new era of cars, namely the 2000's (although I know the model start at the end of the 90's). This the era where pretty much all car makers where looking to mass produce for cheaper, and you can surely feel that in the resulting product with cars that are generally not that expensive to fix thanks to a large network of parts dealers, but that are randomly crippled with smalls yet annoying issues. One of my good friends was the proud owner of a 206 RC that he loved to the bits, until a broken gasket that took months to fix made him switch for a Subaru.
I was going to compare y'all to donut media but then there is no comparison! you guys are amazing! ❤❤
that "time" comment at 12:22 is LEGIT! As I get older (nearly 60 now) my time is VERY expensive! I call it my "pain-in-the-ass-fee".
Never found a french car that's easy to work on they always seem to fight with every job taking many times longer than a normal car! Looking forward to seeing the results from the cash to trash series well done guys 👍👍
4 days😅 I remember when we changed the coils on my 206. First time I needed a 7mm Alenkey, on a Sunday. And yes we also cut some things away. Throw the Spare Tyer away. Unnecessary weight.
The Peugeot's setup isn't "complicated", it's just designed in a way to let you better appreciate the superior engineering.
Good episode. I like the more realistic approach for the Swift compared to Donut's High/Low. High/Low is also awesome, but there's not many people out there that are going to dump $50k into a 350Z (or put 4 motors into a WRX)
😂😂
Marty really got the raw deal in this series XD
He chose a shit car. Surely there is vauxhall out there.
@@smartgorilla Vauxhall is the shittiest of them all
To remove the lower control arm (13:11), just grab the brake disk/hub and move it front and back while pulling the control arm down. It will just fall easily with almost no resistance. ahahahah
I used to spend hours doing that in my 205s until I found that. What a nice machine you have there! Can't wait to see them finished!
You know, this would be a good opportunity to create a 206 GTI or Rallye... just saying, it would be quite unique in the Australian scene, you might just have to go to Europe to get parts
12:05 - have got the struts out without undoing the lower control arm.
Stabilizer links are pretty much always single-use items on these, at least in our rusty conditions.
If you are getting awful camber on the back (scrubbing inside the wheelwell) your rear axle bearings are shot and replacing them is a pain.
I'm really enjoying this series. Just sucks that Martys car is so limited in mods available
It's not really though. Only arbitrarily through the "trash" limitation.
Which is a shame, because Marty already spent less than half of what Moog did on the car itself.
If Marty had bought the GTI180 instead it would have still cost less than the Swift and it would be no competition.
Donut?
As someone who's built and raced Peugeot's a LOT - this was absolutely perfect
You can lower torsion bars but it's a pain. You can swap them for GTI 180 torsion bars but it's a nightmare.
Removing the entire front hub is such an old fashioned way of designing anything - all the VAG stuff is a dream as is Merc/BMW.
Drop links for ARB's are basically throw away items, you always angle grind them off - the torx to stop them spinning is garbage and again VAG usually have a flat section for a spanner which just works.
I don't miss it at all
would have been interesting if old mate brought in some expensive to compare to the cheaper options
I really like the wheels fitted to the Purge. They'd look great on my old Audi. They almost have a Rotoform look.
I liked to see the opposite. The slower car getting the best parts and the quickest having the bin parts it will only make the quickest car quicker and the slower car slower
Não é preciso, o 206 vai ser mais rápido ou pouco mais lento, no final de conta
Hi, I'm French and I've been a subscriber for about 8 years and I still have so much fun watching your videos, even this one! 😉😉 I am a mechanic and I completely share your opinion on the 206 🤬
Why didn't you use spring compressors during the extraction on the pug? I've used them before myself to make it easier, do they damage the springs or am i missing something?
You aren't missing anything, you should use spring compressors when doing this.
To remove the suspension arms you can just use a long metal bar/tube between the arm and the subframe, and push down against the subframe, comes out first time every time, to lower the rear beam you just need to remove both torsion bars rotate one spline, or more, each and put them back.
An MCM version of hi low....
LOVE IT
To lower the rear on the pug you need to remove the trailing arms off the torsion bar and rotate them a number of spines..... just changing the shox won't affect rear ride height....
Yeah, exactly, it's like changing a shock insert on a standard MacPherson strut and expecting your ride height to change......
A actually really like the Peugeot, despite how stupid it is to work on.
Thank you for the PTSD flashback to my old GTi, and the absolute arse that put a fuseboard behind the lights meaning the whole bastard front end had to come off to change a fecking bulb
Had JOMs as a temporary measure on my mk2 focus ST/XR5. Discovered 2 broken springs on the standard suspension, 2 days before MOT. 3 week wait for new ford stuff or i could buy the JOMs that day. They lasted on for 3000 miles before i put Konis on. They were solid. Not a huge fan but they do a job.
The funny thing is that when both cars get to the track, the 206 will bite the banana really hard, costing a fraction of the money
Not with that suspension, he will probably be in the first crash barrier. 🤣
@@BlueXonar pre sure the use the 206 for cup cars and they do really well tbh. Some of the best racing I’ve seen is in races like that
@@tikiiee7758 Um, yes, but not a base model with wooden coilovers intended for teenage stance bois.
@@BlueXonar For track use, they should be decent. Cheap coilovers are fine for flat even roads, it's when you actually use them on the street you feel how terrible they are.
@@MrManBuzz They will probably be an improvement over stock, unless the track has a lot of dips and undulations. I was exaggerating a little perhaps, but they really are worth less than the materials they were made from.
Used trash is working well on our S13 racecar, Proof setting up old junk well is more important than top shelf parts just bolted in.
What......cutting springs is illegal? Man its hard to be free there.
Depends on the State.
We have been racing a Peugeot 206 GTi180 at Pheasant Wood Raceway , Marulan in the series originally called ' Cheap Car Challenge' for over 4 years and have used many cheap mod options. Some examples, to get some camber, where the struts bolt in at the top, redrill and move the bolt holes over roughly 25mm to the centre of the car (spring hitting inside guard will determine how far you can go, it needs also bigger hole cut for the top of the strut, we also cut and lengthened the lower control arm (note need some good welding for this) . Added 25 mm spacers on the wheels back and front, removed the aircon compressor, replaced the heavy battery with a smaller lithium battery, could have also put it in the back for better weight distribution. The addition of a limited slip diff is a relatively cheap and easy option, but that will start putting more stress on the gearbox so we have not gone that way. We call our car 'The French Tart' for obvious reasons, you need small fingers working on these cars.
Best budget performance suspension for the 206 with great results is the Eibach lower springs with KYB Ultra SR struts
Loving the new series. It's comical, yet informative. Thank you!
Love it!!! I've had the multi-day love language conversation with my 02' Hyundai XG350L (Hyundai Grandeur, in S.Korea and such) before. Good times. Driver's side CV/Driveshaft has almost zero access to remove it, had to create my own remover for it with a series of chains, a pipe (with a hole drilled through it) and a home made slide hammer to get it out. The excitement was legit after popping the shaft ( haha) from the trans output seal. It bled trans fluid and I cheered like I wounded a monster that was attacking a village. Some cars just like it rough.
Compress spring all the way using the smallest set of spring compressors you can find, undo clamp, split clamp using a chisel, undo hardware up top, compress shock, rotate and exit through rear with wheel pointed inwards at front of the car for extra space. You have enough clearance.
This is a case like in the BMW manual, where they say that to replace the struts on the rear window you have to remove the rear trim, take the whole headliner down, remove the strut ball joint bolt, then fight with it all, when in reality, all you need to do the job is remove the trim around the strut, pop the joint cap off the ball with a long narrow lever and reinstall it the same way. Just because the manual says you're supposed to do it one way, doesn't mean you're ... actually supposed to waste your time doing it that way. I will admit that in the case of the Peugebro, unless you know the exact movements, you'll never get it off the first time. The whole job takes 50 minutes per side if you have an experienced technician with all the right tools.
The rear can be adjusted with the torsion bar (like all torsion bar suspensions) by rotating it in the splines.
It’s so cool you keep reiterating that most of the pain is from not having peugBROs in straya and that this specific car is very rusty and neglected 😅
You can adjust the position of the torsion bars in the rear to lower the Peugeot. You can lower it by 2-3 nicks if you want to do it quick or can set the suspension to where you want if you do it the proper way
Hi everyone looking forward to seeing the finished cars having their race competition.
What is JDM ?
Marty for health and safety reasons you should be using coil spring compressors.
Every British viewer is cheering the pug 206 underdog on.
Every person who learned to drive 10 or so years ago either had a 206 or had a friend who had one.
You can lower the 206 by moving the splines of the torsion bars by 1 tooth, it will lower the car by circa 2,5cm. But will affect the shock absorbers as they will fully compress over bigger bumps. We raised Citroen Xsara by i tooth to get more ground clearance for tow hitch mounted bike rack.
So it is doable but stiffer/shorter shocks are needed.
Boys if you bang spring compressors on the springs *first* and wind them up into the towers you can get them out without taking the hubs or anything off.
Also the standard Peugeot jack handle/wheel wrench in the boot has a flat on it the perfect size for levering open the hub clamping the struts.
Also you hope it's better than the factory with new stuff but those Peugeot dampers were pretty sophisticated - even on the models before the 206 (205/306/405/406 etc) those dampers were tuned by Peugeot themselves, sure they were twin tubes but they had gas bags to separate the air and oil, and even hydraulic bumpstops in the rear (and position sensitive damping in some models on the front) - that's stuff you don't even get on top end aftermarket stuff now without spending 1500-2000 per corner.
Blueline joms are fine for Street cars imo, had them on a golf mk2 and a polo 6n2
As a former Citroen/Peugeot mechanic I can say you never say "oh it is really simple and makes sense" - The dogbones we always changed and cut the old ones.
But for a guy who knows what he is doing it takes 2-3 hours to do the complete spring and damper change ;)
The rear torsion springs can be adjusted. However it does not change the stiffness.
Im from newzealand and iv got a stage 1 suzuki swift zc31s its amazing runs semislicks has a carbon intake with a greddy exhaust system sounds amazing
that feeling of helping ur bros put on fancier and better parts on their car while u still run dirt cheap parts on yours. it hits in many possible way.
Hey Moog, just to let you know, your song Back to You and Me is simply amazing
10:11 you can get djustable drop links trust me they help massivly when lowering and keeping tge anti roll bar level
Our family has a -15 Citroen DS3, the front suspension is similar and it took some time to take it off but could be taken off without removing the hub :) job took about 2h to finish. Similar job on a Volvo took me about 30 min :D
Im running the blueline JOMS on my e46 since last year now. Its a little stiff but its really not bad the thread is not rusting at all and i actually can still adjust it easily