CAMPING CARRY!
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2022
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We sit down with Talon Sei, a well practiced overlander and firearms enthusiast about his take on going camping or overlanding with firearms! We will go over Talon's personal set up as well as other details pertaining to being out in the wild with guns. self defense is important no matter where you are and arguably more important when you find yourself out in some remote regions. - Навчання та стиль
The more accurate question is " why would you go in the woods without a gun??!!
Because I don't like the idea walking in the mountain that been million years before humans ever in earth in the night only hoping for flashlight and fucking rock you expect to face a wildlife or even the creature that been there for thousand years..
@@cateatingsushi4108...what 💀💀
@@cateatingsushi4108You do realize he said "why go WITHOUT a gun" not "why go WITH a gun" he agrees with you that its dumb to go out into the wilderness without one.
As to why go without, unfortunately there are certain places and situations where there may not be time or means to carry a firearm with you. They are few and far bettween but they do exist.
@@cateatingsushi4108 Bro is the president of yapan.
@@cateatingsushi4108 I lost brain cells trying to read this...
I typically camp alone and am a 64 year old white guy that carries a few extra pounds. I may be a target but I will not be a victim. Some people think I am paranoid. With the crazy nutballs and druggies that are out there, you bet I 'm paranoid. But also prepared.
I agree I do the same
Correction: Most National Parks do allow firearms. They don't allow firearms in any of the park facilities but in the park itself most do allow firearms. Unless this has changed in the last few months.
I think this is still current.
I was about to comment the same thing. Allowed in the park, not in any federal buildings. Also, it must be open carry. No concealed carry allowed from what I remember. I have experience doing this while backpacking in Big Bend National Park. You can take them into bathrooms and and such "facilities" that are not inside of the federal building such as an office or visitor center.
Yes you are correct, but it’s against federal law to fire a gun in a national park for any reason. So you can protect yourself against wildlife or crazy people, but you will go to jail if you get caught doing so and lose your gun rights forever.
@@mmagscott Get eaten by a bear or go to jail? That's a tough call.
Yup, still allowed. Thanks to Obama surprisingly lol
Thanks for having me on guys 🤘🏼
Miss your gun content! You and Mike should bring back the gun vids together! A REVIVAL!!!!!!
Did you get in a situation you had to use your guns?
First, you can carry in National Parks, but they have special rules. Second, if you are going to the woods and taking a vehicle, then have options to open carry, concealed carry, and bring a long gun. That short .300 is nice, but bring a long gun. Maybe a gun you could hunt deer or small game or take a long shot in the woods with. Don't be afraid to strap that long gun to your chest or backpack. Also, strap that pistol to your hip OWB. If you are backpacking and your hip is covered up then use a fanny or chest rig. It is much harder for someone to sneak up on you or be in your presence without you knowing so having a concealed carry is less important. Additionally, if you are in an area with predators, then remember that they are much faster and more violent than humans when they want to be. Open carry is just smart. Also, depending on what you are doing in woods, have options for light or heavy loadouts. Keep all this in your truck. You have the space, use it wisely.
Don't break the law? Criminals and predators don't care about the law.
The target audience of the video is law abiding citizens so the advice is spot on.
But if you make shit hard to do legally you make it a lot harder to do *illegally*
You would then be a criminal
And that's exactly how we separate from criminals. By obeying the law.
To quote a much wiser man than myself "the odds that you will need to use that firearm are SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than the chances of you running into legal trouble because of having that firearm in a non-permissive environtment".
Maybe its different in your locality however in mine there are a great many public forests and public camping grounds where it IS legal to have a gun with you. If possible its just better to avoid areas where they are prohibited all together. Just like buisnesses if they are hostile to my beliefs I will not waste my time and money on them.
My son and i went hiking today in our woods and my neighbors woods i had my 12.5 ARP with extra 30 rounds we have all kinds of potential threats where we live here in Southeast Missouri...i love just hanging out in the woods listening to the peace.
Top Tier gear & presentation. Thanks
Exactly what I've been looking for
I agree with everything in this video accept the fact that he's not carrying more ammo in boxes stored in his car for both firearms. Being that he travels to remote places.
Talons the best!!!
Even with a gun, I would steer clear of camping in national parks. Too many cases of people going missing there. Very sus.
Rest his soul, My buddy got killed by a bear while fishing carrying a nine mil. They found the bear a mile away with 18 shots. So it will kill a bear unfortunately in this case not quick enough.
Sorry for your loss.
rip 🙏🏿
Bigger caliber then
@@Cha0s_Generat0r You know the lord is in control for sure.
Sorry for your loss, any idea what kind of rounds?
@@mok2323 so it’s a fine line between wich rounds you can be accurate with but at the same time be able to put rounds out quickly I have a 45acp that I make my loads specifically for the occasion so I have hard casts in bear bear country I’d also recommend the 10 mil but that being said you want a front heavy pistol so you level out while aiming
I like to bring a Mossberg 500 with a light and Velcro side saddle . if I want to go grab some squirrels or some rabbits I can when in season. it is still a very affective tool for self defense out to 200 yards. plus its cheap so you dont care about it getting scraped
This is a great for a trunk gun anywhere in the US.
I honestly open carry / carry owb when I'm in remote wilderness. It's more comfortable to wear than iwb and quicker access.
Local Littleton guy here. I open carry on the trail when climbing 14ers. I carry more when just camping. I protect myself from any attacking wild animal, including humans. I fear humans more than wildlife. And open carrying with a full backpack and gear, the gun won't really stick out to their eyes, and if it does I don't really care. I carry a full size 40 with an extra mag and that's another couple pounds added to my regular gear, but I figure my life and peace of mind are worth it. Helps me sleep at night. For wildlife I'd probably just have to shoot the ground so they hear it and feel it in the ground. Humans are actually more dangerous. And the weapon-light I carry on my sidearm is the most powerful light I have on a climbing trip. I prefer the Olight PL-Pro Valkyrie @ 1500 lumens and disorienting strobe that would mess with even a bear's mind. That powerful strobe is a defensive weapon in and of itself, even in downtown anywhere.
Yeah im leaning this way too
@@Emilioisasi I don't have experience in confrontations, and I really want to keep it that way.
I like the deterrence mindset, especially with the strobe light you mentioned. Even without a gun, a small tactical flashlight with that feature is nice to have.
@@vikramgupta2326 I can't agree more. I had never experienced a powerful strobe light before, and I'd not even experienced a light that goes over 1000 lumens until last year. Both the power and the strobe are equally important. At 1200 lumens a modern LED strobe light is a powerful psychological weapon - I don't care what the animal is. However, full discloser, I have no field experience. I have no experience in what I'm talking about, except that I have seen that affect on me. I have used it on myself, and it's a mind-bender. (Edit) When the lights go out the brain tries to adapt, and does a great job in any animal, but when dark goes to brights to dark to brights... any brain of any animal is going to play catch-up and be lost. That's my theory.
Last Line Of Defense makes the most comfortable appendix rigs I’ve ever worn.
Dispursed camping is way more scarry that typical camping
Not preaching to the choir. Thank you. Stalked by a mountain lion on one of my recent hikes.
When hiking or carrying I take my shield plus. I have the 13 round magazine with hollow points my 10 round and a back up 13 round I have FMJ.
Great option to have
My camping gun is a Ruger SR1911 .45
Sort of refreshing to hear the emphasis on the veracity of 9 mm and know how to use the whatever platform you select. I agree that will cover you 99% of the time. Personally, though, I have decided I'm not going in any bear country.
You realize most of America is bear country. I've seen bears in Texas, California, NC, and Montana.
I carry a pistol, my wife carries a pistol, and we keep a 9mm ruger carbine in the truck. Nothing fancy.
Ruger's are awesome. They aren't anything fancy, but they always work and work well.
At work or in town my edc is a glock 19 gen 3. Been carrying it for years. My woods or camping carry is a ruger GP 100 357MAG. I keep 3 speed loaders. 1 i have it loaded with cci shotshells for snakes and big ass apiders lol. And 1 is loaded with buffalo bore heavy outdoorsman. And the last one loaded with 357 jsp. Its kinda like a Swiss army knife it can prepared for what ever the qoods throws at me
Dang good promotions ill give him that!
New to the platform. Cheers!!!
Carry a trusty Norinco while hiking. I always get the question if im hunting. Nope. Just for protection. And the foul looks i get. 😅😊
Glad you came across my feed! Excellent video brother, stay dangerous! SUBSCRIBED
Talon sent me. 👍
Gun, paint ball pistol, taser, high power flashlight, sling shot, BB gun if you already have BBs, baton, spear, pepper spray, baseball bats, sword, hammer, axe. Fire works, knives, hard gloves or brass knuckles. Multiple people, dogs, bloody meat to toss on the predator, like get wild life on your side, armor is important too, laser pointers.
So in the video, at around the 11 minute and 40 second mark, YOU said that carry is not legal in MOST national parks. You, YOURSELF, should learn the law before you spread falsehoods around. According to FEDERAL LAW (which has supremecy over national parks) carrying a firearm in national parks is perfectly legal as long as it’s okay in the state where the park is situated to open and/or concealed carry, generally. Only in the buildings located on all national park lands is it illegal to carry your firearm. I am very surprised that YOU PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW THIS and are providing bad information. Kindly get your facts right in the future.
Well said 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾bro
Good advice, but these people are not experts, so don't get worked up setting them straight. What needs to be said is that the people who watch these videos should stop staking their lives and actions on the advice of a dude on a UA-cam video.
Hell, Talon whipped his gun out and did not immediately check it for safety purposes.
"I'm sorry Mr perfect! I guess I forgot you never ever make a mistake!"
He did qualify his statement that he wasn’t the one to be able to speak on it.
Triple J Armory,
Thank you very much for uploading this highly informative and fun video.
I have one question though.
How difficult is maintaining the red dot when camping, hiking, or hunting, particularly in bad weather, and can the gun still be used effectively if it got dirty (obviously one can clean it when at camp, but I mean the period when you are still hiking)?
Thank you very much in advance for taking the time to answer my question.
So you have two types of dots mainly, Open and closed emitter. Most are open which can lead to dirt, dust and general grime getting in and potentially blocking off or messing with the emitter which renders the optic kinda useless. Closed emitter all these issues are pretty much solved and mitigated minus stuff getting on the outside glass which can just be wiped off. This is why I always preach to have back up options when using a red dot or really any optic on any platform. for a pistol having some back up ( suppressor height ) irons that can co-witness with the red dot could be very valuable and are a relatively cheap back up option to have. In general though depending on how you carry it is unlikely that you are going to be in a situation that causes the red dot to be that dirty or messed up to the point that it isn't useable. Hope that helps!
@@TripleJArmory ,
Yes, that definitely helps! Thank you very much for the very quick and quite detailed reply!
Need me a set like that
I own a farm and I only have one Rifle for the sole purpose of culling pests on my farm, I've been camping out all over the country and in remote places and never needed to carry any kind of firearm. 👍 My Ego is big enough LOL.🤭
For the outdoors I would say for the Skinwalkers
I love the red dots, but my woods gun has iron sights 10 mm Glock 20😊
Me too. Tough to argue against something that is also proven in Alaska!
perhaps a concealed pocket pistol in my pocket to defend myself when I am resting during camping . If someone tries to sneak up on me at night when I feel very sleepy , it will be hard for me to find the rifle or pistol inside my backpack .
I set on an alarm wire trip, no animals or lunatics are getting close without me noticing
I personally carry a micro 9mm for my EDC but I take a 10mm XDM Elite with a light and red dot camping and hiking. Bear and mountain lion country where I’m at
I camp with a G20, tlr1, kkm, Underwood EP.
Agree, Not likely to need to protect from wildlife, as they generally have respect for other living things... whereas some humans sometimes do not.
I agree with most of what they shared here, however, I still have a question to ask...why not to bring into the woods a Glock 20 instead (also)?
I'm going camping with my friends and I was wondering if I should bring my AK what do y'all think?? I don't have a handgun because I'm only 19
Also add batteries
Going into the woods?
Rule number one always carry a gun.
Good video but my right ear is lonely.
😂 yaaaaa dont worry we fixed that issue
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G26/G23👑💨🦌🐗🐻 are the only two you’ll ever need edc both, keep HPs(HST/Winnie’s) in the oem standards and CDuty/FPFMJ/underwoods in marked extds 💨🚘🐗🐻,and 10.5 AR/AKP folder best for EDC but don’t fold ARs 10.5s collapse 1click with 20rd starters and belt/chest rig fits 🎾🎻🎸🧳😎
I like Glock because it used to be my duty weapon. Former Delta operators seem to choose Glock for EDC because of the same reason.
Old Delta Operators like Larry Vickers, Brian Searcy, Pat MacNamarq, and Kyle Lamb used 1911s until the unit went to Glock a few ears ago. Even General Scotty Austin, Delta officer who later rose to 4 star and became commander of US forces in Iraq, packed a 1911 on his hip. Lots of pictures of him packing a 1911 on Google. He recently went to so customized Glock. As a 4 star can carry whatever he wants and no one will tell him otherwise.
Don't subordinate or sell your LE training and experience short to the Military.
The Military, even Delta, has a different mission under different circumstances.
From your comment I surmise you were LE like me.
You have done an infinite number of shoot don't shoot, building searches, and enforcement actions in urban/country settings in the US.
Here we have laws, scrutiny, and Rights to contend with. Mil mostly does not.
While there are things we can learn from the Military, there are many things they can learn from LE.
Just a thought!
I have a glock 48 everyday carry and my first bought firearm it is nice.
You’re very wrong about National Parks, believe it or not Obama passed a law on that which allows you to carry inside parks if the state the park is in allows it
I work L.E. south of the border. The outdoors is not what it used to be. Couple of months ago I was hiking with my 2 youngest daughters and older son and a guy comes up running on the trail behind us asking for help to get his 4 wheeled bike back on the trail since he supposedly ran off the trail a ways back but we didnt see any tracks on the narrow trail we were in. Turned out he did had an accident and indeed needed help but the " what if " was always on the back of my mind and It was the one day I didnt carry. So I decided to never do that again and carry my issued h.g. in an empty Camelbak ( no bladder)fanny pack since it blends in with our gear and activities. It also helps to have a " code" word or phrase for your family or group to say when you sense danger and there are other people present and a corresponding s.o.p. Best wishes to everyone out there camping or on the trail. )
Love the honey badger. Enjoy the conversation and point of view. I would have liked to hear what you do in more restrictive states?. I’m up in Canada and of course highly restrictive made options limited but benefit of federally licensing is that same rules apply nation wide. And since we can’t take pistols to the bush without basically a trappers license or licensed hunting guide those are not options. Add in Liberals just put through a freeze/ban on pistols. So all of us grandfathered are the last generation to own pistols and as we die so will the guns to the Chopin block. No more handing down, selling, gifting, nothing!
That being said my two back woods, and we have a whole lot here, are my .357 mag lever gun with red dot and light. Second is my custom 870. Again red dot and light but I keep on hand bear defence rounds rubber buck and/or slugs. Respect wildlife and I do hunt but when camping and the wildlife get a little to comfortable I prefer to give them a reminder and send them in their way before euthanizing them.
300blk out for the skin walkers😁
I seen another video that said you cannot open carry a gun on federal property which would be the forest
I like a big 686 or Python on my hip for around the campsite/cabin. I'd like to carry something pretty and interesting when I'm outdoors. I think it's honestly ridiculous you can't defend yourself in national parks but in all fairness guns have been used to vandalize property and poach wildlife in the parks for a long time, of the consequences for doing it weren't so high I would say as long as you aren't illegally discharging it it shouldn't be anyone else's business
Its legal to carry in National Parks.
I know you are a very experienced traveler but you are wrong about national parks and firearms. That change was made back in the day, I was actually working in Yellowstone as a summer employee.
I don't go to my own back yard without a gun let alone camping . Dumb question .
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Hell yeah. Same here, brother. If I’m awake, I’m carrying. Even in the house.
I spent way too long trying to figure out why there was no voice audio until I finally read a comment saying it was painful to watch with headphones... no voice in the right channel...
Ik same!!! 😅
Carrying in National Parks is only legal with a CCW
Depends on the state.
A nine mm can go a long distance. Just about any caliber will travel a long distance. Just saying.
BTW, have you ever had to point the gun at anyone while camping much less pull the trigger?
Talon is one of the reasons i started to edc especially appendix carry, Talon is also the reason why my first Glock was from AgencyArms. 😅 ooh and i tried Jägermeister… he could keep that last one 😂
Be careful, you can carry in national parks but you have to follows all gun laws in the state the park is located.
I do my best to carry where it is legally permitted. Thankfully my entire state is relatively pro-gun and national parks in the area do allow perimtted carry. It's unfortunate that other jurisdictions and countries are much less freindly to rights like 2nd amendment.
Unfortunately part of being law abiding citizen is obeying the rules until we succed at changing them. Its what separates us from criminals and rioters.
Carry my glock 20 and 19 while hiking and camping.
Will never camp or hike anywhere without concealed carry ever - criminals don’t obey any laws
"9mm has killed more bears than 10mm" Sorce? Trust me bro.
No one has killed an adult bear with a 9mm and 5.56 has more ballistic capability than 300 lk.
Not out of short barrels.
Bro said “full size Glock 19”…
Dumb question,... why carry a gun? Are you kidding me. Carry everyday everywhere in todays world.
Whenever i be camping i always carry conceal even when wild life ranger or park ranger come to camp site and ask if anyone got firearm i Don't tell them i am arm why they got to know ?
Enjoyable commercial
Anybody that puts thought-to-lips with a question like, “why bring a gun camping,” is an absolute ‘tard. Look around these days…. Not having a gun at camp is like not having a fire extinguisher or smoke detector in your house these days.
Hey thanks for watching the video! surely you can deduce that this video is for entertainment and not a normal conversation.
Then stay home.
@@kenjkbs Why stay at home when I have a means to protect myself when out in the bush? Don’t be scared.
7:07 that is not true their are million of hunters that have killed bears with 10 mm and made the 10 mm higher in kills on bears
Am I the only one who didn’t get any audio?
Am I the only one that can’t hear any audio in this video?
Glock 19 is compact gun Glock 17 is full size Glock
Dude I've watched your camping videos. Taco or van. You must do a real good job of concealing, or your not carrying. For bears, 12 ga with slug shot.
Great video but playing music kinda made it hard to listen to you two talk.
Why bring a gun camping is like why saying breath air
The strangest part about carrying in national parks, is you can carry, but you can’t legally fire a gun in a national park even for defense against wildlife. Talk about disincentivizing reporting if you have to shoot a bear,lion ect…. I would guess this federal administration would love to arrest you for using a gun in a national park.
Do we really need to go DEEP in nature to enjoy it? Leave the animals something. I have a "Mc Donalds" rule. If I can't get to Mc Donalds before it closes for the evening, Ive hiked too far into nature.
damn only left channel audio is annoying
As soon as he said Colorado I’m like…..These dudes seem like hipsters!👀🤔😳
If you don't walk around with a gun on your hip being a loudmouth, most people wont care. I prefer to keep concealed. Have it under a coat or shirt. Easy to get to yet doesnt raise any complaints from Karens "oh he is carrying a gun!" If im truck camping, I can toss in a 12 gauge shotgun loaded woth 00 buck and sabot slugs for big predators or insistent 2 legged predators. Im a 1911 .45 giy but in the woods, my FN FNX .45 is better. 15 rounds per magazine and 2 loaded spare mags is a lot of firepower. The stainless steel slide is coated in corrosion resistent finish and with a thermopolymer frame it is a great outdoor pistol. Impervious to weather, snow, rain, salt, sun.
How ru going to kill bear
I recommend choosing a gun that is 50 state legal.
I always have my grandfathers old detective 38 special in a pocket holster or in a fanny pack. Ammo strips are tiny and thin.
If I’m ever in a defensive scenario a couple pops to the belly is what I expect to be forced into if the sight of a revolver still doesn’t stop an idiot. Plus 38 revolvers are legal in almost all states.
I also carry a good old fashioned 12g shotgun. Mega powerful and again legal in almost all states.
Both guns aren’t tactical and most cops don’t think much of them if you tell them you have them.
Do you have any guns on you?
Yes officer. An old revolver and an old shotgun.
Cool. Don’t touch yours and I won’t touch mine.
Understood sir.
"Full size Glock 19" 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
9mm for the hood 10mm for the woods.
You always carry a gun. Even to sh!t. I carry my sidearm and a lever gun to camp.
😂 not in Wa carry gun for camping. That stupid one nation but different state…I am known why criminals not scared of laws
Yeah rhat Talon guy is full of ish
This was painful to watch with headphones
who are these people. They almost seem like a caricature; gear as an identity is so weird. Just live
9mm in the woods is insanity
Or just be a tough guy and don’t live in fear…
Until you get randomly stopped and frisked by the park rangers
This was a weird video to me. It was just awkward context and nearly like the guy was clueless about guns even though his channel is called "Triple J Armory"..
Understandable, this was one of our first attempts at a UA-cam video we know we could have done better
Don’t really see what was weird about it… it’s a video about carrying while camping on a video about camping while carrying.
What i found strange was the fact that they didn’t do any research about the legality of carrying in national parks. One thing people are commenting that its legal to carry in national parks according to the state laws the park resides in, but it’s illegal to fire a gun inside a national park for any reason. So if you have to defend yourself, you better not report it.
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please, just stay out of the woods
Why? It’s Mother Nature!
What bag did @talon_sei have the first glock in?
Just to advise you, Your comment on carrying a firearm in a national park is incorrect. Per the credit card responsibility and accountability act of 2009 anyone not legally prohibited from carrying a firearm can carry in a national park or national forest if that state allows for open or conceal carry. You just can't carry in the ranger station, bathrooms or money collection buildings.
You can't constitutionally carry in the bathrooms?
@@grizzly6604 Unfortunately no. Your in a national forest, when in Rome. Go in the woods. Nobody ever said the government was intelligent when it comes to making laws.
Guys, just take kal.50 with :) I am sure it is enough .
I live in grizz country and your a damn FOOL if you ain’t pack’n while camping or or just out in the bush period!!!