@@Thoughtfluxwestern countries being allowed to do as they please while anyone else is guilty. E.g America in the majority of wars they have been in. Yet no arrest warrants for the us officials. I assume this is the double standard he is talking about.
More like they didn't sign to be part of the treaty right from the beginning. US, China, Russia, Israel and few others didn't sign the Rome Treaty. so why exactly should the ICC have jurisdiction over them when they never gave assent to its jurisdiction over them? African countries (under Kofi Anan influence) and others signed the treaty, giving the ICC power to prosecute them. and now they're complaining?
@@KelvinOdanz If someone from a non-ICC member state commits a crime worthy of prosecution and does it in an ICC member state, the ICC has jurisdiction over the allegedly guilty party.
@@KelvinOdanz So if people don't want to be possibly arrested and prosecuted by the ICC, don't commit a crime in a country that is a member of the ICC.
As an Australian, I actually hold a lot of respect for African nations for showing the strength of their commitment to the investigation, prosecution and punishment of crimes like war crimes and crimes against humanity, through the ICC.
Wrong. Slobodan Milošević et al was brought before an ad hoc criminal court called the "International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia", not the "International Criminal Court".
European governments are obligated to cooperate with the Court, not only under the Statute of Rome but also under their own law. Failing to do so could have them sued before their own tribunals and the ECJ or ECHR. Also, national judges are bound by international law and can order the arrest themselves.
As a proud Canadian, I'm happy to say that my country has been a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC) for 25 years. Canada signed the Rome Statute (the treaty establishing the ICC) in 1998, and officially ratified in July 2000. The ICC has jurisdiction over crimes such as genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression. Canada has been an active supporter of the ICC since its inception and played a key role in drafting the Rome Statute.
Ireland too, let's not confuse the US with the west here, most western countries respect and adhere to the jurisdiction of the ICC. If netenyahu were to enter Irish soil he would face arrest
@ the United States is not a ICC member, and doesn't recognize the court's jurisdiction and barely its existence, so how exactly does the United States use the international court for "western imperialism"?
The Oct 7 attack killed at least 1200... why are you saying 800? Oh ok, you're saying they killed 400 soliders... that's wrong numbers. Then you say 40,000 people in Gaza, mostly women and children... now tally of the militants? How do you know how many women and children but not how many militants? Dishonesty and lazy journalism.
because the ministry of health in Gaza only publishes name, gender, and age of recognized deceased people. Hamas military stopped publishing numbers very shortly after the war. Very hard for independent sources to verify thousands of causalities in an active war zone.
Frankly it’d be refreshing to put this hypocritical chapter in international politics to bed. Small powerless countries don’t run the show. We’ve been pretending that they do since it’s been convenient in the shadow of US global dominance. In a multipolar world we can all be a little more honest and admit that no these countries and people don’t have any say, they never have, and unless it’s convenient they never will.
"The court was meant to be a standard-bearer for criminal justice around the world". If it actually was like it (and this is very doubtful), then it failed spectacularly a long time ago when it didn't do anything about NATO invasions around the world
Like him or not but it would be very hazardous to say that Netanyahu's iron fist policy in the Middle east has nothing to do with Bashar El Asad fall & current normalization of Lebanese politics in the background of Hezbollah's collapse & weakening of Iran. The problem with projecting our (western) ethics standarts on the rest of the world is that it just doesn't really work. I would just shut down that institution. That said, it had to be tried. It doesn't work but at least we tried. The world is probably just not ready for it. Let's try again next century. Now if Iran's regime collapses in the next 12 month probably Netanyahu should be considered for Nobel peace price, even if extreemely counter-intuitive. It would be the biggest domino effect since WW2.
Wrong. Slobodan Milošević et al was brought before an ad hoc criminal court called the "International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia", not the "International Criminal Court".
Funny, the courts were only used against Serb leaders none of the leaders of the entity kosovo have been indicted or brought before them as nato/eu has done a great effort to help 'kosovo' leaders crack down on those who would testify against them and their crimes just as eu protects kosovo terrorists against Serb citizens.
The world will learn the neoliberal Obama era for America is over. American will no longer make ourselves small to appease weak countries. We are the most powerful nation the world have ever seen and we will act like it again, we make our own rules.
The thing is America is powerful because people in world wants to think it's powerful and say it. If African , south American and Asians refuse to cooperative then there's nothing US can do. Because it's 200 mn people Vs 5 bn people. If they refuse to accept dollar exchange the America collapses. You know even your so called military will not be able to help. All your nuclear weapons can't destroy 70 percent of world or 5 bn people.
From the global perspective, EU is just a client state of US, if US says it doesn't agree you practically have the answer what EU will be doing. As far as other Major Partners of Israel or Russia, most of them never signed up for the ICC thus their jurisdiction is completely ignored.
The ICC wanting to arrest a guy that defends his country from terrorism is crazy. The ICC needs to either pull back that arrest warrant and apologize or be shut down.
You call resistance to illegal occupation according to international laws terrorism. If Bibi is so sure of himself he should have no problem subjecting himself o judicial process like any law abiding civilized human being. After all his country is on trial at the ICJ while himself is being tried for criminal offence at home. Donald Trump also faced the judiciary and that's civility.
The hypocrisy never ends. We have learned nothing if the rule of law & the most basic levels of human decency do not apply to everyone . History has proven that power corrupts. And the ones who suffer are all who have no power.
The truth of the world is that while might doesn't necessarily make it right it certainly does dictate who makes the rules. The ICC was always going to be wholly ineffective against powerful states when there were conflicting interests. You can make up all the laws you want but if you don't have the requisite power to enforce them then it doesn't really matter. They're words on paper, ideals.
So the ICC is expected to apply double standards?
Yes. It is.
What double standard?
@@Thoughtfluxwestern countries being allowed to do as they please while anyone else is guilty. E.g America in the majority of wars they have been in. Yet no arrest warrants for the us officials. I assume this is the double standard he is talking about.
Yes. China is not Belgium and the US is not Singapore.
@@liamogorman3312 yes. The rules based order. 😂😂😂
Hypocrites run for cover when it’s their turn to face justice.
More like they didn't sign to be part of the treaty right from the beginning. US, China, Russia, Israel and few others didn't sign the Rome Treaty. so why exactly should the ICC have jurisdiction over them when they never gave assent to its jurisdiction over them? African countries (under Kofi Anan influence) and others signed the treaty, giving the ICC power to prosecute them. and now they're complaining?
@@KelvinOdanz If someone from a non-ICC member state commits a crime worthy of prosecution and does it in an ICC member state, the ICC has jurisdiction over the allegedly guilty party.
@@KelvinOdanz So if people don't want to be possibly arrested and prosecuted by the ICC, don't commit a crime in a country that is a member of the ICC.
@The_Handle_I_Want_Is_Too_Long Was it Hamas (Gaza) or Fatah/PLO (West Bank) that signed it for the "State of Palestine?" Genuinely curious here.
How about Bush, Blair, and Obama?
Biden, Blinken, Scholz, Starmer, and that other British PM I forgot…
What for. Make a proper accusation.
@ you might want to find news sources that don’t censor.
At least Putin will be free to travel where ever he wants.
American governments Should have been charged over many years.
Justice for thee but nor for me. America and west never cared about law and human rights
EU countries are members of the ICC and their nationals can be prosecuted.
The US sudden attack on the ICC is more to do with AIPAC.
Shhhh . . .
yup, like Netanyahu said, "there is no place the long arm of Israel cannot reach"
Survive? lmao, when did it ever work?
As an Australian, I actually hold a lot of respect for African nations for showing the strength of their commitment to the investigation, prosecution and punishment of crimes like war crimes and crimes against humanity, through the ICC.
Two face hypocrisy, West everyone should follow the ICC but we ourselves are not subject to it. 😂
We want to konw the real american peoples opinion
This is wrong reporting, the Serbian leaders were prosecuted years ago.
Wrong. Slobodan Milošević et al was brought before an ad hoc criminal court called the "International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia", not the "International Criminal Court".
It's really the behaviour of a bully to think yourself above the law, and threaten to beat anyone up if you're held accountable.
European governments are obligated to cooperate with the Court, not only under the Statute of Rome but also under their own law. Failing to do so could have them sued before their own tribunals and the ECJ or ECHR. Also, national judges are bound by international law and can order the arrest themselves.
No doubt about it. We all know that Trump is God...LOL.
I will just laugh and pass by 😂😂.
I would not miss them.
As a proud Canadian, I'm happy to say that my country has been a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC) for 25 years. Canada signed the Rome Statute (the treaty establishing the ICC) in 1998, and officially ratified in July 2000. The ICC has jurisdiction over crimes such as genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, and the crime of aggression. Canada has been an active supporter of the ICC since its inception and played a key role in drafting the Rome Statute.
As an Australian I proudly stand by you as a fellow member state and in support of the ICC and it's reason for existing.
ICC has been a cover for western imperialism for some time bro.
Ireland too, let's not confuse the US with the west here, most western countries respect and adhere to the jurisdiction of the ICC. If netenyahu were to enter Irish soil he would face arrest
@ how so? and what you have to say about Russian imperialism, btw?
@ the United States is not a ICC member, and doesn't recognize the court's jurisdiction and barely its existence, so how exactly does the United States use the international court for "western imperialism"?
ICC is as useful as the UN, and that's coming from a Dutch guy
I'm sure they all knew the ICC had limited reach. Can we create a system that doesn't?
Well, good riddance, then. Have they started packing yet?
The Oct 7 attack killed at least 1200... why are you saying 800?
Oh ok, you're saying they killed 400 soliders... that's wrong numbers. Then you say 40,000 people in Gaza, mostly women and children... now tally of the militants? How do you know how many women and children but not how many militants? Dishonesty and lazy journalism.
Life is life Bob.
@alexmost166 never heard of "soliders"
because the ministry of health in Gaza only publishes name, gender, and age of recognized deceased people. Hamas military stopped publishing numbers very shortly after the war. Very hard for independent sources to verify thousands of causalities in an active war zone.
Us dagger as to become King!!!
Rules for the not me😂
Frankly it’d be refreshing to put this hypocritical chapter in international politics to bed. Small powerless countries don’t run the show. We’ve been pretending that they do since it’s been convenient in the shadow of US global dominance. In a multipolar world we can all be a little more honest and admit that no these countries and people don’t have any say, they never have, and unless it’s convenient they never will.
ICC is complicit in western hegemony.
No, it's a symptom, not a cause.
"The court was meant to be a standard-bearer for criminal justice around the world". If it actually was like it (and this is very doubtful), then it failed spectacularly a long time ago when it didn't do anything about NATO invasions around the world
ICC please arrest Trump.
BJ, FOR WHAT? THE CRIME OF BEATING CORRUPT OPPONENTS? GIVE ME A BREAK.
For what? For saving the world from nuclear war?
Like him or not but it would be very hazardous to say that Netanyahu's iron fist policy in the Middle east has nothing to do with Bashar El Asad fall & current normalization of Lebanese politics in the background of Hezbollah's collapse & weakening of Iran.
The problem with projecting our (western) ethics standarts on the rest of the world is that it just doesn't really work. I would just shut down that institution. That said, it had to be tried. It doesn't work but at least we tried. The world is probably just not ready for it. Let's try again next century. Now if Iran's regime collapses in the next 12 month probably Netanyahu should be considered for Nobel peace price, even if extreemely counter-intuitive. It would be the biggest domino effect since WW2.
Imagine being so deranged as to think Netanyahu deserve a Nobel Peace award
Trump 😂😂😂
Joe biden really helped.
*LMFAO!!!* 😅😆😂🤣
Millosevic was there, Mlladic and many politicians from Kosova.
Wrong. Slobodan Milošević et al was brought before an ad hoc criminal court called the "International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia", not the "International Criminal Court".
Funny, the courts were only used against Serb leaders none of the leaders of the entity kosovo have been indicted or brought before them as nato/eu has done a great effort to help 'kosovo' leaders crack down on those who would testify against them and their crimes just as eu protects kosovo terrorists against Serb citizens.
it's not hypocrisy bibi action is not genocide as they say
The world will learn the neoliberal Obama era for America is over. American will no longer make ourselves small to appease weak countries. We are the most powerful nation the world have ever seen and we will act like it again, we make our own rules.
"Is that a good thing?"--Dr. Phil
The thing is America is powerful because people in world wants to think it's powerful and say it. If African , south American and Asians refuse to cooperative then there's nothing US can do. Because it's 200 mn people Vs 5 bn people. If they refuse to accept dollar exchange the America collapses. You know even your so called military will not be able to help. All your nuclear weapons can't destroy 70 percent of world or 5 bn people.
the icc is curupted
but not the government which was just bought by the richest man on earth🤡
@dustin1211 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hypocritical organisations are falling or gonna fall in the next few years and we are supposed to be sad about it. 😂
From the global perspective, EU is just a client state of US, if US says it doesn't agree you practically have the answer what EU will be doing.
As far as other Major Partners of Israel or Russia, most of them never signed up for the ICC thus their jurisdiction is completely ignored.
Nuk ju kuptoj respekt
The ICC wanting to arrest a guy that defends his country from terrorism is crazy. The ICC needs to either pull back that arrest warrant and apologize or be shut down.
You call resistance to illegal occupation according to international laws terrorism.
If Bibi is so sure of himself he should have no problem subjecting himself o judicial process like any law abiding civilized human being.
After all his country is on trial at the ICJ while himself is being tried for criminal offence at home.
Donald Trump also faced the judiciary and that's civility.
We all know who is the Court Occupied by.
The day ICC started persecuting Isrealis, it became controversial.
ICC needs to go. UN support for terror is also condemnable.
So much for rule based international order.
These international bodies have political agendas too
Question?
Is anybody from Iran, Qatar or Saudi Arabia on the ICC LIST?
They wont get BIBI or Gallant
The hypocrisy never ends. We have learned nothing if the rule of law & the most basic levels of human decency do not apply to everyone .
History has proven that power corrupts. And the ones who suffer are all who have no power.
The truth of the world is that while might doesn't necessarily make it right it certainly does dictate who makes the rules.
The ICC was always going to be wholly ineffective against powerful states when there were conflicting interests.
You can make up all the laws you want but if you don't have the requisite power to enforce them then it doesn't really matter. They're words on paper, ideals.
ICC ISRAEL TURF GONE
No, Donald Dumb won't survive ICC and unification of Eurasia.
What is going on w/ DW resp. Germany.... Is DW US or EU broadcaster?