I own a BB58 and honestly there isn’t a single thing I dislike about it. Tudor’s value for money proposition in today’s market is incredible, what you get for your money feels almost unmatched
I got my BB58 a year ago and have worn it nearly every day since! Got to say, I think I prefer the snowflake hands and round hour markers to either mercedes hands or square hour markers, but I can definitely understand your opinion on them. Thanks as ever for the great vid!
There was an original Tudor Submariner issued to the Canadian Navy in the early 1980's that had the same hand/dial configuration as the bb58, a lot of people don't know this & assume tudor came up with this for the bb. I think it looks fine & I actually prefer it to the Mercedes hands!
Loved this show!! What an amazing setting and views! Well done on getting out there!!! We’re the airports empty??;) having not delved into the vintage market yet(it’s coming;) the BB58 is by far the best NEW diver I’ve owned or reviewed in terms of value, spec , brand history and SIZE!!! Drilled lugs would definitely have been nice . I think they need a distinction from The Pelagos and not just the size, having the Snowflake and traditional Subby markings homages (which is what it’s aim is) the roots of the beginnings and the moment Tudor became its own dive watch. One day I look forward to handling an old Tudor Subby! I’ll pop round one day;)
Love mine. Love the lack of complications, simple design, low-key presentation, excellent reserve, and freakishly accurate time keeping. Also like the respect it gets from watch people.
I didn't begin to understand this watch until I saw it in person. I didn't begin to lust over it until I tried it on. I don't know if I have ever put on a watch which wore so well and complimentary. Surely no other dive watch has felt so natural on my wrist. Excellent video, TGV.
Lake Como was my first stop in Italy when I was just 16 for soccer tournaments. This episode really brought back some good memories. I love how your channel has developed over the years. Onwards and upwards!
Thank you my friend, you will be glad to know the next watch review cost 10% the price of this. I will always try to cover all levels, it would get so boring just luxury watches, besides, most of the fun to be had is with the most affordable watches IMO. Best regards, TGV
@@theurbangentry Tristano, The way you review all levels of watches is one of the things that makes your channel the premier watch enthusiast channel on YT. Do you remember when everyone freaked out a few years ago because they were afraid you were "selling out" or at least moving to only high-end watches? Of course it was flattering, only because they did not want any messing about with your format. I like it when you wander off and talk about coffee, clocks, clothing, whatever. Thanks for doing what you do so well. Safe travels, Ian
I only just purchased the BB58 last week after waiting more than a year and to be fair I do feel it lacks something. In saying that, how many times do you hear people say the same thing about the Rolex sub. I will consistently wear the BB58 for the next month where I do think my feelings will change considerably, as I do find the watch extremely comfortable to wear. Keep up the good work!
The most worn watch in my collection, mainly due to its versatility and no fear of knocking it about vs. Other more precious / expensive items. Love it on the Tudor fabric.
Beautifully made video. I own a BB58 and love it. I like the snowflake hands which are far easier to read than Mercedes hands. The combination of the traditional Sub dial indices and snowflake hands works for me. Mine is on a leather strap (and the leather enhances the warm gilt tones of the dial far better than the steel bracelet). I would have liked spring bar holes in the case.
@@theurbangentry Thanks TGV. Stunning scenery in Italy.You are so blessed to be able to work and travel in such beautiful places.Watches quite beautiful also.I hope your next trip to Italy allows you time to send us some footage also. SEIKO IS KING !!!
It's a good grail hope you get it one day never listen to naysayers get what you love don't eva listen to anyone but you on what you wear because at the end of the day its your money your body the watch goes on your wrist no one else and when you get it wear it in good health.
As MC said your grail watch will change many times, but don’t be influenced too much what other people tell you. There are thousands to choose from hence why we all have different tastes. You buy what you want to buy!
As a BB58 owner, I entirely agree with your synopsis. For me, most of the "negatives" have been avoided by wearing it on straps... I just with they'd have gone with the "lollipop" hand set found on some vintage Subs, it would've maintained the Tudor heritage and kept the Mercedes hand haters at bay! As a daily wearer, I suits me perfectly. Mine's just as frequently on boats and in the sea as it is in meetings and restaurants. Considering the swap to a two tone pre-ceramic Sub soon however.
TGV, funny you should post about this watch. I've been eyeing this exact model for some time now and this is just the video I was looking for. Thank you. BTW as per our recent conversations and your previous video, I purchased the Holben alligator straps for my vintage Omega Seamaster that we discussed and I absolutely love it. Hope your trip to Italy is a great success. Onwards and Upwards!
Thank you my friend. I am so pleased to hear the strap recommendation was useful. I can't tell you how great Holben's have been to me as a faithful customer myself, the way they organize their website and have the best stuff makes it difficult not to buy everything! Enjoy your Omega! 😎🥂 Best regards, TGV
Great video my friend! Very nice scenery indeed. I've had my BB58 for a few weeks now and I love it. Very accurate. Like you said, more positives than negatives. The rivets don't bother me at all but I feel like the bracelet could be improved with the addition of half links and also an adjustable clasp. The half link issue was solved by Uncle Seiko; they manufacture and sell them specifically for the BB58. The bracelet now fits perfectly. Cheers!
I just got the 41mm version, the standard Black Bay, the other day as my first luxury watch and I must say - Tudor has really done something quite special with these in my opinion. The gilt dial just makes my day! Fantastic content as always, TGV.
@Harry Donovan Ha! You’re right. I never even realized one was rose and the other was yellow. They both look great to me though. And don’t let the sizing fool you. My wrists are not large at all, but as long as the lugs don’t overhang, I’m good with it. All comes down to personal sizing preference though.
Hi Chubby, Just curious, to why you got the 41mm version, was your wrist size small? I was thinking of 43 mm watches and above but my wrist size is small and may overkill the whole look
As so often is the case, you have perfectly articulated my misgivings about Tudor’s Black Bay range which I’ve always somehow felt but struggled to quite know why? Maybe my weeny 6.5” wrist is a factor here but the only current Tudor that speaks to me is the BB 36mm and, even though I like that a lot, there’s still something that causes my trigger finger to rest a while.
Hi TGV, awesome video! Always a highlight of my day. I’m still saving for a Tudor for my graduation soon-I’d like to see how the new MN Tudor wears, too! Anyways, I was reading an article on the dial and hand combination of the black bay and was surprised to see that it is an actual combination used by Tudor, and there are old ads of it. I can’t wait to see your review of the FXD. Hope you enjoyed Italy!
Thank you so much Maximillian, and your comment made mine! I saw that very same ad you speak of, but the watch is even more elusive, I can't seem to find proof it ever actually existed. So glad you brought it up. Best regards, TGV
Hey Tristano, you lucky traveller! Don't miss a ride on one of these fabulous RIVA boats. There is a restoration area by the lake and you sure will find an opportunity to drive one - at least as a passenger. When I was a little boy, I used to water-ski behind such a mahagony beauty. I still remember the sound of the big Chrysler Marine V8 engine.................and the punch of that thang. 😂😂😂
I had an aversion against Tudor for the longest time. It was too close to the Rolex sub. But in the new size, in house caliber and having bought my Sub TT, I’m definitely warming up to this one. I like the size and the colorway. Besides, the price is a huge plus. I don’t care about hypes at all.
100% agree on the design point and the car analogy is perfect - to me the BB58 feels like when the Mini was relaunched (and maybe the new Defender), while a lot of care clearly went into the design it felt derivative and almost childish compared to the original
Outstanding production with an eloquent review of the Black Bay 58 and Lake Como background sets this off as the best review of BB58. Thanks TGV aka the Guv’nor for those who know!!
Would you say there’s “that something” missing from this watch that just leaves you unsatisfied? Interested in hearing your thoughts on the Lorier Neptune (which I already know you love) compared specifically to this watch… I know the quality and specs aren’t the same however I feel the micro in this case does have that certain something!
I own both , the Lorier is a very nice watch that probably wears slightly better on the wrist than the bb58, albeit a touch smaller. I don't find there is anything missing from the tudor in terms of design it's a great watch. I do find that the dial on the bb58 is more dynamic than the Lorier though. I have the blue version & the colour changes depending on the light & can look amazing. The Lorier has a gloss navy dial which doesn't look that great in low light conditions. You can't go wrong with either watch though, they are both great!
@@moorwatch9654 I was just thinking about that earlier actually lol. It's hard to say really, visually the Lorier looks better in that it has a more vintage aesthetic. However the Tudor is less reflective weirdly, as plastic is generally less reflective than sapphire & it's more practical, as obviously it won't scratch. So looks go to the Lorier but the Tudor is the more practical option. Hope that helps!!
I own the BB58 in gilt and I definitely enjoyed your review. For me the rivets are not an issue or no divers extension. I simply keep mine on a strap. If on the bracelet which is rare I will wear going out to a show either at the Kennedy Center or special occasions. Just in case if anyone has issues with the bracelet needing that little extra go ahead and order that Uncle Sieko half link. You won’t be disappointed. As for the snow flake hands and rounded markers I can agree with except for one thing. When scuba diving or snorkeling I can see the hands much clearer than I can with my 5 digit sub and Mercedes hands so For that reason I learned to love the BB58 handset. Lastly, the BB58 gilt really shines under candle lit environments and has a warmth to it in that environment. Not sure if you have experienced it in that situation. I have to also add with this the last two videos were great! This review was spot on and glad you were able to experience the watch. Keep those videos coming!
I have owned a 58 since May, I‘ve put it on a very nice rubber strap designed for the 58 by Vanguard & it’s become my daily watch, far lighter & easy to wear all day vs my omega seamaster (my first proper nice watch from 2013) but the main thing for me is how well it keeps time, mine looses less than 1 second a day.
Finding 5 dislikes with a rather traditional 1K+ piece honestly sounds like a challenge in itself. Something serious like questionable bezel action or poor finish would be quite embarrassing for Tudor.
I own the BB 58 925 (the sterling silver variation), and I think it's really the best one of the bunch (including the solid gold and green model that I find rather loud and ugly, not to mention astronomically expensive). Aside from the shimmering silver case and stunning taupe dial and bezel insert, the 925 completely avoids the pitfalls of the metal bracelet by being made available only with a strap ... in my case a deep, dark brown leather strap. It's absolutely beautiful. Oh, and it has a see-through case back, which makes it kind of rare for a Tudor to say the least. I would have preferred the traditional solid case back, but I guess Tudor didn't want to make one in sterling silver for whatever reason. Nevertheless, it's a fantastic watch, and really the only BB 58 I would care to buy.
I love the tie-in with Duncan near the end. Makes the whole thing nicely connected but breaking the chronological order of events. Kudos TGV, you really know your stuff!
Great video . I love my BB58 I also love Italy. It has been 25 years and I still dream of Venice . I will never forget Florence . I'm a history nut and Rome is so amazing . Keep up the good work. Thanks .
Firstly, how cool is it that you get to be in Italy - even if it is for work (guessing it's enjoyable work too). I'm a bit envious. We haven't been to Italy for a few years and really miss it. As for the BB58 - it's tempting. I owned the original BB some years back. I liked it but found it just a bit too slab sided. The size didn't bother me (7in wrists) but wished it had a bit more refined profile. Perhaps, due to it's thinner build the slab sidedness won't be such a problem with the 58. I do wish they'd kept the rose emblem on the dial though. So much more romantic. And I agree - the fake rivets on the bracelet are a bit silly. Enjoy your trip, looking forward to the next video! Ciao, John
Thank you John. Very true about the slab sided, certainly one thing my Tudor subby does not suffer from so I totally get it. Totally agree about the Rose, but you know that already 😎🥂 Grazie amico. Best regards, TGV
The BB58 just has the right proportions and materials. That red marker is such a nice touch, along with the slightly rose gold. Also like was mentioned it goes with so many straps.
The right proportions for people with a 6.5 to 7" wrist but completely the wrong proportions for someone with a 7.5"+ wrist. Over 8" and you can forget about it.
I have to say.. I loved the shots of your surroundings more than I did the watch. What a stunning place! So one black bay 58 and one trip to Lake Como added to my ever growing wish list. Nice vid! 🍻
Hi Tristano, glad to see you enjoyed the quick work trip here in Italy. The bb58 is, in my opinion, a real banger. I consider it the true heir of the dear old sub, a watch that can be purchased by pretty much everyone (if you save some money) and that will always be on point no matter the outfit or the occasion. Big love from Italy, ci vediamo il prossimo anno
Tried the BB58 (Blue version) on a few weeks ago and it was fatal. I've already got far too many watches but it was love at first sight/ wear. I'm having to work very hard not to just go and buy it... I'm going to try and give it 6 months and see if the love wears off.. but I just don't think it will.
Your point about modern watches being technically superior but somewhat cold is a very important and interesting point. One could say modernism itself with its high tech materials is also somewhat cold and uninviting. This means that modern watches with some history and passion have an edge. Perhaps that's why old, defunct brands enjoy such love from the gentry. Their history warms them up and provides a depth of feeling that modern engineering, for all its brilliance, struggles to achieve. Enjoyed your video!
Fabulous video! Love the scenery and your cinematic instincts are always top-notch. So glad to see you got a director gig! Something about the bb58 seems a little too trendy to me. The bb-gmt is a real stunner though in person, my favorite tudor so far.
Wow…Lake Como! Was watching an episode of *Il commissario Montalbano* last night, so you might say that warmed me up for this surprise video from you. The GMT Roller is nice but I'm warming up much more to both the Tudor BB and (far more approachable for me from a cost standpoint, natch) Squale TGV. Nice representation of your collection you've taken "on tour." Haven't settled on a diver at the moment, but I'm pretty dead-set on 40mm max diameter. Glad the trip turned out well, and that you had fun, even while away on business!
OMG, I adore that show. I would love to live in a house like his and swim on that beach every morning. Thank you Barrett, awesome comment. Best regards, TGV
@@theurbangentry Right? Having a dip before that first cup of coffee (and the inevitable phone call from Catarella). Right now, I'm a little late for dinner. ;-)
Watching this vdo in 2024...and enjoying it...bought this watch few days back, and now excited to wear it soon...it will possibly be my last "big" watch buy...each watch has its own story to tell and the history is always fascinating....
Great video! I see the air Max went on the trip as well 😉🍻. Also, I love the 58 it's one of my favorites in my collection. I also recently collaborate with Carl Friedrik in my last video and I have to say I love their leather goods 💯👍very good!!
I spent 6 weeks training on Lake Como in 1969. We were in traditional North American canoes and gathered stares everywhere. But after you have traversed that lake in every direction, in every weather- we were ready for a major River in the North. Yes. I love the snowflakes and miss the squares. Won’t be on my list for a long while.
Hi TGV The BlackBay58 is hyped for a reason. Elegant, traditional although totally modern. There are many good things to say about this watch. But I have my beloved Omega Seamaster Electric Blue from the 1990’s and am in no immediate need for another diver😊 By the end of the day nothing beats your Tudor Submariner from the mid 60’s. Keep up the good work👍
Hello mate. I commented on your IG, on my personal account. Its a stunning piece. I have the blue but might have to get the black after seeing how effortlessly you rock it. Congratulations
I have the original, black, BB58 and love it. Two things that would be a nice improvement though: 1. Some sort of easy link extension on the bracelet. 2. 120 click bezel rather than 60.
Remember TGV, it's not work. If you enjoy what you're doing. Let's be honest you do enjoy life etc. May I say you've inspired me. I'm going to start taking photos of my watches, beside different Action Figures which I've been collecting for decades. So for the inspiration, I say thanks. Again kind regards from Australia Rikki.
Thanks for another great video! I have to say I'm not a fan of Rolex and their dive watches, but the top hat crystal is amazing! If I were to ever get a Rolex, it would need to have that crystal. It's a shame people can't appreciate these vintage features that give watches their character. Not every watch has to have AR coated double-domed sapphire.
My 79220R is still one of my favourite to wear for daily. It is still currently in my active rotation 👌 something about the Rose smiley dial that reminds me that it is special
I tried on the BB36 yesterday, as I was in my local Tudor boutique and I have to say it fits so well. Such a great little watch. A 36mm oyster case is really special. I need to try an explorer on next! If Tudor ever make a gilt dial BB36, or Rolex make a gilt dial Explorer, I think I will be forced to buy one!
Wonderful, TGV. You managed to catch that feeling, just after arrival and a little delirious from a long haul flight, of sudden difference, maybe the raven's call and those faint conversations in another language drifting across. Lovely. For me, it's Sea/Speedmaster time, I think. Some homework to be done from older vids although newer models will be the interest. Maybe there is something of that sudden difference, again.
Hello chap! Yeas as you can notice I have been watching (re-wachting I should say) during the weekend your older videos especially the collection reviews as I'm looking for some inspiration at the moment, and it's very nice seeing a new video popping up while I thought it was an old one too 😀 Very nice review again, I do share 100% of your opinion about the 58, I love it and I'm sure I would love it but in the main time I know that the negatives you pointed out especially relating the néo-vintage mimetic elements will bother me in the long term period. Hate and love relationship with this one, we will see if one day I will end up buying one , but I guess I only need to go for a vintage diver.. Wishing you a very pleasant week
Good evening tgv, firstly apologies for the late check in , secondly may I add what a superb video the perfect blind of watch content, amazing location a scenery, edc , you name it what more could we ask for, so we thank you for that sir, good to see you arrived home safe and sound, all the best my friend, regards Ryan.
Grazie John!!! A video in Italy would not be complete without your comment. I hope all is well. FYI, a little sneak peak, I have something aviation related you will love happening in the next few weeks, can't say any more. Best regards, TGV
Im looking to buy a BB58 on the stainless steel band tomorrow. How hard is it to switch over to a NATO strap? I was completely unaware about the spring bar differences and would like to be fully informed before I go into the store tomorrow. Thanks.
Glad to see you are enjoying your trip! Any chance you do a review of the new Tudor Pelagos FXD when you get the chance? Also where are the food pictures/videos? 😁 🍝
Another exquisite thread of this author... but it's been beautiful! Yes, Italy has a diversity and culture like no other, further more the insane topics. The highest level in Arts, Architecture, Enginering and Science too. I think that they got almost all the good things of life in that land. About these extraordinary pieces you brought one more time to us, I,m not a user from Tudor yet, but I consider their product as a really great oportunity for getting an "entry-luxury" watch... nowadays. But at the sametime I believe that this oportunity is also offered by another holly icon in the watch industry as Longines. In this last case, I also know that Longines produce its owns calybers or in-house movements, the same that Tudor does as well. I,m in love!!! Thank you very much for your effort T.G.V. ! SALUDOS!!
TGV, I have owned two Tudor Black Bay Watches. They are a gen 1 Chrono and the GMT. I have a rather large wrist so what looks good for you at 39mm, for me the 41mm is perfect. I actually sold my S&G Rolex blue faced sub for more than 2 times what I paid for it in the early because I viewed it as being a magnet for a call for robbery or when at business meetings it was a distraction for others. The Tudor BB's are the middle both in terms of look, fee and performance.
i know this is late-but just found this channel and convinced me to buy this watch as a graduation gift to myself! looking forward to watching more videos soon
I admire the 58, but don’t want it either. I love my Heritage Ranger, which is the PERFECT tool watch for my work, particularly the size and legibility… not to mention the most beautiful handset on any watch.
Another great video, as we speak I'm trying to decide whether to purchase a BB58 so your timing was impeccable, I shall refer back to this video a few times while I'm making my mind up!.
Great content as ever, thank you. You mention the Squale is you favourite watch of all. I wouldn’t have considered a Squale before I started watching your channel. However I have just ordered the limited edition Squale Drass Galeazzi. Will you be getting one? Be great to see a review. Cheers
I own a BB58 and honestly there isn’t a single thing I dislike about it. Tudor’s value for money proposition in today’s market is incredible, what you get for your money feels almost unmatched
Tudor needs to add a ceramic bezel to the BB58 and it would actually be perfect in every way,
@@robc8468 tbh I feel like ceramic just wouldn't really fit to the vintage inspired design
@@robc8468 terrible idea.
I like it except for the fake screws. Why did they put those fake screws on?
Completely agree. Today’s Tudor is Rolex’s yesteryear. Best value proposition out there.
TGV “I will not be posting much over the next couple of weeks” Posts two killer videos. 🔥 🍷 🍕 🇮🇹
This is my go to daily wear. Vintage feel with modern quality. It doesn't have all of the charm but that's why I have other watches!
Excellent comment Kurt, a wonderful reason to collect. Love it.
Thank you for the comment.
Best regards,
TGV
Any movement issues?
@@BWen3 no, it's a rock solid movement with great warranty and service intervals.
@@BWen3 none at all. my shits are smooth , 100
I think the BB58 is one of the most perfect watches out there. It’s my new daily and I have absolutely nothing to dislike about it.
I got my BB58 a year ago and have worn it nearly every day since! Got to say, I think I prefer the snowflake hands and round hour markers to either mercedes hands or square hour markers, but I can definitely understand your opinion on them.
Thanks as ever for the great vid!
I’m the same- much prefer the snowflake hands.
@@manuel_winde I Love snowlake, don't like mercedes hands...Guess I'm a weird chap.
There was an original Tudor Submariner issued to the Canadian Navy in the early 1980's that had the same hand/dial configuration as the bb58, a lot of people don't know this & assume tudor came up with this for the bb. I think it looks fine & I actually prefer it to the Mercedes hands!
I agree…. I never even thought of them as such a contrast until he mentioned it.
Loved this show!! What an amazing setting and views! Well done on getting out there!!! We’re the airports empty??;) having not delved into the vintage market yet(it’s coming;) the BB58 is by far the best NEW diver I’ve owned or reviewed in terms of value, spec , brand history and SIZE!!! Drilled lugs would definitely have been nice . I think they need a distinction from The Pelagos and not just the size, having the Snowflake and traditional Subby markings homages (which is what it’s aim is) the roots of the beginnings and the moment Tudor became its own dive watch.
One day I look forward to handling an old Tudor Subby! I’ll pop round one day;)
Love mine. Love the lack of complications, simple design, low-key presentation, excellent reserve, and freakishly accurate time keeping. Also like the respect it gets from watch people.
I didn't begin to understand this watch until I saw it in person. I didn't begin to lust over it until I tried it on. I don't know if I have ever put on a watch which wore so well and complimentary. Surely no other dive watch has felt so natural on my wrist.
Excellent video, TGV.
Any video that includes Lacrimosa from Mozart's Requiem is going to be epic. Can't wait to check this out man.
🙌🙌🙌 You know your Mozart. I love it. You classy devil you!
Thank you my friend.
Best regards,
TGV
Have you heard Zebignew Preisners Lacrimosa? It's beautiful.
I'm singing Lacrimosa again this year with the Mission Valley Choral Society here in Lake County (POLSON, MT)
Did you hear Rank1 - Sensation White 2003 Anthem? Lacrimosa on house.
Lake Como was my first stop in Italy when I was just 16 for soccer tournaments. This episode really brought back some good memories. I love how your channel has developed over the years. Onwards and upwards!
Great editing Tristano. I can't afford the majority of the watches you cover, but I can enjoy your cinematic direction :D
Take care!
Thank you my friend, you will be glad to know the next watch review cost 10% the price of this. I will always try to cover all levels, it would get so boring just luxury watches, besides, most of the fun to be had is with the most affordable watches IMO.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Watch Snob Begone ™ :D
@@theurbangentry TGV I just received in the post the last components of my Vostok amphibia modding project. It is read to go to the watch makers
@@theurbangentry You need to review that Longines spirit 40mm pilot watch Tristano...Getting a ton of love lately.
@@theurbangentry
Tristano,
The way you review all levels of watches is one of the things that makes your channel the premier watch enthusiast channel on YT. Do you remember when everyone freaked out a few years ago because they were afraid you were "selling out" or at least moving to only high-end watches? Of course it was flattering, only because they did not want any messing about with your format. I like it when you wander off and talk about coffee, clocks, clothing, whatever. Thanks for doing what you do so well.
Safe travels,
Ian
I only just purchased the BB58 last week after waiting more than a year and to be fair I do feel it lacks something. In saying that, how many times do you hear people say the same thing about the Rolex sub. I will consistently wear the BB58 for the next month where I do think my feelings will change considerably, as I do find the watch extremely comfortable to wear. Keep up the good work!
The most worn watch in my collection, mainly due to its versatility and no fear of knocking it about vs. Other more precious / expensive items. Love it on the Tudor fabric.
Beautifully made video. I own a BB58 and love it. I like the snowflake hands which are far easier to read than Mercedes hands. The combination of the traditional Sub dial indices and snowflake hands works for me. Mine is on a leather strap (and the leather enhances the warm gilt tones of the dial far better than the steel bracelet). I would have liked spring bar holes in the case.
Wow surprise episode from Italy. I’m excited.SEIKO IS KING !!!
Thank you Ed, Seiko is indeed king!!!
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Thanks TGV. Stunning scenery in Italy.You are so blessed to be able to work and travel in such beautiful places.Watches quite beautiful also.I hope your next trip to Italy allows you time to send us some footage also. SEIKO IS KING !!!
I’m a beginner watch collector and this is my grail watch
It's a good grail hope you get it one day never listen to naysayers get what you love don't eva listen to anyone but you on what you wear because at the end of the day its your money your body the watch goes on your wrist no one else and when you get it wear it in good health.
As MC said your grail watch will change many times, but don’t be influenced too much what other people tell you. There are thousands to choose from hence why we all have different tastes. You buy what you want to buy!
As a BB58 owner, I entirely agree with your synopsis. For me, most of the "negatives" have been avoided by wearing it on straps... I just with they'd have gone with the "lollipop" hand set found on some vintage Subs, it would've maintained the Tudor heritage and kept the Mercedes hand haters at bay!
As a daily wearer, I suits me perfectly. Mine's just as frequently on boats and in the sea as it is in meetings and restaurants. Considering the swap to a two tone pre-ceramic Sub soon however.
TGV, funny you should post about this watch. I've been eyeing this exact model for some time now and this is just the video I was looking for. Thank you. BTW as per our recent conversations and your previous video, I purchased the Holben alligator straps for my vintage Omega Seamaster that we discussed and I absolutely love it. Hope your trip to Italy is a great success.
Onwards and Upwards!
Thank you my friend. I am so pleased to hear the strap recommendation was useful. I can't tell you how great Holben's have been to me as a faithful customer myself, the way they organize their website and have the best stuff makes it difficult not to buy everything! Enjoy your Omega! 😎🥂
Best regards,
TGV
Woohoo!!! Another episode from TGV in Italy!!!
Great video my friend! Very nice scenery indeed. I've had my BB58 for a few weeks now and I love it. Very accurate. Like you said, more positives than negatives. The rivets don't bother me at all but I feel like the bracelet could be improved with the addition of half links and also an adjustable clasp. The half link issue was solved by Uncle Seiko; they manufacture and sell them specifically for the BB58. The bracelet now fits perfectly. Cheers!
In spite of expectations a lot of content already flowing out of beautiful Italy - and some outstanding watch talks. As always, well done TGV!
You and The Timeless Watch Channel is the GOAT of watch reviews
I just got the 41mm version, the standard Black Bay, the other day as my first luxury watch and I must say - Tudor has really done something quite special with these in my opinion. The gilt dial just makes my day! Fantastic content as always, TGV.
@Harry Donovan Ha! You’re right. I never even realized one was rose and the other was yellow. They both look great to me though. And don’t let the sizing fool you. My wrists are not large at all, but as long as the lugs don’t overhang, I’m good with it. All comes down to personal sizing preference though.
Hi Chubby, Just curious, to why you got the 41mm version, was your wrist size small? I was thinking of 43 mm watches and above but my wrist size is small and may overkill the whole look
Such a great video TGV! Love the travel vlog and review mix. All the best 🦖
Saw this at 11:30pm, here in england, and regretted if because I won't be getting to sleep until midnight now.
Loving this content!
As so often is the case, you have perfectly articulated my misgivings about Tudor’s Black Bay range which I’ve always somehow felt but struggled to quite know why?
Maybe my weeny 6.5” wrist is a factor here but the only current Tudor that speaks to me is the BB 36mm and, even though I like that a lot, there’s still something that causes my trigger finger to rest a while.
Hi TGV, awesome video! Always a highlight of my day. I’m still saving for a Tudor for my graduation soon-I’d like to see how the new MN Tudor wears, too! Anyways, I was reading an article on the dial and hand combination of the black bay and was surprised to see that it is an actual combination used by Tudor, and there are old ads of it. I can’t wait to see your review of the FXD. Hope you enjoyed Italy!
Thank you so much Maximillian, and your comment made mine!
I saw that very same ad you speak of, but the watch is even more elusive, I can't seem to find proof it ever actually existed.
So glad you brought it up.
Best regards,
TGV
Hey Tristano, you lucky traveller! Don't miss a ride on one of these fabulous RIVA boats. There is a restoration area by the lake and you sure will find an opportunity to drive one - at least as a passenger. When I was a little boy, I used to water-ski behind such a mahagony beauty. I still remember the sound of the big Chrysler Marine V8 engine.................and the punch of that thang. 😂😂😂
I had an aversion against Tudor for the longest time. It was too close to the Rolex sub. But in the new size, in house caliber and having bought my Sub TT, I’m definitely warming up to this one.
I like the size and the colorway. Besides, the price is a huge plus. I don’t care about hypes at all.
100% agree on the design point and the car analogy is perfect - to me the BB58 feels like when the Mini was relaunched (and maybe the new Defender), while a lot of care clearly went into the design it felt derivative and almost childish compared to the original
Outstanding production with an eloquent review of the Black Bay 58 and Lake Como background sets this off as the best review of BB58. Thanks TGV aka the Guv’nor for those who know!!
Thank you TGV for an another wonderful review of Tudor! I really love Tudor watches!!! Stay healthy and well! Nicholas 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🌊
Would you say there’s “that something” missing from this watch that just leaves you unsatisfied? Interested in hearing your thoughts on the Lorier Neptune (which I already know you love) compared specifically to this watch… I know the quality and specs aren’t the same however I feel the micro in this case does have that certain something!
I just got my bb58 and when I saw the dome of the crystal etc I immediately thought of a comparison between that and the lorier
I own both , the Lorier is a very nice watch that probably wears slightly better on the wrist than the bb58, albeit a touch smaller. I don't find there is anything missing from the tudor in terms of design it's a great watch. I do find that the dial on the bb58 is more dynamic than the Lorier though. I have the blue version & the colour changes depending on the light & can look amazing. The Lorier has a gloss navy dial which doesn't look that great in low light conditions. You can't go wrong with either watch though, they are both great!
@@Andrew.W75 In day to day use do you prefer the Sapphire of the Tudor or the Acrylic of the Lorier? (Assuming it is Acrylic) 👍
@@moorwatch9654 I was just thinking about that earlier actually lol. It's hard to say really, visually the Lorier looks better in that it has a more vintage aesthetic. However the Tudor is less reflective weirdly, as plastic is generally less reflective than sapphire & it's more practical, as obviously it won't scratch. So looks go to the Lorier but the Tudor is the more practical option. Hope that helps!!
@@Andrew.W75 yeah good to know thanks, in the future I hope to get a speedmaster but sapphire or hesalite is a very hard choice 👍
I own the BB58 in gilt and I definitely enjoyed your review. For me the rivets are not an issue or no divers extension. I simply keep mine on a strap. If on the bracelet which is rare I will wear going out to a show either at the Kennedy Center or special occasions. Just in case if anyone has issues with the bracelet needing that little extra go ahead and order that Uncle Sieko half link. You won’t be disappointed.
As for the snow flake hands and rounded markers I can agree with except for one thing. When scuba diving or snorkeling I can see the hands much clearer than I can with my 5 digit sub and Mercedes hands so For that reason I learned to love the BB58 handset.
Lastly, the BB58 gilt really shines under candle lit environments and has a warmth to it in that environment. Not sure if you have experienced it in that situation. I have to also add with this the last two videos were great! This review was spot on and glad you were able to experience the watch. Keep those videos coming!
I have owned a 58 since May, I‘ve put it on a very nice rubber strap designed for the 58 by Vanguard & it’s become my daily watch, far lighter & easy to wear all day vs my omega seamaster (my first proper nice watch from 2013) but the main thing for me is how well it keeps time, mine looses less than 1 second a day.
Finding 5 dislikes with a rather traditional 1K+ piece honestly sounds like a challenge in itself. Something serious like questionable bezel action or poor finish would be quite embarrassing for Tudor.
Is it that bad
There's nothing wrong with the bezel action or finish on the bb58, it great in fact!
@@Andrew.W75
That was my point. At that price, finding something that severe would be a big deal and is rather unlikely.
@@Alias_Anybody Oh ok I thought that might be the case but wasn't sure & the other commenter seemed confused by it
@@Andrew.W75 Oh I was worried that another brand has caught the QC issues bug
I own the BB 58 925 (the sterling silver variation), and I think it's really the best one of the bunch (including the solid gold and green model that I find rather loud and ugly, not to mention astronomically expensive). Aside from the shimmering silver case and stunning taupe dial and bezel insert, the 925 completely avoids the pitfalls of the metal bracelet by being made available only with a strap ... in my case a deep, dark brown leather strap. It's absolutely beautiful. Oh, and it has a see-through case back, which makes it kind of rare for a Tudor to say the least. I would have preferred the traditional solid case back, but I guess Tudor didn't want to make one in sterling silver for whatever reason. Nevertheless, it's a fantastic watch, and really the only BB 58 I would care to buy.
Agree, to my taste the sterling silver model is preferable,
Watch content of the video was secondary to the travelogue content, which was stupendous! Bravissimo Tristano!!!
What a top shelf video. Thoroughly enjoyed that. Wear your watch in good health, my friend.
I love the tie-in with Duncan near the end. Makes the whole thing nicely connected but breaking the chronological order of events. Kudos TGV, you really know your stuff!
Great video . I love my BB58 I also love Italy. It has been 25 years and I still dream of Venice . I will never forget Florence . I'm a history nut and Rome is so amazing . Keep up the good work. Thanks .
Firstly, how cool is it that you get to be in Italy - even if it is for work (guessing it's enjoyable work too). I'm a bit envious. We haven't been to Italy for a few years and really miss it. As for the BB58 - it's tempting. I owned the original BB some years back. I liked it but found it just a bit too slab sided. The size didn't bother me (7in wrists) but wished it had a bit more refined profile. Perhaps, due to it's thinner build the slab sidedness won't be such a problem with the 58. I do wish they'd kept the rose emblem on the dial though. So much more romantic. And I agree - the fake rivets on the bracelet are a bit silly. Enjoy your trip, looking forward to the next video! Ciao, John
Thank you John. Very true about the slab sided, certainly one thing my Tudor subby does not suffer from so I totally get it.
Totally agree about the Rose, but you know that already 😎🥂 Grazie amico.
Best regards,
TGV
Another reason to get the Glycine Combat Sub instead! My GL 0259 wears beautifully and was only £250.
Awesome vid. Italy and the Tudor’s are amazing. Thanks TGV SEIKO IS KING !!!
The BB58 just has the right proportions and materials. That red marker is such a nice touch, along with the slightly rose gold. Also like was mentioned it goes with so many straps.
The right proportions for people with a 6.5 to 7" wrist but completely the wrong proportions for someone with a 7.5"+ wrist. Over 8" and you can forget about it.
I have to say.. I loved the shots of your surroundings more than I did the watch. What a stunning place! So one black bay 58 and one trip to Lake Como added to my ever growing wish list. Nice vid! 🍻
Amazing content and production 😍🤩... your channel is on a league of it own! Thank you 🙏
That appears to be a great job and I hope you enjoyed every moment!
Love both my bb58 in original and blue , but, never first choice for the wrist.
Hi Tristano, glad to see you enjoyed the quick work trip here in Italy. The bb58 is, in my opinion, a real banger. I consider it the true heir of the dear old sub, a watch that can be purchased by pretty much everyone (if you save some money) and that will always be on point no matter the outfit or the occasion. Big love from Italy, ci vediamo il prossimo anno
Tried the BB58 (Blue version) on a few weeks ago and it was fatal. I've already got far too many watches but it was love at first sight/ wear. I'm having to work very hard not to just go and buy it... I'm going to try and give it 6 months and see if the love wears off.. but I just don't think it will.
Has the love worn off or have you caved? I’ve got many $500 watches I’m considering selling to purchase a black BB58…
Your point about modern watches being technically superior but somewhat cold is a very important and interesting point. One could say modernism itself with its high tech materials is also somewhat cold and uninviting. This means that modern watches with some history and passion have an edge. Perhaps that's why old, defunct brands enjoy such love from the gentry. Their history warms them up and provides a depth of feeling that modern engineering, for all its brilliance, struggles to achieve. Enjoyed your video!
Fabulous video! Love the scenery and your cinematic instincts are always top-notch. So glad to see you got a director gig! Something about the bb58 seems a little too trendy to me. The bb-gmt is a real stunner though in person, my favorite tudor so far.
Doing the washing up in my BB58 now. For me, completely unmatched in its price bracket. Phenomenal piece.
Awesome. Video. Thanks for taking us along. Cheers.
Wow…Lake Como! Was watching an episode of *Il commissario Montalbano* last night, so you might say that warmed me up for this surprise video from you. The GMT Roller is nice but I'm warming up much more to both the Tudor BB and (far more approachable for me from a cost standpoint, natch) Squale TGV. Nice representation of your collection you've taken "on tour." Haven't settled on a diver at the moment, but I'm pretty dead-set on 40mm max diameter. Glad the trip turned out well, and that you had fun, even while away on business!
OMG, I adore that show. I would love to live in a house like his and swim on that beach every morning.
Thank you Barrett, awesome comment.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Right? Having a dip before that first cup of coffee (and the inevitable phone call from Catarella). Right now, I'm a little late for dinner. ;-)
Watching this vdo in 2024...and enjoying it...bought this watch few days back, and now excited to wear it soon...it will possibly be my last "big" watch buy...each watch has its own story to tell and the history is always fascinating....
Same just watched today and bought mine a few days ago. It’s an awesome watch!
Great video! I see the air Max went on the trip as well 😉🍻. Also, I love the 58 it's one of my favorites in my collection. I also recently collaborate with Carl Friedrik in my last video and I have to say I love their leather goods 💯👍very good!!
Thanks for the great video, and a glimpse of travel, I'm missing that so much! I'm really enjoying my first Tudor, a BB 58 Bronze.
I own the BB58 for 2 years. Wear it daily and get a ton of compliments. Tudor is a great brand to me. Waiting for the Pellagos 39.
Your watches are beautiful. Your travel show is wonderful. Your content is better than any TV shows, movies, cable, or streaming platforms.
That intro was incredible, always appreciate the true time and effort put in to each video
This is my first watch and it's been great. Can't wait to expand my collection, if only the boutiques had any stock.
This was a banger episode - thanks for the quality content!
That view!!! Wow! Thanks for bringing Italy to us.
I spent 6 weeks training on Lake Como in 1969. We were in traditional North American canoes and gathered stares everywhere. But after you have traversed that lake in every direction, in every weather- we were ready for a major River in the North. Yes. I love the snowflakes and miss the squares. Won’t be on my list for a long while.
Hi TGV
The BlackBay58 is hyped for a reason. Elegant, traditional although totally modern. There are many good things to say about this watch.
But I have my beloved Omega Seamaster Electric Blue from the 1990’s and am in no immediate need for another diver😊
By the end of the day nothing beats your Tudor Submariner from the mid 60’s.
Keep up the good work👍
Hello mate. I commented on your IG, on my personal account. Its a stunning piece. I have the blue but might have to get the black after seeing how effortlessly you rock it. Congratulations
Hey Tristano! Hope you're having a nice time here! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the bb58
I have the original, black, BB58 and love it. Two things that would be a nice improvement though:
1. Some sort of easy link extension on the bracelet.
2. 120 click bezel rather than 60.
Dico solo una parola: polenta 💖...grazie di cuore per questa tua visita in Italia 👍 ...al prossimo anno.
Man that gold and black Tudor with that pip of red is amazing. That colorway is right up my alley.
Great montage and review. Thanks for taking us on the journey! Ciao . . . In boca al lupo!
Remember TGV, it's not work. If you enjoy what you're doing. Let's be honest you do enjoy life etc.
May I say you've inspired me. I'm going to start taking photos of my watches, beside different Action Figures which I've been collecting for decades. So for the inspiration, I say thanks.
Again kind regards from Australia
Rikki.
Thanks for another great video! I have to say I'm not a fan of Rolex and their dive watches, but the top hat crystal is amazing! If I were to ever get a Rolex, it would need to have that crystal. It's a shame people can't appreciate these vintage features that give watches their character. Not every watch has to have AR coated double-domed sapphire.
My 79220R is still one of my favourite to wear for daily. It is still currently in my active rotation 👌 something about the Rose smiley dial that reminds me that it is special
I tried on the BB36 yesterday, as I was in my local Tudor boutique and I have to say it fits so well. Such a great little watch. A 36mm oyster case is really special. I need to try an explorer on next! If Tudor ever make a gilt dial BB36, or Rolex make a gilt dial Explorer, I think I will be forced to buy one!
Wonderful, TGV. You managed to catch that feeling, just after arrival and a little delirious from a long haul flight, of sudden difference, maybe the raven's call and those faint conversations in another language drifting across. Lovely.
For me, it's Sea/Speedmaster time, I think. Some homework to be done from older vids although newer models will be the interest. Maybe there is something of that sudden difference, again.
Hello chap!
Yeas as you can notice I have been watching (re-wachting I should say) during the weekend your older videos especially the collection reviews as I'm looking for some inspiration at the moment, and it's very nice seeing a new video popping up while I thought it was an old one too 😀
Very nice review again, I do share 100% of your opinion about the 58, I love it and I'm sure I would love it but in the main time I know that the negatives you pointed out especially relating the néo-vintage mimetic elements will bother me in the long term period.
Hate and love relationship with this one, we will see if one day I will end up buying one , but I guess I only need to go for a vintage diver..
Wishing you a very pleasant week
What a way to enjoy my Sunday afternoon watching this review . Once again thank for a well informing video..Til next time , chow...
TGV always so positive. Love watching your videos.
Good evening tgv, firstly apologies for the late check in , secondly may I add what a superb video the perfect blind of watch content, amazing location a scenery, edc , you name it what more could we ask for, so we thank you for that sir, good to see you arrived home safe and sound, all the best my friend, regards Ryan.
I see you did a nice tour of Como, including Villa Olmo and the city center as well as other locations on the lake. I hope you enjoyed it!
So glad to see a video TGV, can’t wait to watch this, have a good day sir!
Beautiful Lake Como! Thanks for sharing the trip with us. Glad to see you arrived safely. Enjoy!
Grazie John!!! A video in Italy would not be complete without your comment.
I hope all is well. FYI, a little sneak peak, I have something aviation related you will love happening in the next few weeks, can't say any more.
Best regards,
TGV
Im looking to buy a BB58 on the stainless steel band tomorrow. How hard is it to switch over to a NATO strap? I was completely unaware about the spring bar differences and would like to be fully informed before I go into the store tomorrow. Thanks.
Glad to see you are enjoying your trip!
Any chance you do a review of the new Tudor Pelagos FXD when you get the chance? Also where are the food pictures/videos? 😁 🍝
Another exquisite thread of this author... but it's been beautiful!
Yes, Italy has a diversity and culture like no other, further more the insane topics. The highest level in Arts, Architecture, Enginering and Science too. I think that they got almost all the good things of life in that land.
About these extraordinary pieces you brought one more time to us, I,m not a user from Tudor yet, but I consider their product as a really great oportunity for getting an "entry-luxury" watch... nowadays. But at the sametime I believe that this oportunity is also offered by another holly icon in the watch industry as Longines. In this last case, I also know that Longines produce its owns calybers or in-house movements, the same that Tudor does as well. I,m in love!!!
Thank you very much for your effort T.G.V. !
SALUDOS!!
TGV, I have owned two Tudor Black Bay Watches. They are a gen 1 Chrono and the GMT. I have a rather large wrist so what looks good for you at 39mm, for me the 41mm is perfect. I actually sold my S&G Rolex blue faced sub for more than 2 times what I paid for it in the early because I viewed it as being a magnet for a call for robbery or when at business meetings it was a distraction for others. The Tudor BB's are the middle both in terms of look, fee and performance.
Revisiting this video as I’ve just ordered my BB58 and can not wait 🤩
I think the great thing about this timepiece is it's very versatile. You can wear it casual or formal and it still works perfectly.
Another highly njoyable episode. I do think of your videos as episodes.
Another great video from TGV. Now, black or blue version if being used in a 2 watch collection alongside a black dial dress watch? Thanks!
I found the ‘58 far too small. But I did buy the 41mm heritage Blackbay .. love it. Keeping it forever. And I find no negatives with the Blackbay.
A great watch, not a rolex on budget but a piece with his personality and style, great solid material which makes this watch badass but charm too
That intro is always 10/10 the view you had is out of this world great video ounce again⌚😎🤠
i know this is late-but just found this channel and convinced me to buy this watch as a graduation gift to myself! looking forward to watching more videos soon
I admire the 58, but don’t want it either. I love my Heritage Ranger, which is the PERFECT tool watch for
my work, particularly the size and legibility… not to mention the most beautiful handset on any watch.
Amazing video as always, what do you think of rhe new Pelagos FXD?
Another great video, as we speak I'm trying to decide whether to purchase a BB58 so your timing was impeccable, I shall refer back to this video a few times while I'm making my mind up!.
Great content as ever, thank you. You mention the Squale is you favourite watch of all. I wouldn’t have considered a Squale before I started watching your channel. However I have just ordered the limited edition Squale Drass Galeazzi. Will you be getting one? Be great to see a review. Cheers
You won't be disappointed! He can always borrow mine for a review any time.
Great video, location and watches! I've often pondered the bb58 but I'm hoping tudor will release the gmt in the 39mm case.
That would be awesome. I'd also love to see the gmt with a coke bezel inlay!