Devon Gee not a millennial It’s just not important enough for me to debate. This is social media not social justice therefore I don’t feel the need to exude passion and respond to a post from someone (s) who obviously want to debate. It’s not that important
Doug Demuro and Jeremy Clarkson have done a ton of bad publicity to this car. They gave to the enthousiast community a somewhat unappropriate view that became glued to them, even if a lot of this is simply subjective judgment. This has, still now, catastrophic effects on the used price value of those cars. But, in the other side, it is allowing the RCF to have a shadow existence of its own ; away from the streetracer and jocks community. Making this car a hidden gem for car enthousiasts.
Toyota did it to themselves when they added luxury and thus more weight and unneeded gadgets to the RCF when it should have been a raw baby version of the LFA, the Street version of the GT3 mind you.
@@ps.6023 I agree that toyota has made this car irrationally luxurious. But, in my view, the main problem came as they wanted this car to be a convertible, installed all the reinforcement, and didn't made it a convertible in the end. This was a stupid move. I know Akio Toyoda is overseeing the GT3 concept, so I have big hopes for the future of sportscoupes in the Lexus lineup.
You say that, but I was in a Lexus dealership the morning after Clarkson's review aired getting the rear exhaust section replaced on my IS-F, having seem the review I was a bit disappointed and like many I had gotten the impression that Toyota/Lexus had focused too much on luxury and not enough on performance. Then while I was there a man came in and ordered an RC-F purely based on Clarkson's review, and then a second did the same (one nearly ordered the Carbon pack thinking it was an eco option lol). While many of us found the review disappointing it seemed many people found it to be exactly what they were looking for (one of them even commented it was better than the Aston Martin he had been looking at and half the price).
I agree so much. A lot of these peeps are probably jaded from all the new cars they get to drive. 2-3 weeks in the shop per year can make even the best sounding V8 regretful compared to an I4.
Hey! That's my car! Haha. Lexus SC400: the MKIV Supra, that Toyota gave wood and leather to, which nobody seems to know is the same car as the Supra. OMFG, I love this thing! And, for a fraction of the price of the BMW, or the RCF, you can turn my car into this: ua-cam.com/video/KHcVnDGaFCc/v-deo.html
I agree, I own a is350 and love knowing it’s reliable, but I can see why reliability becomes less important the more disposable money you have. For me my dream car would be the coming LC-F, now that car would be insane to own
BMW is overpriced and overrated as a luxury brand. I'd definitely save on a RCF, especially on service and repair costs. A Lexus are for owning, a BMW for leasing.
Lexus is for life. I have NEVER heard from some switching from Lexus to BMW etc. The only reason a Lexus driver is switching is shifting in priorities (performance, economy) or they want the newest gen.
This is true. As a tech for bwm, they are trash and overpriced. They always end up at the shop along with mimi and audi. People only lease bwm until its done then they go buy Lexus, acura and infiniti
Dallas Grantley lol best infotainment ? you have to pay for Apple car play on a yearly subscription that’s caca to me . Plus why make the argument about how it drives then switch to the info system which any one who truly loves the feel of a car for its drivability doesn’t give a left nut about . If that’s the argument then I’d get a Camaro SS which beats a M4 on the track and 0-60. Or for the same price as a M4 since we are spending money I’d get a ZL1 and destroy the M4 alllllll day and it looks way more menacing on the road . RCf doesn’t jump two teeth on its timing belt from a simple aftermarket tune which they are known for . RCF also has forged internals and can be beaten all day long the take you home . BMW will get you around a track faster but then a Camaro will pass you up and make you feel ridiculous for spending the money for bragging rites and a name brand . My point is there is always something faster at the same price range .
@@TeXasDadBod idrive is still better then lexuss attempt, for me I wouldn't have any of these cars, I'd go something mid 2000s, mod it and enjoy the rawness, hydraulic steering, mechanical acelerator and brakes, manual trans, also much lighter on its feet and imo much funner
I have an RC F so am admittedly biased. That said I agree with you about many of your observations on Doug's review. The biggest thing I agree with about your comments is that the mission of this car is luxury and performance. It's not the best of either but it is a good combination of both. People that worry about the weight make me laugh unless they are truly going to the track as a primary use. If anyone is THAT worried about weight then they shouldn't be buying a luxury car with electric windows and seats, power steering, AC, carpet, rear seats, cruise control, infotainment, radio, etc. for track use anyway. In real world driving, the RC F is essentially too powerful and plenty comfortable and the shifts are startlingly fast and strong, not lazy at all. I like BMWs but they are everywhere, I wanted something I didn't see every day. This car is rare to see. Some love some hate, I get it, it's a polarizing car but I love it.
What’s funny is I have the Fuji speedway and they took away a lot of the power electronics that added weight ! I love this not only because the weight is lower but because things will realistically never break on my car because they took all the electronics out almost 😅
Sometimes Doug simply just talks a lot of shit 😂 Honestly... if I needed to buy a car in a pinch and the only car available at lot X was a BMW. I would leave. Either that or it must come with 100 year 10, million mile warranty, a roof rack and a bicycle on the top with all season tires.
Years ago I was a BMW fan. Yet I test drove a BMW and was disappointed so that I went down the street and test drove a Lexus. Now I am a Lexus fan and don't know how I would go back.
1:23 No you dont need to blur the lic plate. Its publicly displayed. And for better or worse you cannot tap into the database giving you information on who that plate belongs to. Nore can you report that plate to the police unless an actual crime has been committed. That cut he did in line or outrageous speed does not count. In summary it's useless to everyone but law enforcement. So blurring is not necessary.
@YungGBone124127134 I have owned a BMW and a Benz and they were worse than the fords I owned as a young man. Never again. Ever! I have three Lexus vehicles and they are run perfectly. My GS460 is a beautiful monster and hasn't ever had any issues to the point that I worry sometimes nothing ever goes wrong.
Robert Blackford I got a dealership “used” demo2016 RCF for $52,000 with only 945 miles in April 2017 that was fully loaded with performance package (torque vectoring and carbon fiber roof / spoiler ), Mark levingson sound system and orange calipers in liquid silver Premium color option . It was originally $80,000 with all the options not including tax only one year great discount you can find used ones for as low as $35-40 k depending on mileage that run like new even after being driven hard with mods . M4s have an issue with timing belt jumping a couple teeth with as little as a tune and blowing up BMW keeps this pretty much on the low on top of the cost to maintain a newer model M4 . You also Void warranty if you get it serviced anywhere other than a dealership . Used BMWs are risky look it up ,they perform great till they don’t perform great lol . And once your the second owner of a BMW might as well keep it forever because you’ll have to sell it for so little it’s not worth it . Meanwhile you can drive a Lexus as the second owner enjoy it for a while and sell it to a third owner and still make a small amount of cash . Meanwhile the second owner of a BMW is waiting for it to get out the shop after a month of driving too hard and spending cash to fix it he thought he saved when he bought it used 😅😂🤣....
The car is an icon that will be the last NA V8 and I like bmw but don’t hate on a car company with its first sports car because bmw has had 30 years to improve there sports cars
Watched that video couple of months ago, I completely agree with you with all the comments you made. That video was made just to make Lexus look bad..I unsubscribed him after that video
My wife said to me, “Babe, they just updated the new Supra, you know you’ve been waiting for it forever what do you think?” Me: “No thanks, It’s a BMW, I’d rather have a Lexus RC-F”.
This is my exact kind of dispute at the moment. I’m torn between the RCF and a Toyota supra 3.0 premium. Will have to be a one owner or 2 well maintained I’ll be retiring at the end of 2026 and in the spring of 2027 I’ll be more than likely purchasing one of these two vehicles. 2021-22 Supra or a 2015-17 RCF. And yes the BMW long-term reliability is definitely a problem that I need to consider. I own a 2002 Lexus ES 300 which is quiet as a vault, solid as a tank it is extremely luxurious. Last year had a certified shop install 4 new struts and it rides like it just came off the showroom floor. I have my beautiful comfort and luxurious ride so that’s why I was opting more towards the supra a two seater sports car. Either one I get I won’t be tracking them. I think at the end of the day it comes down to reliability and dependability and nothing beats a Lexus My other possible options are a 2020 -21 mustang GT or a 2012-13 C6 Corvette manual. It will be very hard to find a well maintained adult driven used mustang GT that hasn’t been beat the shit out of. Same with a used corvette.
Doug is loyal to the Germans. I think we all have figured that out. I wouldn't pay him any attention honestly. Lincoln has surpassed Cadillac in every aspect. Look at Lincolns lineup and look at the Cadillac lineup... I rest my case haha!
Not sure how loyalty holds up. He first owned a Ferrari (360?) and now he owns a Ford GT. I mean he does have a g-wagon but I wouldn’t consider it being “loyal”
Sadly I've never driven the RC F, but I've admired it from afar and would seriously consider getting it over any of the German brands...despite my general preference and affinity for German marques. Doug's preferences and bias aside, I agree that he missed the point of the Lexus in his review. The RC F is not intended to be tracked; it is much more suited for grand touring duty than the BMW is. On a long road trip, that M4 would beat you up, while the Lexus would deliver you to your destination comfortably. I feel the RC F to M4 comparison is akin to the Aston Martin to Ferrari comparison. The two brands stand for different things. Yes, Aston has its track-focused hardcore vehicles, but for the most part it produces grand tourers that are comfortable with a touch of sportiness. Why can't the RC F do the same?
Just got my RCF 2 months ago, love it. I agree with the stock exhaust it's conservative but I have a Borla exhaust on it and my god i love it! the shifts sound so good! Have a friend with an RCF and has a GT haus exhaust and its loud AF.
Amen to your comments on balance! I like having a car that I can go have fun with, but 99% of the time I’m just tooling around town or commuting. Most people can’t afford a stable full of single-purpose cars. I want a car that’s comfortable to drive, reliable, luxurious, has some cache, and occasionally can tear up the corners. The RC F seems like a great balance of every day comfort and power.
Of course you're right. Doug doesn't know anything about a Lexus. They do hold their values way better. But like you said, those other "premium luxury" brands are pushing it and overdoing it.
These will go the way of the MK4 Supra being stupid expensive in 20 years, once all the petrol engines are gone and everyone is humming along in their Evs.
Lexus knows exactly who they are and what their customers expect, and that is this: cars that never push the edge of performance or the most cutting edge electronic gadgets. What they do is comfort and luxury with more performance than most owners will ever need, and do it in a quality way thats more substance than surface bling and bragging rights to you office bros.
Recently bought a 2017 RC F, thought I did my research but there is one thing that i somehow missed in reviews and discussion forums...the lack of a spare tire...I understand the staggered tires being the reason for no spare...but I personally have very bad luck with nails and screws so I'm currently looking for a solution...I bought a refurbished OE wheel and am getting some rubber put on it...but now I'm wondering if that was a good idea as per the owner's manual the jack points seem very hard to access/use...now i havent actually tried, I've been working crazy hours at work since buying the car...but it at least seems like the jack points are "hard to hit"...actually might not have bought the car if I knew all this...not gonna lie I have major buyer's remorse because of this...hopefully when i get a day off I can see just how hard it is to access the jack points and change a spare while on the side of the road...
Jack points arent hard to miss at all but not having a jack or run flats is a big PAIN. Cant even go on a road trip without having to worry about having a flat smh
@@davidwade7681 well I was looking at the FLOOR jack points(in the owners manual) when I made this comment...the regular jack points are easy to find and use...do you own an RC F? mine came with a jack (but not run flats obviously)...and what I did so that I have a spare is order a front wheel off ebay and put some rubber on it and keep it in the truck...I already caught one nail since I posted this comment 4 months ago, like I said I have bad luck with them...at least this way if you completely lose a tire or don't feel like you can make it to a dealership or tire place you can put the spare on and get somewhere and off the road...
@@clelvis225 Hello yes good idea and I own an rc f. Mine only came with a jack and fix it kit. No run flats of any sort but I definitely will look into buying a front rim on Ebay and put it in the trunk just in case. I have had 2 blowouts so far and AAA had me waiting on the side of the road for 2hrs+. Did you get a good deal on the rim? I went to lexus they quoted me 1600 for a spare with no tire
@@davidwade7681 yeah Lexus will charge you 2 arms and a leg for that rim...I paid I think somewhere around 350-400 for the rim on ebay...I put the same rubber on the rim, Michelin Pilot Super Sports, that comes on the car and as you know they are expensive and you certainly dont have to do the same...so all told it was probably around $800 to have a spare on hand...very much worth it when you're on a dark backroad miles from anything...changing the spare on the car is very easy though, just like any other car...also, I recommend keeping a flashlight or some source of light along with a small, portable air compressor in the trunk as well...that way you can actually see what you are doing and add air to any tires, the spare or otherwise, that might need it... after getting the spare tire issue fixed and peace of mind I have been able to enjoy the car...but now I'm concerned about all the bugs and leaves and debris that are getting through the front grill and into the radiator and also into the oil coolers on each side of the radiator that are behind their own, smaller grills...maybe I just worry too much lol
How can anyone dislike Toyota, Japanese is superior engineering... Anyone that's previously owned a BMW, knows how bad the quality of the car is. I have an Rc350 F sport, getting an RCF soon. Takes an acquired taste to love Lexus.
yes you are correct, i saw his review about the RC-F yesterday. I would pick lexus over any of the germans any day, you can still drive that RC-F after 20 years and enjoy it. but you would probably look at the old photos of your German cars after 5 years and maybe if you are lucky you would drive them with the christmas tree looking gauge cluster with 3 quarts of extra motor oil in the trunk.
I mean the vast majority of ppl in this segment lease, so long term Lexus-level reliability isn’t on their radar. For better and for worse, it’s why Lexus and maybe even Acura just doesn’t do nearly as well as BMW, Merc etc in sales
I'll never understand why Doug thinks someone's age dictates what they will like. Style and speed is subjective. I'm not a fan of BMW I actually prefer Lexus. So yes I am a Lexus fanboy I own it 100% hahaha :)
I agree with all your points. BMW won at the performance category on paper, but the RCF more then makes up by being reliable comfortable and more affordable
Thank you for this review, Doug was a Lexus hater. Ive owned BMW's, a Porsche, G37s, 350z, and other great cars. The Rc F is the highest of quality, tied with BMW for fit and finish, Faster than my Porsche, but the number one thing that you touched on that should be over emphasized is..... RELIABILTY. That is a major characteristic about the Lexus that hands down makes is a better car to own. A faster car that is in the shop here and there with $3000 repairs to get it back on the road, is not a car anybody wants. i sold my 6 series because my friends were dumping 2 grand here, 2 grand there on repairs on their 6 series. Anyway, thank you for blasting his review just like he blasted that fart!
You're right about Doug Demuro driving the RCF in Normal mode, which is why he said the steering was too light. When you put it in Sport + mode, the steering gets a lot stiffer. I bet most RCF owners don't drive it in normal mode.
I thought Launch Control became standard equipment on all 2020 RC F, just not the Track Edition? I refuse to ever watch one of Demuro's videos ever again due to his whiney, idiotic, unprofessional, RC F hit job review.
2015. Almost 3-year ownership. Aside from maintenance and recalls, the only problem I have had was a dead battery. Which is partly my fault, the battery sits a lot.
I 100% agree with the weight and stability. I had an ISF fully bolted on with intake headers and exhaust and at 130 i always felt uneasy. I have the RCF now also Fbo and feel much more safe going over 150. I love Duog and every car reviewer hating on the RCF because it gave me a hell of a deal on mine because no one wants it, until they drive it of course. Also keeps our car rare
Agree with what you say but you maybe should’ve worked on the ISF’s suspension to make it more stable at high speeds I hit 170 in mine felt really stable
OK, I just test-drove a 2016 RC F in a very similar spec to the one he had, just 3 weeks ago, so it's pretty fresh in my mind. Regarding the steering being light... While it's not the lightest steering, I also wouldn't say it's heavy. And, in Sport+, the response from the steering is very quick compared to my IS 300 I have at home. I also just drove a Camaro SS this past weekend (rental car), and found its steering to be notably heavier than the RC F's steering, so take that for whatever it's worth. I'm not saying Doug's right, because he's not. The RX is probably the last thing I think of comparing the RC F's steering with. However, it's not overly heavy either. I sorta agree on the transmission being lazy... but only at low revs. If you really stomp on the gas, the shifts are quicker, no doubt. In more sedate driving, it's not worth using the paddles, but the transmission is very smooth and Lexus-like. I personally like the dual personality of the transmission. Regarding the part about it being half-hearted... here's the other thing driving that Camaro made me realize. That Camaro is faster than an RC F. No doubt about it. However, it's just not nearly as quiet or refined on the inside - the ride seemed a bit firm, and its exhaust was pretty loud - both a good thing and a bad thing depending on the timing! I started to wonder if I would want to drive something like that every day. I didn't have that conundrum with the RC F - it felt every bit as comfortable as my IS 300 F Sport, in spite of it being obviously more capable. That versatility is what you are paying for with the RC F. You get a car that handles extremely well but is still something you could use to take your significant other on a weekend trip in comfort. (And I mean, the RC F is still fast, especially if you rev it all the way out.) Unfortunately, I was only testing out the RC F to test the waters, since my lease has about 6 months left, still, so I am pretty sure someone already bought the Infrared one I drove. But I loved it. Hopefully there will still be some around in a few months.
I beat a 2016 Camaro ss in my rc f . Traction control off and put it in Sport mode not S+ mode and you will see. Definitely get one you really should Rc F
I had a BMW E90 & traded it in for the new 2018 Camry XSE. My BMW kept that engine light on almost every month. Barely 80k miles. My dads 97 Toyota Corolla has 167k miles with no issues. My moms 09 Camry has 80k miles no issues. My gf’s 07 Camry has 200k miles no issues...should I keep going? My little sisters 08 Camry has 170k miles no issues. My Camry currently has 33k miles so it’s too soon I think for issues. All I’m trying to say is that I thought I’d give a BMW the benefit of the doubt but it let me down. I kept it till 130k miles but lost a lot of money trying to keep it on its last leg, definitely was not worth it.
I purchased an RC as a second vehicle and it's my first Lexus. I feel like the car has soul when I drive it. The complements and gawking from others is pretty crazy considering it's a 2016. BMW's look nice but tend to be more understated and bland. Not saying the M series isn't a blast to drive but I wouldn't want it as my daily.
You said it so right. I like Doug's videos to show us some new cars or cars we could never said... But then again... If you watch the videos and realize the statements are his take and opinions.. Nothing else
These guys are just upset that the Lexus 5.0 in the F models is literally a bulletproof, reliable 300k mile track and daily driver monster with little, little maintenance through out its whole lifetime. The tranny is old, but it works. It can hold reliably 1000 hp. No issues. Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke. Still shifts fast as hell in manual at red line. It revs high. I think it’s the greatest induction sound ever in any production car and even modded that’s na. Lexus interior is one of the best quality pieces out there in the automotive industry. You can daily drive this 365 in every season and weather condition, go to the track everyday, throw down competitive times and still be able to go home and go to work the next day and get your groceries after and repeat. For 100s of thousands of miles. People need to quit comparing these cars to others. Nothing can compare to Lexus F models. There’s nothing out there like them hands down. They aren’t the best cars in the world at all but that’s not the point. The point is everything I said above.
I enjoy Doug's videos, but his review on the RC F was blatantly biased. Like we all see, he was finding things to bitch about for sure. He shouldn't have even did a review on this car if he already had a loyalty to german brands. I love my RC F.
Doug said the wing wasnt big enough for the price of the car. Which I agree with. Like does it make that much of a difference? It's like an inch lift. U could slap a lil ducktail on there and it would probably save weight and get the same amount of performance
Bro, I could give you a great handshake for this video. You speak for the general public unlike Doug who speaks for himself. These comparisons have ALWAYS been crazy to me. I dont get why anyone would want a harsh, stiff sports ride over a comfortable, smooth performance car? What the heck? How many people track race on a daily basis? Who the heck are these so-called ' car enthusiasts ' and how many of them are there? If the target market is race drivers then these comparisons will make sense to me. Who in the states is going to use 450 horsepower to the max on highways that have speed limits without negative consequences( speeding tickets, accidents etc). How many people race to work? So what if a German car is faster than my Lexus. What does it matter? All the public need and want is a car that is quick enough and can handle decently ,with reliability as a factor as well. That Doug score rating is hilarious but I just watch him because he does review a lot of cool cars. LEXUS by the way built their reputation on quality ,reliability and comfort. It makes sense why they would blend performance in WITH those other aspects These reviews are always so stupid to me. SMH! Thanks for the objective video. .
Who are all these people with both time and money to take their DD to the shop every other month? Such a big part of luxury is the peace of mind that you don't have to baby it.
I remembered when Doug said he thinks the styling of the car is really amazing, yet when he was giving his Doug score he gave it 6 out of 10 in styling.
I have purchased 10 brand new Lexus cars since 1997. Every single one has been perfect. Quality in a vehicle is just as exciting to me as any other attribute.
There is a Lexus isf on the internet with 200k which is same engine in RCF, where as this rcf will pull 200k and will be collector car and those BMW probably end up at the scrape yard lol, I don't understand how can Doug criticize such an amazing piece of engineering which will last forever and hold it's value for good 20 years, BMW are only good until their warranty expires, Doug just don't understand lol, he is really against Toyota/Lexus lol, I have Lexus es300 with almost 200k never changed its spark plugs, never had any major issue, and Prius 2014 with 325k with plastic interior none of the interior piece is broken yet, Doug is just biased lol
I stopped watching Doug's review after a few of his weird grading scores. "This car is a great value! It's got high resale and is an amazing value! For my Doug Score gonna give it a 5/10." That and when he tried to sell signed pictures of himself lol.
The part about the farting had me cracking up, I remember hearing it when I watched his stupid video months ago. I agree with everything you said, one observation though with the launch control, it is now standard on ALL 2020 RC F's, not just the track edition
You're so right they're great, Doug got this so wrong its an uber reliable GT with great performance and reliabilty; who by contrast is going run any of the BMWs with their hot v turbos past warranty (or even within it).
Its pretty clear Doug prefers german cars over japanese cars, probably for "prestige" I dunno, He judges any car by modern supercar standards, a car that doesn't have 4 ipads glued to the dash and doesn't touch screen climate controls and such is "bad value" in his book, A car isn't "fun" if it doesn't have 600 horsepower, his reviews are extremely unbalanced as well, "halo cars"(Supra Mk4, MclarenF1, ) Have unfair advantages, some of his standards just go out the window to score a car higher. He does little to no research, Now I'm not saying you have to know every detail and every single aspect of a car, but come on his incompetency is almost humerous, almost. [example: 2018 mustang "I would assume long term reliability would be pretty good" mind you he was reviewing it around the time where there was enough info about the multitude of issues that car has AFTER the refresh (am not saying its a bad car, it had issues)] [Another one kinda rubbed me the wrong way was his Chevy SS review here in australia its the holden commodore SS/SSV VF, claiming how chevy tried to cut costs by not badging certain spots, leaving engine cover with only 'V8' and blank door sills and minimal badging, and he claimed that there is a "holden badge" underneath the SS stiching in the dash. Anyways to end this, Doug seems to be one of those people do buy an expensive car and pay everyone else to work on it for him, The douche version. Looks down on normal car thinks like *gasp* no satnav, no automatic climate control. Yet he calls himself an enthusiast, The only enthusiast aspect I see in him is he likes cars, can drive manual and has a lot of money to afford cars. He might as well be named schmee at this point.
All great points ! The Lexus RC-F provides the driver the best of both worlds, speed, sound, comfort, looks and quality. He did an excellent job explaining the difference. Some car reviewers don’t have a clue about what some cars are all about, and why they build them as they do. I happen to own a 2015 Lexus RC-F and love it !
Well, according to that blond on Girl on Swiss Roads that I watched just before you, this Lexus is a very good daily driver. In the cabin , it sounds very throaty like a racing car when she got on it. I would say it has a bit of personality. I would buy one.
LOVE my 2020 RCF! I never even consider an m4 because to me it's not even comparable. Plus I want to keep the car 10 years. With a BMW, not so much, and if I do, I can't imagine what it would cost to maintain...
@@nacho7614 I got ultra white. It did come from the factory with half of the hood protection the fenders and underneath the door handles. I've only put on like 60 mi in the car I'm trying to figure out who to take it to in order to get the rest of it wrapped up and protected.
@@NewShockerGuy ah man congrats. Ultra white! Sweeeeeet. That’s good it came with a partial bra, and on the fenders too. 60mi! Love it. Yeah def look around, get some pricing. I’m sure there’s some decent companies where you’re at too that can give you suggestions. I have the full hood, fenders, side mirrors, side skirts, pretty much anywhere you can think of a rock would hit. It’s def saved the paint. But yeah congrats though. Happy for you! Wanna race? Jk haha damn it your car has 5more HP and is a little lighter than mine! Lol
RCF is for daily driving. In most situations, putting down the full torque will me very hard to drive and can be dangerous. I personally like the balance because I can use it as a daily driver and when I want to have some fun I can go to spot or sport plus and each setting is distinctively different and each has their use cases.
I’m currently on my way to pick up my RCF, I was a s197 mustang owner, excited to own a v8 once again. The wing is a joke, you’re trying too hard to deny Doug I like the car for the fact that they offer a torsen slick top option, knowing fully throughly it will sell next to zero unit. I’d like to think the PM tried to hold a last stand despite the limited resources given
Nail on the Head, Kurk DeKreifo! (Kidding) Even though for my own reasons I still watch a lot of Doug’s videos but like I’ve pointed out in the other one, I can disagree with him and yes just because he says something doesn’t mean he’s right. It’s like any other UA-camr I watch. With every vehicle, it’s placed in a class, and in that class it’s placed in a spot where there are cars that are worse and better than the one you are targeting. In this case the RCF. I’m OK with other cars being better than it, but I also love that this car is better than so many others. It has an absurd amount of horsepower and with easy aftermarket upgrades like superchargers, exhaust, etc. to get even more. They are VERY reliable, and has the ability for every day drive. Anybody that I know with BMWs (have or had), mainly has had a lot of issues after the warranty or have experienced horrid resale value. Many others I know that have them say do not handle AT ALL in any condition other than bone dry ground. Once the BMW gets in rain of any kind there’s no grip at all and you’re holding on for dear life. While the RCF isn’t a saint in rain or sleet or snow, you’re going to feel a lot better and at ease when you see and hear the amount of complaints I’ve seen and heard with BMWs in weather conditions. Like you said, the power, the style, the features, and the reliability is very important to me. I don’t want an uncomfortable dedicated track car. Many of these specific dedicated track handling cars when you had a slight bump in the road it’s bone shattering. No thank you! Both of these cars have their areas that they are perfected in. And that’s what makes them both unique and OK for the purchaser for whatever they’re trying to accomplish. I’d NEVER buy a BMW unless I had unlimited money. Horrible resale and terrible money pits. Not because Scotty Kilmer said so... because that’s what I’ve known my whole life.
Agreed, I was debating on a m3 awhile back and after doing my research I went all in for a isf and loved it. I would still do the same, rcf over m4 any day.
2:25 What do your mean? Of course it’s about performance it’s an RCF top of the RC range sport car. This isn’t a Toyota 86, you could probably skate with that comment if this were a video on that car instead, but this is Lexus’s $70k+ (new) 5 litre V8. Why is it weird to expect a focus on performance? That was a weird comment lol
I think he was off base (Doug). His video almost made me not want a Lexus RCF. I keep looking around and feel the M series BMW is a track focused coupe. The Mercedes doesn’t excite me when sitting in it. Although it’s sound is just 😘 *perfect. This Lexus IS different in styling. It’s luxurious as ever. The power and weight is so that it’s more comfortable to drive over longer periods in my opinion. I haven’t tested an RCF but if it’s what I think it is, I’d buy it first.
Hey Kirk why am I just finding this gem 😅 Anyways you’re spot on as usual. Doug just doesn’t rate Japanese cars in general for baseless reasons. He’s special.
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Doug is wrong about a lot of things. He and Steve Hammas seem to have a dislike for Toyota Motor Corp.
What is he wrong about ? Can you give some examples?
Watch his Lexus and Toyota videos. Especially the LX.
Watching the Nats. Don’t have time. Also I’m not in the mood to debate. Good day friend.
@@Olph1 kinda weak to make a statement but be too lazy to back it up. Must be a millennial
Devon Gee not a millennial It’s just not important enough for me to debate. This is social media not social justice therefore I don’t feel the need to exude passion and respond to a post from someone (s) who obviously want to debate. It’s not that important
I drive an RcF and it’s the best car I have ever owned. It’s way to cool for Doug!!!
Haha congrats on your RC F. Doug can't see greatness...that's fine - leaves more RC Fs for people who truly appreciate them.
I happen to completely agree, this is a fantastic car. I bought one last month with full bolt ons and tune. It's an awesome car to drive.
😂😂😂😂
Yes I recently got one and it’s magnificent I adore it also have an ls 460
Doug Demuro and Jeremy Clarkson have done a ton of bad publicity to this car. They gave to the enthousiast community a somewhat unappropriate view that became glued to them, even if a lot of this is simply subjective judgment.
This has, still now, catastrophic effects on the used price value of those cars. But, in the other side, it is allowing the RCF to have a shadow existence of its own ; away from the streetracer and jocks community. Making this car a hidden gem for car enthousiasts.
Toyota did it to themselves when they added luxury and thus more weight and unneeded gadgets to the RCF when it should have been a raw baby version of the LFA, the Street version of the GT3 mind you.
@@ps.6023 I agree that toyota has made this car irrationally luxurious. But, in my view, the main problem came as they wanted this car to be a convertible, installed all the reinforcement, and didn't made it a convertible in the end. This was a stupid move.
I know Akio Toyoda is overseeing the GT3 concept, so I have big hopes for the future of sportscoupes in the Lexus lineup.
@@boboutelama5748 agreed. as for the GT3 concept that won't happen because look what he did with the Supra, we got a Zupra.
@@ps.6023 Yariz gr, Korolla gr, i-Hesse 500 ?
You say that, but I was in a Lexus dealership the morning after Clarkson's review aired getting the rear exhaust section replaced on my IS-F, having seem the review I was a bit disappointed and like many I had gotten the impression that Toyota/Lexus had focused too much on luxury and not enough on performance. Then while I was there a man came in and ordered an RC-F purely based on Clarkson's review, and then a second did the same (one nearly ordered the Carbon pack thinking it was an eco option lol). While many of us found the review disappointing it seemed many people found it to be exactly what they were looking for (one of them even commented it was better than the Aston Martin he had been looking at and half the price).
I love Lexus v8 I don’t care what people think is the most reliable fun to drive and not worrying for break down...
I agree so much. A lot of these peeps are probably jaded from all the new cars they get to drive. 2-3 weeks in the shop per year can make even the best sounding V8 regretful compared to an I4.
Hey! That's my car! Haha. Lexus SC400: the MKIV Supra, that Toyota gave wood and leather to, which nobody seems to know is the same car as the Supra. OMFG, I love this thing! And, for a fraction of the price of the BMW, or the RCF, you can turn my car into this:
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once you get rich enough, they dont care about reliablity anymore, they just buy another
rawjor even rich people like resale value ...well most of the smart ones are ..so if any car holds up it mean it got good resale value
I agree, I own a is350 and love knowing it’s reliable, but I can see why reliability becomes less important the more disposable money you have. For me my dream car would be the coming LC-F, now that car would be insane to own
BMW is overpriced and overrated as a luxury brand. I'd definitely save on a RCF, especially on service and repair costs.
A Lexus are for owning, a BMW for leasing.
That's so true.
Lexus is for life.
I have NEVER heard from some switching from Lexus to BMW etc.
The only reason a Lexus driver is switching is shifting in priorities (performance, economy) or they want the newest gen.
Overpriced plastic car
@@kevonjohnson82 the Beemer, absolutely.
This is true. As a tech for bwm, they are trash and overpriced. They always end up at the shop along with mimi and audi. People only lease bwm until its done then they go buy Lexus, acura and infiniti
Doug is very biased . I don't support his channel. That car is amazing, BMW's unreliable money pits.
I'm biased towards Toyota and Lexus haha
Not everyone cares that much about reliability, some people prefer to have nicer handling, faster Accel, best infotainment
Dallas Grantley lol best infotainment ? you have to pay for Apple car play on a yearly subscription that’s caca to me . Plus why make the argument about how it drives then switch to the info system which any one who truly loves the feel of a car for its drivability doesn’t give a left nut about . If that’s the argument then I’d get a Camaro SS which beats a M4 on the track and 0-60. Or for the same price as a M4 since we are spending money I’d get a ZL1 and destroy the M4 alllllll day and it looks way more menacing on the road . RCf doesn’t jump two teeth on its timing belt from a simple aftermarket tune which they are known for . RCF also has forged internals and can be beaten all day long the take you home . BMW will get you around a track faster but then a Camaro will pass you up and make you feel ridiculous for spending the money for bragging rites and a name brand . My point is there is always something faster at the same price range .
@@TeXasDadBod idrive is still better then lexuss attempt, for me I wouldn't have any of these cars, I'd go something mid 2000s, mod it and enjoy the rawness, hydraulic steering, mechanical acelerator and brakes, manual trans, also much lighter on its feet and imo much funner
Hhhmmmm he loved a lot of lexus and toyota Nissan and honda
Doug is wrong about a lot of things
I have an RC F so am admittedly biased. That said I agree with you about many of your observations on Doug's review. The biggest thing I agree with about your comments is that the mission of this car is luxury and performance. It's not the best of either but it is a good combination of both. People that worry about the weight make me laugh unless they are truly going to the track as a primary use. If anyone is THAT worried about weight then they shouldn't be buying a luxury car with electric windows and seats, power steering, AC, carpet, rear seats, cruise control, infotainment, radio, etc. for track use anyway. In real world driving, the RC F is essentially too powerful and plenty comfortable and the shifts are startlingly fast and strong, not lazy at all. I like BMWs but they are everywhere, I wanted something I didn't see every day. This car is rare to see. Some love some hate, I get it, it's a polarizing car but I love it.
Awesome summary of your experience and opinions! Thanks for sharing and congrats on your RC F!
What’s funny is I have the Fuji speedway and they took away a lot of the power electronics that added weight ! I love this not only because the weight is lower but because things will realistically never break on my car because they took all the electronics out almost 😅
Sometimes Doug simply just talks a lot of shit 😂
Honestly... if I needed to buy a car in a pinch and the only car available at lot X was a BMW. I would leave.
Either that or it must come with 100 year 10, million mile warranty, a roof rack and a bicycle on the top with all season tires.
Doug is annoying as hell. Thank you for your take on the RCF :)
Years ago I was a BMW fan. Yet I test drove a BMW and was disappointed so that I went down the street and test drove a Lexus. Now I am a Lexus fan and don't know how I would go back.
Hahahaha I remember when doug did the review of the LFA, he only give to it 65/100. Guy dont know shit about japanese craftmanship
That's because his head is filled with SHIT, and his mouth is fulla ASS...
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I feel like Doug only scratches the surface of what a car is
KevBot He scrached the armrest as well.
Doug, the type of guy who eats cereal with a fork
LOL.
1:23 No you dont need to blur the lic plate. Its publicly displayed. And for better or worse you cannot tap into the database giving you information on who that plate belongs to. Nore can you report that plate to the police unless an actual crime has been committed. That cut he did in line or outrageous speed does not count. In summary it's useless to everyone but law enforcement. So blurring is not necessary.
Doug is just rolling through car reviews to make videos for the money, don’t feel like he genuinely care for the cars.
Interesting observation!
Yeah he loves cars otherwise he wouldn't spent a lot for them especially cars like the GT
He is simply trying to make money to buy cars for himself, while fucking everybody else up with false info and outright lies!
How could he compare a Lexus to a Cadillac, Lincoln ,or Acura. How ist he doesn't know what a luxury car is .
@YungGBone124127134 I have owned a BMW and a Benz and they were worse than the fords I owned as a young man. Never again. Ever! I have three Lexus vehicles and they are run perfectly. My GS460 is a beautiful monster and hasn't ever had any issues to the point that I worry sometimes nothing ever goes wrong.
Doug is not a Lexus fan that sums it up ,,,, or Toyota period ,, look at which one depreciates faster a bmw or Lexus
@Robert BlackfordI've only ever bought one new car every one after that's been a used 3 years or older
Robert Blackford I got a dealership “used” demo2016 RCF for $52,000 with only 945 miles in April 2017 that was fully loaded with performance package (torque vectoring and carbon fiber roof / spoiler ), Mark levingson sound system and orange calipers in liquid silver Premium color option . It was originally $80,000 with all the options not including tax only one year great discount you can find used ones for as low as $35-40 k depending on mileage that run like new even after being driven hard with mods . M4s have an issue with timing belt jumping a couple teeth with as little as a tune and blowing up BMW keeps this pretty much on the low on top of the cost to maintain a newer model M4 . You also Void warranty if you get it serviced anywhere other than a dealership . Used BMWs are risky look it up ,they perform great till they don’t perform great lol . And once your the second owner of a BMW might as well keep it forever because you’ll have to sell it for so little it’s not worth it . Meanwhile you can drive a Lexus as the second owner enjoy it for a while and sell it to a third owner and still make a small amount of cash . Meanwhile the second owner of a BMW is waiting for it to get out the shop after a month of driving too hard and spending cash to fix it he thought he saved when he bought it used 😅😂🤣....
The car is an icon that will be the last NA V8 and I like bmw but don’t hate on a car company with its first sports car because bmw has had 30 years to improve there sports cars
Elon Musk throw in the supra and lfa dude is tripping if he thinks Lexus and Toyota can’t make a sports car
If you want a honest and good review on the RCF . Watch savagegeese review on it
Doug doesn't like Lexus. Most of his videos on Lexus he give a bad review. He loves German cars. I unsubscribed from his channel.
Good call, and smart move!
If Lexus is that bad why do it sell more than bmw???
Watched that video couple of months ago, I completely agree with you with all the comments you made. That video was made just to make Lexus look bad..I unsubscribed him after that video
Wow thanks for watching!
I unsubscribed also ,to weird in his reviews.
My wife said to me, “Babe, they just updated the new Supra, you know you’ve been waiting for it forever what do you think?” Me: “No thanks, It’s a BMW, I’d rather have a Lexus RC-F”.
This is my exact kind of dispute at the moment. I’m torn between the RCF and a Toyota supra 3.0 premium. Will have to be a one owner or 2 well maintained
I’ll be retiring at the end of 2026 and in the spring of 2027 I’ll be more than likely purchasing one of these two vehicles. 2021-22 Supra or a 2015-17 RCF. And yes the BMW long-term reliability is definitely a problem that I need to consider.
I own a 2002 Lexus ES 300 which is quiet as a vault, solid as a tank it is extremely luxurious. Last year had a certified shop install 4 new struts and it rides like it just came off the showroom floor. I have my beautiful comfort and luxurious ride so that’s why I was opting more towards the supra a two seater sports car. Either one I get I won’t be tracking them.
I think at the end of the day it comes down to reliability and dependability and nothing beats a Lexus
My other possible options are a 2020 -21 mustang GT or a 2012-13 C6 Corvette manual. It will be very hard to find a well maintained adult driven used mustang GT that hasn’t been beat the shit out of. Same with a used corvette.
Doug is loyal to the Germans. I think we all have figured that out. I wouldn't pay him any attention honestly. Lincoln has surpassed Cadillac in every aspect. Look at Lincolns lineup and look at the Cadillac lineup... I rest my case haha!
I am a Lutheran. The Lex is all around better.
Not sure how loyalty holds up. He first owned a Ferrari (360?) and now he owns a Ford GT. I mean he does have a g-wagon but I wouldn’t consider it being “loyal”
This is me with every Doug video that comes across my recommended tab. I dont know if he plays dumb intentionally but it pisses me off.
Lol I think he wants to stir the pot
Har, what an UNDERSTATEMENT!!!
Sadly I've never driven the RC F, but I've admired it from afar and would seriously consider getting it over any of the German brands...despite my general preference and affinity for German marques. Doug's preferences and bias aside, I agree that he missed the point of the Lexus in his review. The RC F is not intended to be tracked; it is much more suited for grand touring duty than the BMW is. On a long road trip, that M4 would beat you up, while the Lexus would deliver you to your destination comfortably. I feel the RC F to M4 comparison is akin to the Aston Martin to Ferrari comparison. The two brands stand for different things. Yes, Aston has its track-focused hardcore vehicles, but for the most part it produces grand tourers that are comfortable with a touch of sportiness. Why can't the RC F do the same?
Just got my RCF 2 months ago, love it. I agree with the stock exhaust it's conservative but I have a Borla exhaust on it and my god i love it! the shifts sound so good! Have a friend with an RCF and has a GT haus exhaust and its loud AF.
Beautiful rcf in ur pro pic
Amen to your comments on balance! I like having a car that I can go have fun with, but 99% of the time I’m just tooling around town or commuting. Most people can’t afford a stable full of single-purpose cars. I want a car that’s comfortable to drive, reliable, luxurious, has some cache, and occasionally can tear up the corners. The RC F seems like a great balance of every day comfort and power.
Lexus is a philosophy, Doug is just a BMW or Range Rover Fan which are not reliable than Lexus, so .....
there is more to a car than just reliability.
@@kristians2704 I'm still waiting what's the more.
@@mohamedalihebboul2214 performance, handling, tech, luxury features, interior quality, styling, space etc.
@@kristians2704 All these exist in the Lexus
@@mohamedalihebboul2214 yeah but brands like Mercedes, BMW, Audi do all those things way better
Of course you're right. Doug doesn't know anything about a Lexus. They do hold their values way better. But like you said, those other "premium luxury" brands are pushing it and overdoing it.
These will go the way of the MK4 Supra being stupid expensive in 20 years, once all the petrol engines are gone and everyone is humming along in their Evs.
The rcf is way more appealing than the m4. I’m keeping mines
Lexus knows exactly who they are and what their customers expect, and that is this: cars that never push the edge of performance or the most cutting edge electronic gadgets. What they do is comfort and luxury with more performance than most owners will ever need, and do it in a quality way thats more substance than surface bling and bragging rights to you office bros.
Recently bought a 2017 RC F, thought I did my research but there is one thing that i somehow missed in reviews and discussion forums...the lack of a spare tire...I understand the staggered tires being the reason for no spare...but I personally have very bad luck with nails and screws so I'm currently looking for a solution...I bought a refurbished OE wheel and am getting some rubber put on it...but now I'm wondering if that was a good idea as per the owner's manual the jack points seem very hard to access/use...now i havent actually tried, I've been working crazy hours at work since buying the car...but it at least seems like the jack points are "hard to hit"...actually might not have bought the car if I knew all this...not gonna lie I have major buyer's remorse because of this...hopefully when i get a day off I can see just how hard it is to access the jack points and change a spare while on the side of the road...
Jack points arent hard to miss at all but not having a jack or run flats is a big PAIN. Cant even go on a road trip without having to worry about having a flat smh
@@davidwade7681 well I was looking at the FLOOR jack points(in the owners manual) when I made this comment...the regular jack points are easy to find and use...do you own an RC F? mine came with a jack (but not run flats obviously)...and what I did so that I have a spare is order a front wheel off ebay and put some rubber on it and keep it in the truck...I already caught one nail since I posted this comment 4 months ago, like I said I have bad luck with them...at least this way if you completely lose a tire or don't feel like you can make it to a dealership or tire place you can put the spare on and get somewhere and off the road...
@@clelvis225 Hello yes good idea and I own an rc f. Mine only came with a jack and fix it kit. No run flats of any sort but I definitely will look into buying a front rim on Ebay and put it in the trunk just in case. I have had 2 blowouts so far and AAA had me waiting on the side of the road for 2hrs+. Did you get a good deal on the rim? I went to lexus they quoted me 1600 for a spare with no tire
@@davidwade7681 yeah Lexus will charge you 2 arms and a leg for that rim...I paid I think somewhere around 350-400 for the rim on ebay...I put the same rubber on the rim, Michelin Pilot Super Sports, that comes on the car and as you know they are expensive and you certainly dont have to do the same...so all told it was probably around $800 to have a spare on hand...very much worth it when you're on a dark backroad miles from anything...changing the spare on the car is very easy though, just like any other car...also, I recommend keeping a flashlight or some source of light along with a small, portable air compressor in the trunk as well...that way you can actually see what you are doing and add air to any tires, the spare or otherwise, that might need it... after getting the spare tire issue fixed and peace of mind I have been able to enjoy the car...but now I'm concerned about all the bugs and leaves and debris that are getting through the front grill and into the radiator and also into the oil coolers on each side of the radiator that are behind their own, smaller grills...maybe I just worry too much lol
@@clelvis225 nice and ya dont worry just power wash it lol ..peace of mind is priceless
How can anyone dislike Toyota, Japanese is superior engineering... Anyone that's previously owned a BMW, knows how bad the quality of the car is. I have an Rc350 F sport, getting an RCF soon. Takes an acquired taste to love Lexus.
Nah.. the only good thing about Japanese cars is reliability. German cars are superior in everything else
yes you are correct, i saw his review about the RC-F yesterday. I would pick lexus over any of the germans any day, you can still drive that RC-F after 20 years and enjoy it. but you would probably look at the old photos of your German cars after 5 years and maybe if you are lucky you would drive them with the christmas tree looking gauge cluster with 3 quarts of extra motor oil in the trunk.
I mean the vast majority of ppl in this segment lease, so long term Lexus-level reliability isn’t on their radar. For better and for worse, it’s why Lexus and maybe even Acura just doesn’t do nearly as well as BMW, Merc etc in sales
The one dislike is demuro 😂😂
I'll never understand why Doug thinks someone's age dictates what they will like. Style and speed is subjective. I'm not a fan of BMW I actually prefer Lexus. So yes I am a Lexus fanboy I own it 100% hahaha :)
Gio S6 me too I am a Lexus fanboy too, and I wanted Lexus as my first car :)
Totally agree! I m not a boy anymore, but love being a "Lexus funguy"!! Born and raised in Europe, I m in love with my IS300h !! ❤️
I agree with all your points. BMW won at the performance category on paper, but the RCF more then makes up by being reliable comfortable and more affordable
Thank you for this review, Doug was a Lexus hater. Ive owned BMW's, a Porsche, G37s, 350z, and other great cars. The Rc F is the highest of quality, tied with BMW for fit and finish, Faster than my Porsche, but the number one thing that you touched on that should be over emphasized is..... RELIABILTY. That is a major characteristic about the Lexus that hands down makes is a better car to own. A faster car that is in the shop here and there with $3000 repairs to get it back on the road, is not a car anybody wants. i sold my 6 series because my friends were dumping 2 grand here, 2 grand there on repairs on their 6 series. Anyway, thank you for blasting his review just like he blasted that fart!
i love my rcf lol
You're right about Doug Demuro driving the RCF in Normal mode, which is why he said the steering was too light. When you put it in Sport + mode, the steering gets a lot stiffer. I bet most RCF owners don't drive it in normal mode.
I thought Launch Control became standard equipment on all 2020 RC F, just not the Track Edition?
I refuse to ever watch one of Demuro's videos ever again due to his whiney, idiotic, unprofessional, RC F hit job review.
Hmm not sure on the standard 🤔
I thought so too
2015. Almost 3-year ownership. Aside from maintenance and recalls, the only problem I have had was a dead battery. Which is partly my fault, the battery sits a lot.
It is soooo boring to read feedbacks from Lexus owners.
No defects, everything like new bla bla!
BORING!
We want drama, tears and frustration!
Doug is not a car guy, he’s just a nerd who reads things about cars on the net and copy pastes it through his face.
I 100% agree with the weight and stability. I had an ISF fully bolted on with intake headers and exhaust and at 130 i always felt uneasy. I have the RCF now also Fbo and feel much more safe going over 150. I love Duog and every car reviewer hating on the RCF because it gave me a hell of a deal on mine because no one wants it, until they drive it of course. Also keeps our car rare
Love this comment thanks and you're absolutely rite
Agree with what you say but you maybe should’ve worked on the ISF’s suspension to make it more stable at high speeds I hit 170 in mine felt really stable
Love doug’s content, but it seems he has a hatred towards jdm brands especially lexus and toyota
OK, I just test-drove a 2016 RC F in a very similar spec to the one he had, just 3 weeks ago, so it's pretty fresh in my mind.
Regarding the steering being light... While it's not the lightest steering, I also wouldn't say it's heavy. And, in Sport+, the response from the steering is very quick compared to my IS 300 I have at home. I also just drove a Camaro SS this past weekend (rental car), and found its steering to be notably heavier than the RC F's steering, so take that for whatever it's worth. I'm not saying Doug's right, because he's not. The RX is probably the last thing I think of comparing the RC F's steering with. However, it's not overly heavy either.
I sorta agree on the transmission being lazy... but only at low revs. If you really stomp on the gas, the shifts are quicker, no doubt. In more sedate driving, it's not worth using the paddles, but the transmission is very smooth and Lexus-like. I personally like the dual personality of the transmission.
Regarding the part about it being half-hearted... here's the other thing driving that Camaro made me realize. That Camaro is faster than an RC F. No doubt about it. However, it's just not nearly as quiet or refined on the inside - the ride seemed a bit firm, and its exhaust was pretty loud - both a good thing and a bad thing depending on the timing! I started to wonder if I would want to drive something like that every day. I didn't have that conundrum with the RC F - it felt every bit as comfortable as my IS 300 F Sport, in spite of it being obviously more capable. That versatility is what you are paying for with the RC F. You get a car that handles extremely well but is still something you could use to take your significant other on a weekend trip in comfort. (And I mean, the RC F is still fast, especially if you rev it all the way out.)
Unfortunately, I was only testing out the RC F to test the waters, since my lease has about 6 months left, still, so I am pretty sure someone already bought the Infrared one I drove. But I loved it. Hopefully there will still be some around in a few months.
Excellent hands-on impressions! Thanks so much for sharing.
I beat a 2016 Camaro ss in my rc f . Traction control off and put it in Sport mode not S+ mode and you will see. Definitely get one you really should Rc F
I work at a carwash and the new bmws with the ugly ass knobs make it so hard for customers to put their car into neutral lol.
Lol!
I had a BMW E90 & traded it in for the new 2018 Camry XSE. My BMW kept that engine light on almost every month. Barely 80k miles. My dads 97 Toyota Corolla has 167k miles with no issues. My moms 09 Camry has 80k miles no issues. My gf’s 07 Camry has 200k miles no issues...should I keep going? My little sisters 08 Camry has 170k miles no issues. My Camry currently has 33k miles so it’s too soon I think for issues. All I’m trying to say is that I thought I’d give a BMW the benefit of the doubt but it let me down. I kept it till 130k miles but lost a lot of money trying to keep it on its last leg, definitely was not worth it.
Sorry man about the BMW money pit. Welcome to better-built cars mate.
Thoughts on the M340i? Is this a balanced vehicle? Confort vs performance.
Doug is very biased towards German cars epsecillay Mercedes and then bmw
I love Mercedes. The Lexus is still better than the BMW.
One thing he did right: possibly affected the price and the car gets cheaper and easier to buy
That is why I unsubscribed from him.
I purchased an RC as a second vehicle and it's my first Lexus. I feel like the car has soul when I drive it. The complements and gawking from others is pretty crazy considering it's a 2016. BMW's look nice but tend to be more understated and bland. Not saying the M series isn't a blast to drive but I wouldn't want it as my daily.
You said it so right. I like Doug's videos to show us some new cars or cars we could never said... But then again... If you watch the videos and realize the statements are his take and opinions.. Nothing else
Your completely right. The RCF is a better all around package then the M4 by far. More tech and more luxury comfort AND performance with reliability
I still watch Doug's videos. Who else makes car reviews on "quirky" cars?
I just take everything he says with a Grain of salt.
These guys are just upset that the Lexus 5.0 in the F models is literally a bulletproof, reliable 300k mile track and daily driver monster with little, little maintenance through out its whole lifetime. The tranny is old, but it works. It can hold reliably 1000 hp. No issues. Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke. Still shifts fast as hell in manual at red line. It revs high. I think it’s the greatest induction sound ever in any production car and even modded that’s na. Lexus interior is one of the best quality pieces out there in the automotive industry. You can daily drive this 365 in every season and weather condition, go to the track everyday, throw down competitive times and still be able to go home and go to work the next day and get your groceries after and repeat. For 100s of thousands of miles. People need to quit comparing these cars to others. Nothing can compare to Lexus F models. There’s nothing out there like them hands down. They aren’t the best cars in the world at all but that’s not the point. The point is everything I said above.
I enjoy Doug's videos, but his review on the RC F was blatantly biased. Like we all see, he was finding things to bitch about for sure.
He shouldn't have even did a review on this car if he already had a loyalty to german brands.
I love my RC F.
Doug said the wing wasnt big enough for the price of the car. Which I agree with. Like does it make that much of a difference? It's like an inch lift. U could slap a lil ducktail on there and it would probably save weight and get the same amount of performance
Being active it's pretty koo to see it go up and down(unique) and theres a kit to make it go even higher
BLESS YOU FOR THIS VIDEO🙏🙏🙏
Doug is a punk boy, Doug thinks it's ok that a exotic car is worth 10 million dollars, but a Lexus costing 100,000 is to expensive
The M4 was going for 2019 $700 no money down.
Its the only way to attract people to lease more of them :)
Bro, I could give you a great handshake for this video. You speak for the general public unlike Doug who speaks for himself. These comparisons have ALWAYS been crazy to me. I dont get why anyone would want a harsh, stiff sports ride over a comfortable, smooth performance car? What the heck? How many people track race on a daily basis? Who the heck are these so-called ' car enthusiasts ' and how many of them are there? If the target market is race drivers then these comparisons will make sense to me. Who in the states is going to use 450 horsepower to the max on highways that have speed limits without negative consequences( speeding tickets, accidents etc). How many people race to work? So what if a German car is faster than my Lexus. What does it matter? All the public need and want is a car that is quick enough and can handle decently ,with reliability as a factor as well. That Doug score rating is hilarious but I just watch him because he does review a lot of cool cars. LEXUS by the way built their reputation on quality ,reliability and comfort. It makes sense why they would blend performance in WITH those other aspects These reviews are always so stupid to me. SMH! Thanks for the objective video. .
Glad you enjoyed it brother!
@@KirkKreifelsOh I loved it. So glad someone is saying what I have always been saying.
Who are all these people with both time and money to take their DD to the shop every other month? Such a big part of luxury is the peace of mind that you don't have to baby it.
I remembered when Doug said he thinks the styling of the car is really amazing, yet when he was giving his Doug score he gave it 6 out of 10 in styling.
I have purchased 10 brand new Lexus cars since 1997. Every single one has been perfect. Quality in a vehicle is just as exciting to me as any other attribute.
He is WRONG about many other cars too. I unsubscribed Doug’s channel long time ago, now I’m subscribing to yours.
Welcome to the lexurious fleet!
There is a Lexus isf on the internet with 200k which is same engine in RCF, where as this rcf will pull 200k and will be collector car and those BMW probably end up at the scrape yard lol, I don't understand how can Doug criticize such an amazing piece of engineering which will last forever and hold it's value for good 20 years, BMW are only good until their warranty expires, Doug just don't understand lol, he is really against Toyota/Lexus lol, I have Lexus es300 with almost 200k never changed its spark plugs, never had any major issue, and Prius 2014 with 325k with plastic interior none of the interior piece is broken yet, Doug is just biased lol
there is way more to a car than just reliability
@@kristians2704 lol I don't need to explain, look at the comment section you will know your answer
Lexus IS a great car. Full stop 🛑
I stopped watching Doug's review after a few of his weird grading scores. "This car is a great value! It's got high resale and is an amazing value! For my Doug Score gonna give it a 5/10." That and when he tried to sell signed pictures of himself lol.
Lol seriously? Someone is on an ego trip.
The part about the farting had me cracking up, I remember hearing it when I watched his stupid video months ago. I agree with everything you said, one observation though with the launch control, it is now standard on ALL 2020 RC F's, not just the track edition
Awesome! Thanks for watching and the info.
You're so right they're great, Doug got this so wrong its an uber reliable GT with great performance and reliabilty; who by contrast is going run any of the BMWs with their hot v turbos past warranty (or even within it).
Its pretty clear Doug prefers german cars over japanese cars, probably for "prestige" I dunno, He judges any car by modern supercar standards, a car that doesn't have 4 ipads glued to the dash and doesn't touch screen climate controls and such is "bad value" in his book, A car isn't "fun" if it doesn't have 600 horsepower, his reviews are extremely unbalanced as well, "halo cars"(Supra Mk4, MclarenF1, ) Have unfair advantages, some of his standards just go out the window to score a car higher. He does little to no research, Now I'm not saying you have to know every detail and every single aspect of a car, but come on his incompetency is almost humerous, almost. [example: 2018 mustang "I would assume long term reliability would be pretty good" mind you he was reviewing it around the time where there was enough info about the multitude of issues that car has AFTER the refresh (am not saying its a bad car, it had issues)] [Another one kinda rubbed me the wrong way was his Chevy SS review here in australia its the holden commodore SS/SSV VF, claiming how chevy tried to cut costs by not badging certain spots, leaving engine cover with only 'V8' and blank door sills and minimal badging, and he claimed that there is a "holden badge" underneath the SS stiching in the dash.
Anyways to end this, Doug seems to be one of those people do buy an expensive car and pay everyone else to work on it for him, The douche version. Looks down on normal car thinks like *gasp* no satnav, no automatic climate control. Yet he calls himself an enthusiast, The only enthusiast aspect I see in him is he likes cars, can drive manual and has a lot of money to afford cars. He might as well be named schmee at this point.
All great points ! The Lexus RC-F provides the driver the best of both worlds, speed, sound, comfort, looks and quality. He did an excellent job explaining the difference.
Some car reviewers don’t have a clue about what some cars are all about, and why they build them as they do.
I happen to own a 2015 Lexus RC-F and love it !
I had a rcf till someone ran a stop sign and totaled it its a awesome car I personally like it as a weekend car
Yes, an amazing second or third car...it could be a daily too!
That's tuff bro
Well, according to that blond on Girl on Swiss Roads that I watched just before you, this Lexus is a very good daily driver. In the cabin , it sounds very throaty like a racing car when she got on it. I would say it has a bit of personality. I would buy one.
As soon as Doug said "you can't heat and cool the seats at the same time", all his opinions went out the window for me lol
Perfect points. a lot of people don’t get the experience of lexus’s cars. if you want fast get an electric car.
Hey, great video.
Random question, have you ever driven an LFA?
Thanks! Not yet :)
LOVE my 2020 RCF! I never even consider an m4 because to me it's not even comparable. Plus I want to keep the car 10 years. With a BMW, not so much, and if I do, I can't imagine what it would cost to maintain...
Nice man. 2017 RCF owner here. Happy for you. What color did you get? Liquid platinum here. Hope you got a full clear bra for your car too.
@@nacho7614 I got ultra white. It did come from the factory with half of the hood protection the fenders and underneath the door handles. I've only put on like 60 mi in the car I'm trying to figure out who to take it to in order to get the rest of it wrapped up and protected.
@@NewShockerGuy ah man congrats. Ultra white! Sweeeeeet. That’s good it came with a partial bra, and on the fenders too. 60mi! Love it. Yeah def look around, get some pricing. I’m sure there’s some decent companies where you’re at too that can give you suggestions. I have the full hood, fenders, side mirrors, side skirts, pretty much anywhere you can think of a rock would hit. It’s def saved the paint. But yeah congrats though. Happy for you! Wanna race? Jk haha damn it your car has 5more HP and is a little lighter than mine! Lol
RCF is for daily driving. In most situations, putting down the full torque will me very hard to drive and can be dangerous.
I personally like the balance because I can use it as a daily driver and when I want to have some fun I can go to spot or sport plus and each setting is distinctively different and each has their use cases.
Has anyone done heads and cams for the 5.0?
Doug, the type of guy to eat cereal with chop sticks.
Doug was also wrong about the LC200 also. Have a look at the Video
LC 500? Maybe I'll watch that too.
Kirk you said you would own an acura for luxury and daily driving. Would you own a Lexus for the same two things and which lexus model would it be?
Most car reviewers tend to hate on or overlook the concept of "reliable" cars. Much less "reliable fun cars."
To me, if your going to spend the money on an RC F, move up and get the LC500 w/ performance package.
RC F second hand market is cheappppp
Owned a 2006 BMW 325 Ci for 16 years. Purchased a Lexus 2018 i300 F/S & noticed immediately how much “ easier” / comfortable the Lexus IS!
I’m currently on my way to pick up my RCF, I was a s197 mustang owner, excited to own a v8 once again.
The wing is a joke, you’re trying too hard to deny Doug
I like the car for the fact that they offer a torsen slick top option, knowing fully throughly it will sell next to zero unit. I’d like to think the PM tried to hold a last stand despite the limited resources given
Nail on the Head, Kurk DeKreifo! (Kidding)
Even though for my own reasons I still watch a lot of Doug’s videos but like I’ve pointed out in the other one, I can disagree with him and yes just because he says something doesn’t mean he’s right. It’s like any other UA-camr I watch.
With every vehicle, it’s placed in a class, and in that class it’s placed in a spot where there are cars that are worse and better than the one you are targeting. In this case the RCF. I’m OK with other cars being better than it, but I also love that this car is better than so many others. It has an absurd amount of horsepower and with easy aftermarket upgrades like superchargers, exhaust, etc. to get even more. They are VERY reliable, and has the ability for every day drive.
Anybody that I know with BMWs (have or had), mainly has had a lot of issues after the warranty or have experienced horrid resale value. Many others I know that have them say do not handle AT ALL in any condition other than bone dry ground. Once the BMW gets in rain of any kind there’s no grip at all and you’re holding on for dear life. While the RCF isn’t a saint in rain or sleet or snow, you’re going to feel a lot better and at ease when you see and hear the amount of complaints I’ve seen and heard with BMWs in weather conditions.
Like you said, the power, the style, the features, and the reliability is very important to me. I don’t want an uncomfortable dedicated track car. Many of these specific dedicated track handling cars when you had a slight bump in the road it’s bone shattering. No thank you! Both of these cars have their areas that they are perfected in. And that’s what makes them both unique and OK for the purchaser for whatever they’re trying to accomplish.
I’d NEVER buy a BMW unless I had unlimited money. Horrible resale and terrible money pits. Not because Scotty Kilmer said so... because that’s what I’ve known my whole life.
Thanks for the insight!
Doug needs to do another review of the RC f
Haha he does! I’m in oc, he can borrow my 2017 RCF and re do his review lol minus the fart at 7:52
@@nacho7614 lol yup
Agreed, I was debating on a m3 awhile back and after doing my research I went all in for a isf and loved it. I would still do the same, rcf over m4 any day.
Kirk > Doug
I’m dreaming for an LC 500, driving an NX at the moment and it’s VERY comfortable😊 had it for 5 years now and not a single break...
2:25 What do your mean? Of course it’s about performance it’s an RCF top of the RC range sport car. This isn’t a Toyota 86, you could probably skate with that comment if this were a video on that car instead, but this is Lexus’s $70k+ (new) 5 litre V8. Why is it weird to expect a focus on performance? That was a weird comment lol
I think he was off base (Doug). His video almost made me not want a Lexus RCF. I keep looking around and feel the M series BMW is a track focused coupe. The Mercedes doesn’t excite me when sitting in it. Although it’s sound is just 😘 *perfect. This Lexus IS different in styling. It’s luxurious as ever. The power and weight is so that it’s more comfortable to drive over longer periods in my opinion. I haven’t tested an RCF but if it’s what I think it is, I’d buy it first.
Hey Kirk why am I just finding this gem 😅 Anyways you’re spot on as usual. Doug just doesn’t rate Japanese cars in general for baseless reasons. He’s special.