The 62MAS FINALLY gets a Name! (Seiko SJE099)
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2023
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The 62MAS, though affectionately referred to as a nickname, falls short in encapsulating the true essence of Seiko's first and most important dive watch. Consider Rolex and their iconic Submariner - a name that has become synonymous with excellence in the world of diving watches. Seiko's first-ever diver deserves more than a casual moniker and Seiko recognizes the profound impact a name can have in the world of watch marketing.
The MARINEMASTER isn't just a renaming; it's a strategic move that aligns with the brand's commitment to excellence and innovation. Experience the upper regions of Japanese craftsmanship with the Seiko Marinemaster SJE099. This divers watch seamlessly blends precision engineering with a sleek design, featuring a high-beat movement and a sapphire crystal for unparalleled durability. Seiko SJE099, SJE101, SJE097.
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Well executed. Much more affordable than a Rolex Submariner w/date ($10,250). Buy the Seiko, and take a 2-week trip to Mexico, and still have money leftover!
I actually prefer the unsigned crown.
I'm definitely loving the looks of it, and I hope Seiko continues to make use of the 6L movement in various watches. Seiko going thinner is absolutely something I would like to see.
I like it… the 3 things I do not like:
1. the greenish lume
2. the price
3. the clasp
Christmas greetings from germany
Exactly
Merry Christmas 🎄 I've seen a surprising amount of German viewers the last couple months interesting
Thanks for making this video and sharing your points of view on this new Seiko diver. It’s no doubt a great looking Seiko diver, but it makes me appreciate my SPB299 Marinemaster 200m Glacier dial and SPB149, the 62MAS LE reissue much more! Luckily, both of mine are running within COSC specs.
That thickness is to die for! 😱
could be better if it was solid caseback!
Beautiful! Wearable dimensions, an elegant dial and the crown at 3! The unfinished indices are somewhat disappointing but all in all I love it!!
This is a great looking watch. Very modern with so many Seiko call backs. It's a great modern Seiko. I agree very Seiko evolved.
I'm a watch enthusiast and I don't mind date windows, if well implemented. Like if it's at 6 o'clock most of the time I think it looks fine. This one is subtle enough it's not distracting and feels like a bonus feature.
The "Marinemaster" name badge is a much welcomed return. I wish this was never removed on my blue dial MM300. Thank you for your video!
Great review.
Not for me, I prefer the 62MAS 😂
Wao!! Great review 👍 keep up the good work and merry Xmas
I love it. Wish I could afford it.
I was a bit apprehensive about this at first, but damn they're stunning in the flesh! I'm sold!
39.5mm. Perfection👌
Always enjoy your reviews! Way to go seiko for bringing it back, loveee the new look!
Glad you like them!
Thanks for the Christmas gift FT! The watch looks great... It's going to be a hit!
Merry Christmas 🎁
@@EscapementWatch what's your Facebook Bro...I'm gonna invite you to our 37K strong Seiko club...
I do not have it. I got off the platform over 2 years ago. But thanks anyways.
So they have named something "Marinemaster " that isn't actually a Marinemaster. Well done Seiko.
With that logic even the marinemaster 300 isn't a real Marine master because the first Marine master was a 100 m Seiko quartz in the 90s. Let's not pretend we know more about Seiko than Seiko knows about Seiko
Calling a diver a Marine Master but only have a 200 meter depth rating just makes no sense. I don't think this is a master of anything.
@@speedmaster7107 Who dives 200M ?
@@marioaquilina248Exactly. As a sport diver I have a cheap Citizen as my back up but use my dive computer for timing etc. Most casual divers will never go below 25m. So your 5000m Omega is as much use as getting your shopping in an F1 car.
For me 100M are more than enough @@jhuggs8840
I was under the impression that Marinemasters only came in the form of the MM300/600 or Tuna 300/600/1000m. This 62MAS-inspired Marinemaster honestly looks out of place and kinda like an imposter 😂
Actually the first ever Marine master was a 100 m watch that looked nothing like the marinemaster 300. So there's no hard and fast rule for marine Masters that people think.
@@EscapementWatch Please show me a 100m Seiko Marinemaster - key word - PROFESSIONAL. This new "Marinemaster" lineup is one of the most ridiculous Seiko releases in years. These guys in 2024 are charging $3000 for a watch with stated accuracy of -10 to +15 spd. Like you said "I can't believe it" 🤯🤯🤯
@@LukeZaklook for the SBCN005: first Marinemaster (with Marinemaster actually written on the dial), just 100m water resistant, ugly as hell, and quartz. Mate that should be like hell for you
Yeah I don't get it. They worked to purge marinemaster out of their lexicon, then randomly brought it back on an arbitrary watch. I thought a Marinemaster had some consistency to it, like all 300M watches and up, or something with a pattern. I don't get the random decisions.
@@EscapementWatch Yes dude. and the first submariner had measly water resistance by comparison. Stop being a Seiko apologist.
I bought this watch like a week ago. i was checking totally diffrent watches and the seller showed me this and oh boys i like it!
+ The fit is super nice! most comfortable watch that i ever tested!
+ really good looking braclet
Most commented things
- Signed or unsigned crown? Honestly i don't care.
- Open caseback, i love it!
- Date window? really nice atleast for me. I don't so often look the date, but when i need it, it's there! kind of hiding, but still being able to read it clearly.
- 200m water resistant? well ofcourse would be nice to have 300M, but honestly how many people really dive with these watches?
Only real downside was for me that when light is coming certain side angle, dial looses all contrast and it's hard to read.
everything else i like it!
-Bezel first sight i was in love! But know been watching also classical 10-20-30-40-50 bezels, but for this 15-30-45 is super good.
would be nice to see this colors and specs,with SPB299 style indicates and bezel.
Great review!
Excellent watch! i just wish they kept the marin master indices and made that date window more prominent. would still buy one though
Fun fact: Spb 185 and Citizen nb 1050 are the only medium price watches in the world with Zaratsu polishing.Citizen cost 550€ with brushing and polishing worth of 5k watch.
Yes!!! They put the name!!
Nice to see a Marinemaster back. Good looking watch. Cons out weigh the Pros especially at the price point. Good review. Thanks.
I like it more without the Name on the dail.
Probably when they put it on the bottom half, it would look better.
Pity they didn’t ditch the pro-spec logo from the dial and have it etched into the crown instead.
hopeing for that to be a trend in 24
Always enjoy your reviews. Can't wait to see Seiko's 2024 line up. Merry Christmas!
Happy holidays!
Me too! Merry Christmas!
I love the 4:30 date window!!
I need all indexes and the symmetry!
Beautiful watch which looks like it will be great for everyday wear. I believe it also has the Seiko super hard coating. A lot of competition at that price though.
Pros:
Good thickness and size
Lovely case finishing
6L37 Movement
Aligns???
Cheaper than the 62MAS
Cons:
Bracelet doesn't match the case
Clasp is trash
Bezel is ugly
Unsigned crown (WTF Seiko?)
Love your work promoting Seiko mate!
Haha thanks that's why Seiko pays me the big bucks!!! Kidding they don't know I exist but I do think they watched my grand Seiko sbgw231 video because they fixed the issue that I brought up lol
Very nice.
You are absolutely correct. It should say what it is on the dial for all of their watches.Also the crown should be signed.
The crown should be signed. Right. Because who doesn't need more branding in their lives?
@@justmeeagainn Really dude, I just thought it would add a nice touch .
Excellent video, absolutely excellent. Thank you.
I need this watch in my life !
I actually like them a lot even tho I won’t buy it for myself. I simply see no reason to replace my spb143 but for a marinemaster 300 (big one).
But it’s really good for them to have a modern skindiver in their premium segment which they where lacking.
Great review as always
wow wow this watch is great
Eu amei, muito lindo e barato.
Thanks for taking a look at this one, as I've been waiting to see a good hands on review. I think the dial is cool, and the hands are gorgeous. It's a shame Seiko still can't use applied markers at this price, but I'm also not going to be lookin at it on a macro level. It's not a deal breaker. It's frustrating that Seiko can't spend a few Yen on signing the crown on a Seiko LX model. I would love to get into a discussion with the person or people that made the decision to really only do that on their Presage models. I personally think anything above Seiko Essentials should have one. I think the bezel looks great, but I'd prefer if those edges were brushed. I'm sure it would help the grip a bit too, but it does look great and a bit more high end with the choice they made.
I do actually appreciate the display case back, but it's really just Seiko bending to modern tastes. A smart brand doesn't ignore what customers want though, and that goes for the date as well. While I get the watch fan's desire for a no date model for ease of setting, I actually still appreciate the date. I think I use it more than I think, because when I wear one of my watches without a date, I inevitably get annoyed when I have to dig my phone out of my pocket to look up the date. My now aging eyes (you'll get there eventually haha) would probably struggle with a date that small though. I recall when Monta added a no date option to the Ocean King line. I asked them later about the sales break down, and I recall the no date was only about 30% of sales. I think the no date crowd is just a vocal minority.
I really don't care for the way the end link contrasts so much with the case. I wish they would have gone another route in the design, but I also can't say I have a suggestion on how to fix it. I'd just send them back to the drawing board. The links themselves look fantastic though. Only 2 micro adjusts is a bit frustrating, but I guess they're trying to balance elegance with functionality in this level of watch. I think even just a 3rd slot would be a huge win. I have some watches with 5 micro adjust slots and I just don't use them all, plus it makes for a bulkier clasp. Seiko really just needs to engineer their own quick adjust clasp.
Overall, I think this is a nice release though. I might end up putting it on a nice rubber strap if I pick one up. The fact that these are not limited (unlike the SJE093) is exciting news.
Thanks for sharing. But for the applied indices it's not a cost issue it's a philosophy issue. They think that a Pro Diver should have no fail points on the dial which is a shame. The seiko rep I spoke to told me they stamped the dial if I remember correctly nine times and it's a high failure rate and they throw out a lot of dials it probably cost them more to do the stamp dial. Remember they do applied indices on $70 Seiko 5s
@@EscapementWatch Oh, that's really interesting. Thanks for that info! I never thought of it like that.
Love the look of this one!
looks better in person!
This looks fantastic and I love the dimensions. However, pressed indices, pathetic bracelet and $2800.00 price tag make this an instant no. Seiko marketing must be based on "there's a sucker born every minute."
What would you get for $2800 instead of this?
A San Martin 62MAS homage + a half decent used car.
Oris Aquis 39.5mm immediately comes to mine. $2300.00 US. @@CamelJockey562
@@marvinarmstrong3372😂
I think Seiko should have made it a no date to keep the dial's symmetry.
I love my 62mas mocachino on the brown rubber strap.
awesome marinemaster 200
Looks-wise, it's not for me, but that's subjective. What isn't though is how poorly those end links integrate with the lugs. This bracelet was specifically made for the watch, why doesn't it fit? What were they thinking?
It's because of the 62mas connection of the lugs. So the only way to make it perfect is to make it square and they don't want to do that. so the round and square mixture never really works well. Rolex datejust endinks does not fit in perfect as well it's like a desired look love it or hate it. It has a tucked in look I showed on the most recent datejust review. And part of the Jubilee sticks up above the lug it's a really cool look.
So what will the community end up calling this watch? 1.) 62MM 2.) MM200 3.) 62Evo 4.) 62Master ? I think we might have to strip the title from the spb mm200's as maybe it shouldn't have never been called that. The first Seiko MarineMaster was a 100M quartz watch. Now we got a 200M and of course the MM300 everyone knows. The Tunas are the 1000m MM's as well.
I agree MM200. It is more deserving of the name. I agree on the criticism on the clasp and the unsigned crown but I also agree this watch look positively beautiful and I want the black one. I really like the unique bracelet design. I wonder if they will carry it over to the new MM300.
62Evo sounds cool 😅
2024 should be very interesting as Seiko makes its come back.
I got the SPB185 which is the MM200R - I vote 62MM or 62Master. The MM200R wears perfectly on the wrist so I expect the SJE101 to be at least as comfortable - this is the one I'll get once it's available.
Thank you for the nice video and nice telling.
Is there a dust particle on the 8 marker or am I wronning ?
It could be a crack in the polish as the markers aren't finished well. But the dust was basically zero on the under top side of the sapphire and dial. Hands were pretty perfect as well.
Excellent review as usual! Like Rolex, Seiko seems to be moving aways from a tool look to a jewelry look. I prefer an aluminum bezel and a non-textured dial. I also do not care for the 15-30-45 bezel. I've always preferred the Seiko fully graduated 10-20-30-40-50 bezel. This is something different, so I'm sure these will sell - Seiko knows what they re doing.
Agreed. The display case back is also a move away from tool look. I hope for a solid caseback version in the future and maybe a sunray dial next year. Also, a lot of people are saying this is not a real marinemaster when the first ever Seiko Marinemaster was a Qaurtz 100m watch. Sooo as much as customer like to talk and me included, nobody knows more about SEIKO then SEIKO. So I agree they know what they are doing. My best guess is they will do MM teirs. 100m for quarts, 200m for 62mas, 300m for new mm300 and 1000m MM will stay the Tunas.
I love this watch 😍nice review
Thanks for watching!
INSANE price tag
Referring to the bracelet links... You referred to them as "eclipse-shaped". I think you meant to say "ellipse-shaped"
yes correct
Great video! Can you tell me what watch (blue dial) you wear in the start of the video? Cheers.
Grand Seiko Kishun Sbgw283
This watch would look so much better with more simple dials
$20 clasp on a $3,000 watch 😂
It's a $800 watch, they are just selling it for $3000. But your comment is still valid for a $800 watch.
Not a fan of the overly-aggressive bezel edge. The rest of it is pretty fantastic.
This new movement has me excited for the future of Seiko divers
WISH...... Seiko can use "tapered" metal bracelets similar to many swiss brands .... will look awesome!!
This one tapers from 20 down to 18 mm
Nice watch
Sure is
A porthole date window and it's at 430? That's a huge 1,2 punch from Seiko and not in a good way.
I knew it!
I❤❤it
That pressed divers extension is a crime against Horology
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I liked those big knucle-busting MarineMasters, either quatrz or self winding, but they SAID MareineMaster on them above the 6.!!!! Now available used only. Why does not Seiko bring those back? The black dial Seiko Turtle I have on my wrist cost $295 on a rubber strap in Dec. 2016. Had a new movememt put in June, 2023 for Total of $175. Runs great, looks great. Got to losing 10 min in 3 days. The 4R36 is still very available, so I had a new one put in. Cheap. He could not regulate the one that was acting up. Now the Turtle s around $350, so for half the price I had my mint Turtle get a new movement.
Seiko has lost it here. Give me the 033 quartz with the shiny case. ~$1100 used on eBay. Love that watch that says MarineMaster on it. Quartz. Absolute icon!!!!!!! They need to re-assign some people at Seiko for this mistake. Like he says, Rolex didn't drop "Submariner" from their dial. Can you imagine if you tried to convince Rolex to do that?? Bring back the Marinemaster and you'll sell plenty, Seiko.
They ABSOLUTELY bit off the Ginault silent service.
Does anyone know if this bracelet is compatible with spb143?
At that price i expect a quality clasp and better finishing. Those indicies are rough!
When will Seiko realize they don’t need to put the Prospex X on the dial…
Decades probably once they rebrand ProSpeX
2.900us$ ?? ?? ??? ??? ?/
Seriously ? ? ? ?
Is it made out of gold?
0:47 Wow which watch is that?
Spring Driver LX line. SNR045 super rare and IMPOSSIBLE TO GET. I did a video on it ua-cam.com/video/yKPJeX3mFOA/v-deo.html
No signed crown : (
I think the face striations look like an Aqua Terra , not the Seamaster.
isn't the official name of that watch "Seamaster Aqua Tera" tho?
Not a wave pattern though; more “decking” apparently. That’s why I thought you were referring to the diver
It looks beautiful. However, I won't be spending that kind of money on a watch only to have to purchase an aftermarket bracelet to get a proper fit. Wtf with only 2 microadjusts?! C'mon Seiko, enough is enough!
When getting into Tudor and Omega money, I would rather own either of these two brands. Seiko trying to move up and join the big boys but without the chops.
Nice $1200 and not worth $2800 watch but the 4:30 little peek-a-boo date window kills the aesthetic.
Would rather have the SPB143 for the money and spend 3 grand for a watch with more cache than a Seiko.
No signed crown I no buy!
Sorry, the date at 4:30 is a complete turn off to me.
I don’t care they changed the original case it looks beautiful
Gorgeous
I'm a huge Seiko fan, but I strongly dislike this release. The world did not need a 62 Marine MASter. It looks like a half hearted Seiko mod.
Too expensive is what I call it. Seiko needs to show it has confidence in it's movements, you can't charge that money and give basic selitta guarantees and if there is dust on the dial at that price then send it back.
Hey, is the bazel ceramic or not? 😢
steel coated in black titanium carbon
@@EscapementWatch so, is it scratch resistant?
it can still scratch but the coating is very hard
@@EscapementWatch and when it get scratches can it be polished?
@@EscapementWatch hey, I saw at Seiko boutique website that the bezel have a sapphire cap
put them on a Divecore HP strap and ouuuu
Is it a Marinemaster or a Prospex? For the sake of dial real estate it should not be both!
But.... it's a SEIKO! :)))
It still carries the Prospex logo. Why Seiko, why!?
That’s a good size.. nice review.
Thanks seiko i hate the date window still 🤡
I’ve really got a huge block on these watches. I adore Seiko divers and own five of them so this should be right up my alley but …. I think it’s a disaster for the money and a really incoherent design. The design of the hands is the bright spot for me. I appreciate all your videos FT, and I know you give your honest opinions rather than try and sell every watch to us, but this a rare instance where I respectfully disagree with your take.
No problem man we all have different tastes. This one does have its negatives which I made sure to highlight, but despite its negatives it quickly became my favorite Seiko which is really difficult. I'm a big fan of the 62 mas but this just takes it to a completely new level just in my opinion. the overall watch community seems to hate the watch I would say 70% hate it from the reaction I've been getting. Which actually benefits me because I can probably get a bigger discount at kavar Jewelers once the hype dies down 😂 but might wait for a sunray dialed version as the dial is a bit too omega for me and if I really dislike any connection with omega.
Excellent release overall!!! I would prefer a sunburst dial. The bezel edge reminds me of the Aquis. Nice looking bracelet, but the clasp is disappointing. Is the bezel insert ceramic or treated steel?
Steel. You can see the base steel on the sje097 model. I had a text pop up while I was turning the bezel but I did not say it out loud.
So its still a 40mm watch?!
technically. Wears smaller for sure tho.
p.s. Slapping “Marine Master” on dial sullies the TRUE Marinemaster- kinda like the all electric “Mustang.”
The first ever Seiko marinemaster was a 100 m quartz. So even the marinemaster 300 Sully's the name of marinemaster and isn't a true Marine master.
Yeah doesn’t look like a marinemaster imho
@@EscapementWatch Technically you’re correct but each of those two watches has something unique at least: quartz movement specifically manufactured for the quartz version and monocoque case for the automatic (plus world’s best lume AND world class hand and dial finishing)…
why do crowns need to be signed?
I'm not sure but people always complain when they're not
“Unsigned Crown Crisis” always amusing. How much time do you spend looking at the crown on your watch? Do strangers say to you “Nice dial - do you mind if I take a peek at the crown?”. Signed/unsigned never a dealbreaker for me however on this watch the crown at least points in right direction which
is “thumbs down”. 👎🤠
Unfinished hour markers on a $2800 Seiko. Seiko testing the market: “Let’s see- cut corners here(dial) and there(crown), slap label on dial (Marine Master), and hope it flies.” Time to hold Seiko’s feet to the fire on this one. It may fly, but it’s a turkey. 🤡👎👎👎
Because it means unfinished
@@daeyeoplim Incorrect. Surface IS finished. A flat finish.
The X on the dial is a shame.
Yeah would love a non-X and put Marinemaster where the X is now. But that probably wont happen
@@EscapementWatch - yup, yet another reason I’m glad to have my SLA017- 62mas…no X, polished rehaut, sunray grey dial, proper hands, gorgeous crystal, signed crown, drilled lugs, smooth, accurate 28.8k movement, 40mm size…very happy owner.
$2800 and hour markers poorly finished? No monocoque back? So-so lume? Not a good buy. Sounds like a watch that would be a good purchase in the $1500 price tier.
The bracelet endlink is just lazy. It looks like it was designed for another watch, taken and truncated, then shoehorned between the lugs.
it will always look like that unless they do squared endlinks, which they do not want to do. Because the 62MAS trademark trait has that flat connection between the links.
I'm all for naming the watches instead of just giving them impossible-to-remember model numbers.
I have so many memorized because I deal with these watches daily at the dealer and on the channel but yeah I agree eventually I start to lose track
That price and the look? I'll stick with my Seiko Prospex PADI Solar Pepsi Cousteau SSC663P1 I bought for US$300.00 in 2020.@@EscapementWatch
Looks great.
Nico be like don't ever pay more than £1000 for a Seiko even though they've been making watches longer than most of the Swiss big name brands, like Seiko doesn't know how to make watches after 100 plus years! Let's face it, what you gonna dive with a £3000 made to be used diver by Seiko or a 10k+ second hand Rolex which has just become a posers fashion item and gets taken off just to go in a swimming pool 😂 I'll take the Seiko or a Tag Heuer at 3k or an Omega at 5k any day.
Nico isn't that that guy who works for a company that sells used watches??? I think he's just a used Rolex salesman and he's making profit for his company. I could be wrong but that's my impression anyways. And I heard him call G-Shock God like or something and it sounded so sarcastic like when you call your friend really good at a sport and he's the opposite. Anyways don't listen to a guy who says don't buy a Seiko over a thousand dollars he obviously is a pandering snob who doesn't know anything about watches.
@@EscapementWatch he owns Pride and Pinion, he actually loves Casio and Seiko, just doesn't think you should pay more than 1k for one, he's actually really funny and one of the biggest luxury watch sellers in the world.
He very opinionated and doesn't hold back what he thinks, he's Irish what more can I say, they speak their mind 🤣
He's actually very knowledgeable more so than most people, especially the history of Swiss watches.
I admit I've only seen 1 or maybe 2? vids of his and maybe only 30s-1min on each. But his uninformed remark about high-end Seiko watches immediately leads me to dismiss him. Just my personal opinion. But good on him for being a great business man and crushing.
@@EscapementWatch he's been into watches since he was a kid, it's why he knows so much about everything.
He was hating on GS too up until this year, now they've improved quality and distanced themselves from their parent company, most of his comments are pretty valid, why would you pay 3-5k for a Seiko when it's in King Seiko and low end GS price range, Seiko is damaging sales of both brands but, add to that the second hand prices and how much value lost it makes sense.
But they are Japanese and do weird stuff, just like removing names from their watches like your video says.
I've experienced a similar bracelet and the exact same clasp on seikos enough to make them a deal breaker, especially at 2800$, astronomical with such a poor quality bracelet
Hate the date placement.
Still no micro adjust ratchet clasp !!!
What material is the bezel made of?
Steel coated in Titanium Carbon for the 099 and 101. The 097 is just steel.