"I don't know who shylily is." -Lola "I took no inspiration from shylily" -Lola "I took huge inspiration from Shylily" -Lola You keep being caught Lying Lola.
At first I was thinking "Oh, just similiar accent?" AND THEN GOT TO THAT PART AND HOLY MOLY GUACAMALO WHAT IS THAT. HOW CAN SOMEONE MANAGE TO COPY IT SO WELL????????????????? THAT IS INDEED CRAZY
Funny how no one talks about when Lily was accused of copying Veibae's accent and voice, they were legit indistinguishable and Vei even said it creeped her out. Though almost every female vtuber changes her voice and accent to sound a certain way, and that Veibae accent is basically a genre nowadays. Yknow the one where they say "youtoob" instead of youtube
Vei said Lilly was a poor copy of her accent, there is always drama about copying. At the end of the day the one thing nobody can copy is personality and that is what keeps followers engaged.
Name, accent yes but a sailor uniform (for most VTubers the japanese one) is not really rare and definitely not something unique same with the general concept of floppy ears. In the way she did it, yes definitely copied or really really heavily trying to be someone she isnt, but at the end of the day i would still say that you have to watch for the details in the end. In this case the details and the backstory fit together so much that its pretty obvious that she tried to copy shylily. BUT in general floppy ears and sailor uniforms are not a unique concept.
It wasn't so much the model, as there are alot of different vtubers with the same type of model. It was everything that added up, the voice, the clothes, the change in her accent which was wild. It was blatantly copy cat territory. She could have been fine if it weren't for those things I think. The character can be salvaged with subtle changes. But they just didn't want to admit it. Lmao
Agreed but it was blown out of proportion imo. Personally, i'd have liked it if she stuck around. Originality is a virtuous trait but not everyone wants to pay the price to obtain it. If they're even given the opportunity in the first place.
Imo stuff like 3:18 is where she goes from pretty similar to blatantly copying, and it annoyed me. Though graduation is always kind of sad to me. Like, even with stuff like nijisanji drama, I'd be sad if the accused vtubers graduated, even though I'd understand and dont exactly support them anymore @sgtsaltstick2729
Honestly, I think Lola could’ve done this in a better way if she changed up her VTuber and her gimmick. Like, what if she was a Changeling VTuber who would become poorly made knockoffs of other VTubers, or her persona was some mega fan who would cosplay as other VTubers with less quality designs. Would be neat to see her go through a lot of bad knockoff designs, like an Iron Mouse that had her color scheme inverted, a buff Pupp who was a partially torn apart mascot costume, maybe a cardboard box designed to imitate porcelain maid. There’s a lot of room for creative liberties with poor knockoff designs that are intentional and bad.
yes i saw her tweet where she was sayin something like: i found an artist and now we are workin on new model! and i was like, is she talkin about me? What is goin on? And so i texted her as u can see on that screen! (for context 4:45 )
That’s very unprofessional on her part. Honestly seems like she found someone who didn’t see any ethic or IP concerns with making a “lilys fraternal but could be mistaken for identical twin model” for her.
Sorry you got drummed up into this persons web of lies. You did a great job making that model. Sucks how many people she got sucked into this drama with her actions.
I thought "copying VTubers" sounds absurd since under the common denominator, there will be quite the similarity... But not passing Silhouette test Also not passing Recolor test Then not passing the Logo test Continued to not passing the Feature test Followed with not passing the Pose test Finally not passing the Accent test It wouldn't have been this big of drama if only she copied some other fluffy cat model and acknowledge that she's a huge fan of ShyLily.
Yeah like if it didnt have the same tail design and pose it would be a cute avatar. If the ears and design was more sheep like like maybe add some horns or something or if the design matched the plush vibe with the outfit... but it literally has the same pose outfit in the same shape and same tail. She could at least do her own orca style or more plush furry mermaid etc instead of legs... i like the design and colors if it was an actual character but its just a copy
The weird part is that it doesnt even sound german at all, it sounds like she is speaking with a sock in her mouth or something lol Yes, some germans have problems pronouncing the "TH" and similar word combinations but we can actually speak normal english. The popular "ZE" trope comes from older generations but most younger gens can actually speak english without accent since english is the most important language. A lot of people need it for jobs or its part of our daily life here in germany. That Lola girl trying to imitate that... That was kinda cringe ngl
@@izashi47 Not at all, its a downright blatant copy. Inspiration is totally fine but almost every detail except color scheme got copied. The rest of her and how she acts is also not inspired but copied
@@nicz7694 well acting yes not saying anything about that, but the model does have details that Lily doesnt, idk it looks different enough to pass as fair use imo, unoriginal sure ,but it it different enough.
@@izashi47 I felt the same until her own model artist called her out. The first version of her model was very visually distinct from Lily, but Lola asked for it to be changed to look more like her. It was made deliberately to make people compare them. Her previous model had some similar features to Lily (not really a copy, just sort of similar), so some of Lily’s more deranged fans started accusing her of being a copy/ripoff. This brought her a lot of good attention, because people felt bad for her and were defending her. Her actively trying to be MORE like Shylily after that situation is pretty telling.
The funniest part is that I don't think anyone would have cared if she hadn't made a fuss about it. There's a relatively popular indie VTuber who has a very similar design to ShyLily (even down to being a shark instead of an orca) and I've never seen anyone who even cares because she's not trying to ape her personality.
The Streisand Effect is a very real and very powerful tool. All that's needed is someone's insecurity and them being extremely loud about how the insecurity doesn't exist.
no the problem isnt really the vtuber model the problem is everything else, the accent, the logo and the whole whoop whoop thing. That is the problem here
yeah honestly, I think the entire thing would have ended better if she just played up the copycat angle as a giant joke, like it was all intentional from the outset become a discount/off brand shylily clone. there are tons of people that like that sort of thing and it could have been a giant injoke for her viewers.
It's wild, I don't think you can accidentally plagiarize that accurately. I think that if you want to be a vtuber, or just stream in general your personality is always going to be what gets people to come back. Focus on yourself and get a design that is original and recognizable. I wish her the best should she learn from this and move forward to become her own in the future.
You can 100% accidentally "plagiarize" a theme of a few different features, but this is blatant tracing. For reference what I mean is a situation I had with a character I created in 2018. He had long hair, was a medic, wore glasses, and had a very professional monotone personality. Come to play Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millenium Girl in 2020, and find out that Simon Yorke ALSO has all these features. Understandably, I was worried that people would think I had copied a character I didn't even know existed at the time. However a friend of mine pointed out that my character passed the silhouette test and also had various major design differences and additional personality traits that would set him apart. They just happened to have those four traits in the center of their vent diagram with most of the features on the outside. *THIS IS NOT THAT* THIS IS BLATANT COPYING NOT JUST ACCIDENTAL DESIGN Glad she's graduating...
About those manufactured "drama" accounts... Those names are basically what chatgpt would spit out if you asked for a name based on the traits in their pfps.
yes!! it's definitely such a cute concept and ppl on twitter who "reworked" it really brought out the potential that design had, without completely ripping off shylily
@@katlienteIt's a shame really. Like I mentioned on another reply, I genuinely feel bad for Lola since she's talented with voice impressions - being able to fully copy someone's voice to a point where you think it's literally the same person is a talent not many people have. Lola just decided to Streisand Effect her own vtuber career, which really is a waste of talent if I'm being honest. She has potential, and maybe if she took this time to rethink her priorities, she might be able to do something like EileMonty.
This kinda seems like a sad case of someone liking Shylily so much that they became obsessed. They wanted to become just like Shylily, but they felt compelled to deny it at every turn, and felt so guilty about it that they made alt accounts to attack herself. Finally they just kinda imploded on themselves and I hope they get better and learn to enjoy just being themselves.
That's actually where I genuinely feel more compassion and empathy instead of disgust for SmolLola. I completely get wanting to emulate your inspiration(s) so much to a point where you wanna be just like them, but in the end you lose yourself and end up just being a knockoff version that people don't actually like. I'm sure if Lola cares about her future vtubing career, she'll rethink what she wants her character to be and make it happen. She has potential - the fact she's able to imitate Lily's voice so well it's actually quite impressive and scary at the same time. She could be an amazing voice impressionist, like EileMonty. It's sad this drama caused her to graduate.
I may just be looking too into this, but comparing Lily and Lola's logos, do parts of Lola's look poorly traced to anyone else? The first thing that stood out to me was the "S" in "Smol": the main body of the letter and the dorsal fin are relatively smooth, but once you get to the tail, the transition becomes less natural and the lines are more angular until it reaches the tail fins, but after you showed the closeup, I noticed the tail branching off Lola's "L" is pretty much an exact copy of Lil's "Y" just mirrored and with a few fur details added on.
As soon as i heard her copying the accent... my jaw dropped from how much shocked it was. Theres a limit to an inspiration (Even saying you don't know shylily you little liar) but im just shocked in a bad way. Im just speechless of how she think she would sneak around without issues.
i don get how ppl can just graduate and come back with a spanking new model all rigged and everything within like months and such. LIKE BRUH HOW RICH ARE U GUYS??? rigging in itself is so expensive?!?!?!
I feel like she still has the accent in the old clip because she sounds like she's saying her th's as da's but she definitely accentuates it later on to sound more like lily.
Thank you for covering this to bring the situation more awareness! Also I was the comment at 7:00 wooooooo lol. I don't usually comment on drama but I've been following this story for months since I always knew something sus was going on
Let's not kid ourselves, even those "Doesn't look like ShyLily" models look like ShyLily, just with a different outfit and color palate. Lily could just come out with different clothes for her model and different hairstyles/colors, and it will look exactly like that. You can't tell me it doesn't look like ShyLily anymore just because she's in different clothes, so you can't tell me even those previous Lola models "Don't look like ShyLily". Seems a bit of a stretch to me
I am an artist and have my own vtuber model. Have not streamed yet, but I did commission my model. To play a tiny bit of devil’s advocate: These are two entirely different designs with a similar silhouette because they are vtubers based on similar sea creatures. The outfit looks similar but nobody owns school girl crop top and a ruffly skirt. Even then the outfits are different with both the shoulders being cold on Lola’s design and the straps being different. I didn’t think any of the swimsuit designs looked appealing and it would be easy to agree with that and go find an artist who would draw your oc in a pretty dress/crop top and skirt. Having an actual outfit allows for more flow-y parts that draw the eye. I would not want my vtuber model in a swimsuit either. If its animated I want fabric movement. And if my sea-creature based I want something that looks summery and flowy and like I’m about to be at the beach. Draw these two in different poses and they’re clearly only based off of similar animals, + the weird ears. Yes the tails are similar. How else are you going to put a dolphin/orca/whale tail on a vtuber model where it is visible but not in the way? I feel like some aspects in VTuber models specifically DO have this “Well pants need to be two pant legs and wasteband” because there are practical ways to position/model/rig a vtuber model. To best show off the design, a-pose works really well, you don’t want anything coming in and getting in the way of the face, etc. That’d be like saying Catboy A is the same as Catboy B because their ears and tails are similarly placed/have similar physics in their models. Like.. Yes. The artist and rigger of Catboy A did a really good job animating the tail and Catboy B wanted a similar look. You cannot “steal” an art style or the way a tail moves. If Lola wanted to be based off of an orca/dolphin/whale, and have a similar tail, she was ALWAYS going to be compared to Shylily because Shylily did it first. “I recolored and changed the patterns, look how similar they are!” Lol. No shit? They’re based off of similar sea creatures and are both anime girls with long hair, ears and an orca/dolphin tail wearing a crop top and skirt. That’d be like saying a crop top and a skirt is the same exact outfit as a different crop top with a different skirt. It isn’t. Colors are a massive part of design. When you recolor something to look like something else, it’s going to look like that something else. The ONLY things about this that are bad are: 1: If the model itself is traced, which I don’t think it is. 2: Her copying Shylily’s accent is disgusting and weird. She should have her own personality and brand. 3: She should have admitted earlier that Shylily was an inspiration. 4: Creating her own drama and responding to herself for engagement. Terrible. 5: Just dont copy people’s brands. Literally none of this would have happened if she just said, “Yeah! I took inspiration from the way Shylily did xyz on her model and had xyz toggles. You should come check out my stream anyway, because I still have something different to offer.” And like. Not copied her brand. Tl;dr The design is fine, and super cute, and I actually like it a great deal more than Shylily’s. Lola’s actions are the problem.
So glad I found your UA-cam. Love to be able to be kept up to date on this drama. I saw it start on twitter before and was wondering what happened since
I was about to give her the benefit of a doubt too and be like "leave the poor girl alone" but uhh with all this stacked against her, I can also no longer do that
You could totally be another orcacat or whatever type vtuber but that’s a “this is my fraternal twin sister” kinda close in the models. Especially compared to the old model which was way more distinct, the accent change, the knock off version like catchphrase, etc. Big “if I can’t compete with her, I’ll just be her” vibes. Way beyond just copying metas and trends like almost every vtuber does.
People call this drama, but its uncredited inspiration at best, and plagiarism at worst. If lola had just owned the similarities she had with Shylily, I'm pretty sure more people would of accepted her with open arms. Im a fan of ShyLily and it would of been awesome to have a fan vtuber fangirling along side us. Tho realisticly lola will forever be stuck in ShyLily's shadow if she had continued with the similarities.
honestly if she had a few other 'knockoff' models and an original model with a distinct flair for her to have when not fangirling, everyone would like it... hell it would be promoting to the Chat on who she thought needs more Chat... but this shit is not a good thing, creative fangirl copying vs blatant 'obviously distinct' plagiarism is a massive difference
If I was a Vtuber and was getting a model, I would make it public information that I was taking inspiration from someone else. But how I'll do it differently than Lola is by first; asking said inspiration if its okay and for input. Second; I'll try to make the animal influences be tied to a specific animal that's endangered and not be something common like a Dolphin vs Shylily's Orca so I could further differentiate myself down the line. Overall, this whole situation was a bad PR stunt both created and followed by many unforgettable mistakes. However, I hope Lola eventually comes clean about the copying and chooses to make a clean slate with a new model.
If she would have just admitted the model was inspired by Shylily, left it at that and did her own thing she'd still have a career in Vtubing but she took it too far. Did she not think anyone would notice? Lmfao
something i havent seen anyone mention is the name. maybe a coincidence but the tv show hannah montanna the character lily's persona is LOLA !!!!! maybe a crazy coincidence but idk...
Yikes, I'm taking the first dive into using animated models in general and this is crazy 😭 I personally agree with the "too many accidents" part, and even though intention matters, the result is most often going to take up the attention. Maybe a plausible way to resolve this would be for the two creators to discuss and come to a public agreement together? No idea about what's gonna happen next because I've never seen either of them before, so I'm trying to comment with the little information that I have.
As a German I can say this is NOT a german accent lmaoo Greetings from an artist in Germanyyy! Found this channel yesterday and am bingewatching it since ♥
thank u for making this video! i saw the drama all over my timeline but it was so chaotic tbh lol! ive had someone copy unique traits of my model and someone else even going as far as stealing my brand, but because im a smaller vtuber ppl dont care as much i think :')
It was absolutely WILD seeing this go down on vtuber twitter. I made a passing comment thinking it was just silly someone would actually think they wouldn't be criticized for such obvious copying of someones homework, but then it just got worse and worse. Such a waste of an opportunity to grow as a content creator
The body shape is the same. The legs and arms look like carbon copies of each other. The accent is the same. Lola tried to copy Lily’s homework but didn’t even try to make it look like her own work.
I think it's important to find your own voice and style, so you can stand out among the sea of VTubers that are out there. Lola did herself a disservice by copying too much from someone she clearly idolized, and the way things shook out are a clear indication she did not ask for permission or anything. Things were not alright between the artists and riggers. Lily herself has chosen not to engage in drama, and to tell her fans not to attack anyone. If it was the soft voice thing, that's something we saw a lot in female VTubers like Nyanners and Vei. The accent is just a regional thing, however Lola has made a run of excuses regarding her accent. It's the animated manner in which Lily moves, though, that Lola has copied the most distinctly, together with the voice. Honestly, Lily has spoken a few times on how much effort she has to go to to properly animate the model. If there's one thing I wish other VTubers would take from her, that's the one. You need hard work and effort, you can't just sit there and dead fish the performance. So I hope Lola (and others) finds a voice and style that's her own, then she can strike out for success without the drama baiting and lying. The truth will always come out, and not everyone is as forgiving as Shylily.
Honestly the accent copying is kind of creepy, like if someone copied exactly how I talked I would either assume they were mocking me or being parasocial to an extreme
JFC... I said on twitter that it's disgusting that an artist would create such a rip off of Lily's model, cause there's no way you could make something that close without intentionally referencing it, but firing your artist (that you couldn't steer them that way) by finding another artist who would take over the project and make a more Lily like design... more scumbaggery. Funny thing is, nothing in Lily's accent is a UK accent but apparently it's not a proper German accent either... I always had trouble placing it because it sounded Nordic but not quite, so finding out she's tweaked down her accent makes a lot of sense. My experience has been that what people mean when they say their accent is (legitimately) a combination is that you tend to settle a main accent when first learning to speak but if you spend enough time interacting with people in a sufficiently different accent or dialect you'll start to pick up weird quirks from them. Things like "Zee" vs "Zed", if you hear the one different from your own enough you'll start to pick it up as a social mirroring. Obviously, the older you get the less it happens and the whole thing goes out the window when dealing with other languages... here's where we get back to Lily: A German speaking English will have an accent determined by how and when they learned English, who they learned from, and how much conscious effort they've put into correcting bleed over pronunciation. It's really easy to spot how this works with people who are English/Japanese bilingual since the phonetics are different enough to bleed obviously but close enough to be corrected cleanly, where as most people taking English as a second language can't fully lose the bleed over. Lumituber is a nice example, her English fluent and correctly pronounced but there's still a trace of Finnish. Compare that to Merryweather who has an incredibly clean RP English accent to the point you wouldn't know he was Danish.
There are some comments here saying they don't care about this drama (but are bothered enough to leave a comment), claiming that Shylily's model is not even similar to hers, or directly telling people to stop talking about this drama. Given that Lola has an alleged track record of making fake Vtuber accounts to "harass" herself, and it appeared that she didn't really have that much of a huge following enough to build her own army of white knights, it makes me wonder if any of these comments were left by Lola's burner accounts.
" you disagree with me so you're an alt" tf are people supposed to do to disprove that?💀 this drama is dumb as hell and her copying isn't wrong at all, art is about taking and adding
remembering an issue of a person that intentionally betrayed and gaslit his group for a "prank" and basically saying "Sorry you feel that way" in his apology.
I read the tweet of SmolLola about she is not a victim and in the comments below she said she has autism like, wtf? (There's a comment there that one is saying her husband is has autism and pick up the accent form a california co worker and she replays that she had autism..?) D: It makes me sad that she done all of this and involving a great Vtuber such ShyLily to this drama. Why she is doing this??? (sorry for my grammar, my english is not my first lenguage ;; )
What’s crazy is that this has happened before but not just with Indy vtubers (though it has unfortunately), company vtubers have done it too. Though many times the model in question will get discontinued after receiving backlash. Oh and there’s been companies who actually repurpose their models. Some time back a male vtuber was gonna debut in a company via their English branch but he either backed out last minute due to the crazy controversy the company was getting or was kicked to the curb by management then some months or so later the company is like “Hey we got this Japanese male vtuber debuting soon, hope you like him.” and the model is the exact same as the one for the guy who never got to use it. I believe this company also did this with a female model too or it might have been another equally shady company but either way it’s happened twice to my knowledge.
Not to defend her but her not owning up to what she did could be the thing when you were in school as a child where you hadn't done your homework and just come up with excuse after excuse while digging yourself in a bigger and bigger hole while it would just have been easier to just say you forgot to do it. Pride and embarrassment is the downfall of us all XD Good video, keep up the good work.
i dunno i remember when shylily was accused of copying veibae's accent plus theres literally a megalodon vtuber that look like shylily as well????????????????????
If thos was just the ears and hair it could pass maybe more lamb sheep ish design could fix that and it could still be similar... but the pose, the tail like its just literally copied. Its not even a fluffy ,mermaid' but that weird back tail design too.
My main argument would be that if she really wasn't trying to copy ShyLily, she would have referenced her design to specifically check to not look like her. Like, if I was planing to be a hellhound, you can be damn sure I am not choosing brown hairs with orange streaks or red clothes as my colors
I covered your last video on stream today, and I agree this person deserves no sympathy. this is like the person who tries to steal another persons life. It’s creepy it’s gross and it’s plain out plagiarism. Also she made another new account this month! That says copycat/Vtuber. With a dolphin and a catgirl in the banner. So needless to say she not leaving. She will be back with the same grift. In a few months. Sorry to say but @elaravtuber dropped the ball on the interview left her to much wiggle room to lie. Lola need to stop the grift. It’s old.
At first i tought well just german accent but she is not even german and wow she sounds the same xD when i only knew about the model i could say yes its ok, on the line, but ok. Now with all that its clear that she tries to be the same as lily :'3
the problem with that design and why her comparaison saying they have more differences than similarities doesn't work is that all the differences are MINOR DETAILS apart from the color scheme while the similarities are big enough to make them indistinguishable in the case where you'd black out their silhouettes.
Even if Smollola's vtuber model can be handwaved away as ""legally distinct enough"" from Shylily's vtuber model a la Pal World to Pokemon, there's still a statement that she's making by being that derivative. That statement is "I should be measured against that whom I'm taking this much inspiration from." While Pal World has effectively got away with it by doing many things amazingly (examples include serving non-Nintendo consoles and older demographics, which were incredibly underserved), Smollola has some HUGE shoes to fill to get away with this maneuver herself. My money's on her not surpassing Shylily's entertainment value.
Palworld and Pokemon are not at all the same. Palworld and Pokemon are in the same genre of monsters can be captured and put to use. Did you forget about Digimon? Monster Rancher? Even Nintendo low key said "We have no problem with them, just shut up already." I personally got some Monster Rancher vibes, especially the anime style from the one shot anime that came out to promote it. People who only see pokemon are anime infants. Explore the anime world much harder and better understand the tamer genre.
@@Fantastic.Elastic Digimon, Pokemon, Monster Rancher and Palworld can in fact be handwaved away as "legally distinct enough". While your point is indeed correct, it doesn't conflict with my point made above. Pokemon is in fact the gold standard that many people, whether or not they be "anime infants", compare these other franchises to. Is it unfair? Yes. Do people do it anyway? Also yes.
In the end she got what she wanted, the attention. And she still has that as I’m sure a lot of people are like “oh i wonder what her new model will look like” and waiting for the reveal. She has placed herself in a big spotlight in the vtuber community because of all of this. Her intentions was always this and she knew it, like it was said, any publicity is good publicity.
Yeah I've seen a couple models that look simmilar or have simmilar designs and ideas... But that model has as many differences as the different elden ring knights, which on its own is bad. But Swom Swom vs Womp Womp? Basically copying how lily talks? That person is dancing on the line between copying and identity theft.
I used to be a big fan of ShyLily. But then I attended my first ever stream with her. My first ever Vtuber stream in general, in fact. It seemed nice at first. Lily was really living up to the reputation of her UA-cam clips of being a wholesome-yet-lewd Vtuber. She even called me out in the chat when South Korea came up and I mentioned I was Korean-American. It was really nice. Then a guy dropped a political hoax involving CSA. As a CSA survivor who came to the stream to enjoy some lewdsome relaxation, this made me deeply uncomfortable. I tried to bring attention to Lily or any mods she had, but I was ignored. Everyone was bizarre okay with a guy suddenly dropping politics, hoaxes, and mentions of kiddy-fiddling in a lewdsome stream. I even tried mentioning it to Lily but she responed to all my messages and DMs with radio silence. She was completely okay with allowing this guy to drop political CSA hoaxes in her lewd-and-wholesome stream. I've not been in a Vtuber's Twitch stream since.
"I don't know who shylily is." -Lola
"I took no inspiration from shylily" -Lola
"I took huge inspiration from Shylily" -Lola
You keep being caught Lying Lola.
yet some people still believe in lola welp it's their choice
You forgot "I had no intention of taking inspiration from Shylily" -Lola
Don’t forget the “ i get mental distress and cry 😢 when someone tells me im similar to this unknown person called Shylily . ”
Vtuber space is kinda cringe
Lmaoo it's too clear 🤣🤣
"Can I copy your homework?"
"Yeah, but change it up a bit so it doesn't look like you copied it, okay?"
"Okay."
Now where have I heard this conversation before oh right my entire high school
@@fung4038land of plagiarism
@@AsterWi we ganna finish that homework man we ganna
Except they didn't ask the person that they were copying from lol
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT!
the accent is CRAZYYY
At first I was thinking "Oh, just similiar accent?"
AND THEN GOT TO THAT PART AND HOLY MOLY GUACAMALO WHAT IS THAT.
HOW CAN SOMEONE MANAGE TO COPY IT SO WELL????????????????? THAT IS INDEED CRAZY
@@wingficwithoutwings even people with similar accents sounds noticably different. she is trying to copy it 1:1
That's some ''SssniperWolf vs Azzyland'' stuff
Even worse, the way she speaks with her "original" model is very much Froot.
Funny how no one talks about when Lily was accused of copying Veibae's accent and voice, they were legit indistinguishable and Vei even said it creeped her out.
Though almost every female vtuber changes her voice and accent to sound a certain way, and that Veibae accent is basically a genre nowadays. Yknow the one where they say "youtoob" instead of youtube
the name, copying lily's accent (...creepy), the seifuku, the floppy ears..... idk who she was trying to fool 😭
Vei said Lilly was a poor copy of her accent, there is always drama about copying. At the end of the day the one thing nobody can copy is personality and that is what keeps followers engaged.
@@kinglicks5646 the vei thing was stupid. this however was just blatant skinwalker type stuff. they wanted to be shylily in everyway.
The name is just so blatant. Shylily rolls off the tongue well, and SmolLola tries to emulate that feel, but it's just off to me
Name, accent yes but a sailor uniform (for most VTubers the japanese one) is not really rare and definitely not something unique same with the general concept of floppy ears. In the way she did it, yes definitely copied or really really heavily trying to be someone she isnt, but at the end of the day i would still say that you have to watch for the details in the end.
In this case the details and the backstory fit together so much that its pretty obvious that she tried to copy shylily. BUT in general floppy ears and sailor uniforms are not a unique concept.
It wasn't so much the model, as there are alot of different vtubers with the same type of model. It was everything that added up, the voice, the clothes, the change in her accent which was wild. It was blatantly copy cat territory. She could have been fine if it weren't for those things I think. The character can be salvaged with subtle changes. But they just didn't want to admit it. Lmao
This is high school level of copy and dishonesty you’d see from kids blatantly copying something and claiming it’s their original.
some highschoolers are far better at this than her ngl
high-school? i would say middle school
Agreed but it was blown out of proportion imo.
Personally, i'd have liked it if she stuck around.
Originality is a virtuous trait but not everyone wants to pay the price to obtain it. If they're even given the opportunity in the first place.
Imo stuff like 3:18 is where she goes from pretty similar to blatantly copying, and it annoyed me. Though graduation is always kind of sad to me. Like, even with stuff like nijisanji drama, I'd be sad if the accused vtubers graduated, even though I'd understand and dont exactly support them anymore @sgtsaltstick2729
"YOU COPIED MY OUTFIT!!" is something I heard a lot in high school, so I suppose both sides are childish and need to touch grass.
Honestly, I think Lola could’ve done this in a better way if she changed up her VTuber and her gimmick. Like, what if she was a Changeling VTuber who would become poorly made knockoffs of other VTubers, or her persona was some mega fan who would cosplay as other VTubers with less quality designs. Would be neat to see her go through a lot of bad knockoff designs, like an Iron Mouse that had her color scheme inverted, a buff Pupp who was a partially torn apart mascot costume, maybe a cardboard box designed to imitate porcelain maid. There’s a lot of room for creative liberties with poor knockoff designs that are intentional and bad.
That's really creative! (a cardboard box porcelain maid though, sounds hilarious 😆)
I'm stealing the first one thank you for the idea ;)
@@flaminhatterene886 It ain’t stealing if you get permission afterwards. Go for it!
@@flaminhatterene886 it’s not streaming if you have permission! Go for it!!
@@flaminhatterene886you’ve got my permission!
yes i saw her tweet where she was sayin something like: i found an artist and now we are workin on new model!
and i was like, is she talkin about me? What is goin on? And so i texted her as u can see on that screen!
(for context 4:45 )
That’s very unprofessional on her part. Honestly seems like she found someone who didn’t see any ethic or IP concerns with making a “lilys fraternal but could be mistaken for identical twin model” for her.
I can’t believe she didn’t even communicate that to u privately before telling twitter 😭 u deserved sm better 🥺
Sorry you got drummed up into this persons web of lies. You did a great job making that model. Sucks how many people she got sucked into this drama with her actions.
This situation is so stupid
Did you get paid by her?
the whole accent thing is literally giving SSSniperwolf
Why
@@LumineScara-tp9sw SSSniperwolf did everything she could to copy Azzyland, to the point of copying Azzy's accent.
real tho
I thought "copying VTubers" sounds absurd since under the common denominator, there will be quite the similarity...
But not passing Silhouette test
Also not passing Recolor test
Then not passing the Logo test
Continued to not passing the Feature test
Followed with not passing the Pose test
Finally not passing the Accent test
It wouldn't have been this big of drama if only she copied some other fluffy cat model and acknowledge that she's a huge fan of ShyLily.
Yeah like if it didnt have the same tail design and pose it would be a cute avatar. If the ears and design was more sheep like like maybe add some horns or something or if the design matched the plush vibe with the outfit... but it literally has the same pose outfit in the same shape and same tail. She could at least do her own orca style or more plush furry mermaid etc instead of legs... i like the design and colors if it was an actual character but its just a copy
And you also cant forget 3:18
honestly best course of action for lola is to own up to all of it and completely rework her model and personality and start with a clean slate
Why should she own up to something that’s not happening and plus I prefer her design and personality and don’t want it to change.
I'm pretty sure that's what she's doing with the entire graduation already.
Original plan didn't go well, welp we go agane.
@@yakaraiki5941 Or maybe y’all monsters are just bullying/harassing her offline.
Didn't something say she did this before? Like copied lily, got called out, rebranded, did this?@@yakaraiki5941
@@Taz-ey4jlShe changed her story multiple times. People tend to do that when they've been caught in a lie.
Once she started putting on a fake German accent, there was no room for doubt.
The weird part is that it doesnt even sound german at all, it sounds like she is speaking with a sock in her mouth or something lol
Yes, some germans have problems pronouncing the "TH" and similar word combinations but we can actually speak normal english. The popular "ZE" trope comes from older generations but most younger gens can actually speak english without accent since english is the most important language. A lot of people need it for jobs or its part of our daily life here in germany.
That Lola girl trying to imitate that... That was kinda cringe ngl
well true ,but isnt the model different enough though? not saying anything about copying the way she talks,but the model should be ok though
@@izashi47 Not at all, its a downright blatant copy.
Inspiration is totally fine but almost every detail except color scheme got copied.
The rest of her and how she acts is also not inspired but copied
@@nicz7694 well acting yes not saying anything about that, but the model does have details that Lily doesnt, idk it looks different enough to pass as fair use imo, unoriginal sure ,but it it different enough.
@@izashi47 I felt the same until her own model artist called her out. The first version of her model was very visually distinct from Lily, but Lola asked for it to be changed to look more like her. It was made deliberately to make people compare them.
Her previous model had some similar features to Lily (not really a copy, just sort of similar), so some of Lily’s more deranged fans started accusing her of being a copy/ripoff. This brought her a lot of good attention, because people felt bad for her and were defending her.
Her actively trying to be MORE like Shylily after that situation is pretty telling.
Vtuber drama goes craaazy
yeah holy shit this took so long to sort through 😭
Lola came up with more original designs for her fake VT accounts than her own lol
FR I would actually watch the ocean girl if she was a real vtuber
The funniest part is that I don't think anyone would have cared if she hadn't made a fuss about it. There's a relatively popular indie VTuber who has a very similar design to ShyLily (even down to being a shark instead of an orca) and I've never seen anyone who even cares because she's not trying to ape her personality.
The Streisand Effect is a very real and very powerful tool. All that's needed is someone's insecurity and them being extremely loud about how the insecurity doesn't exist.
Is the shark Vtuber you mentioned Megalodon ?
Honestly I don’t mind Mega, since she’s being way more professional than this girl.
no the problem isnt really the vtuber model
the problem is everything else, the accent, the logo and the whole whoop whoop thing. That is the problem here
yeah honestly, I think the entire thing would have ended better if she just played up the copycat angle as a giant joke, like it was all intentional from the outset become a discount/off brand shylily clone. there are tons of people that like that sort of thing and it could have been a giant injoke for her viewers.
*"Identity theft is not a joke Jim"*
It's wild, I don't think you can accidentally plagiarize that accurately. I think that if you want to be a vtuber, or just stream in general your personality is always going to be what gets people to come back. Focus on yourself and get a design that is original and recognizable. I wish her the best should she learn from this and move forward to become her own in the future.
The creepiest part of it all imo was her CLEARLY trying to copy her accent….
Y’all are delusional
You can 100% accidentally "plagiarize" a theme of a few different features, but this is blatant tracing.
For reference what I mean is a situation I had with a character I created in 2018. He had long hair, was a medic, wore glasses, and had a very professional monotone personality. Come to play Etrian Odyssey Untold: The Millenium Girl in 2020, and find out that Simon Yorke ALSO has all these features. Understandably, I was worried that people would think I had copied a character I didn't even know existed at the time. However a friend of mine pointed out that my character passed the silhouette test and also had various major design differences and additional personality traits that would set him apart. They just happened to have those four traits in the center of their vent diagram with most of the features on the outside.
*THIS IS NOT THAT*
THIS IS BLATANT COPYING NOT JUST ACCIDENTAL DESIGN
Glad she's graduating...
@@Kinokoumori You people are horrible people and insane with that rant you made.
@@Taz-ey4jl Horrible because we refuse to support an art thief? Okay, sure, fam.
Not passing the silhouette test = youre done for🥶
About those manufactured "drama" accounts...
Those names are basically what chatgpt would spit out if you asked for a name based on the traits in their pfps.
To be honest Lola's design actually looked cute in terms of the color scheme and details, I just wish she actually tried to be original 😭😭
yes!! it's definitely such a cute concept and ppl on twitter who "reworked" it really brought out the potential that design had, without completely ripping off shylily
@@katlienteIt's a shame really. Like I mentioned on another reply, I genuinely feel bad for Lola since she's talented with voice impressions - being able to fully copy someone's voice to a point where you think it's literally the same person is a talent not many people have. Lola just decided to Streisand Effect her own vtuber career, which really is a waste of talent if I'm being honest. She has potential, and maybe if she took this time to rethink her priorities, she might be able to do something like EileMonty.
@@katlienteI think the rework looks terrible.
@@ResidentWeevil2077I wouldn’t take advice from y’all if I was her.
2:37 she sounds like she is trying to sound like the little lady from little misfortune
This kinda seems like a sad case of someone liking Shylily so much that they became obsessed. They wanted to become just like Shylily, but they felt compelled to deny it at every turn, and felt so guilty about it that they made alt accounts to attack herself. Finally they just kinda imploded on themselves and I hope they get better and learn to enjoy just being themselves.
That's actually where I genuinely feel more compassion and empathy instead of disgust for SmolLola. I completely get wanting to emulate your inspiration(s) so much to a point where you wanna be just like them, but in the end you lose yourself and end up just being a knockoff version that people don't actually like. I'm sure if Lola cares about her future vtubing career, she'll rethink what she wants her character to be and make it happen. She has potential - the fact she's able to imitate Lily's voice so well it's actually quite impressive and scary at the same time. She could be an amazing voice impressionist, like EileMonty. It's sad this drama caused her to graduate.
I may just be looking too into this, but comparing Lily and Lola's logos, do parts of Lola's look poorly traced to anyone else? The first thing that stood out to me was the "S" in "Smol": the main body of the letter and the dorsal fin are relatively smooth, but once you get to the tail, the transition becomes less natural and the lines are more angular until it reaches the tail fins, but after you showed the closeup, I noticed the tail branching off Lola's "L" is pretty much an exact copy of Lil's "Y" just mirrored and with a few fur details added on.
As soon as i heard her copying the accent... my jaw dropped from how much shocked it was. Theres a limit to an inspiration (Even saying you don't know shylily you little liar) but im just shocked in a bad way. Im just speechless of how she think she would sneak around without issues.
4:29 she should have gone with a version of THAT model.
i don get how ppl can just graduate and come back with a spanking new model all rigged and everything within like months and such.
LIKE BRUH HOW RICH ARE U GUYS??? rigging in itself is so expensive?!?!?!
"We have a ShyLily at home."
I feel like she still has the accent in the old clip because she sounds like she's saying her th's as da's but she definitely accentuates it later on to sound more like lily.
its not only the accent, but the mannerism of speaking with the giggles and airy sound, its straight up like an impersonation
Thank you for covering this to bring the situation more awareness! Also I was the comment at 7:00 wooooooo lol. I don't usually comment on drama but I've been following this story for months since I always knew something sus was going on
Let's not kid ourselves, even those "Doesn't look like ShyLily" models look like ShyLily, just with a different outfit and color palate. Lily could just come out with different clothes for her model and different hairstyles/colors, and it will look exactly like that. You can't tell me it doesn't look like ShyLily anymore just because she's in different clothes, so you can't tell me even those previous Lola models "Don't look like ShyLily". Seems a bit of a stretch to me
like sure the models are very similar... the catchphrase and voice really ruined the benefit of the doubt
SmolLola: I'm an original creation, like Ricky Rouse and Monald Muck.
I am an artist and have my own vtuber model. Have not streamed yet, but I did commission my model.
To play a tiny bit of devil’s advocate:
These are two entirely different designs with a similar silhouette because they are vtubers based on similar sea creatures. The outfit looks similar but nobody owns school girl crop top and a ruffly skirt. Even then the outfits are different with both the shoulders being cold on Lola’s design and the straps being different. I didn’t think any of the swimsuit designs looked appealing and it would be easy to agree with that and go find an artist who would draw your oc in a pretty dress/crop top and skirt. Having an actual outfit allows for more flow-y parts that draw the eye. I would not want my vtuber model in a swimsuit either. If its animated I want fabric movement. And if my sea-creature based I want something that looks summery and flowy and like I’m about to be at the beach.
Draw these two in different poses and they’re clearly only based off of similar animals, + the weird ears.
Yes the tails are similar. How else are you going to put a dolphin/orca/whale tail on a vtuber model where it is visible but not in the way? I feel like some aspects in VTuber models specifically DO have this “Well pants need to be two pant legs and wasteband” because there are practical ways to position/model/rig a vtuber model. To best show off the design, a-pose works really well, you don’t want anything coming in and getting in the way of the face, etc.
That’d be like saying Catboy A is the same as Catboy B because their ears and tails are similarly placed/have similar physics in their models.
Like.. Yes. The artist and rigger of Catboy A did a really good job animating the tail and Catboy B wanted a similar look. You cannot “steal” an art style or the way a tail moves.
If Lola wanted to be based off of an orca/dolphin/whale, and have a similar tail, she was ALWAYS going to be compared to Shylily because Shylily did it first.
“I recolored and changed the patterns, look how similar they are!” Lol. No shit? They’re based off of similar sea creatures and are both anime girls with long hair, ears and an orca/dolphin tail wearing a crop top and skirt. That’d be like saying a crop top and a skirt is the same exact outfit as a different crop top with a different skirt. It isn’t. Colors are a massive part of design. When you recolor something to look like something else, it’s going to look like that something else.
The ONLY things about this that are bad are:
1: If the model itself is traced, which I don’t think it is.
2: Her copying Shylily’s accent is disgusting and weird. She should have her own personality and brand.
3: She should have admitted earlier that Shylily was an inspiration.
4: Creating her own drama and responding to herself for engagement. Terrible.
5: Just dont copy people’s brands.
Literally none of this would have happened if she just said, “Yeah! I took inspiration from the way Shylily did xyz on her model and had xyz toggles. You should come check out my stream anyway, because I still have something different to offer.” And like. Not copied her brand.
Tl;dr
The design is fine, and super cute, and I actually like it a great deal more than Shylily’s. Lola’s actions are the problem.
Am I the only one that thing the colors on the og model looks 10x better the purple and black looked pretty nice and didn’t look like a full clone
I disagree the colors don’t look nearly as good as the new colors.
@@Taz-ey4jl ig I prefer darker colors more
i would like to add, the kirby bow lola has, shylily has used, and the old clothes resemble another old set of clothes that shylily has
to be fair you were way too nice in the first video lol
I reaaallly was trying to be a nice person in that video but I clearly gave up here xD
So glad I found your UA-cam. Love to be able to be kept up to date on this drama. I saw it start on twitter before and was wondering what happened since
"Mom I want ShyLilly" "We have ShyLilly at home" *Lola at home*
TO BE FAIR, its quite impressive to impersonate ShyLily's accent to a TEE, that was actually impressive.
Honestly when not looking at the phone you could think it was a little sickly Shylilly talking
Imagine trying to get away with being a wish version of Shylily 💀
"Mom, can we have ShyLily?"
"No, we have ShyLily at home"
ShyLily at home:
I was about to give her the benefit of a doubt too and be like "leave the poor girl alone" but uhh with all this stacked against her, I can also no longer do that
You could totally be another orcacat or whatever type vtuber but that’s a “this is my fraternal twin sister” kinda close in the models.
Especially compared to the old model which was way more distinct, the accent change, the knock off version like catchphrase, etc.
Big “if I can’t compete with her, I’ll just be her” vibes. Way beyond just copying metas and trends like almost every vtuber does.
Insert solider boy, “he stole my whole f*cking flow” Meme 😂
her first mo del actually does look like lily, it's lily's alternate swimsuit outfit. she was copying lily since the beginning
no idea it went this deep wow
me neither omg
I've been binge watching dramas of the past year for 4 hours straight. I think I got brain rot.
People call this drama, but its uncredited inspiration at best, and plagiarism at worst.
If lola had just owned the similarities she had with Shylily, I'm pretty sure more people would of accepted her with open arms.
Im a fan of ShyLily and it would of been awesome to have a fan vtuber fangirling along side us.
Tho realisticly lola will forever be stuck in ShyLily's shadow if she had continued with the similarities.
honestly if she had a few other 'knockoff' models and an original model with a distinct flair for her to have when not fangirling, everyone would like it... hell it would be promoting to the Chat on who she thought needs more Chat... but this shit is not a good thing, creative fangirl copying vs blatant 'obviously distinct' plagiarism is a massive difference
Whats crazy to me is the hair, the hair of both models seem identical from a farther view point
me coming back from vacation catching up on Kat videos, and getting jumpscared by my own tweet. 👁👄👁
If I was a Vtuber and was getting a model, I would make it public information that I was taking inspiration from someone else. But how I'll do it differently than Lola is by first; asking said inspiration if its okay and for input. Second; I'll try to make the animal influences be tied to a specific animal that's endangered and not be something common like a Dolphin vs Shylily's Orca so I could further differentiate myself down the line.
Overall, this whole situation was a bad PR stunt both created and followed by many unforgettable mistakes. However, I hope Lola eventually comes clean about the copying and chooses to make a clean slate with a new model.
Dude just the name "Smol Lola" sounds like an offbrand shylily. Like when anime turns McDonald's into WcDonalds
these sorts of apologies come off less than they are sorry for what happened, and more like they are sorry they got caught.
If she would have just admitted the model was inspired by Shylily, left it at that and did her own thing she'd still have a career in Vtubing but she took it too far. Did she not think anyone would notice? Lmfao
10:42 btw if you look at the L's, smollola also has the bow on it while shylily has her collar
Hey mom, can we have shylily?
No son, we got shylily at home!
Shylily at home:
something i havent seen anyone mention is the name. maybe a coincidence but the tv show hannah montanna the character lily's persona is LOLA !!!!! maybe a crazy coincidence but idk...
Yikes, I'm taking the first dive into using animated models in general and this is crazy 😭 I personally agree with the "too many accidents" part, and even though intention matters, the result is most often going to take up the attention. Maybe a plausible way to resolve this would be for the two creators to discuss and come to a public agreement together? No idea about what's gonna happen next because I've never seen either of them before, so I'm trying to comment with the little information that I have.
As a German I can say this is NOT a german accent lmaoo
Greetings from an artist in Germanyyy! Found this channel yesterday and am bingewatching it since ♥
thank u for making this video! i saw the drama all over my timeline but it was so chaotic tbh lol! ive had someone copy unique traits of my model and someone else even going as far as stealing my brand, but because im a smaller vtuber ppl dont care as much i think :')
From thumbnail alone I was saying no from full body models I see it now.
It was absolutely WILD seeing this go down on vtuber twitter. I made a passing comment thinking it was just silly someone would actually think they wouldn't be criticized for such obvious copying of someones homework, but then it just got worse and worse. Such a waste of an opportunity to grow as a content creator
The body shape is the same. The legs and arms look like carbon copies of each other. The accent is the same. Lola tried to copy Lily’s homework but didn’t even try to make it look like her own work.
I think it's important to find your own voice and style, so you can stand out among the sea of VTubers that are out there. Lola did herself a disservice by copying too much from someone she clearly idolized, and the way things shook out are a clear indication she did not ask for permission or anything. Things were not alright between the artists and riggers. Lily herself has chosen not to engage in drama, and to tell her fans not to attack anyone.
If it was the soft voice thing, that's something we saw a lot in female VTubers like Nyanners and Vei. The accent is just a regional thing, however Lola has made a run of excuses regarding her accent. It's the animated manner in which Lily moves, though, that Lola has copied the most distinctly, together with the voice. Honestly, Lily has spoken a few times on how much effort she has to go to to properly animate the model. If there's one thing I wish other VTubers would take from her, that's the one. You need hard work and effort, you can't just sit there and dead fish the performance.
So I hope Lola (and others) finds a voice and style that's her own, then she can strike out for success without the drama baiting and lying. The truth will always come out, and not everyone is as forgiving as Shylily.
Honestly the accent copying is kind of creepy, like if someone copied exactly how I talked I would either assume they were mocking me or being parasocial to an extreme
JFC... I said on twitter that it's disgusting that an artist would create such a rip off of Lily's model, cause there's no way you could make something that close without intentionally referencing it, but firing your artist (that you couldn't steer them that way) by finding another artist who would take over the project and make a more Lily like design... more scumbaggery.
Funny thing is, nothing in Lily's accent is a UK accent but apparently it's not a proper German accent either... I always had trouble placing it because it sounded Nordic but not quite, so finding out she's tweaked down her accent makes a lot of sense. My experience has been that what people mean when they say their accent is (legitimately) a combination is that you tend to settle a main accent when first learning to speak but if you spend enough time interacting with people in a sufficiently different accent or dialect you'll start to pick up weird quirks from them. Things like "Zee" vs "Zed", if you hear the one different from your own enough you'll start to pick it up as a social mirroring. Obviously, the older you get the less it happens and the whole thing goes out the window when dealing with other languages... here's where we get back to Lily: A German speaking English will have an accent determined by how and when they learned English, who they learned from, and how much conscious effort they've put into correcting bleed over pronunciation. It's really easy to spot how this works with people who are English/Japanese bilingual since the phonetics are different enough to bleed obviously but close enough to be corrected cleanly, where as most people taking English as a second language can't fully lose the bleed over. Lumituber is a nice example, her English fluent and correctly pronounced but there's still a trace of Finnish. Compare that to Merryweather who has an incredibly clean RP English accent to the point you wouldn't know he was Danish.
There are some comments here saying they don't care about this drama (but are bothered enough to leave a comment), claiming that Shylily's model is not even similar to hers, or directly telling people to stop talking about this drama. Given that Lola has an alleged track record of making fake Vtuber accounts to "harass" herself, and it appeared that she didn't really have that much of a huge following enough to build her own army of white knights, it makes me wonder if any of these comments were left by Lola's burner accounts.
" you disagree with me so you're an alt" tf are people supposed to do to disprove that?💀 this drama is dumb as hell and her copying isn't wrong at all, art is about taking and adding
Off topic but i love shylilys voice and accent, it sounds so calming😭
MegalodonVT looks hella similar too..
She leans more of an anthropomorphic shark than shy's sailor girl with orca cat esque body parts
@@rhaven090 Yeah, but her syluette, hair and ears are similar too.
Let's not count the tail as they are both "fishes".
She also has a lot more differences
Mom, can I watch ShyLily?
Mom: We have ShyLily at home!
The ShyLily at home:
Okay if it was just the similarities in the art style I'd give her the past but she clearly has some kind of obsession
remembering an issue of a person that intentionally betrayed and gaslit his group for a "prank" and basically saying "Sorry you feel that way" in his apology.
I read the tweet of SmolLola about she is not a victim and in the comments below she said she has autism like, wtf? (There's a comment there that one is saying her husband is has autism and pick up the accent form a california co worker and she replays that she had autism..?) D:
It makes me sad that she done all of this and involving a great Vtuber such ShyLily to this drama. Why she is doing this??? (sorry for my grammar, my english is not my first lenguage ;; )
2:04 her face
What’s crazy is that this has happened before but not just with Indy vtubers (though it has unfortunately), company vtubers have done it too. Though many times the model in question will get discontinued after receiving backlash. Oh and there’s been companies who actually repurpose their models. Some time back a male vtuber was gonna debut in a company via their English branch but he either backed out last minute due to the crazy controversy the company was getting or was kicked to the curb by management then some months or so later the company is like “Hey we got this Japanese male vtuber debuting soon, hope you like him.” and the model is the exact same as the one for the guy who never got to use it. I believe this company also did this with a female model too or it might have been another equally shady company but either way it’s happened twice to my knowledge.
Not to defend her but her not owning up to what she did could be the thing when you were in school as a child where you hadn't done your homework and just come up with excuse after excuse while digging yourself in a bigger and bigger hole while it would just have been easier to just say you forgot to do it. Pride and embarrassment is the downfall of us all XD
Good video, keep up the good work.
i dunno i remember when shylily was accused of copying veibae's accent
plus theres literally a megalodon vtuber that look like shylily as well????????????????????
12:36 "I'm not even the same animal" who's going to tell her orcas are dolphins?
If thos was just the ears and hair it could pass maybe more lamb sheep ish design could fix that and it could still be similar... but the pose, the tail like its just literally copied. Its not even a fluffy ,mermaid' but that weird back tail design too.
Free publicity is good publicity, that’s all she wants. There is no way Lola didn’t know people were going to talk about this
a copy isn't going to replace the original anyway
My main argument would be that if she really wasn't trying to copy ShyLily, she would have referenced her design to specifically check to not look like her. Like, if I was planing to be a hellhound, you can be damn sure I am not choosing brown hairs with orange streaks or red clothes as my colors
u are so right i just checked their acc and it now says "return 20th July" which is in 1/2 days, i guess i'll be seeing a new video soon xD
I covered your last video on stream today, and I agree this person deserves no sympathy.
this is like the person who tries to steal another persons life.
It’s creepy it’s gross and it’s plain out plagiarism. Also she made another new account this month!
That says copycat/Vtuber. With a dolphin and a catgirl in the banner. So needless to say she not leaving. She will be back with the same grift. In a few months.
Sorry to say but @elaravtuber dropped the ball on the interview left her to much wiggle room to lie.
Lola need to stop the grift. It’s old.
I mean... Megalodon VT also has quite similar model to Shylily, but I guess they just ignore the hate comparison and do not start any drama
At first i tought well just german accent but she is not even german and wow she sounds the same xD when i only knew about the model i could say yes its ok, on the line, but ok. Now with all that its clear that she tries to be the same as lily :'3
Idk how Vtuber stuff came up on my feed, but thanks for explaining the term graduating for this. I was lost bad. This Vtuber thing is crazy.
the problem with that design and why her comparaison saying they have more differences than similarities doesn't work is that all the differences are MINOR DETAILS apart from the color scheme while the similarities are big enough to make them indistinguishable in the case where you'd black out their silhouettes.
Wouldn’t be the first time someone copied Lily
Can't wait to see Lola Phin show up in 4-6 months when she thinks everyone has forgotten
I WAS GIVING HER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TOO UNTIL THE ACCENT??? WTF???
Even if Smollola's vtuber model can be handwaved away as ""legally distinct enough"" from Shylily's vtuber model a la Pal World to Pokemon, there's still a statement that she's making by being that derivative. That statement is "I should be measured against that whom I'm taking this much inspiration from." While Pal World has effectively got away with it by doing many things amazingly (examples include serving non-Nintendo consoles and older demographics, which were incredibly underserved), Smollola has some HUGE shoes to fill to get away with this maneuver herself.
My money's on her not surpassing Shylily's entertainment value.
Palworld and Pokemon are not at all the same. Palworld and Pokemon are in the same genre of monsters can be captured and put to use. Did you forget about Digimon? Monster Rancher? Even Nintendo low key said "We have no problem with them, just shut up already." I personally got some Monster Rancher vibes, especially the anime style from the one shot anime that came out to promote it. People who only see pokemon are anime infants. Explore the anime world much harder and better understand the tamer genre.
@@Fantastic.Elastic Digimon, Pokemon, Monster Rancher and Palworld can in fact be handwaved away as "legally distinct enough". While your point is indeed correct, it doesn't conflict with my point made above. Pokemon is in fact the gold standard that many people, whether or not they be "anime infants", compare these other franchises to. Is it unfair? Yes. Do people do it anyway? Also yes.
"I'm not a victim" correct, you are the perpetrator.
if one artist trace one hand from other artist, almost cancelled, trace all the vtuber persona = "no, Is just coincidence"
In the end she got what she wanted, the attention. And she still has that as I’m sure a lot of people are like “oh i wonder what her new model will look like” and waiting for the reveal. She has placed herself in a big spotlight in the vtuber community because of all of this. Her intentions was always this and she knew it, like it was said, any publicity is good publicity.
The thing that rubs me up the wrong way is not that lola was copying shylily. She kept bullshitting. Lies on lies. And refused to admit it.
This is the equivalent of copying an article pasting it on a doc changing the font and color and saying it’s your own original work
Yeah I've seen a couple models that look simmilar or have simmilar designs and ideas...
But that model has as many differences as the different elden ring knights, which on its own is bad. But Swom Swom vs Womp Womp? Basically copying how lily talks? That person is dancing on the line between copying and identity theft.
I used to be a big fan of ShyLily.
But then I attended my first ever stream with her. My first ever Vtuber stream in general, in fact.
It seemed nice at first. Lily was really living up to the reputation of her UA-cam clips of being a wholesome-yet-lewd Vtuber. She even called me out in the chat when South Korea came up and I mentioned I was Korean-American. It was really nice.
Then a guy dropped a political hoax involving CSA.
As a CSA survivor who came to the stream to enjoy some lewdsome relaxation, this made me deeply uncomfortable.
I tried to bring attention to Lily or any mods she had, but I was ignored. Everyone was bizarre okay with a guy suddenly dropping politics, hoaxes, and mentions of kiddy-fiddling in a lewdsome stream. I even tried mentioning it to Lily but she responed to all my messages and DMs with radio silence. She was completely okay with allowing this guy to drop political CSA hoaxes in her lewd-and-wholesome stream.
I've not been in a Vtuber's Twitch stream since.
This reminds of MrBeast's brother, remember MrBro. Where he tried to rip-off his brother, and people calls him out for it.