This "Artist" SCAMMED VTUBERS With AI Art
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Please don't send hate to the artist, but beware of their YCH postings and commissions, as it's very evident what they're doing is drawing over AI art
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Honestly I hate ai art and would hate for my art to be stolen by it, I mean my art is really bad but at least I put effort into it
Hand drawn art will always be more valuable than ai
It's also why artists are leaving Instagram or Adobe, can't remember which, since they make you have to give your permission for your art to be used for AI to "learn"
@@ChaoticNalilitoMCit’s both, though you’re thinking of adobe specifically, people are leaving insta because it’s doing the ai training thing where you have to opt out of and some places you can’t opt out anyways
bad art made by a human will always be better and have more value than an image generated by a computer!!!!
making bad art is great! it has value and brings joy! ai images do not. at least to me and most artsy people i know.
all effort drawn art is beutiful :D
not to mention how ANY artist will NEVER do the sketch right the first time, there's always the head too big, arms too short, rotating the whole picture or parts of it, she drew perfectly since the start
this, this, this! Thumbnailing, sketch iterations, where's the struggle?!
Anatomy, my biggest enemy. I hate how often that happens, I usually redraw the whole thing about 3-4 times before I get things right (when drawing digital)(partly because I try to draw right from the beginning instead of doing the damn sketches, why am I like this?)
thats so true too!! the PERFECT first sketch is a one in a million occurrence xD
I know this struggle all too well 😢 sometimes a sketch can take me up to 2 HOURS
There are some crazy people out there who do it perfectly and without guide lines, but very rare lol it baffles me when I watch them. The channel "drawsoeasyAnime" has some examples ;w; Charcoal artists scare me the most lol
Hello! I watched the video from 28:14 to 29:12 and I will say that this person is CLEARLY tracing. Interface of Procreate is in Russian and, as a Russian speaker, I can understand what is written. So basically you paused at the right moment (on 28:26), because you can see a layer that is called "Изображение вставлено" which means "Image inserted" and it is hidden. HMMM I wonder what that means.
WAIT NO WAY
thank u so much for translating! that's crazy holy shit
There are also a couple of other hidden layers. I wonder what Qutar is hiding.
Бро, +rep, что перевела
@@wldjxjxgcyxjakdjcisldidjdh301 люблю помогать людям, не могла пройти мимо
I have to say i had a classmate who was good at drawing more traditional stuff and was always saying "Nah drawing anime is easy, you don't need to learn if you already know how to draw"
Then we saw him miserably fail while trying to draw a basic anime character.
omg drawing anime characters is a whole beast to tackle! thats funny they got humbled 😂
😂 @@katliente
This, but myself.
I was humbled like shit for this. And the result? It takes me 3 WHOLE YEARS to at least some sort of mastering the tool, still draw like a dingus though.
Style change, tools change affects different psychomotoric muscle memories and different proficiencies. I took an art course just to learn all of that back.
Traditional artists always snobbish dismiss the effort and knowledge that goes into anime. It's not just "simple cartoonish" style. It's about not only getting an effect, but doing it with as a simple a style as possible. Sometimes the way the eyes and faces are drawn look good, but are extremely difficult to get right.
Anime is also a lot more unforgiving on wobbly lines than traditional art. Slightest wobble on the eyes, and the piece is dead.
It's easier for normal stuff honestly . What takes some time getting used to is making it expressive like a manga . Went from more traditional to anime when I was learning .
Dude I've been seeing so many tweets of Vtubers getting harassed by people whose portfolios are all AI art. It's horrifying.
I’m constantly getting follows from “graphic designer” accounts that either do that super generic looking logo stuff with strange looking live2d rigs or blatantly ai bs and I hate it
It’s bad, I’m very small and I do all my own art for my streams (when I was still doing them) and for a solid year or so I got nothing but “hey join in this raffle to get the cool starting soon screen.” Brother stop please!
@@AuxDroidi got those too, i just blocked and removed them. it's better to have a few real followers than to have a bunch of fake followers given that they don't interact with anything i post
i hate to say it but, anyone using AI generated images or tracing 3D assets and passing it off as their own work, is pretty much what i would called "a HACK."
@@dmrfunkster If you hate to say it, then don't say it. If someone is using an AI image as say a reference, I'd hardly call them a hack considering using a reference and a tool provided is PAR FOR THE COURSE in the art industry, and you would have to be fucking stupid think otherwise.
i've seen artists shading their sketch roughly. i do that sometimes for fun. BUT everything else in this video i agree with. this person is def using ai. actually disgusting
yeah some ppl do that! but this person does wayyyy too many things that only a few artists do to be normal 😅
I like to outline and hatch shade my sketches where i plan to put in hard edge shadows, I think this way of planning shadows is pretty normal, but with the style of shading in the video, with such a big area outlined with no hatching to indicate its a shadow, it does look suspicious.
I also did this too before, not anymore. I also agree with everything else as well
Not gonna lie most of these ai art giveaways sound like mistakes I’d do in my art lmao
Yeah
@@sumsumiii It's definitely A.I. I make A.I art, I can tell...
As a non-digital arti maker, I was almost fooled and made to second guess when the person brought out her timelapse. (I knew it was a.i. my brain told me it was... but then the timelapse was discordant) having kat debunk the latter half confirmed my gutt instinct though and helped me ensure that I wasn't delusional about pinning it as A.I.
what the artist did was probably use ControNet on the Ganyu pic to create a blank image of a girl in a black bikini, then made it bald, but forgot to fix the A.I. mistakes, and was hence caught.
I don't think the bald girl image was 100% A.I. prompt though... but it's a smart grift. had the a.i artist been more diligent and less lazy, than a regular digital artist (cause she'd have to go over her final image with a fine tooth comb and fight her instincts to shrug her shoulders and instead do major reworks of the image, making the A.I. rendering nigh useless) she'd have gotten away with it.
I personally think A.I. art is not good quality yet, (unless you're very talented at crafting prompts and post editing) than human art, so they should be labelled and kept separate. Ai. art training on Ai art will just lead to wosre models and not improve anything for the AI art models.
"if it's ai art...whatever..i don't care" zip my drink when she said that. 🙃
Bro is gnarpy
Nothing wrong with ai art
The reason for procreate is the fact that you can HIDE LAYERS FROM A TIME LASPE😭
Watching artists catch AI is like watching speedrunners catch cheaters.
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"You wouldnt draw two ears on the same head in two different ways"
I get your point but.. I have before💀
but at the same time you're missing the point. an artist who could be rendering at that level would usually be more concious about consistency. like she said, it's ok to be making those mistakes or inconsistencies, many artists likely have at some point
" I get your point but i dont get your point"
My "human" drawn ears usually look like potatoes so...
You're not the only one, ok?
@ashketchup888 I understand that bro take a joke 😭
@@iwaswrongiwillneverposther6248 "just a joke guys!"
omg while i was watching this i went on ibis paint x AND SAW AN AI IMAGE ON THE LEADERBOARD, AT 4TH PLACE.. AND EVERYONE THINKS ITS REAL 😭😭😭😭😭
Uh, idk if YT deleted my comment so I'll rephrase. How do the SpeedPaints for the AI works work then? Do they turn off the feature?
@@rosl. it didnt get deleted, and it seems that they mightve traced over the image to try and make it look like they drew it themselves by using the undo method
@@rosl. there's a hide layer on speedpaint that's only available on procreate so they literally traced over the existing art yes they can draw but passing AI art as something you draw fully yourself for a commission is a scam on it's on because of the different price tag
I think its because it's that 1% of the anti AI filter that miss.
There are a lot more of AI images there, but if only one or two shown up, then the filter did a not quite enough good job.
Still, I get your point.
when i saw this on my feed i was already sussed out. there's SO MANY raffles where people are tracing AI it's insane
What frustrates me is that most of these AI "artists" think this is what art is... a 'scam'. I personally think one or two bad experiences with an artist is no reason to do this kind of stuff. And most of it is preying on people's preferences (if you get what I mean), which is even more disgusting. I have saved up my own money to get art. If you think its a scam its cause its your own lack of being able to save the money for it and gambling it away, or something.
Also, you don't NEED art to be happy. I used to think like this, and I am on medication for anxiety and depression, doing much better. Using it as an outlet is understandable, but thinking that having it is going to fix the underlying issue is the wrong way to go about it.
I use AI art and I while I have seen people say stuff like this, I think the most common take is that people who are 100% against AI are a bit gatekeeping. (Not talking about selling AI art and claiming it as real art that's just wrong).
For example if I need a background for my stream and I want to have, let's say a fantasy observatory, but I'm broke. Then I can't commission an artist for it anyways, so I might as well use AI, as long as I switch when I can afford to commission from a real artist.
Or if I have an idea for a DND character, but can't afford to commission then I can use AI to have a picture of my character.
Personally I mostly use AI for inspiration for 3D characters when I sort of know what I want to do, but want to play around with some elements before committing to the final concept. So I still make the actual art myself.
Idk I don't think AI art or people who use it is inherently bad or good, I just think it's a good way for people who can't afford art to still get some of the benefits, or help with brainstorming (like a character creator game). As long as you pay for art when you can and don't try to pass it off as something you drew, or sell it to someone else.
I don't think "saving up" always works for everyone either, as some people need all their money for other things. As long as it's just for private use or temporary use, then what's the problem. It's not like there's an artist who is loosing out on a customer as these people would have never been customers anyways.
Tldr: AI is only bad if you use it instead of an artist where you normally would have or if you're not clear with it being AI. If it's personal use and you're too broke for an artist and only have idk an AI background for a stream temporarily then it doesn't really cause anyone to loose out on anything.
+10 years ago boomer artist said "Digital Art is not real art, and you’re a fool for thinking" because being an artist was not cheap and they believe that they were special giften human beings that went to an art school for 5 years. I mean, Art is how people show feelings, tell stories and give you an emotion. Putting aside the topic about how AI Models were created, is fool to think that is not a tool that could lead you to improve your art skills as hobbie. I mean if you can spot those errors in AI Generated Images, you will develop a good eye for anathomy and details.
In my opinion people using Full AI generated images and selling them as art are scammers. Using AI generated images for references and improve them with your own style is not bad at all because in the end you put an effort to do it.
Criticizing people for not having "full art skills" and thinking that a bad stroke or a photobashing element is AI... tell you much about you and your elitism.
I had a bad experience with commissioning an artist once on discord, never again will I do that.
@@maxnami Ai generated stuff will not lead you to improve your art skills or your eye for anatomy or details as you put it, same as using 3d won't help you understand how perspective works magically without practising it and the same way photobashing won't give you the ability to draw details. They're all crutches, not in a judgemental at all way, I love these tools. This isn't even an unpopular opinion, the professionals in the concept and illustration world that I follow all will tell you to do things manually at first, practise the fundamentals without crutches, paint the details by hand etc. They'll even encourage you to do it traditionally first because that's even better for training your brain, mixing the colours manually for understanding values and colour relativity will never not be important to build a foundation. I don't disagree that ai can be a very useful tool, I use it all the time as well, but I know it's a crutch and I'm very picky with where and when I use it. It's completely fine imo for personal use, since hobbyists wouldn't really care about developing skills to the highest degree necessarily but let's not kid ourselves that this actually trains our skills in any way. Seeing mistakes is absolutely not the same as knowing how to do better, and that's precisely what drives artists mad, when they can see what's wrong but not know how to fix it because their skills are lacking. The solution is going back to fundamentals, again and again, because every time you think you know something, you realise there's even more behind it. That applies in every field, this isn't art elitism.
I've had someone accuse me of tracing AI art (I understand why, I did study some AI art references to get better at rendering and to help me draw non-organic objects, because I sucked at making believable shoes, for exemple). The thing is they made a whole ass thread on their accound that had 10x the amount of follows I do, on my ass without coming in my DM first so I could just send them a timelapse and they'd leave me alone. Thankfully they took it down after because it was proven I didn't use AI in the end and THANK GOD I happen to be in the french Vtubing community, which is pretty small and niche so we all know each other so a lot of people know I stream my drawings on discord sometimes and jumped in to defend me, but I'm so scared I would get accused of this again, 'cause I'm just a small artist and it's quite challenging already, I don't need drama :(
Glad to hear you were able to sort it out. People are full of paranoia against AI to the point they will think something is AI just because it just might have similar patterns and immediately take out the torches and pitchforks, no questions asked. That is why keeping stuff like timelapses to give proof that it is not AI is important in this turbulent times more than ever.
@@ShardOfUnknown yeah! I've had some pretty successfull tweets lately and as much as I am happy about it, because of what happened, I'm scared people will try to bring drama onto me again, so I'm actively posting timelapses now so that people can't attack me for no reason xD
what's crazy is they didn't do ANY research before accusing you because if you said that you stream yourself drawing then finding if you're a real artist is one of the easiest thing ever??? If they just looked at your profile five second to find your other socials (which anyone trying to research anything about someone would do) checked them out to find proof & immediately in less than five minutes they could've found that you actually draw your stuff. Honestly it's disheartening how people either start accusing real artists of using ai with no proof (none of their drawing have the ai tells) or defend with their blood ai images generators who very clearly draw with ai (it looks terrible as soon as you spend more than fives seconds looking at the image)
@@vaelia1203 update on this : Someone accused me of tracing AI again (YAY), so I posted a few timelapses and I think that did calm 'em
thats so terrible!! the people that defended u were great, but the people accusing you could take like one second to look at your profile and see you stream your drawings.. people REALLY wanna hate on anyone 😭
technically speaking, some other artist can take these poses and sell them as your own because AI is not copyrightable
Not copyrightable yet. Just wait until a big soulless corpos like Abode to try to find a way around it. You know they will certainly try!
@@ShardOfUnknown their argument would probably be some human artist actually traced over the ai art so now it’s human art but lolol that’ll be an interesting fight in the courts
@@DelRae I do agree we can trace over ai art since the pose generated by ai is not copyrightable. If we can take advantage of ai why dont we use it?
@@nokiikun because it's morally bad or something like that bro idk🫤. AI literally learn from the drawings of other artists. in addition, people who present AI “art” as their absolutely original works overshadow those artists who draw at approximately the same level THEMSELVES, applying an incredible amount of time and experience to their work. you either don’t use AI at all or tell people about it directly and immediately
poses arent copyrightable
The traditional pieces "by this person" belong to someone from Tumblr, was stolen by Pinterest and deleted. I was a mutual of the original artist 5 years ago.
even their portfolio is a lie?!!! Why do they have to go to that extent tho???
@@dayumokeh3784 I would guess that it is for money and clout 🫠
It is horrible tbf
Seriously?? That's outright crazy
One month is unrealistic because if your are first off changing from traditional to digital and changing from realism to anime you would not be that good💀💀💀💀
The thing with switching from traditional to digital is that it feels really bad as an artist. And if they were told they could make money off of their digital art, and then they started using digital art and found themselves struggling, it is logical that they would jump to "helpful" tools such as AI to speed up their "progress". It's demotivating and it's frustrating.
I have been drawing digitally for years but I'm currently feeling horrible about my own art for other reasons, and I understand the desire to "just make good art", especially if you're used to that traditionally. Literally every artists knows this feeling. But it doesn't excuse the use of AI; it's not your art anymore.
ugh omg the feeling of being good at traditional art, swapping to digital, and being so shit u give up is so real 😅 it took me a year to come back to digital art bc i was sooo frustrated it looked so ass compared to my traditional pieces ;-;
@@katliente same! I thought I had somehow lied to myself all that time about being "good". Took me ages to realize that swapping to digital art is a lot of practice. Especially if you aren't using a screen tablet immediately (which this person wasn't in the video they showed). There's no way you get that good at art with *that* type of tablet ina month :')
To be totally real with you, I don't understand what you're talking about.
@6:26
Also that foot is reversed. The big toe is supposed to be inward not outward if that makes sense.
omg wait I didnt even think about that
Came to the comments hoping that someone else had noticed 😂 I was kneeling while watching the video and I looked back at my own foot and laughed
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34:18 the thing is, if she is originally a traditional artist, she would probably draw in the shading areas in the sketch. (I know I do (occasionally) atleast when I try traditional lol) although, everything else points towards AI, I’m not defending her lol
Or just, you know, show anything else from her portfolio instead of the "image in question."
It's like someone who faked a speedrun trying to pass an emulator replay as their gameplay, but they have zero attempts streamed on Twitch and no one has ever seen them play live.
What a SCAAAAAMMMM OMG I feel bad for real artists...
Just want to add that in the beginning all those thing an actual artist can do, you know, not all artists think of light source THIS deeply and it can often be illogical just because they think this looks better. I draw for 7 years and while I do think of the light source I also don't think of it that deeply and just color stuff in a way that feels good. Drawing things that end abruptly when something is in front of them is also something artists can do, you can just forget or be too tired to see it. I once drew a tea bag in the cup and the 'tea' part was actually outside the cup and the paper thing of the tea bag was in the cup. I fully rendered that too and didn't notice. Also rendering some parts of the drawing and not others is very common, not rendering feet is very common too, I also do that when I don't want to draw attention to them.
I'm not saying that to defend that guy, I'm just saying it since we already had cases when people accused others of AI just because they weren't perfect at drawing and made some mistakes. Actual artists are humans after all and they make mistakes, a lot.
that is such a stupid argument sorry...you know what you are doing because you did it so many times..it will always looks more logical as this a.i. shit...be more confident in your skills ...and don´t feed this assholes that think they can do "art" with prompts
I agree with you so much since the part about the bows and the baby hairs + water droplets on the Fri art bothered me because I draw things like that, it’s stylization to draw water dripping of the arms like that or to add baby hairs, it’s personal choice and not everybody draws like her…
THIS! I was so disappointed by the UNNECESSARY criticism of the simpler render style that a HUMAN can do as well. I agree more with the INCONSISTENCIES of AI. I'm a fulltime artist but even I found the nitpicking hurtful
i do agree some can literally be human errors that real artists do as well. while i get that all of her points combined = AI, a few of the mistakes mentioned =/= ai. the ribbon and hair getting cut off, sometimes we make those mistakes too, and its scary to think a little human error could make people assume you stole from or traced AI when its entirely your own art. people will start nitpicking over every little thing expecting perfection from human artists just because ai makes similar mistakes (it does borrow from artists of all levels, hence this issue) but while i get the idea of calling scammers out, i think some real artists will get caught up in this along the way due to misinformed non-artists trying to find similar clues too and potentially hurting the progress of amateurs.
1000000%, i watched a few of her other videos, and was gonna sub but after watching this, I changed my mind. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing how problematic what she is doing is. SO many things she nitpicked about the art are things I see all of my moots do, and i know they are all legit artists, I've known them since before AI art came up and she's making it way to fucking deep. Even going as for to draw the bones in the hand, like who tf does that? I have seen many professional artists how have wonky styles like that Chinese girl that gets cancelled alot on twt (Qiandiyu something like that, she draw nsfw HSR and Genshin girls).
Often times we get lazy, or burnout and leave parts that no one is gonna look at unrendered (....assuming there aren't any big streamers that are gonna take our art and nitpick it to oblivion.) Its so unfair to artists, even advanced artist because we really dont draw that deep, and we often time stylize and take liberties with lighting and shadow because....its art? Like i add bounce lighting in places I know it wouldnt be cuz i like it, and my community likes it. But i guess im a AI artist now because Katilinete said so.
Help, im a young artist, i (i think at least-) dont draw thaaatt good- but i do digital art a little, and jeez... i can see those errors, how are people defending this?... im- confused, but yeah, what the hell- (those mistakes maybe would be something i'd do, but its because i dont know that much about anatomy, rendering and etc. BUT- i think they would be more even and other things--)
yes!! i had a part of my stream where I was saying that but I couldnt find it when I was editing anymore 😢
but I hate how AI artists like this affect newer and young artists. I’ve heard a lot of fear from newer artists for being afraid for being falsely claimed to use AI due to mistakes like the ones I pointed out in the video and stuff!
But when new artists make anatomy mistakes (and I to this day still do make anatomy mistakes bc its hard LOL) typically theres more consistency with the mistakes. Like all pieces would have a similar error, etc
The problem with this person is that between pieces, the mistakes vary so greatly, so it doesnt just look like someone who doesn’t really know how to draw legs for instance, but someone who’s using AI xD
"hey guys im so stressed and nervous about the accusations, hopefully we can all forget about this and move on boohoo" NO stop acting like a victim, honestly I have zero compassion for AI scam artists and don't care if I appear like villain. I've had enough. Loved this video and more people should call out these "artists".
the funniest thing in the Frieren art was how she’s suppose to be on the beach (there even are plam
Trees!) but in the back there is a whole forest with different kind of trees
maybe it's the island from Lost XD
There are things like that? We have many mixed trees forest ,but yeah no palm trees
heres my thing. they didnt flip the canvas during the "timelapse" like didnt even try to RED FLAG and if you dont understand why im confused is because when you flip the canvas you see your art at a new perspective and can also see mistakes you made she didnt do that but if you dont as a digital artist thats fine to just weird.
I never flip my canvases 👁️👄👁️
I understand the beginner artist in the replies, trying to be considerate or feeling personally attacked by stating "but this is how I draw!! or my art is inconsistent etc etc." however there are multiple factors to consider when looking for ai. One being an artist who does the same type of rendering shown in the video are not gonna draw and render a completely different ear side by side on the same piece, its a weird inconsistency for the skill level the art is trying to portray. also while an artist can be going through a style shift it is HIGHLY suspicious for the posted art back to back to have a completely different way of coloring, and styling where its a DRASTIC shift over such a short period. (just look at the artist old art post and youll see how uncanny it is)
do I do think this person has some skill in art? yes, but do I also think they are using whatever skills they have to cover up AI usage in some sort of way? absolutely
Imagine they actually draw this and just draw like this and they are now just watching people hyper analyze how bad it is at points, I would be SO MAD LOLLL
That’s literally what’s happening the artist is literally being nitpick there art mistakes is being labeled AI when this artist isn’t even a god at art.
Being in art school doesn’t not mean they literally should be drawing like gods.
Artist said themselves switching art styles and digital isn’t easy they are literally to different mediums.
This artist is literally just being targeted by ppl who clearly don’t even know what there talking about.
@@goddessofchaos2679 I'm not sure if you yourself are an artist or not, but to the trained eye, it is SO obvious that she's using AI. and if you watch the entire video, it is even more blatant. Yes it sounds nitpicky to someone who doesn't do art, but you have to understand that an artist draws every single detail in a piece. The mistakes are so obvious and numerous that an artist (who can render to that extent is a more advanced artist) shouldn't consciously be making those mistakes. For certain parts of the piece to be rendered "by the gods" and for certain aspects to drawn so simply and whatnot is not normal.
I am also a traditional artist who started dabbling in digital drawing. It took me a whole year to even get close to how I draw traditionally. I have friends who are the same. It takes a lot of time to get accustomed to digital art if you've only done traditionally up until that point. You have to retrain yourself to an entirely new medium. and in that new medium, you try to stick to what's familiar to you. Her constantly switching styles, the inconsistencies with in each piece, and the sheer fact that she supposedly drew a fully rendered digital piece with all this advanced technique in only 4 days of using digital art is highly suspicious and improbable.
@@goddessofchaos2679 "It's not AI art shut the fvck uuuuuup!" ^ Has AI in their profile and banner, opinion null and voided.
For someone who doesn't draw probably looks like that...
@@pepperfyves go actually ran there art under a Ai detector because I did snd so I suggest you stfu bish
There art is 100% real and they literally just post a new piece with a video but yall so obsessed and stupid ruining an artist when it’s not AI
as an artist it pains me so much when people "abuse" power like this... especially when they literally scam people plus being an artist themselves.. i hate ai art so much and i feel like ym whole art carrier and time spent learning all these years will go down the drain...
As a beginner artist. This can easily fool me since I am still practicing anatomy, and I do use pose references from Pinterest. I think that ai art would be a professional skill. This video also helped me with small tips for sketch posing.
dw, i'm an experimented artist and even i can be fooled bcs it does look like real art
Everyone knows references were scant before the rise of automated generation! Why, there were no stock image sites, no googles of photographs, no nothing! All praise Sam Altman! /s
yeah omg the fact they managed to draw such a well-posed figure with ZERO references, but then can't draw hands...is really sus ;-;
I think i also saw a tweet from them that they swapped to an Ipad and Procreate and showed a speedpaint, which has a feature where you can hide an image so when you watch the speed paint back you wont see the image they hid, which means they could of easily traced AI art
ngl the chat pisses me off...this excuses are straight up stupid its not funny anymore...like seriously...you have eyes USE THEM!
I get they're playing devil's advocate for me which I appreciate!
But omg it's so frustrating seeing so many ppl defend this artist in the line of "oh I also do this one thing when I draw that you accused them of doing so theyre not using AI"...like we're gonna ignore the fact that frieren out here is literally melting LOL
@@katlienteso true! I mean maybe pointing out this mistakes(which isn't wrong) could lead other clueless people to assume an artist's drawing is AI so that's why they say it like that. Buttt we've already seen so many mistakes that artists wont do in the fieren drawing! I am sure even beginner artists would think the drawing looks weird. I mean look at the eyes of fieren. It just looks off
A a sort of a devils advocate (I do not believe that the artist in question does this for this cause) - putting shadow lines early on is a thing. If you are a traditionally trained artist and you do care about overall shadow and light composition of a piece, you will be thinking about dark zones and light zones (maybe those have a name in English, idk) early on, to keep the composition lines in mind throughout the process. This way you have an indication in the sketch that “this side dark, if background also dark they’ll merge” and “if hand goes here, light goes there, eye gets lead like this, nice”.
But that is useful (and common) if you do highly rendered and realistic things, the ones which don’t rely on line art and overall graphic elements (like anime styles often do), + the supposed use of her works (being able to add hair and details after) negate the whole point of doing this type of planning.
I've been watching your Vtuber drama news videos and they are pretty informed, and entertaining. I am not an artist, so thank you for pointing out things and explaining all the inconsistency.
awwwh yw!! i tried explaining this in a way that even ppl who aren’t artists can understand! so I’m glad it worked hehe
the freiren one, the dropplets that was melting was the ai trying to draw hair but mixed it with the skin. Melting parts of the art is very AI
The problem with how people explain this stuff is that to an artist who has trained there eyes, it's obvious. But to people without that experience they can't see the whole picture. It's not JUST the ears, eyes, hands, perspective, lighting, color, style, composition, clouds, posing etc. It's the combination of inexplicable decisions. The puzzle as a whole, if you will, is wrong.
i am not saying this artist is innocent or guilty but as a digital artist i have done everything this artist has done in the etching phase. doing one eye before going to another body part, sketch out shadows, etc. those points do not make someone guilty of using ai
yes!! the point i kept trying to make is that each thing on it's own isn't weird -- ive often forgotten elements on the drawing and had to go back to redraw etc
it's that everything TOGETHER is what makes it so odd
All the comments talking about how not everyone is trained in art school, that does not apply here. She shows the tweet of them saying they went to school. This artist is traditionally trained. Like the meme says, stop it. Theres also some really weird nitpicks where youre picking out a small thing she says when she's pointing out that its not just the individual things, its all of them occurring at once. And the most damning one is the color wheel. I don't care if you go to school or are self taught. Nobody switches the color wheel around that much. It's unnecesary work.
ahhh thank u 😅 i expected these comments, which is why on stream (and in the video) I kept iterating that the issue is everything TOGETHER, and not a one-off mistake 😅
@@katlienteI think some of the explanations were clearer in the stream but sometimes even cutting out the smallest amount of context can change the perception of your statements and cause them to feel less accurate. I think more people should look at your stream for clarification lol
I do agree with you on all of that, BUT anime art does include baby hair XD I think its a weird statement to say that anime style doesn't has it. I always include these short hairs on the bottom of the head for example. So that for me is no give away for AI art. Everthing else, yeah pretty obvious.
I also saw that raffle on my timeline (due to a lot of my vtuber friends joining it), and didn't even pay a lot of attention. I remember the only thing I wondered was why the quality, especially for the skin shading, was so different in these illustrations.
Bruh if shes using clip she should put the time-lapse!!!
26:22 the way is CLEARLY traced 😭😭 no professional would draw the sketch so.. unprofessionally? if yk what i mean, it just looks so poorly traced ( especially the right arm, it looks like a noodle ) the neck also is going in a very weird direction
And imagine one artist doing intentional AI mistakes to mess around with the community
I think the one thing i'm also seeing with like the whole project in both Procreate and CSP is under 100 layers, which for something of that sort of quality is definitely going to have like, 70-100 layers of different parts being drawn.
I legit have like 28 layers for a basic 2D logo or icon I made in paint dotnet or gimp. Lol
14:01 when i noticed the the ear isn't connected to the head on the freiren piece
wait im dead i literally never noticed LOL
Another point for the "AI has the object permanence of a frog" discussion
I admit, all the critiquing and closely analyzing of the small mistakes an AI could make, got me furrowing my brows a bit too hard. Not because I don't believe they used AI on their work, I 100% agree with Katliente's points and evidences. But damn does she make me feel like I'm the one getting critiqued by an art elitist about little nitpicks they saw on my artwork (sorry if I sound harsh, and I don't mean to call you an elitist, but that's just how I imagined it).
Like even tho I make art for years and years, I would still make those little mistakes. Like the ears and feet because I really disliked drawing them. (Also that comment about choosing random colours irked me because that's literally how I do it, wtf is colour theory 😂)
But I get it, it makes absolutely no sense for their progress and artsyle to change so drastically when you're trying out digital for the first time. I've been in that transition from traditional to digital myself and it took years to get to where I'm at today.
I agree. I was on the same page about some of the points made throughout the video, but it all ended up feeling so nit picky on some parts. Even skilled artists still make little mistakes, like there were so many little things she pointed out that I myself still do and notice in my art.
It gave me a kind of bad feeling about the video when she talked about it like this.
Honestly, I like how to spot AI mistakes to prevent people buying art that isn't their in the first place. Though one thing that I have to call out is, that not every artist that draws stuff went to art school. I draw digitally for 12+ years now, and I have never visited an art seminar or an art school. My shading is all over the place for the trained eye, but looks pretty for the casual viewer, or stuff like missalined thumbs or thicker hands on surfaces being "a mistake NO artist would make" it very inappropriate and untrue. I make this mistake every so often and so do alot of artists. Please do not judge others based on yourself :/
Was gonna say something like that too, the blob shading/ highlights could also just be an art-style. Some anime characters even have blob shaded hair, and while it doesn't look exactly like that, the blobs themselves aren't the weird part.
Same with the water, sure it is just random lines, but that could come from the artist not knowing how to draw water as well.
But when all of these things add up then yeah, it's AI
Also RIP to the proof where the shading was on the base layer, that's such an oof if anything goes slightly wrong
Cool. She addressed that. There's too many situations where it's extremely rare someone would do these things, and it makes no sense all of them would be the case for the artist. She went 8 mile and predicted that complaint about not judging people by pointing out that these don't make sense.
Also the idea that not everyone goes to school clearly does not apply here. The person claimed they went to art school. And the issues went far further than thick thumbs and shading that doesn't make sense.
It just feels like you picked one tiny little thing to nitpick without bothering to listen to her explanations over all the elements that don't make sense, like changing the color wheel so drastically all over the pieces.
this!! thank you! as someone who is practicing digital art, I'm constantly trying different techniques on everything, my ears change shapes all the time hahaha and let's not talk about hair because oof lol.
@@HyattHyatt3179the issue wasnt the blob shading itself, it was in the context of how half the art is rendered in a very anime style, but then coincidentally all the “unique” elements are cell shaded, and then theres random blobs. The twitch vod where I talked about this was 2.5 hours long so I had to remove so much other stuff I said sadly 😅
@@katliente I see. That makes a bit more sense, since some anime has "clunky" shading. I really liked the in depth look at the situation though, so I think I'm gonna go watch the twitch vod
33:25 HI. I'M VERY FEW. I'm not defending this person since doing AI art (if we could even call it art) is wrong BUT I SKETCH MY HIGHLIGHTS CAUSE I'M DUMB AND DUNNO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ONCE I DO A BODY 😭
31:46 In procreate, you can only have a timelasp if you do it in procreate with the setting on. I learned that the hard way; I accidentally clicked off the timelasp and lost parts of my fotage
As a traditional turned digital artist, I had won contests in school for my pastel and charcoal pieces. My Digital art is still pretty jank and I have struggled so hard to get it to be somewhat decent. And it's not because I don't understand color or how to draw. Digital art genuinely feels alien and is less intuitive, Combatting sensitivity inputs and screen resolution on top of the limitations of programs is crazy. It's a harder learning curve, and definitely a struggle to relearn your process and Im still relearning things.
I definitely agree with the cell shading, but i do all the mistakes you pointed out for frieren..
Once i spotted a AI "artist" on instagram. He had many different art styles and also some "layers" to prove it's real. Those layers had the same issue that you mentioned, sketch had already a shadows in it, btw they was 1:1 like in the final art, like who do this? XD
Oh and btw this person artstyle was changeing over and over and also his newest pieces were drawn 3 times worse then the oldest ones. He was also crying on chat that somone acuse him of AI art and he have to send layers XD
Theres actually a feature on procreate where you can add in a hidden photo and trace it, while when you start the speedpaint theres nothing, and also, the grey haired drawing, the bow under her bikini was uncolored and fully white, meanwhile the bikini itself has shading.
Paying someone else to type the prompts or use a reference image reminds me when people used to charge commissions to create people's characters in a flash dress up game. Or charging to just recolor screenshots.
As someone who did traditional art on and off and switched to digital I can say it is a learning curve. I still do digital art and still have drawings that look odd. I do have to say about the shading comment that I have done this once before. And for me I do art as the face first then head then free hand the rest of the drawing. I have physical copies of my art. I have used other art to learn but never considered to use that same art as a means to many money.
Im a traditional artist, I do digital on occassion, but usually take a pic of my sketch and do that. I still struggle digitally T.T
I'm really confused because in their instagram, it's in all Polish and considering they're in university for art I don't think they would have the time to be doing these AI art shenanigans? considering how demanding art school is (speaking from my friends' experiences since I start in fall)
I hope this person isn't stealing somebody else's tag and posing as them on a different platform but it's still bad either way😞
the person using Krita's AI plug-in, ik because I used it before
whoa krita has something like that??
@@katliente Yes even you can make a character sheet chibi model everything in Krita
For the speedpaint they also drew the thumbnail sketch after the main sketch
It’s very suspicious if people don’t show any proof of them sketching or painting the piece, even more so after being accused.
Not me drawing while listening to this and getting self-conscious about my art looking like and being claimed as Ai. 😂
I think you are wrong about several things. There are things that are typical of AI but there are other mistakes that designers like me who illustrate very well but who are not professional illustrators, make. I don't know very well how to represt shadows well... my drawings have errors in proportions, poses and they are my errors, not the AI's.
Can’t believe I somehow watched this for 42 minutes without 2 times speed 😭
That speaks to you being entertaining. I have adhd.
the way ganyu and frieren was said took me back so hard LMAOO
also im not doubting the use of ai art but i think some of the reasoning in like the swimsuit pieces can also be excused as just bad artwork. but in the other ones its inexcusable.
sorry LMAOOO my pronunciation for words is god awful
I remember going from traditional art straight into digital art and it was SO DIFFICULT. My mind would kinda go blank and I'd have no idea what to draw nor how to draw it. I soon figured it out. And now when I switch from digital art to traditional art, I again struggle a lot.
11:37 I really appreciate you highlighting this. One of the most valuable lessons that I learned while I was a tattoo apprentice was that there will be times when using photo references that you’ll need to shift or adjust things so they read better within the art piece. It’s really easy to take a picture where some fingers are hidden / body parts are at a certain angle and it doesn’t look weird, but as soon as that’s translated directly into an art piece it just looks completely wrong. Readability has to take precedence.
It makes me sad because I would do most of those mistakes, especially the random shading and stuff, and im not even a begginer
I’ve been doing traditional art for about 5 years, and I switched to digital art 2 years ago. It felt as if all of my hard work in traditional art went to waste, and even after 2 years of digital art I have not gained THAT amount of expertise- honestly the fact that this creator claimed they got that good in a month is bs in my opinion… it takes a long time to figure out how to use the tools in different art programs and it is totally different than traditional art
she just earned my whole entire art respect.
I do actually add shadow lines in my sketches cus I keep forgetting where tf my light source is (also not to the same extent this person did. Like, holy moly). But my sketches are always on paper as well. They look more finished with shading in my sketchbook, idk why 😔
31:07 as a person who has studied traditional art before, (I'm not defending the person's art, it's pretty obvious that it is definitely mostly or partially AI) it's very common to be taught to recognise shapes in the structure of a piece rather than just body parts with head, arm, torso etc. so to have the line connecting the elbow to the thigh or a parallelogram for the torso to legs is honestly a normal thing imo. Same with shadows and highlights as sketch lines to visualise the shading better, plus the stomach area seems like they're mapping out the ribcage. What I think is they learnt absolutely no digital art at all and just thought everyone drawing digital art would follow the same steps as they did. You can obviously see they have quite a painterly style traditionally, so the shadow lines and lighting being mapped out on the sketch is very reasonable, just that it makes no sense considering everything else 😅
Feeling this argument "need to relearn drawing when switching to digital art" sO MucH!! Kat, I don't think you "suck" as you were showing your old art and newer and also comparisons to your traditional because it was literally the same for me! I've been drawing with nothing else other than pencils and watercolors and occasional markers for many years and only been doing/properly learning digital for 4 years.. and I still feel there is so much more to learn out there for me. One month is lightning speed... ofc some people learn slower or faster, don't get me wrong but still.
I really like how you show all the different pointers in the artists art that could hint AI, thank you!
As an beginner artist, when I go to color i make a new layer and then sketch where i feel like shading would look ok, is that wrong?? Should I do it a different way??
I can confirm with the statement at 22:01
I was pretty good at traditional art and the making of characters traditionally.
But I jumped from that to digital and it was an entire new world. They are not the same, in my opinion. Yes, you do still draw and etc, but the feel is completely different.
I still do traditional art and designing with my characters but I prefer digital. Because at this point, I’ve progressed more in digital art and my skills is just better than with my traditional art.
But then again there’s things I can master and get how I want in traditional pieces verses digital.
For eg: I can draw flowers amazingly in traditional art, but I suck ass at drawing flowers in traditional
I can make actual terrains and mountains and stuff like that in traditional than in digital.
But the main idea is just… a month aint enough for you to learn allat. I can understand six months, because that’s how quick I progressed after getting back into it. But even then, I already had some experience!
Sorry if my rambling made no sense. It’s like this adhd tendency of mine to go off track. Lmfaooao- you never wanna listen to me rambling to game lore, I go off track very often HAHAH-
Me still being too scared to start opening commission despite been drawing for years and the confidence of this AI art scammer tho, just wow.
You've been covering a lot of Vtuber drama on Twitter lately lol are you considering getting a model for some streams in the future?
(Not an artist looking for a commission, my art skills haven't changed since kindergarten, I'm just curious)
teehee perhaps 👀
38:45 i like how the bow on the bikini is completely unshaded
It took me so many years to actually understand how to use digital brushes even though I went to a tradional art program my entire childhood (my gma is an art teacher at a dedicated art school) 💀
It is soooo different!
Wait someone tell me how timelapse in clip studio works cause I've been using a separate screen recorder
I figured it out. This video saved me so much stress
😂 big same! I'm glad we both found this video
I feel like a lot of your points identifying AI are logical in the sense that in culmination, all these mistakes together are how you decide the piece was produced by AI, but the way you framed a lot of it makes you sound very sure that that human artists dont make these same mistakes or judgements when they very well do.
Not everyone has solid fundamental grasps on bounce lighting, or how hair flows, or are just forgetful about certain areas of hair or clothing continuing if a drawings is rushed or if theyre drawing late at night etc. The babyhairs thing on the back of AI frieren’s neck was entirely plausible, and I know that because /i/ am someone who draws short thin strands like those when drawing tied up hairstyle - it’s very commonly seen in real life references and realistic/semirealistic drawing styles - so for you to immediately rule out the possibility that some of these ‘mistakes’ can be created by human artists seems neglectful to certain artists’s struggles or art styles.
This is just to say that we should all be more careful and scrutinize carefully before making judgement that a piece is AI or not - when you become close minded like this you could end up calling an actual human artists works’ AI generated.
I’m not saying this to give leeway to AI generated art of course; I’m an artist myself and find the idea of AI art created off other artists’ works without their permission repulsive, and of course the actual pieces addressed in this video are actually AI, but I think we should be more mindful and not let overconfidence in our judgement lead to incorrectly calling a human artist’s works AI - i’ve seen way too much of that happening on tiktok and its frankly so cringe to see
The moment someone says "hey ive re draw the same inage in procreate here is my timelapse.. i dont accept it! I WONT accept it! Its not proof to me. And even more how does someone draw a 1 to 1 with the exact same propertions. Can artists really do that? Because as a beginner artist i cannot.
trust me, even the most experienced artists cant do a 1:1 piece like that without referencing the original work (which this person allegedly never had open 🤔)
how did i just sit down and watch this whole video without skipping through
The video isn't even that long
@@dainn55 its 41 minutes monkey
I am a math teacher, but I never learned to add and multiply. 🤷♂️ This is the vibe im getting.
Also, you showed your work by doing random stuff to the answer until it looked like the question. But can't explain what theorems allow you to arbitrarily square half of the factors.
i am terrible at figuring out ai art from real art on my own, feel like i learned a lot today
I too am a traditional artist turned digital, and it took me years to learn how to use the medium to my advantage. It really does feel like learning how to draw all over again (and *boy* did I take a blow to my self esteem while I was learning).
Having said that, I still cannot properly sketch digitally. I need that feedback response of pencil and paper to get my lines to do what I want since that's how I learned. These "time-lapse" fake outs give me pause for fear. It scares me to think that I might need to prove that I don't use AI via time-lapse, but since the beginning portion of the lapse will almost always have a ready sketch, I worry I won't be believed.
I suppose the best solution is to take a time-lapse video of my traditional drawing process too, but it's just not practical to do that for every situation or sketch. Sometimes I'm at work, of a cafe, or park when I'm drawing. Where and how am I supposed to set up a camera? WHY should I need to record myself every second I draw instead of living in that moment of art?
Apologies for the rant, I'm just tired and worried. Gen Ai is really pissing me off recently.
When I was going from digital to traditional, i did get pick it up very quickly. However my partner does traditional model colorings and has such a hard time trying to move over to digital.
But when it comes to the layers they showed, it looks wrong. When I do manga panel colorings, I continue shading the skin even when the clothes would be covering it because it will flow more natural. The mapping of coloring is so strange in her art.
literally no artist that renders this well would make mistakes such as this am an artist myself
idk some artists can render well before fully learning anatomy(rendering was much easier to learn than anatomy for me), or they practice other body parts more than hands/feet and so the hands/ feet look weird. I don't think the things pointed out in this video alone are enough to definitively 'prove' someone is using AI. People don't just cleanly improve in all areas at once at the same pace. Some of the other pieces where the rendering is mismatched does feel like something drawn over.
@@arcamira7918Yeah I originally drew a lot using bases so I ended up developing a good sense of light and shadow but once I felt “confident” enough to begin drawing humans from scratch, I struggled a lot since simply coloring and rendering didn’t translate to actually understanding how to draw the form, I was more likely to make mistakes like stretching limbs too much or making the head too big/small for the body, etc. I’ve now studied for roughly 8 years so I’ve a greater understanding of anatomy, but working strictly from bases did set me back a lot in my studying despite my rendering being good. I’m sure to some extent it probably did help me in understanding the forms in 3d space, but drawing the basic form from scratch was very difficult.
@@arcamira7918i agree. Rendering is very easy to me but drawing is so hard. My drawings always looks funny but when i render it look pretty
I agree that that might very well be an AI artist, and AI is lazy and cringe; but stuff like blocking in your shadows in your sketch (marking volume/planning light environment) is Extremely common practice. If you look at art made before AI was a thing, of which there is endless resources, you'll find everyone sketches/plans their images differently, and it's plain wrong to expect everyone to block out the figure of any person, animal or object in the same way using the same methods as everyone else.
I had also transitioned from traditional to digital. 100%youre right, its like starting from square one. 1 month of progress AND a mjor style change? heck noo
21:37 this. Litterally. Such a giveaway. The moment i heard is I nearly choked on my water. No way in hell this is 1 month progress, it took me three years of continuous work to be happy with my digital art after drawing tradi since forever
Regarding the jumps from one part of the drawing to another (around 36:00): I sometimes do it myself and I have friends who work in the same way, but we mostly do it because it gets exhausting redrawing the same thing over and over again :') so you work on, let's say, a hand for a bit, you can't understand how to draw it and you start working on another part, the face, and so on.
I'm not sure if procreate timelapses capture going back and forth during the process (probably not -- if you ctrl-z'd anything it wouldn't be shown in the final video), but the fact that the artist in the video doesn't struggle AT ALL at any point is kinda sus, because even very experienced artists who use anime style sometimes would change things as they work (like redrawing face, experimenting with lighting, etc.)
now this is what i call a Kowalski analysis investigation right here
31:52
One grace I'll give the artist here - the smaller sketch in the corner is a technique called thumbnailing, where you intentionally work at a much smaller scale. Its generally done to establish a very very rough overall idea of how the image will look. Traditionally used for backgrounds, the technique tends to use intentionally smaller canvases or smaller frames within the main canvas to restrict the artist to work with broad strokes and general shapes and forms as it forces you to work small without a smaller tool. You cannot just hold the device further away or zoom out to do this either.
As much as hearing people saying "you don't draw like that" triggers me, I so agree with you
I literally saw this on my feed 2 days ago... I thought it was weird and was ABOUT to enter, dodged that bullet
at this point, because of how ugly I draw body parts, I'll be accused of tracing AI. jesus christ....
I actually do draw the highlights and shading as sketch lines, but I get a new piece of paper and use them on a lightbox so the sketches aren't visible.
mostly it's so my adhd butt doesn't get distracted and forget where they go
you know what's a give away. They can perfectly replicate a pose from program to program, who tf does that?
damn, bro is shitting at all the people who arent at the pro lvl od drawing. nice one.