*THE* ROCK & METAL GENRE TIER LIST

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    My rock and metal genre tier list, ranking them all from S to F tier: metalcore, pop-punk, black metal, death metal, emo, djent, grunge, nu-metal, emo rap, midwest emo, power metal, easycore, ska, skatepunk and more!
    * Why metalcore bands like Killswitch Engage and As I Lay Dying rank higher than death metal and black metal bands
    * Why third-wave ska ranks so low, despite bands like The Bosstones and Goldfinger having commercial success
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  • @ThePunkRockMBA
    @ThePunkRockMBA  4 роки тому +48

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    • @purplepudding9144
      @purplepudding9144 4 роки тому

      You should check out What a Disaster the cuz the whole thumbnail reminds me of their sound

    • @diohandingdal9865
      @diohandingdal9865 4 роки тому +1

      You forgot groove metal 😢

    • @permafrostprod1
      @permafrostprod1 4 роки тому

      Finn, i'm not gonna say that you forgot this or this subgenre but I will say that you left out alot and in a weird fashion. It seems like you created subgenre with discussable choices to fits in and left out real sub-divisions by amalgamating bands that doesn't belong together.
      Not complaining just saying that i'm puzzled with your fragmentation off subgenres 🤣. I would probably really enjoy talking music for an entire evening with you and see how different we see a scene as two different person of the same era but from different country... anyway cheers to you man 😎

    • @Shredxcam22
      @Shredxcam22 4 роки тому

      Do a video on how john petrucci influenced so many modern guitars players with either style or his guitar the music man. Or how Mike portnoy really influenced a lot of modern metal core guys. Or dream theater as a whole.

    • @legaciestr
      @legaciestr 4 роки тому +1

      The Punk Rock MBA I fucking love your overly specific examples that go deep for no reason shits hilarious keep it up

  • @themortarman4722
    @themortarman4722 4 роки тому +1608

    “I’m putting ska in the D tier”
    *Angry horn noises*

    • @laurisaarinen1126
      @laurisaarinen1126 4 роки тому +38

      I love ska. I do understand it can sound annoying to some. Most of the stuff i like are high tho: grunge, skate punk, thrash metal, nu metal

    • @ThePunkRockMBA
      @ThePunkRockMBA  4 роки тому +247

      I have to say, I've been surprised recently to learn how brutal ska fans are. They are up there with black metal fans in terms of defensiveness (but at least they aren't also racist lol)

    • @laurisaarinen1126
      @laurisaarinen1126 4 роки тому +1

      @@ThePunkRockMBA Really? That is very surprising. Well at least i am very easy-going fella 😊

    • @2doobsmcjubes555
      @2doobsmcjubes555 4 роки тому +18

      @@ThePunkRockMBA In Cleveland at a Bouncing Souls show ska fans from the crowd essentially mugged The Flatliners into playing one of their old ska songs, which is a thing they've tried to do at every Flats show for the past 10 years XD. Now I know why they call them RUDE boys.

    • @gregdevries9811
      @gregdevries9811 4 роки тому +13

      “If I’m being honest, Easy Core belongs in the E tier” *angry friend noises*

  • @botany1629
    @botany1629 4 роки тому +334

    Puts Midwest emo on d tier
    *Sad 9/7 time signature noises*

    • @2lostbikes
      @2lostbikes 4 роки тому +31

      **Fretboard tapping intensifies**

    • @botany1629
      @botany1629 4 роки тому +17

      *taps fret board with malicious intent*

    • @SeymoreSparda
      @SeymoreSparda 4 роки тому +8

      Prog metal/Tech death/Djent/Mathcore/Jazz metal: *Puts hand on shoulder, with teary eyes aimed at the floor* "That's rough, buddy."

    • @ShotGunFellatio
      @ShotGunFellatio 4 роки тому +4

      I LOVE MIDWESTERN EMO 😭

    • @Redtee1986
      @Redtee1986 4 роки тому +3

      I love midwest emo 🙌🏻

  • @VengeAgainProduction
    @VengeAgainProduction 4 роки тому +503

    "I've never met anyone who listens to Godsmack." Well maybe if you answered my calls

    • @numetalguitarist2377
      @numetalguitarist2377 4 роки тому +34

      Bruh this guy put emo rap above "butt rock"

    • @berbafan67
      @berbafan67 4 роки тому +31

      I stand alone

    • @lombrespike09
      @lombrespike09 3 роки тому +8

      @@berbafan67 dude please Awake

    • @ultimatetrishbhatia
      @ultimatetrishbhatia 3 роки тому +4

      Lol the first godsmack song I heard is when legends rise and so far it's the only song I've liked by them.

    • @christopherregan1654
      @christopherregan1654 3 роки тому +11

      Godsmack was pretty big within the period from 1998's "Godsmack" up to 2010's "The Oracle." They had a pretty noticeable drop off in popularity during the 2010s decade, but managed to rack up some decent viewing and streaming numbers with their 2018 album "When Legends Rise."

  • @MrCk1234567890
    @MrCk1234567890 4 роки тому +599

    I don’t rly listen to thrash, but I think we can all agree that none of these metal/core genres would exist without it

    • @Broccoli75
      @Broccoli75 4 роки тому +1

      But metalcore is thrash hah

    • @MartiniScreamz
      @MartiniScreamz 3 роки тому +21

      @@Broccoli75 slowed down thrash....not being a metal snob i love both but its kinda true

    • @ambatukoom
      @ambatukoom 3 роки тому +9

      @@MartiniScreamz Yeah I feel like metalcore is just a shittier version of groove metal

    • @XX-sv3qu
      @XX-sv3qu 3 роки тому +25

      @@ambatukoom not at all

    • @ambatukoom
      @ambatukoom 3 роки тому +6

      @@XX-sv3qu Yes it is, listen to Sepultura and Pantera and tell me there aren't breakdowns like in metalcore. Only difference is metalcore ripped off Meshuggah and started using djenty breakdowns.

  • @matthewlatham8522
    @matthewlatham8522 4 роки тому +316

    The whole Power Metal/awkward Belarusian gym conversation was put in way too much detail for it to be "just a metaphor"

    • @GonzoCiosain
      @GonzoCiosain 4 роки тому +13

      You don't want to miss a second of this power metal show! That band hangs dong!

    • @k.p.bolden7329
      @k.p.bolden7329 4 роки тому +1

      Matthew Latham Bro, I was crying laughing 😂 when Finn went into FULL detail about it! I kinda lil’ horny, Man, Shit!!!! 🤯🤤 🤣🤣🤣

    • @colacp
      @colacp 3 роки тому +5

      Finn dislikes Power Metal because it makes him self-conscience about his lifts and life choices.

    • @nodnarb0185
      @nodnarb0185 3 роки тому +5

      @@colacp he takes Power Metal too seriously

    • @sunsetgr00ve78
      @sunsetgr00ve78 3 роки тому +1

      Lol, I’m from Eastern Europe (Russia) and power metal is absolutely not popular here. Russia is more thrash/nu metal and hardcore.

  • @toribiogubert7729
    @toribiogubert7729 4 роки тому +239

    Not a big thrash metal fan, but I would argue that Metallica's influence and overall sales alone are enough to put their genre on S tier. And the genre have Slayer and Megadeth who are huge bands.

    • @kareja316
      @kareja316 4 роки тому +4

      Maybe but their biggest success (Black album) it's not thrash and all their career after that isn't either

    • @connerwittig9288
      @connerwittig9288 4 роки тому +2

      Luis Berrios their newest album has a lot of thrash songs on it but the era between black album and now has little to none

    • @invaderjae
      @invaderjae 4 роки тому +1

      @@connerwittig9288 That's pretty much them "trying to get back to their roots". And personally I think it sucked. But that's me.

    • @mattf2967
      @mattf2967 4 роки тому +4

      IMO its because they realistically grew into the success they have from not sticking to the Thrash formula. If they had stuck to what they were doing on "Kill'em all" then they would probably be a Slayer or Megadeth level band. Can sellout a stadium or maybe an Arena (that's the bigger one right?) but never grabbing the attention of the mainstream.

    • @stevooo1790
      @stevooo1790 4 роки тому +2

      I 100% agree and my favorite genre is hardcore. Thrash is so influential for the hardcore scene. Punk, in general, was influential for all metal, so the real punk should be in S tier with thrash as well

  • @NateLouisDrums
    @NateLouisDrums 3 роки тому +465

    “I hate mumble rap.”
    [puts on a Pearl Jam song]

  • @CaH6633
    @CaH6633 4 роки тому +408

    Finn : "yeah so I'm putting Nu Metal in the S tier"
    I don't necessarily agree with this ranking but I have nothing but respect...for the absolute balls it takes to say that publically lol

    • @numetalguitarist2377
      @numetalguitarist2377 4 роки тому +56

      You need to have waayyy bigger balls to include emo rap anywhere higher than bottom tier

    • @CaH6633
      @CaH6633 4 роки тому +31

      @@numetalguitarist2377 if I made one of these I'd probably disregard commercial success as a factor and just put whatever I liked at the top and emo rap would undoubtedly be near it.

    • @numetalguitarist2377
      @numetalguitarist2377 4 роки тому +3

      @@CaH6633 You are trying to say you would put emo rap near the top man?

    • @CaH6633
      @CaH6633 4 роки тому +12

      @@numetalguitarist2377 emo rap would be wayyy up there.

    • @numetalguitarist2377
      @numetalguitarist2377 4 роки тому +21

      @@CaH6633 i dont think so:
      A: emo rap aint rock nor metal
      B: its generic af

  • @Dylangino
    @Dylangino 4 роки тому +454

    JUST HERE TO YELL IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE YOUR OPINION IS DIFFERENT FROM MINE, THANKS.

  • @funkygothhat
    @funkygothhat 4 роки тому +146

    me: oh cool he's gonna rank midwest emo, i love that shit
    finn: i'm going to put midwest emo in the d teir
    me: honestly fair dude, most things from the midwest are d tier in my experience

    • @carljoggerst9443
      @carljoggerst9443 4 роки тому +9

      From Midwest. Can confirm.

    • @Redtee1986
      @Redtee1986 4 роки тому +8

      Currently in Iowa.... yep

    • @chlorox01
      @chlorox01 3 роки тому +6

      As a Hoosier... yeah that's accurate.

    • @tpags7398
      @tpags7398 3 роки тому +3

      Basically in Ohio half the time, Buffalo NY the other half (basically just a rust belt city) I can confirm

    • @johnathanblackwell9960
      @johnathanblackwell9960 3 роки тому +3

      Except that corn though, that's some S tier shit

  • @americanidiot713
    @americanidiot713 4 роки тому +82

    u didn’t have to go off and roast every single genre i’ve ever loved but u did. keep up the good work

  • @rpete598
    @rpete598 4 роки тому +118

    I would have included Doom/Stoner or Groove metal categories.

    • @dreamypunx
      @dreamypunx 3 роки тому +3

      same, i'd also add on powerviolence and thrashcore. even though it breaks the rules still.

    • @robwalsh9843
      @robwalsh9843 3 роки тому +3

      A lot of stoner and doom bands are tied to the hardcore punk scenes. Most of the NOLA sludge bands started as hardcore acts.

    • @heavyfuzz9675
      @heavyfuzz9675 3 роки тому +4

      Easily S tier just on the power of amps alone.

    • @magnusfox777
      @magnusfox777 3 роки тому +1

      Those and indie Rock/ garage rock

    • @snakebite6x6x6
      @snakebite6x6x6 3 роки тому +2

      +1 for Groove metal..... Pantera was an amazing band...

  • @markchristiansen5683
    @markchristiansen5683 4 роки тому +203

    Ad before video: "How do you fit an MBA into your busy life?" Me: "I watch this channel."

  • @secondsolstice8695
    @secondsolstice8695 4 роки тому +190

    Sponsors tier-list coming next please, all the way from Gfuel to Raid Shadow Legends

    • @CH-ml4rz
      @CH-ml4rz 4 роки тому +3

      _Can we get some F’s in the tier_

    • @markwrenn5965
      @markwrenn5965 4 роки тому

      Ahahaha

    • @thebizzle413
      @thebizzle413 4 роки тому +5

      RAID SHADOW LEGENDS WITH EMO ELVES GETTING BAGGGGG. S+++ tier.

    • @midnighttrain7844
      @midnighttrain7844 4 роки тому

      square space and skillshare

    • @danielnelson4881
      @danielnelson4881 4 роки тому

      Raid shadow legends! Made by a developing company run by a chairman for the world's largest gambling lobbying group, owned by an Australian gambling company that primarily makes, you guessed it, SLOT MACHINES! Upon acquisition of the game development company the CEO gave some speech about expanding to other areas related to their business and implementing their knowledge to grow these other closely related areas or some shit basically equating to "use our knowledge of how to make slot machines that people pour money into and generate ludicrous profits.. Implement that knowledge into the mobile gaming platform which is obviously closely related to the gambling business.. Prey on little kids that we cannot reach in our target market with our slot machines.. Take their and their parents money and create Lifelong gambling addictions hopefully encouraging them to play our slots later down the line!" They tell every sponsored UA-camr EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY! How many cookie cutter raid shadow legends ads have you seen every UA-camr from a car channel, cooking channel, punk rock channel.. It doesn't matter. There's tens of thousands of these BS ads out there. THE GAME IS AWFUL! It's literally the epitomy of the absolute worst of mobile gaming.. Progress is directly linked to your credit card... You can literally put it on auto so you don't have to play the awful game until the next time you need to type your credit card number in to progress again.. At which point you think you've gotten some joy out of the game but you haven't.. You admire your shiny new character and then auto through more of the boring egregious campaign until the next time you have to stop to spend some money! It's literally the scummiest thing ever. Raid shadow legends is going in the Z tier! I hope they get what's coming to them.

  • @RandomAussieGuy87
    @RandomAussieGuy87 3 роки тому +34

    " I do like Linkin Park though" *plays One Step Closer*
    I like you even more now, Finn.

    • @yew8707
      @yew8707 Рік тому +1

      The absolute best on Hybrid Theory

  • @matacorpse5762
    @matacorpse5762 2 роки тому +81

    Nu metal appears to be... by complete accident... my fave genre.
    50% of the genre is absolutely brilliant and still innovative. Simple riffs with super catchy riffs now with added breakdowns.
    but the other half is bland, stale and only used as a joke when someone in a UA-cam video gets angry in a comedic way.

    • @BeetleAtol
      @BeetleAtol Рік тому +2

      Agreed

    • @xigbarii8432
      @xigbarii8432 Рік тому +1

      Who would you consider stale? I love bands like Taproot, 40 Below Summer, Spineshank, Dry Kill Logic, and Earshot for the exact reasons you laid out, but many people claim bands like them "saturated" nu metal

  • @TRiToX91
    @TRiToX91 4 роки тому +72

    As someone who spent my early teens listening to almost purely power metal... I have never heard a better description of the genre.

    • @kidcarlomagno7094
      @kidcarlomagno7094 4 роки тому

      so accurate

    • @rpete598
      @rpete598 4 роки тому +9

      I love power metal. No other sub genre has a such a disproportionate skill to popularity ratio IMO.

    • @poopoogigolo
      @poopoogigolo 4 роки тому +3

      I think he nailed it too. But I would even go as far as to say the foreign guy is also a huge D&D nerd on the side... since there's a huge amount of fantasy themes to the power metal genre

    • @allyabrams1193
      @allyabrams1193 Рік тому +1

      @@poopoogigolo yeah, I was about to say I love power metal! But I’m literally about to play D&D in like an hour 😂 so yeah, your point is proven lmao

  • @thirtyonefifty3133
    @thirtyonefifty3133 4 роки тому +204

    Do a "Everything That Triggers An Elitist"

  • @Arevya
    @Arevya 4 роки тому +39

    Everyone: angry that their genre didn't make it to the top... *rage*
    Me: The word "Djent" is not on line with the other ones *rage*

  • @A_V__
    @A_V__ 4 роки тому +67

    “Five dollars at the door or free admission if you buy a quesadilla”
    *Quesadilla is six dollars*

  • @kornholio543
    @kornholio543 4 роки тому +223

    No Slam on the list because no tier above “S”

  • @rskityaev
    @rskityaev 4 роки тому +166

    That thumbnail is a masterpiece

    • @GarrettsGear
      @GarrettsGear 4 роки тому +10

      Clicked INSTANTLY 😂 it worked like a charm. Then he hits us with another raid ad 😭

    • @ThePunkRockMBA
      @ThePunkRockMBA  4 роки тому +14

      😱😱😱

    • @CH-ml4rz
      @CH-ml4rz 4 роки тому

      Oh dang lol, thanks for reminding me to make another Sarge sticker for Whatsapp

    • @ondrej8599
      @ondrej8599 4 роки тому +2

      Reminds me of Morgz xd

    • @VIXXIIMCMLXXXVII
      @VIXXIIMCMLXXXVII 4 роки тому

      Fucking right!

  • @atlasfontaine
    @atlasfontaine 4 роки тому +18

    Respect to your list, especially with your placement of Nu-Metal and Grunge. Surprised to see no Industrial-Metal, Glam-Metal, and Post-Hardcore.

    • @allyabrams1193
      @allyabrams1193 Рік тому +5

      Yeah, I was waiting for these, especially post-hardcore… also, no doom metal ranking was interesting to me too

  • @lydiamacintyre3729
    @lydiamacintyre3729 4 роки тому +48

    you forgot symphonic metal, speed metal, goth rock, glam rock, prog, psychedelic rock - i know it's not meant to be a comprehensive list

    • @AngelRuiz-xq2ie
      @AngelRuiz-xq2ie 3 роки тому +4

      I would actually want a short part 2 with nothing but these six genres

    • @rotkvan
      @rotkvan 3 роки тому +2

      @@AngelRuiz-xq2ie pretty pointless since he would rate them all D or lover

    • @rotkvan
      @rotkvan 3 роки тому

      and speed metal is one of the most useless genre terms ever

    • @johnathanblackwell9960
      @johnathanblackwell9960 3 роки тому

      Ughhh prog killed Maiden so it definitely had some influence...

    • @metalrockstarizer89
      @metalrockstarizer89 3 роки тому

      @@rotkvan he would probably rate hair metal around S A or B.

  • @davisspeedshop2031
    @davisspeedshop2031 4 роки тому +345

    The only thing missing is hair metal! All the single mom's are going to be hounding you for that one. 😫😂

    • @Shotgun979
      @Shotgun979 4 роки тому +12

      And my Dad LOL

    • @johnindigo5477
      @johnindigo5477 4 роки тому +18

      Alcoholic single dads who blast hair/thrash metal and classic rock.
      My uncle introduced me to sabbath and megadeath

    • @TheSuburban15
      @TheSuburban15 4 роки тому +12

      That's not fair. Some of them are on their third marriage now.

    • @laughs2651
      @laughs2651 4 роки тому +15

      It woulda been on the S Tier: Guns n Roses,Motley Crue,Poison,Ratt,Deff Leppard,Whitesnake,Dokken etc

    • @DjVolumeUp200
      @DjVolumeUp200 4 роки тому +1

      @@laughs2651 As it should be. It's the best music genre and only goregrind comes close.

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 4 роки тому +51

    Hey man, that Power Metal description was so oddly specific, but I know a dude that's exactly like that in my gym.

  • @kw9801
    @kw9801 3 роки тому +21

    He put nu metal on the S tier! 😱😱😱
    I must have woken up in a parallel universe. The hate we got back in the day!

    • @cosmiccryptid263
      @cosmiccryptid263 3 роки тому +4

      Nu Metal was a mainstream success because there was a lot of big stars and huge hits on the genre!

    • @greatwavefan397
      @greatwavefan397 3 роки тому

      X-Tier is the Doom: Eternal OST.

  • @joshuakram
    @joshuakram 4 роки тому +29

    On the basis of Periphery alone, I would slot "Djent" (or progressive metal if you're splitting hairs) in C.
    If feel like the influence factor is a little overlooked as they haven't really influenced culture outside of music, but they have had a massive impact on music itself (production, asthetic, etc.)

    • @zkateyguy
      @zkateyguy 3 роки тому

      So true. Pretty much all of Metalcore is Djent infused by now. So the influence factor is pretty large. Also there's this splitting of Djent into different styles. Just look at the difference between Meshuggah, Vildhjarta, Modern Day Babylon, (early and current) Intervals or heck even Polyphia. Djent can be implemented in many different styles.

    • @jamesw5713
      @jamesw5713 Рік тому

      Meshuggah crush, the rest of it is lame.

  • @bryceballinger9543
    @bryceballinger9543 4 роки тому +52

    As a fan of all things Power Metal, no matter how corny the bands get, your description of it is SPOT ON.
    +5 to your Speech skill tree

  • @Jmack7861
    @Jmack7861 4 роки тому +89

    I feel like Midwest emo is underrated and belongs more In C tier to maybe even B tier

    • @VCCassidy
      @VCCassidy 4 роки тому +17

      I agree, if not only for the fact that without it, you don’t get mall-emo, sad-boy pop punk, or emo-rap (which already died like 2 years ago).

    • @Phonesex900
      @Phonesex900 4 роки тому +2

      The influence is super underrated

    • @Phonesex900
      @Phonesex900 4 роки тому

      @@VCCassidy Emo rap is still huge

    • @cprang
      @cprang 4 роки тому

      100%

    • @scummydummy
      @scummydummy 4 роки тому +1

      Mineral!

  • @rayisawesoem
    @rayisawesoem 4 роки тому +5

    Huge power metal fan and thank you for the frozen crown clip, I belly laughed during your description and thought “he’s exactly right” lol

  • @shawnjohnstone1477
    @shawnjohnstone1477 4 роки тому +19

    Well, time to ride down this rainbow on my dragon mount, wielding excalibur, seeking vengeance for this 'E' ranking for my beloved power metal.

    • @Cccharlesarnold
      @Cccharlesarnold 3 роки тому

      Do you know what band was shown when he talked about Power Metal?

    • @shawnjohnstone1477
      @shawnjohnstone1477 3 роки тому +1

      @@Cccharlesarnold Sure do. The band is Frozen Crown. That particular song is called Neverending.

    • @johnathanblackwell9960
      @johnathanblackwell9960 3 роки тому

      I'll just hop in a tank and teach them about some handsome Italians ...if you get this joke...well it says something about you, not sure what though.

  • @sonictemple2925
    @sonictemple2925 4 роки тому +47

    The only one that got me was the melo death ranking. Not just because I dig it, but because of how many metalcore bands have been influenced by it. Still to this day bands are trying to sound like At The Gates, In Flames or Soilwork.

    • @BrianRox
      @BrianRox 4 роки тому +3

      ARCH ENEMY!!!

    • @emanuelstude4912
      @emanuelstude4912 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah and i am from sweden so i wanted it to rank high. He should have included melo black metal like dissection.

    • @stoopidhaters
      @stoopidhaters 3 роки тому +1

      I love both Metalcore and Melodeath, but Finn is an idiot

    • @stoopidhaters
      @stoopidhaters 3 роки тому +2

      Early Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet for my Valentine, early Bring me the Horizon, Killswitch Engage, As I lay dying, All that remains are literally At the Gates Core. I love all of them but you can't deny the Melodeath influence especially At the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul. Even the Crabcore bands (who I also love) such as Attack Attack!, Asking Alexandria still had some At the Gates riffage.

    • @christopherregan1654
      @christopherregan1654 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, I love bands like In Flames, Arch Enemy, Children Of Bodom, Darkest Hour, and Parkway Drive.

  • @adamfinell8262
    @adamfinell8262 4 роки тому +225

    Finn: next upp djent
    *doesn't even play a clip of a real djent song but just a meme from Jared Dines*
    Me: *cries in drop xyz*

    • @asciicatface
      @asciicatface 4 роки тому +14

      it was definitely upsetting not gonna lie. yeah I get that it's been meme'd to death but at least play some AAL or something jeez

    • @RobImagines
      @RobImagines 4 роки тому +4

      Well that is when djent peaked

    • @Jaydos1470
      @Jaydos1470 4 роки тому +13

      ironically this was the only one I disagreed on, I think djent was more influential then he thinks. 90% of heavy bands nowadays were inspired by AAL, periphery, ATB etc. I reckon B category would have been more fitting

    • @rayisawesoem
      @rayisawesoem 4 роки тому

      I believe that was his intended point.

    • @joristimmermans5058
      @joristimmermans5058 4 роки тому +2

      @@Jaydos1470 I LOVE djent, have since Acle was posting 1 minute pre-TesseracT clips on the Harmony Central and Andy Sneap forums. But IMO it's over and done except for the nostalgia, just like thrash. All the stuff that can definitely be classified as "Djent" is more of a Meshuggah tribute than its own thing. Nothing new has evolved from it that is still recognisably "djent". The bands that started there are either still exactly as they were (hello Meshuggah, I still love you) or have morphed into very different sounding bands (hello Contortionist and Vola, I love you more than ever).

  • @Krisbcream1
    @Krisbcream1 4 роки тому +33

    Love the idea of this list! I'd probably put Butt Rock a spot higher since it was super mainstream and many of those bands were huge (like it or not).

    • @Xxrocknrollgod
      @Xxrocknrollgod 2 роки тому

      A E DUB

    • @KuhKronus
      @KuhKronus Рік тому

      Yeah I meant the fact that the US govt used it to get people to sign their lives away is worth something right?

  • @falcontriplets831
    @falcontriplets831 Рік тому +10

    I’ve always considered Disturbed to be nu metal in my eyes. Their first 2 albums were definitely nu metal, and their 3rd album had a little bit of nu metal elements in it, but that’s when they started to change their sound.

  • @breadtilian
    @breadtilian 4 роки тому +60

    Butt rock deserves a higher spot due to commercial success

    • @Antonjlavey
      @Antonjlavey 4 роки тому +4

      Your right but why do they call it butt metal?

    • @Ifheavenwashell
      @Ifheavenwashell 4 роки тому

      @@Antonjlavey It's because it's very basic music, not much to it, and also because a lot of the music really isn't very good

    • @arpitdas4263
      @arpitdas4263 4 роки тому +3

      @@Antonjlavey because it's ass

    • @caligirl4424
      @caligirl4424 4 роки тому +1

      Totally agree. I would probably B tier it. Maybe C tier at the lowest.

    • @numetalguitarist2377
      @numetalguitarist2377 4 роки тому +3

      @@arpitdas4263 still way better than than p**** emo rap with face tats

  • @wwesuperhardyDX
    @wwesuperhardyDX 4 роки тому +80

    I'm glad he didn't include prog metal so I didn't have to see him place that super low on the list

    • @ProgJester
      @ProgJester 4 роки тому

      ahah same
      Athough I love me some prog, but prog-metal would've probably been C or even D in my list - it's not super-influental, it never sold well and I'm not a fan of metal side of it/metal in general

    • @Joshua-ww1fz
      @Joshua-ww1fz 4 роки тому +1

      My gentle heart couldn’t bear it

    • @nisinduperera7130
      @nisinduperera7130 4 роки тому +3

      I'm a huge fan of "progressive-ness" in music
      Opeth is my favorite metal band rn
      That being said, I think "prog" in general is "music-theory-wankery" for me and most of the bands are not even progressive as Metallica imo

    • @tutmosislll9063
      @tutmosislll9063 4 роки тому +2

      I'm also very glad he didn't rank Folk Punk cause I love it but I guess he would have to invent an even lower rank than the lowest

    • @matthewdevon1923
      @matthewdevon1923 4 роки тому

      Prog Metal is for desk bangers and virgins

  • @ItsJustJessOkay
    @ItsJustJessOkay 4 роки тому +4

    I'm not a metal fan by any means...in fact, other than ska and TRL core, i probably couldn't recognize one genre from the next...but, wow, your descriptions of the music these genres play drew me in and now im binge watching your videos. Awesome job, man.

  • @RovPrivyTube
    @RovPrivyTube 4 роки тому +6

    “I’m putting butt rock at D” man that was a shot to the heart. I agree but damn, that still hurt.

  • @VolkmasterBlood
    @VolkmasterBlood 4 роки тому +44

    Me: Sees ska in the D-tier *ANGER*
    Me: Hears explanation "fair enough"

    • @alejandroramirez4470
      @alejandroramirez4470 4 роки тому +5

      I think considering that plenty musicians in ska play really well they should get more credit.

    • @johnathanbemister22
      @johnathanbemister22 4 роки тому +2

      And he didnt even Mention sublime ;(

    • @Phonesex900
      @Phonesex900 4 роки тому

      The commercially successful ska bands were atrocious but there are probably like maybe 20 great ska bands... I honestly wouldn't stretch much further than that.

    • @gregorysteffensen3279
      @gregorysteffensen3279 4 роки тому

      The only bit I feel was unfair was the "no new stuff" line - there's a lot of good new ska from the last decade! It just kinda gets ignored by most

  • @krystalalien3344
    @krystalalien3344 4 роки тому +216

    Nu Metal is in S-Tier list
    Me as a nu metal fan: KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN

  • @MilitantMe
    @MilitantMe 4 роки тому +1

    Dude, love that you made this one interactive with the toer template. Genius.

  • @jimminy8918
    @jimminy8918 4 роки тому +6

    Some of my favourite bands are like I, Prevail, Falling in Reverse, Eskimo Callboy, Fame on Fire and Wage War, which I consider 'post-hardcore'. Do you think that's just an umbrella term for genres like Metalcore? I get so confused with the amount of subgenres.

    • @benwise9081
      @benwise9081 2 роки тому

      Post hardcore has been an umbrella term since the early 80s.

    • @jeux2322
      @jeux2322 2 роки тому

      most of those bands are metalcore besides maybe fir.

  • @a-dashof-pepper4710
    @a-dashof-pepper4710 4 роки тому +39

    Why isn't blackened-death-epic-sanctimony-core in here!? How are me and the other 2 guys in the fan club supposed to get through the day!? That's it! Ima tweet about this!

    • @k.p.bolden7329
      @k.p.bolden7329 4 роки тому +2

      A-Dash Of-Pepper 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿

    • @k.p.bolden7329
      @k.p.bolden7329 4 роки тому +2

      That’s a good one, Broseph!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

  • @grief_hammer
    @grief_hammer 4 роки тому +9

    When I saw Last Days Of Humanity, the vocalist just kind of sat on the stage looking like he was going to cry, there was bad feedback, and the vocal fx pedal (which was setup centre-stage) kept turning itself off mid-gurgle.
    10/10 show overall.

  • @ATIRZI
    @ATIRZI 4 роки тому +34

    that's not even 5% out of all the metal and punk genres.

    • @theguy4361
      @theguy4361 4 роки тому +5

      Can you quote were he pretended listing every rock and metal genre ?
      He is just doing a tier list for the one he talk the most about on his channel

    • @markjames8664
      @markjames8664 3 роки тому

      There's also bands that are hard to pin down to a subgenre, but of course there's no way to rank that.

  • @jonahwhitney5455
    @jonahwhitney5455 4 роки тому +43

    So many sub genres. I’m glad you’re here to sort it out. Now do a bands tier list for each of these genres listed here haha.

  • @hippieghostmyke9596
    @hippieghostmyke9596 4 роки тому +24

    Feel like Easy Core could’ve been one letter higher based off A Day To Remember alone lol

    • @GrayWoIf
      @GrayWoIf 4 роки тому +2

      I thought about it but 1 band can't hold the entire genre on it's back and outside of them easy core isn't exactly a headline act

  • @pyromaniarules
    @pyromaniarules 4 роки тому +6

    it never fails to amaze me when i watch one of these videos from finn and his tastes are like the opposite of mine nearly 80% of the time. i personally only like one genre from the s and a tiers and im kinda glad he left out prog metal which i adore because knowing him it would be near the bottom even though it would do well on nearly all criteria which is the same for several genres he made too low on the list.

  • @preciousakpata5260
    @preciousakpata5260 4 роки тому

    I'm definitely in that group of people that weirdly missed notifications for the last few weeks. Sucks big time, but I'm glad I searched for your channel and came across all you new (relatively) videos that I missed.
    Epic chart btw.

  • @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125
    @quentinbringthenumetalchil5125 4 роки тому +56

    Already knew that Nu metal was going to be an S - tier ranking due to how immensely popular and influential that genre was.

    • @starrycat6185
      @starrycat6185 4 роки тому +19

      Nu Metal was the groundwork for all modern metal, without it we would have no downtuned guitars.

    • @mackenziehunter1755
      @mackenziehunter1755 4 роки тому +6

      Luke Cowley so true. Like Korn is without a doubt one of the main, if not THE influence for extended range guitars in modern metal

    • @zombiedanceprod
      @zombiedanceprod 4 роки тому +1

      Just watched a limp Bizkit live show from a few years ago on UA-cam and that shit still gets me going

    • @MelomanoAdicto
      @MelomanoAdicto 4 роки тому

      Right!

    • @stickinsstick8656
      @stickinsstick8656 4 роки тому +1

      Luke Cowley so Crowbar / Sleep didn’t play downtune ??

  • @dead_beatbunny
    @dead_beatbunny 4 роки тому +33

    I unapologetically love mall screamo. Side note: Hesher includes the most underrated performances from both Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Natalie Portman.

  • @alexperez3651
    @alexperez3651 2 роки тому

    Your humor really shines in this vid!

  • @giocres7523
    @giocres7523 4 роки тому

    Great vid as always! 🤘🏻

  • @chuckjamesnorris5928
    @chuckjamesnorris5928 4 роки тому +55

    Thumbs up for the grunge vocal impression

    • @user-up6kb2kj1j
      @user-up6kb2kj1j 4 роки тому

      Would've been a lot harder if he tried to impersonate Cornell.

    • @anubisanarchy5710
      @anubisanarchy5710 4 роки тому

      Eddie Vedder watch out, Finn is right behind you.

  • @ethancalhoun8907
    @ethancalhoun8907 4 роки тому +69

    Bro idk why crabcore made it on b tier, seems like a way more obscure genre than “real punk”

    • @bengreenbank
      @bengreenbank 4 роки тому +20

      Yeah that’s dumb. The Clash, The sex pistols, DK etc.. are massively influential and sold millions of records.
      Most people in the scene don’t even know what crab core is

    • @MrJordwalk
      @MrJordwalk 4 роки тому +11

      @@bengreenbank
      Crabcore isn't even an actual genre, but a term that was coined to make fun of that dorky trend in Metalcore.

    • @ChrisCoignet
      @ChrisCoignet 4 роки тому +7

      because it really wasn't that obscure it was actually massive. Like it or not it was hugely popular, even though it may have been a dorky trend yes, and even though it was a relatively short trend too (2009 to at the LATEST 2014), when it was here it was HUGE. By 2011-2012 it seemed like almost the entirety of the Warped Tour was nothing but crabcore bands.

    • @Damonf888
      @Damonf888 4 роки тому +4

      @@ChrisCoignet still nuts to say a meme was more influential than.. actual punk. that's like saying gangnam style was more influential than sergeant peppers

    • @khalidstetkevych9838
      @khalidstetkevych9838 3 роки тому

      @@ChrisCoignet It came and went in a blink of the eye. I made a crabcore joke to my girlfriend (who like hardcore-ish music around that time) and she had never even heard of it.

  • @WolfFeX
    @WolfFeX 4 роки тому +6

    Think you forgot Hair Metal (Posion, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi) , Hard Rock (ACDC, Aerosmith, Van Halen) and Classis Metal (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest). All of them on the S tier for sure, they still sell out stadiums and arenas worldwide

  • @darcybergen7508
    @darcybergen7508 4 роки тому

    You're description of power metal reaffirms my enjoyment of it. Muscular east European dude approaching me in the locker room? Sounds great!

  • @Lucols4
    @Lucols4 4 роки тому +18

    Those were some extremely specific analogies lol

  • @mattthebobcat2674
    @mattthebobcat2674 4 роки тому +23

    “Five dollars at the door or free admission if you buy a quesadilla” 😂

    • @pong86r
      @pong86r 4 роки тому

      i would go to that show!

  • @luisavilez7321
    @luisavilez7321 3 роки тому +1

    Where do Glassjaw, At The Drive In, Poison The Well fall?
    I thought they were post Hardcore...
    With that, do you put Deftones in the same category?

  • @Transdusk
    @Transdusk 4 роки тому

    The fact that you included footage of both Mustard Plug and a band playing at Ralph's in Worcester, MA (during the Nu school OSDM part) makes this my favorite video you've done.
    Also, the list is solid as hell and i can't really contend much of it. Though I look forward to seeing how my own tier list shakes out.

  • @emaheiwa8174
    @emaheiwa8174 4 роки тому +25

    Hi Finn we are still waiting for the Thrice video. Nobody could make it better than you.. Or a podcast.. give us something lol. Stay safe

  • @dannorris642
    @dannorris642 4 роки тому +16

    No mention of post-punk? Sure, it's old folks music, at this point, but it's super-influencial and still culturally relevant. Remember all those alt-rock, buzz bands from the early 2000s that totally aped Gang of Four and Joy Division? Plus, I hear a lot of Robert Smith in many emo/pop-punk vocalists and even the emo rappers. And I think Hot Topic will always seem to have Smiths, Cure, or JD represented on their t-shirt racks. It's at least a B tier.

    • @musicallystoned7489
      @musicallystoned7489 4 роки тому +1

      Most of the Post-Punk Revivalists came from the 2000s UK Indie scene, mainly raved upon by the NME. The Libertines, Maximo Park, The Vaccines, The Futureheads, The Rakes, The Cribs, etc. A bit of a far cry to the bands featured on this video.

  • @Cassify06
    @Cassify06 Рік тому +5

    Power Metal is at least an A+ tier. Its a very well crafted kind of music and its very popular among the metal community. And very easy for a non metalhead to like It , cause of catchy chorus, riffs and melodies.

  • @benhoskin8562
    @benhoskin8562 4 роки тому

    Absolutely nailed it bro! Interested to know where you would put like new school hardcore (Knocked Loose/ Code Orange/ Jesus Piece etc) ??

  • @zoinks_9154
    @zoinks_9154 4 роки тому +18

    The thumbnail gives me life force. Then that intro was the right level of wtf to get me hooked. Reminds me of a jojo intro

  • @butHomeisNowhere___
    @butHomeisNowhere___ 4 роки тому +11

    Although you're hating on my boy Power Metal, I really appreciate your work, man. You seem super genuine and that's super rare these days. ALSO, I swear to god we lived the exact same life, judging by some of the things you say haha

  • @giselle8153
    @giselle8153 3 роки тому

    I absolutely love grunge and was super happy to see it here! I would love to see you mention it in more videos, too. (:

  • @anyal1987
    @anyal1987 4 роки тому +2

    Never thought I’d live during a time where dungeon synth is... known? Lol I love it and I love your channel. Kill me with the melodeath placement. Saved it with the grunge placement. Please do a riot grrrl history!!

  • @WishAtElevenEleven
    @WishAtElevenEleven 4 роки тому +12

    As an occasional attendee of “red state rock festivals” even though I live in California, I can say that there are a LOT of disturbed, godsmack, five finger death punch, and shinedown fans out there (especially shinedown), including me.

    • @carljoggerst9443
      @carljoggerst9443 4 роки тому

      It strangely hurts to see Shinedown knocked down a peg but this shit keeps me humble.

  • @nathanglennie
    @nathanglennie 4 роки тому +53

    Feel like you missed post hardcore but other than that it’s a pretty accurate list

    • @ChrisCoignet
      @ChrisCoignet 4 роки тому +12

      "Mall Screamo" isn't an actual genre, so post-hardcore is rolled into what he was referring to as mall screamo along with all the other music from this same era (2001-2008) that was more pop-punk and/or alt-rock adjacent

    • @stoopidhaters
      @stoopidhaters 3 роки тому

      @DansWarped This is the waaaa-aaa!

  • @joelsalminen5309
    @joelsalminen5309 3 роки тому +4

    Being a bit of an old-school punk enjoyer kinda guy myself, I know for sure my list would look very different indeed.
    Perhaps I should make my own list with my criteria without worrying about staying objective.
    I truly appreciate your attitude about making this list and encouraging the viewer to disagree.

  • @ivanuchashiysa
    @ivanuchashiysa 4 роки тому

    That casual background and look of your is so much better imho

  • @meatbimbo
    @meatbimbo 4 роки тому +18

    I’m here for the intersection between memes and metal

  • @dexterhatchet3529
    @dexterhatchet3529 4 роки тому +29

    upcoming video:
    "How Nirvana changed Rock over night"
    thx!

  • @Sp00pyEevee
    @Sp00pyEevee 4 роки тому +9

    I was upset when Linkin Park popped up, but you really saved yourself there haha

  • @livinlareve
    @livinlareve 3 роки тому

    This was helpful! I’m curious how you’d categorize goth rock and/or symphonic metal.

    • @Hy-jg8ow
      @Hy-jg8ow 3 роки тому +1

      Probably the same as power metal, especially that symphonic metal has a lot of common musically with power metal, and he hates pure metal and classical stuff.

  • @Cednation
    @Cednation 4 роки тому +7

    I love how at 13:42 its a scene from Ace ventura

  • @Glaamdring
    @Glaamdring 4 роки тому +8

    The "example" track that was playing during the deathcore segment (at 15:41) is "Unanswered" by Suicide Silence.
    _Also,_ that style of singing (described at 16:51) commonly found in grunge, post-grunge, butt rock, etc.-popularized by singers like Eddie Vedder, Gavin Rossdale, and so forth is actually called *"yarling".*

    • @wardaddy6108
      @wardaddy6108 4 роки тому

      Came to the comments just for that song, bless you

    • @Perceptified
      @Perceptified 3 роки тому +1

      Any time I hear "yarling" only thing I can think of is this... ua-cam.com/video/YPwFuCL33I8/v-deo.html

    • @allyabrams1193
      @allyabrams1193 Рік тому

      @@Perceptified thank you for this 😁😂

    • @Perceptified
      @Perceptified Рік тому +1

      @@allyabrams1193 one has to be aware that terms change definitions over time, after all ;)

    • @allyabrams1193
      @allyabrams1193 Рік тому

      @@Perceptified hahaha yes, I learned something very important today! :)

  • @DanielMontgomery256
    @DanielMontgomery256 4 роки тому

    Finn, you are killing it! My PRMBA long sleeve T-shirt came in and it feels like my first Pantera shirt! Thank you for putting this content and history out there!

  • @KuzzenFeralFerret
    @KuzzenFeralFerret 4 роки тому +2

    All these emo-rap ideas you have really hit home as I still dress very much like how you discribe and working on my two content and even have a emo-rap style track with screams/growls comeing out tomorrow on UA-cam...

  • @angbubba2
    @angbubba2 4 роки тому +9

    What band is shown during the power metal section

    • @SkaMasta097
      @SkaMasta097 4 роки тому +4

      I had to Shazam it. Frozen Crown - "Neverending"

  • @TeeheeFr0g2
    @TeeheeFr0g2 4 роки тому +32

    "Probably gonna hurt some butts here"
    Guess you could call me...
    Butt hurt.
    Nah but pretty fair I'm into that midwest emo stuff but anytime I show a friend they look at me like I killed a dog.

    • @scottb.0185
      @scottb.0185 4 роки тому +1

      You probably have, if you play it loud enough they’ll be diving under buses!👊

    • @felixftw4702
      @felixftw4702 4 роки тому

      well, american football does come off as pretty satanic
      "that's life...so social"

  • @austinfreiburger9095
    @austinfreiburger9095 4 роки тому +1

    the movie clip at 10:23 is from Stand By Me if anyone was wondering

  • @665Splatter
    @665Splatter 4 роки тому +2

    Holy shit. That is an almost perfect chart of influence and success. Tried to figure something like this out for years and got stuck on any single band that made an impact either on tthe scene or myself or a specific genre. Well, quantification is much simpler as it seams.

  • @jasonsmith7530
    @jasonsmith7530 4 роки тому +5

    I’m usually stingy with likes and comments but you’ve earned both by including footage from The Unseen in your video. My favorite band from when I was in middle school.

  • @makoseda
    @makoseda 4 роки тому +28

    I love ska. And I laughed out loud as soon as he said Macaulay Culkin

  • @xNimrod97x
    @xNimrod97x 4 роки тому

    Your description of ska has me rolling. Love it.

  • @marcusenocsson4198
    @marcusenocsson4198 2 роки тому

    I think you're spot on. Good Job

  • @SHOUTxHIxHEYxHELLO
    @SHOUTxHIxHEYxHELLO 4 роки тому +21

    S-Tier was painful to look at by the end

    • @brucenatelee
      @brucenatelee 4 роки тому +2

      Aka the most commercial genres. That's what the video is, not best or worst.

  • @pir8prod
    @pir8prod 4 роки тому +5

    I assumed the trendy X logos were inspired by outdoors/survival. Finn done learned me.

  • @neverhuman3975
    @neverhuman3975 2 роки тому

    Thank you for using a scene from Hesher to depict the thrash metal scene. That is one of my favorite movies and that is a perfect visual for the genre.

  • @mfrji2035
    @mfrji2035 2 роки тому +6

    Melodic death metal is pretty much just power metal but heavy and I love it.

    • @SlyHikari03
      @SlyHikari03 Рік тому

      True.
      It’s like 80’s Heavy Metal but more badass.

  • @willschafer5274
    @willschafer5274 4 роки тому +10

    As someone who lives near Seattle that Everett reference killed me 😂

    • @dead_beatbunny
      @dead_beatbunny 4 роки тому

      Same! My brother's band frequently plays there.

    • @danielnelson4881
      @danielnelson4881 4 роки тому +2

      I absolutely love his Washington references he throws in haha. I live in Burlington, which I think most people who live in Washington don't know where Burlington is. I'm waiting for my Burlington reference though! Even if it's a wait thats eternal!

    • @senorautomaton6072
      @senorautomaton6072 4 роки тому

      @@danielnelson4881 I live in Burlington too. Not much going on here...

  • @naomiriendeau9802
    @naomiriendeau9802 4 роки тому +5

    I can't get over how great the face is in the thumbnail... 😂😂😂

  • @Will-qe8uq
    @Will-qe8uq 4 роки тому +1

    Finn, I really wanna see some kind of analysis on why bands of mystery make such waves in the scene. Slipknot, GWAR, Ghost, Mushroomhead, Sleep Token....all these bands have severely dedicated followers yet some dont even know who the members are. Is the magic in the mask? Or is it just the simple mystery of these artists that carries the full interest. I love your analysis videos man, they are absolutely stellar. Stay metal.

  • @Arcvde
    @Arcvde 4 роки тому

    Love it. Super unbiased. Great video!