Bait Finesse Distance Shootout
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2017
- How does the $75sgd Tsurinoya XF50L stack up against branded reels almost 10 times the price? I'm officially confused.
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Rod: Abu Garcia Troutin Marquis 566L TE
Reels: Shimano Core51mg7, Shimano Curado 51E, Abu Garcia AE74 Racing, Tsurinoya Whirlwind XF50L
Lure(s): 3g Jig
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Keep the comments coming folks, I'm loving the input and discussions on my shootout videos, many good points and ideas have been raised. This will all go towards helping me refine my shootout methodology to bring you better content and more in depth reviews and comparisons. I had originally planned these videos to be simple shootouts to give everyone a general idea of where this reel stands but after taking into account everyone's comments, I have decided to expand my review process into a short series. I have changed the title of the video to reflect that this is just Part 1.
Could it be the axle material that gives the weight difference, stainless steel vs aluminium or titanium? If it is then the weight is so close to the center of the mass that it wouldn't matter at all. And the weight of the spool it self might be close to the others.
@@darkiee69 thats a very good logical idea, i remembered swapping out a heavy stainless steel axle to an aluminum axle parted from another reel, this made the spool way lighter but i was surprised to find no improved casting distance
The way the BFS spool is constructed may be a bigger factor than total weight! If spool weight is concentrated at or near spool shaft it will have less impact on initial inertia. If outside of spool constructed with less mass, then a heavier spool may actually cast better. Simple engineering.
I remember seeing your videos a while back and forgot to subscribe. I subscribed now, so I do not lose your channel again. Keep it up.
hey man, just discovered your channel and i like wwhat ive watched so far, especially like your honesty, your well balanced point of view. Keep it up
same here brother. just stumbled on this channel like 2 weeks ago and im binge watching vids as they are so informative and chill that i just soak knowledge from here. sad he hasnt posted in 2 years hope hes fine
Great Video. I think BFS reels cast around the same distance for the most part. Where you can notice the difference between low end reels and high end reels is the ease and control of getting distance. I fully enjoy using the 16 Aldebaran BFS with a KTF spool. So easy to get distance with the lightest lures.
A youtuber that know how pointless is a test without anything to compare to. thanks man
Good video, really something to think about.
Great video thanks man. Does bring up questions about spool weight
Perhaps the greater inertia, accounted for the increased distance. The control system of the “budget” reel possibly accounts for the distance. Something that might be of interest is, “How does the lighter spool rod make controllable casts for accuracy, say for casting distances of say more “normal” fishing distances, particularly with lighter of more wind resistant lures?”
Merry Christmas from the US, BCSG!
That's definitely a good point and I'm pretty sure lighter spools will improve accuracy especially making lighter non-aerodynamic lures more manageable. The point about normal fishing distances is really important too, sometimes it's easy to get tunnel vision when testing products and forget that the point isn't the maximum distance but rather the applicable distances in typical fishing situations. Blessed Christmas to you too!
I have the Shimano core, aldebaran bfs, and fishband gh100. I can say from my experience that usually reels with shallower spool and lighter spool tends to cast further. I think a big influence that you may want to consider is the type of braking and how it affects the spool. The core has centrifugal brakes which kicks on harder at the beginning of the cast. The distance might be shorter than magnetic brake reels, but it allows for more flexibility against the wind. May I suggest, instead of doing a video with only 5 casts. Do a video with as many casts as you can while fine tuning your reel until you get a reasonably consistent number. That would eliminate the human error portion out of it because you have fined tuned it to the best of you ability while familiarizing you’re muscle memory to throw your lure as hard as you can. On another note, The aldebaran bfs 16 is probably my favorite reel. You can’t beat it when it comes to the best fine tuning reel. Best problem free reel ever.
hey mate how heavy was the plug/lure you were casting in this shoot out?
I think the weight distribution is more important than most people think. The closer to the center of the the center of gravity is the easier it will turn. Also a narrow spool will be more efficient than a wide one. Overall though I think most expensive reels are going to have a shaft made from light weight material and the cheap ones will probably use steel. The steel shafts will be narrower and possibly easier to get spinning, but more importantly the weight difference will be close to the center and therefore less important to rotational inertia.
The spools with the same weight may have different radial weight distribution. This makes spools inertia different. And inertia is primarily responsible for casting distance with light lures, not just the spool weight.
When you put a lot of force into your cast, of course you're able to cast lures far enough. The Pixy has a 14.5g spool and its considered a finesse reel able to handle 1/8oz lures without any problems. If you want to properly test the spools on a bfs reel, you have to do very light side casts without applying any force. Only then will you notice how much slower the acceleration of a heavier spool will be, and obviously cast with piss poor accuracy.
+SaltF4 great points there, I completely agree, especially when it comes to light flicks and for weights below 2.5g. I wanted to keep the video on topic(as just relative distance shootout rather than an in depth analysis, that'll be saved for the review). But that's exactlt why despite all that I still love my core(and other similar platform shimanos). For general casting light stuff around, all the reels are very functional and would "suffice" as light lure options but like I mentioned in my first impressions video, as much as this reel can handle light lures, my core mg and LTZ just do it "better".
Can't deny that it's still pretty amazing what this $75 reel can do though. I mean, it's $75, can't get too nit picky at that pricepoint, and options are pretty limited if one wanted to dip a toe into bfs at the sub $100 pricepoint, even the used market wont go below $180 for a half decent branded bfs reel. Gotta give it credit.
Good vid. Well i think, ultralight spool of course spins faster with less effort but it requires more brake which is could effect your distance (if not thumbing it right). Tsurinoya may have a bit heavier spool which i think it might not need that much magnet force consistently to control the speed of the spool. I might be wrong might be right. Kindly advise
First of all, thank you for making the video. It's an interesting one.
the one thing that comes to my mind is the line. It could be different line thickness/diameter as well as the the total amount of line in term of how many meter being spool in each reel. However, I could be wrong.
I think what could be a reason is that the high end reels(I will never know due to high cost)usually have the added centrifugal braking feature(pins of some sort or number). If they are working they are having some effect on spool speed at least at the beginning of the cast. Maybe...
What you want to measure is the angular mass (aka moment of inertia) which is different from the normal mass you measure with a scale. This is influenced by the weight distribution radially. For example the shaft can be heavy but adds almost nothing to angular mass since the radius is small. But if outside rim is heavy, it would add significantly to the angular mass. You can test this by measuring how much force is needed to pull the line out. You probably need real sensitive scale and recording capability to record weight change as you pull the line out...
Great video!
The lure used in this shootout is a very compact casting weight flying unresticted through the air, then the spoolweight is not that critical. If the castingweight were a 2.5gram non aerodynamic cranckbait, then maybe the advantage of light spoolweigh would come more into play. Another point is that a magnetic brake can be fine tuned easy for the individual lures weight/aerodynamic profile, while the simple sentrifugal brake on the core is more tuned for overall performance with light lures and maybe a little strong for such a compact casting weight...
Watching your videos again bro miss you
This was reaaaaally interesting wow. Something I just thought about - maybe your choice of rod had an influence too. Because I'm quite certain that the Whirlwind might not have cast as far as it did compared to the other reels if you had used an a bit more stiff rod. The softer rod loads up much more, this may be the reason why the reel cast as far. More force to get it turning, more mass to keep it turning.
Should do a video with the bearing on the spool vs no bearing on the Chinese red reel ....pretty please and even compare it to the phantom pscifun to show the difference between the bfs reel and the most popular reel of the moment
What do you think about Kuying Thunder compare to Tsurinoya?
In my opinion reel guide, type of brake system, bearing, shape of spool (wide or narrow, etc) affect the casting distance.
Lighter spool affect more on accuracy and require less stamina to cast with it.
Try to hit a small target like bottle with side cast, pitch cast, roll cast, overhead cast, diagonal cast and see which is more comfortable.
+Aufar Raden I get that question alot and I have given the answer so many times that I feel bad saying it without a disclaimer first. (I could have just gotten a bad thunder, could be bad qc luck).
I got the thunder with my teton almost 2 yrs ago and it was so bad that I never bothered talking about it at all. And even right now I may not even include it in any budget bfs videos I make. The reel is simply unusable for light stuff, even with the shallow spool. Lets see...
1) drag is jerky
2) line lay is bunched up in the middle
3) spool and reel body gap is so big that I had 8lbs mono(or 10lbs, i cant remember) slip into the gap multiple times, jamming the reel.
4) knobs had insane side to side play
5) minimum drag force is so heavy that I have it fully opened when fishing with the teton, otherwise it would be too heavy drag.
6) the brakes are non existant. I had modify and raise the brake platform to get any reasonable braking force at the maximum setting.
7) cranking isn't smooth out of the box
Completely agree on the accuracy and stamina part, I will definitely explore that and take it into account when I do the review on the reel.
I just started to try BFS using my Casitas fitted with Ray's Studio shallow spool (about $150 SGD setup), I guess it work quite well for lures 1/8 oz and above (limited by my inexperience of course). I'm thinking of getting the scorpion BFS (or XT with shallow spool) but am not sure if I can cast a lot better compare to my current setup (as the cost would be double). It would be nice if you have can compare how the Casitas + shallow spool (cheap shimano BFS setup) fairs with the other reels.
finally put my finger on it. I used to watch a foreign fishing show "Rod and Line" out of malaysia or someplace like that. It was over dubbed in english and you sound a lot like that person.
Never thought of bigger spool also giving lure more leverage to pull, interesting
Shallow spool means lesser line. Lesser line= smaller total spool weight. Deeper spool means more line. More line= higher total spool weight. I think the best combo is light spool weight plus shallow spool combo. Also line choice plays a part. Fluorocarbon is heavier than mono and braid. Just my 2 cents.
The only thing missing was dimensions. Overall diameter and width of the spools and the depth of the spools. Any chance of sticking a ruler across them? Great video as always.
BCSG is almost at 4k! :D
Hi there,when you order the reel, under the spool section did you leave it or choose the 'other' option.kinda confused haha thanks man great video yet again man.
+maverick goose once you select the Low Profile option, the bearing count and spool option should be automatically selected for you so there is no need to worry about that part. Just be sure to select the Low Profile one if you want the reel in this video, and select the appropriate handle side, left or right.
i m using a haibo steed 51/50, honestly i m quite disappointed the construction quality feels not so good and the tension knob is just aweful, would you suggest me to change it for the tsurinoya in case i want to stay in this low budget bfs reels?
Thanks for your test and videos in general, cool stuff thanks
I bought the trulinoya xf 50 for light lures finesse I have not arrived yet but as you can see is a very good quality price reel; trulinoya make many quality products like any spinning reel or some rods and lures at a very low price
Brand new coated braid will cast up to 15% better than well used braid, where the manufacturers coatings have been worn off. I,ve found this, with Daiwa x8 and Berkley Fireline Radial braid. I guess once the coating worn off the braid weave must pick up fine silt and other nasties from the water that stop it flowing off the spool smoothly, and cause extra aero drag. This could help explain the Core and Revo results.
Are you using similar/identical line?
I've felt that when using older or cheap line it can be a lot firmer and stiffer than fresh line which seems to cause line memory to restrict the casting distance but this isn't something I've ever tested.
I assume that the cheap reel has fresh line but your older reels have varying ages of line. This could be something fun to test in the future.
Anyway love the awesome content, keep it up mate.
+Bobbth good catch! I completely forgot to talk about line but only realized after posting the video. I even made a mental note to talk about it in the video but forgot to haha.
All my reels use the same line, Duel Armored F+ Pro. But you are right, they are of varying ages, though because of how this particular line is built, I dont think age would be a huge factor. The tsurinoya is indeed using brand new line, but it's a cheap 4 strand braid which I wanna say won't cast nearly as well as my duel line but I can't make that claim 100%. Line is a finnicky thing, 2 anglers can have completely opposite opinions on the same line, if you get where I'm coming from. The only reason why I dont have the same line on the tsurinoya is cos it's so expensive hahaha. Maybe in the future ill do all my tests with a cheap mono that I can spool across all my reels.
These reels arent made for distance casting. I would fully expect the reel with the heaviest spool to cast the farthest. If you went back and did the test over with a lighter rod, throwing a crankbait half the weight and aiming at a target 50 feet away (what these reels are designed for) you may get entirely different results in which reel performs better. I have an original Liberto Pixy and this reel wont let you bomb casts...throw it too hard and the brakes will literally lock the spool. On a nice soft cast i can throw a standard paper clip a respectable distance. Great videos, I appreciate all the work you do.
Have you tried a lighter spool in that tsurinoya? Or the heavier lure in the other reels?
BCSG Fishing, try SeaKnight POTM , its cheaper , same magnetic brake , lighter and with carbon fiber handle
I bought the TSURINOYA whirlwind and wonder if anyone has found a knob cover that fits and it comfortable?
does bfs just allow further casting with lite lures or does it imrove action of bait.?
Another test for spool weight importance would be to repeat test with 1.5g total weight of lure. One would think the lighter spools would place first at that weight.
+southpaw619 oh I can answer that without even testing it on video cos I have already tried it. Lowering it to 1.8g and below would instantly eliminate the tsurinoya and 3 of my 5 bfs reels haha, the LTZ included. At least at my skill level that is the case. This is something i intend to cover when I do the actuall review of the reel.
BCSG Fishing Thanks, I am curious to know how low tsurinoya can go
While I have no doubt that a lighter, larger diameter spool, with perfectly balanced brakes make it easier to cast small lures, the human factor is by far the biggest influence on the cast. Reel manufacturers have a vested interest in convincing the customer that design and technology are far more important than they actually are. They look for easily quantifiable characteristics that they can point to and say "our products are x much better than the competition". For instance I would be willing to bet that weight distribution is at least as important as the weight itself, but it is harder to demonstrate in an advertisement. When you take a look at the equipment our grandfathers fished with, you would think they never caught any fish based on what the marketing departments are saying. The truth however is that our grandfathers did just as well if not better than we do with their "useless, antiquated equipment" because the fisherman's knowledge is his best tool, and they were just as confident in their "state of the art equipment" at the time. They were so successful in fact that we are required to follow all sorts of bag limits and catch and release only fish because they nearly caught the fish into extinction with equipment that we would consider a handicap!
may i know the size,width and diameter of the tension knob? does it have clicking sound?
Hey bcsg! The wish app has a bfs reel for less than 20$ American. I wonder if it is at least as good as the tsurinoya? The one on wish is from sougayilang.
Have you tried one of the good new bfs reels like the 2016 aldebaran bfs or the scorpion bfs? I have a chronarch 51 with a microcast spool and it casts well but I wonder how much better the real good new bfs reels are. Btw I really enjoy your vids
+dominikk85 I have tried the alde bfs and scorpion bfs. Strangely when I tried the alde bfs in 2016 I didnt like it at all, but when I tried the scorpion bfs more recently, I loved it. I'm keen to give the alde another try to see what I think of it the second time round. The scorpion casts at least just as good as my core 51 mg7 so I'm pretty sure the alde would be just as good if not better.
Can you recommend an rod for the reel ?
Hi ..since its a bfs shootout wud be nice tying lure/jig straight to mainline as leader i felt will affect the distant.Economy bfs reel is great but high end reel is so much fun if you know what i meant.Good effort n nice vidz though!!
i want find budget reel.i cannot find this model sell it..can have you try kastking product..
What do you think about seaknight POTM?
Theses new reels out now when are you going to test them and the rods Aldebaran bfs Calcutta dc daiwa air ABU Garcia revo I think it’s it
Why is the Tsurinoya XF50 spool weight more ? Is it the material it's made out of ? the design?
The weight of your setup. The tsurinoya is heav=xier so you can swing it harder just like how it's harder to swing a piece of paper over a bat =x
The answer is physics the rotational mass is more important than the mass of the spool if the spool is lighter on the outer side of the spool the center can weigh whatever the manufacturer want and still cast well
+Victor Franqui that is a very valid and interesting point, that could be it. I doubt a company like tsurinoya did it knowingly though, they probably just got lucky and ended up with a heavier spool construction that was light enough on the outer side to cast light lures well haha.
BCSG Fishing your underestimating Chinese ingenuity my friend you already know that people have a very long history of first this and first that,and thanks to Mao that people haven't taken over the world, actually I think they are today where the Taiwan and Japan was about 60 to 50 year's ago you know that people are smart and very aggressive business people just wait for a couple of years more and watch how they catch up to the big dog's
By the way you can put a carbon handle and ceramic bearings on this reel i have some in my favorite list
Are you selling your modded Curado?
I have been researching BFS reels and I have found a new one one the market in Europe, the
2018 Wombat 71 BFS from Sakura, it looks interesting as is just over 1/3 the cost of the the Aldebaran. I can't find much information on the reel, it would be interesting to know if the reel is Sakura's own design or another reel that has been re-branded.
I came here trying to find info for that reel! :)
Price is good, comes with 2 spool, standard and BFS, price arround 200€… But, no info at all.
This was the only one i found.
www.angel-kniffe.com/sakura-wombat-71-bfs-review/
How many yards is that ?
hi. How often do you oil the Air bearings? I suppose you're using Alchemy oil
+Hitchslap yep I use alchemy oil but not on all my reels, and it really depends on how often I use the reel. Only 3 of my reels have air/air bfs bearings and those are the ones I use most often, so I'd say every couple of weeks more or less, or every 3-5 sessions, or if I feel something's off, it really depends. I don't have a strict fixed maintenance cycle that I follow if that's what you are asking. The curado see's the most love cos it just happens to be the one I use most often.
The rest of my bfs reels use china knock off ceramic bearings, and I definitely don't oil those as often, and I dont use alchemy oil in those or any of my other reels with stock bearings. Just the regular shimano bantam oil. My other reels likewise are also oiled only as used/needed, tho I do try to take them apart annually. Key word being "try" haha.
I enjoyed your video very much. I have the XF50 and a Kuying Teton TTC 662 on order! It would be great if you could do a rod comparison/test. Buying a BFS/UBF rod is strictly a mail-order choice for someone here in the USA. And most of the offerings are brands we are unfamiliar with here. Thank you for the excellent videos!
This might be old, but there are plenty of BFS worthy rods to be found here in the US, and some are really cheap. If you need a cheap BFS rod ASAP, look at UL,L,ML rated spincast / push button reel, rods at places like walmart,Cabelas,BPS, ect. I got a shakespeare micro graphite series 4'6 UL spincast combo for around 18$ at walmart, just for the rod, and ordered the 2 piece 5'6" L version of the rod on amazon for around 20$. I also got a zebco slingshot 2 piece spincast 5'6 ML rod for somewhere around 11$ just for the rod. It works fine for BFS, even though it's not the most lightest handling, balanced rod out there. I been catching fish on these cheap rods with BFS reels for awhile with no problems. Right now I have a Shimano Scorpion BFS XG, on the 4'6" rod, spooled with 6 lb braid. That combo is so light, and is a pleasure to cast! I have one of my 2 xf50s on the 5'6" micro graphite rod, and its fun to cast as well.
out of curiosity, what's the key defining feature of a baitcaster being considered a "finesse" reel? for example, what makes one better for that than another, other than the obvious of being able to cast an ultra light lure?
For the most part, having a light shallow spool. You can get after market shallow light spools, for some existing popular baitcasting reels, and use them as BFS reels. I have such a spool for my Tatula CT, and it works great for light stuff.
What do you think of the new Shimano Scorpion BFS XG? I have seen it for about 200€ (230 USD) in new condition and it looks quite promising
+Tim Rauhmeier I don't own one but I have had a good session handling it, I was pretty impressed from that limited time with it, I got to test out a 2g metal jig and a 2.8g minnow. Casting was smooth and it was overall a pleasure to use.
There was one little thing tho and I'm not sure if it is universal on all scorpion bfs reels or just the reel I got to try, the drag star goes from fully open to fully locked down in just under 3 turns. I have never used a reel that goes to full lock down that quickly. Not a good or bad thing, just something I thought was worth mentioning.
+Tim Rauhmeier that's a really good deal btw, it's about $30 less than the cheapest I have ever seen one, in new condition.
I have two older reels that may be suitable for BFS/UBF: the Daiwa PX Type R and the Daiwa SV105. I never see mention of those reels in these discussions. Are they viable?
Hey unfortunately I don't know much about daiwa reels, tho I do believe the px type r is the same or at least similar to the px68, which from what I gather is definitely capable of casting light stuff.
I would like to see all those casting reel with filled German new Gliss line its not braid its like silk & cast a mile ,& very abrasive resistant.........
Tsurinoya is one of the best brand made in China. And these days made in China does not always mean crapy product. Yes, you still have risks of buying some crapy things at price, but you still have chance to get some really high quality at really good price. You just need to be very careful on choosing them. I have a tsurinoya spinning reel, that is surprisingly good. Reels smoothly, drag smoothly, parts connected firmly, casts really easy. It is surely a bargain that I bought it for just around ¥400 Chinese Yuan, don’t know SG dollar value so you figure out. The only downside of that reel it the spool drag cap has a “normal” handle which will catch line sometimes, so next casting will more likely to cause snag. I have grinder the corner off, sand and polish it. Now most of the problem gone. I think the main quality of these Chinese made top brands are as good as other country, they just lack of experience of perfect their product with better design. It is good for us to benefit from the cost cutting down due to the intense competition going on over manufacturing industries in that country.
I think a lot of the casting performance comes down to the rod. But thats just my opinion.
May i know what line weight do you use for these reels?
+Ernest Koe I use Duel Armored F+ pro on the 2 shimanos and the abu(for this shootout. I do have other spools with different line that I swap out sometimes). The curado and abu are pe0.8(15lbs) and the core is pe0.6(12lbs).
The tsurinoya is using a regular pe0.8 4 strand braid bought from the same aliexpress shop as I got the reel. The pictures in the video show it spooled with FC because I only took the pictures a few days after the shootout and I had swapped the main line to FC to try it out.
I really like your comparisons. But I have the same issues with your field measurements as I do with reel test. (I've spent probably 1000hours on the field measuring casting performance. Wheel measures don't read consistently on grass....(borrowed my friend who's in commercial real estate....) And I have the digital version of that line counter. And it reads inconsistently. Plus i can't tell if you're measuring all the line cast or reeling up all the slack.
The only proper way to measure is casting in line to a target. That does multiple things...It forces a true cast to be made...Not a random heave without control which can give greater distances..but it's wayy of line. And it's the true distance of flight.
That however takes a rediculous amount of time......And multiple cameras to film the landing of the bait.
I've said it before...most reels will throw within 10% of one another. However if you go down to 1.5 grams.....You'll probably start seeing noticeable differences. And bearings really don't make much of a difference....SNAKE OIL!!
And back to what i mentioned earlier about having to aim inline to a target.....It's there you'll probably find a difference in bearings and reels....As they'll come out at a more traditional release point.
Great stuff! Keep up the great work!
+Tackle Advisors That's a great idea! I always felt that casting at targets like cups or bottles test the skill of the angler more than the performance of the reel, which defeats the purpose of the test. But I've never thought of it from the perspective of "forcing an actual cast to be made", I'll definitely look to do that for the review video. It may take a few cameras but it can be done I think, I'll figure something out.
I put about a dozen days in the field earlier in the spring (wind wasn't my friend) Best bet is to pick up a cheap package of colored cones. Set them up at ranges appropriate to the baits thrown. And set them up wide in case you go off line. I had a camera about 10' up on a pole which gave a wider field of view. But even with that setup unless you walk out each cast it's tough to see. But it's more telling than letting casts rip and just measuring where they fall. After about 100 casts......it gets even more frustrating lmao...
This setup was my first attempt. I have hours of footage with about 10 other reels because I found all the reels performed so closely. I stopped. If you are a competent caster you can go very low in braking. And when you get very low in braking......the results get much...much closer ((know what i mean??))
The other field sessions i had more cones and the camera set out on the side....up about 15 feet. Which offered a bit better perspective and more accurate splash down distance identifications.
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Did you ever see the video of the shimano guy throwing the antares dc and the frog....claiming it went 300 feet? He used that same line counter as you.....And being someone who has spent tons of time on the field....and tons of time throwing 100 yard lobs in the surf......That cast that he claims went 100 yards....maybe only went 60
Additionally, if it helps (as a fellow youtuber I find it interesting where and how my views/ subs find me)....Up until 4 days ago. You're videos never once showed up in my suggested or up next youtube panel. Now you are! So keep up whatever you're doing! Great stuff! Glad to have found your channel! Subbed!
I cast in an American football field. I can measure the distance easily.
I wont believe a frog flies 100 yards with no wind until i step it off myself!
Are there any tuning spools for the tsurinoya fx 50?
+Fisch Freak not to my knowledge unfortunately. They have a deep spool option but you'd need to buy the entire reel and select the deep spool to get it.
I think casting distance has to do with the flywheel effect, google it to see what I mean
Would the shimano chronarch ci4 + be a good bfs reel when modified?
+Fishallday99 I think it would be functional at best. Having modified most of my shimano reels I'd say(with respect to only shimano reels), alot of it depends on the base size of the spool. Almost all mid tier to high end shimano reels have aftermarket ultralight shallow spools available but spool sizes differ from reel to reel and with larger base spool sizes naturally comes more spool weight, among other things. The chronarch ci4 is a 100 or 150 size reel if memory serves and that means even the best shallow ultralight spools would probably clock in at over 10 or 11 grams, maybe more.
SaltF4's comment below carries lots of truth to it in the sense that simply being able to cast a light lure doesn't make a reel a proper bfs reel, accuracy and ease of casting are big factors too.
BCSG Fishing Thanks i will keep that in mind. I love the vids and i like that you review the jdm and the bfs side of the bass world👍
Your core is last cause of hedgehog bearings, oldest reel and probably oldest bearings, those micro bearings don't last very long.. i use orange seal ceramic from aliexpress, maybe they perform ~5% worse but atleast you don't need to change them after couple months. :)
Hallo. Have you Testing the SeaKnight POTM ?
Regards Uwe
Hey! Don't bother with the seaknight, it's a really bad reel. I have one and I know a few folks who have also tried it. All of us reached the same conclusion that it isn't worth using.
Ok...the x50 is on the way to me😬
What for a Fishing line do you have in the test on the x50?
Regards Uwe
Y don't u try pitching casting style in ur shootout test for u to understand better what bfs reel is all about?
Spool speed (rpm) small diameter spools must spin faster than larger ones giving them higher rotating speeds as line comes off the spool
Spool weight lighter spools spin with less weight applied but slow faster than heavier spools. Small slightly heavy spools require more weight to begin spinning however; maintain more energy because they store more inertia because of their heavier weight.
Spool diameter light larger diameter spools spin slower and have less inertia momentum than heavier small diameter spools.
Breaking force large diameter light spools spin slower and their lightweight design makes controlling smooth breaking more difficult. Only a small change in breaking pressure will slow the spool quickly. Breaking force is easier to regulate on a slightly heavy spool because the spool is less susceptible to minute changes in breaking. Strong changes in breaking provide a slow smooth stop at the end of the cast because of the extra weight of the spool.
The advantage of a light spool is only important for casting the lightest of lures. That advantage shrinks to zero when lure weight hits 3.5-grams or more. Casting lures below 2-grams accurately is difficult for spinning tackle or baitcasting tackle. The useful range of lightweight lures is limited to shallow water and light current or no current. To make 1.5 and 1-gram lures useful in deep or fast moving water you must add more weight. Tusrinoya sells a casting rod rated for 1 to 6-gram lures. (C562UL) Combine this rod with a XF-50 and it does a good job casting lures from 2.5 to 6-grams. Reduce the 6lb braided line on the spool to 50 or 60-meters and it works even better. The safe range of lures to prevent excess wear or damage is 1.5 to 12-grams told to me by Tusrinoya reps. I did some research on other reels and -discovered 10-gram limits on other models using lighter spools. If you read this comment, I want you to know I hope to see you make some more videos in the future. By the way, this is my opinion and I do not profess being an expert of any type.
Bos..kuying thunder baitcasting vs trulinoya xf50..witch one tu recommended to buy..
+Shahrul Asuszen5 xf-50 any day bro
BCSG Fishing mantap bro..
Top video my friend" BFS is getting really big in uk England and just starting myself! Whot is the best BFS reel on the market out the box you can buy today? no price limit
+jonny jones thanks! Hmmm... That's a tough one cos everyone has a favourite brand, mine is shimano so i'd have to say the Aldebaran bfs xg or the Conquest bfs xg. I have not used the conquest before but all things point to it being essentially the round profile version of the Aldebaran bfs, so if it casts just as well it'll be great too. Alternatively the Abu BF7 and BF8 are really popular choices too but the type of mag brakes used in Abu's doesn't suit my casting style.
Then we have daiwa, which I know virtually nothing about and despite personally knowing a few diawa fans, none of them use daiwa bfs reels I have not heard very much chatter on Daiwa's Air line of reels and that can't be a good thing. It doesn't help that their reels carry a strong recommendation against using braided lines for fear of spool failure.
You asked for out the box so those are some of the best available, throw in a bearing upgrade here, a cosmetic upgrade there and those reels pretty much have you covered for virtually anything bfs. However, I'd have to add that I personally feel better performance can be found on the aftermarket side of things like bfs kits from KTF, ZPI or Avail. Sometimes being able to modify a platform that you are most comfortable with will net better overall performance and a better experience, as is the case with my Core 51mg7, Chronarch 51E, Curado 51E and Scorpion 1001XT.
Hope this helps!
top reply my friend and helps me lots to hear from you a guy that knows his BFS fishing!iv just paid for a 16 shimano Aldebaran bfs xg " going to look if you can tune these high end baitcaster reels as cannot find anything on web about parts for 16 aldebaran
+jonny jones check out www.hedgehog-studio.co.jp they carry lots of cosmetic parts for the alde bfs, as well as really good bearings in the form of the Air BFS or regular Air series bearings. The spool and brake technology on the alde is still too new so i dont think after market spools will be out for it anytime soon, but the stock spool is more than capable enough to handle anything down to ~2g.
Ty... I just bought it from that link haha
Which BFS reel is the best? What is your advice? Should I buy a new BFS reel or modified my 2009 Aldebaran MG7 with BFS spool? Thanks for Answer.. :)
You should look and compare base on budget too. as long as the spool below / equal to 9 gram you will be alright
+Taha DOĞAN i think the most cost effective and best way would be to buy a bfs spool and maybe bfs bearings(not necessary though) for your Alde mg7. The 09 Alde mg is identical to my Core mg except for colour so I can wholeheartedly say that the result if modifying it is very very worth using.
No budge trouble..
Modified 09 Alde more logical than buying Daiwa Alphas Air.. Cost is half.. Thanks for answer..
I have a 09 Mg7 with HH BFS spool + hybrid SIC spool bearing for years, it works great even for metal jig under 2 gram, but do remember its not only reel spool or bearing are important but also the rod/line to match your own casting style
After watching this video I have to say that this is pretty good!! The quality is good and the sound effect too! It's just so perfect!!Anyway keep trying I'm sure you will be successful one day..Also it would be great if you could watch my videos!
for me, far casting is not the most important thing. ACCURACY! The spool acceleration. THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT. If i have no space behind me and I have to do a very low skipcast under trees, I need fast spool acceleration.
I think you may need to do a blind test you should hook up with a some other You Tuber and roll with this Ideal.. Thumbs up to this Vlog....
You always say in your videos spool weight do matter in Bfs casting
Now thats is for me mindblowing to see this 19 or 20 grams spool and see no differens in distance with standard bearings.
Big mistake in thinking and nobody know the real fact and why this is possible . Only can say then this reel is also smooth as expensiv other reels or is this the commercial outcome and that is why i dont use the brandname again in this comment.
I saw another video that was also a shoot out. He say maybe the heavy the spool the fast or longer it spin once it started. This a very logical it seem.
+Raymond Ang yep that def is logical!
It's a fake daiwa tatula ct type r
With all due respect, but the last 8 minutes of this video is nothing more than a lot of bullocks. You are mistifying something that is proven in phisics: given the same odds you will allways get the same results! Any decent reel with a fully loaded spool that is 19g or less, of course, will perform the same. Just try, for example, KastKing Stealth that is an ordinary reel with a lightweight spool of just 12.5g or around 19g when fully spooled up. I tried it myself and got more or less same results as in your shootout.
You guys on UA-cam should get facts straight out while pushing a little too hard this big, bulky, heavy and a little bit slow outdated reel that has a lot better, lighter and faster alternatives for same price or even less.
The sad truth is that Tsurinoya has gone the same path as Abu Garcia: offering a well known brand name with some crapy models that resemble better reels for less money, pouring a lot of dirt and disgrace on their competition.
The real question that is here: Do you really want to put an almost 200g reel on a fine delicate ultralight rod that is much under 100g. What is the point in UBF then?
Of course, if you find yourself offended, I will delete this comment as I did on The Reel Test where the other guy worked his guts out in effort to promote Tsurinoya XF 50 as the Trout reel!