THE MOST COPIED BANDS IN ROCK & METAL! 😩 Vol 1
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2020
- Who are the most copied bands in rock & metal?? A few of my picks:
* Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne, who inspired the whole doom scene and bands like Cathedral, Trouble, and Sleep
* Architects, and the metalcore bands who copy the riff from "Doomsday"
* Ramones and the "Ramonecore" bands like Screeching Weasel, The Queers, etc
* Nofx/Bad Religion and the 90s Fat Wreck Chords/Epitaph skate punk bands who emulated them
* Meshuggah and their many djent copycats
* Title Fight's "Shed" which inspired the sadboi pop-punk/shoegaze scene like Citizen, Basement and Turnover
* Madball/Agnostic Front, Saosin, Dillinger Escape Plan, Deadguy/Rorschach and more!
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What about Discharge tho? 🤨
Could you please make a how System of a down got so popular video
Hard to draw the line between imitation and inspiration. Some of the examples below are inspiration rather than imitation.
Killswitch Engage and At the Gates. Pretty much the entire metalcore genre is based off them.
Metallica - countless hard rock, metal and thrash acts copied them. Avenged sevenfold, Trivium etc.
Korn - in nu-metal - so many copy cats and lesser imitators.
Nirvana - grunge and alternative. Bush, Seether - all sound very much like them amongst countless other bands
The Gathering - pretty much the entire symphonic metal with female vocals is based off them
You can add agreement saying that you will not sell anyone's info and that the person signing up doesn't argee they don't want there info sold
Kinda surprised you didn’t get into the whole LED Zeppelin and Greta Van Fleet thing
“Musically cosplaying” sounds more elegant than saying ripping off. You’re the best, Finn!
Every OSDM revival band 😂
VICARIOUSLY EMBARRASSED 😂
You can polish a turd. Paint it give it a tan. At the end of the day it's still a turd. Call it whatever if it makes you feel better.
Sounds less guilty
A lot of bands copied Limp Bizkit and Korn after they blew up
Korn specifically
Who are direct descendants of Faith No More
@@YoungDoug13 and Rage and RHCP. They were far from a direct rip off of either and came out of the gate with something fairly original for 'metal' (hilariously they considered themselves more of a 'funk' band)
@@funoolesbian4225 I don't know if Chili Peppers and Rage count as metal. Rage is more or less Rap Punk and Chili are just a Funk Rock band
Yep, it was mind-blowing the amount of bands that jumped in the nu metal band wagon. My favorite limp bizkit "rip-off" band OUTSIDE the nu metal era is Steeld.
“You wouldn’t download a riff, would you?” needs to be on your merch!
Blink has to be one of them. Basically every pop punk and Emo rap act ever mentions them as their influence. So many bands tried to sound like them and Tom's voice was emulated so much in Emo music.
Their early stuff sounds exactly like nofx
@@oxypill more of nofx's 90's shit is original
"While we all have lots of bands who influence still we all rip off Meshuggah"- Devin Townsend
9 years aheada Finn, pssh
Ripping off requires direct groove/notational replication.
Tonal similarity does not count.
@@atthecore4560 so like when Machine Head dropped a track a couple years back with the same riff as "Love" by Strapping Young Lad (yet claimed they'd never heard the song)?
Tbh I'm just trying to bump this comment so Finn finally acknowledges Devy
@@SadieScarlett Assume they didn't know...
...oops!
Regardless, yes. Notation structure isn't how you rip an artist off; representation is.
"we're influenced by so many artists all the way from Architects to Bring Me The Horizon"
That is brilliant 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Now that is what I call true eclecticism!!
Or if you’re a Nü Metalcore band...
“We’re influenced by so many artist all the way from Linkin Park/Breaking Benjamin to My Ticket Home.”
This
@@psychedoutmike5957 100% tallah is the only exception though because they are directly influenced by every numetal band but are way better than all of them 😂
Was pleasantly surprised when you mentioned Bones. He's got a dedicated fanbase, but overall a lot of people don't realize how influential he really was to a lot of big names today. Even spawning stuff like scream rap like you mentioned.
Facts bro SESH
So, the Screeching Weasel and Queers cover albums are part of an extended series, still going on to this day, wherein Ramonescore (and Ramonescore-adjacent) bands take turns covering the entire Ramones discography. There are 12 so far, and have been released more-or-less in parallel chronology to the Ramones releases. There's a few Ramones albums to go whenever some other bands get around to it. For the record, here's the releases: Screeching Weasel (1993)-Ramones (1976), The Queers (1994)-Rocket to Russia (1977), The Vindictives (1994)-Leave Home (1977), Boris the Sprinkler (1996)- End of the Century (1980), Parasites (1997)-It's Alive (1979), The Mr. T Experience-Road to Ruin (1978), Beatnik Termites (1998)-Pleasant Dreams (1981), Jon Cougar Concentration Camp (1998)-Too Tough to Die (1984), The McRackins (2000)-Too Tough to Die (1984) (again), The Tip Toppers (2004)-Subterranean Jungle (1983), The Kobanes (2011)- Halfway to Sanity (1987), The New Rochelles (2019)-Animal Boy (1986). Both Shonen Knife and the Huntingtons have also released full-length albums of Ramones covers, although in their cases, they didn't restrict themselves to doing only songs from one album.
Alternative title: Trickle Down Riff-onomics
LMAOOOOO
Brooo, nice. Lol
It creates jobs
"isnt that the band that wants to be bad religion really bad?"
corey taylor on nofx, 2002
is this a crossover inside the PRMBA-verse?????
Who would want to be Bad Religion in the first place
They made a point to NOT be Bad Religion.
NoFX is good, Bad Religion is better
@@mousetouse Anybody? Because Bad Religion rules?
Loved the range of genres covered here, great video!
Misery Signals pioneered the melodic equivalent of the "Scronky" riff that was copied by The Ghost Inside, For the Fallen Dreams, Counterparts ect
the fact you brought up bones is a testament to your musical knowledge. definitely took some pages out of the metal book and made it popular in the underground world of internet rap. legend
Well, doomsday is Tom Searle's last riff so I'm just glad for its legacy.
Loving the opening effects, Finn!
🙏🏼
Change your bass strings dammit
@@ThePunkRockMBA bro you're forgetting about SUICIDE BOYS!!! They were the first to do screams in there rap songs. Suicide Boys are real cousins. One was more into Djing and the other was more into metal and punk. The screaming in rap started with them. Then Bone$, Xxxtentacion, Ghostmane etc.
This comment clearly used drun samples.
@@ogsirelean4448 I love $b$, but they totally bit their style from Triple Six Mafia.
Im surprised no one's mentioned that Greta Van Fleet is just Led Zeppelin.
Im surprised no one's mentioned that Greta Van Fleet is just garbage.
Everyone forgot about Wolfmother lol
@Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS Lol, well. That's also true.
@Jason Dubya-DEEZNUTS Not that t makes it better ethically, but at least they stole the sound and made it louder or, you know, more SOMETHING. Not tried to emulate an exact copy of someone.
@@AtlasCompleXtheProd Mike patton trashing wolfmother is still a classic.
Devin Townsend said it best in one of his songs: "While we all have bands who influence still, we all rip off Meshuggah" haha
Planet of the Apes! Yes!
At the end of the day, we all want to be Black Sabbath
I'd play in a stoner rock band.
I wanna be Deep Purple actually
That's exactly what I thought too
nah. I stick with metalcore and djent.
I wanna be Shining
9:35 “I think bands have zero obligation to know their influences” Fucking thank you Finn, I couldn’t agree with this more. I hate this shit so much. 35 year old guys who were in the emo scene 15 years ago complaining that we “don’t know what real emo is”. Like sorry I haven’t listened to every album you’ve listened to dude. Also, when does it stop? Oh, you like music? Name the first time a caveman ever banged on a rock with a stick.
Great video dude, I hope no one ever notices how much I rip stuff off
That's when you hit 'em with the ol'
"Hey millennial, I know you were in the MCRmy, but can you name five tracks off New Order's seminal work Power Corruption and Lies or The Cure's Disintegration?"
@@TheMFYeti I pictured the millennial in a joy division shirt before i saw your comment. lol. I wanna give this 70 thumbs up
Technically, the guys that got into emo with the early-Oughts wave probably don't know what "real" emo is either. Or at least they're like me and only got into it after the fact (nothing wrong with that, btw. Sometimes you need to walk through the door to know where the back path is). They didn't grow up with bands like Fugazi, or Moss Icon, or Drive Like Jehu, or Texas is the Reason. They MAY have grown up with At the Drive-In/Sparta and Jimmy Eat World. Maybe The Promise Ring or Sunny Day Real Estate.
Basically, what I'm saying is gatekeeping is dumb, period, but it's even dumber when it's second or third wave fans doing the gatekeeping.
"Oh you like music? Name every song"
- Rudy Ayoub, circa 2019
Also, most of these genre names often drastically change over time as far as their associations go.
When I was a kid, "post hardcore" meant Fugazi, Quicksand, Shudder To Think, Burn, etc. Yes, I know that's the most Boomer of arguments, but it just shows how definitions shift and change.
“You’ve probably never heard of them” about deadguy made my day. That’s like the Black Sabbath of metallic hardcore
I got so excited when Deadguy got mentioned.
Yes an no. The bands themselves knew them. The fans of the band's? Not so much lol.
I remember bringing up deadguy an someone thought I meant deadmau5...an his favorite band was dillinger 😂
@@crowing3886 This comment made me laugh for 10 straight minutes...
Lol, I was hoping to hear about Botch, in relation to Norma Jean, then I got schooled on Deadguy instead. Officially in rotation now :)
Mathcore
I’m literally so sick of hearing the Architects riff in every Metalcore song. It’s the main reason why I pretty much prefer anything metalcore pre-2010
Couple counterpoints to the "metal doesn't borrow from other genres" point:
-NWOBHM and speed/thrash metal both borrowed heavily from punk. I wasn't alive yet but there was definitely a contest between punks and metalheads to see who could create the more intense music; metal borrowed the speed and intensity of punk, then punk borrowed metal's heaviness to create hardcore, and they kept feeding off each other.
-Sludge was technically created by hardcore dudes who heard the Melvins (watch Vice's NOLA sludge documentary) but has been accepted into the metal canon
-Folk metal (name is self-explanatory)
I thought the same thing but Finn is probably taking about current metal bands. Of course, when bands do introduce elements of other genres, they often get tagged with 'they're not metal anymore' (e.g. BMTH).
Truth about thrash borrowing from punk. James Hetfield admits that Discharge was a huge influence
That's correct. Some of the songs from Iron Maiden's first album sound a bit like punk rock.
Uhhhhh The Melvin were a HxC/Punk band before they created that Sludge/Stoner sound
The sound that other former HxC/Punk bands like EYEHATEGOD, Down & Corrosion of Conformity later took to other levels.
On point with everything else
Steve Harris maintains that he hated punk, but its clear the other people in Iron Maiden - especially Paul DiAnno and Clive Burr-were drawing from punk.
Ah, I remember when hundreds of metalcore bands started playing reheated Meshuggah riffs. I watched a guitarist I used to know go from trying to sound like August Burns Red to jumping headfirst into the “djent” craze in like a few months. Strange times.
Man... you are so right.
Yes that surely happened quite often
Can't stand Architecty djentcore
Screeching Weasel is much more than just a Ramones emulation. They were themselves emulated by most pop-punk bands from the 90's/2000's, especially their melodic and catchy lead guitar style.
FUCKING THANK YOU for saying what I was about to comment. I love Screeching Weasel and where it's obvious that there is inspiration from the Ramones, their music is much more (and some of the best punk imo).
True. More of an evolution
Awesome video. Doing one looking at the most copied bands in specific genres/scenes like hardcore punk, vegan straight edge, crust, etc could be neat.
Finn: metal is the most closed minded subgenre
*laughs in classical snobbery*
True,.... metal does borrow a lot from classical music. Without guys like Paganini, Mozart and Vivaldi, most of the entire genre wouldn’t exist.
Even more “scene” bands like Black Veil Brides blatantly rip off composers like Bach. Just look at the solo on Perfect Weapon as an example.
I think that Jazz snobs are the worse of all of the snobs.
Idk man punks can be that way , sell two records and sell out
@@Ms666slayer Classic snobs are worse.
@@andysixxlett2632 Classical music is public domain now. You don't even have to pretend. You can just use it as if it was your idea.
Finn's "I am pretentious music douche" voice is going to become his actual voice one day from doing it so much
The little laugh he does while talking is a bad habit.
Agree.im gonna unsub..hes acting like the punk police.
Pearl Jam and especially Eddie Vedder's singing style. As a teenager I was trying to copy it but as I got older and learned something about singing I realized - trying to squeeze your throat is not the way to go. The man's voice just sounds that way and that's that. I get a headache every time I hear some of those mid-90s bands' vocalists trying to sound like the guy.
Sorry to put that way, but on Brasil we kindly say "egg on mouth style sing" like everyone mimicking Eddie
Eddies voice is the opposite of squeezed. Very open and resonant.
@@Dylan_matkowsky I've heard that kind of voice referred to as "yarling". Singing from the lower jaw
same with people trying to sound like dave matthews. for one... why?
Scott stap (creed) similiar to Eddie Veder
Love watching your videos Finn! Was curious if you could do a video on deftones in the future. Their sound, cult following, longevity and impact on nu-metal I feel should get some credit. Keep up the great work Finn!
I really like wage war but it’s so fuckin funny how Finn whenever metalcore comes up he’s like these guys. 😂😂😂
Also bones is the godfather. No one did it till him. He for sure influenced alot after him.
Dude frfr bones is og in that lane
seriously. post malone lil peep xxx etc all huge fans of bones
via 36/ and other memphis rappers.
aesthetically yes 100%, but music wise 3six Mafia's old stuff was way before Bones.
@@addre113 it goes way before that too memphis was the birthplace of that style check out tommy wright
Love the Norma Jean mention. I know you’re probably referring to Bless the Matyr and O’ God, but I love how the band evolved with Cory Brandan to blend rock, math, metalcore, and like a million other things. Cory Brandon is a super rare talent and it blows my mind every time I see them live and he’s hitting both screams and sings with equal force and accuracy. I’d love a video on them (or more specifically him at this point), especially since their last 2 or 3 albums are some of their best works (yes, better than Bless the Martyr).
Producer Will Yip had a MASSIVE role in the indie/shoegaze transition of pop punk in the mid 10s. Title fight, citizen, turnover, balance and composure, tigers jaw and many others were a part of that. Even bands like Code Orange Kids shifted into a an alt rock fusion with Will Yip.
The Melvins influenced everything from grunge to doom and stoner rock. Hugely influential across multiple genres.
The Misfits had the same influence.
@@grandspringdale838 I like the misfits more but melvins were definitely more influential
They even influenced Nirvana
Judas Priest was sooo shamelessly copied for the whole "dual guitar riffs with histrionic vocals" trend that became power metal
PolarPrison Well, also Manilla Road, although I think they were also emulating early Priest but kind of had their own thing going on. But after that point…
and Maiden too. Pretty much every power metal song I’ve ever heard sounds like they mashed together every aspect of Piece of Mind and Powerslave into one 5-minute track.
Judas Priest and Iron Maiden took the twin guitars thing from Thin Lizzy. Which is far FAR better than both IMO. (thanks to Phil Lynott just being an amazing songwriter)
CroulantRoulant hot take!! I do have a soft spot for Thin Lizzy, but their best songs don’t come close to Maiden’s best material imho.
@@croulantroulant3082 ...and Thin Lizzy took twin guitar thing from Wishbone Ash and Allman Brothers Band. xd
I love this show! I also love that every video I find out about 20 artists that I’ve never heard of 😂 my tidal/Spotify library has increased 10x in the last few months. Cheers for sharing the knowledge Finn :)
More please!! I love understanding the influences of music I love! Great vid!
I love how I always learn about new bands, subcultures, or histories of music in your videos, Finn! I would suggest bands for a volume 2, but I feel like after this I don't even know half the bands that people actually copied!! Please do a part 2! My fiance and I watched this while having a great discussion on influence versus copying/stealing in art and entertainment and we agree we want to have this kind of conversation with our students this fall! So thanks for more ideas too man!!!
Going into this I’m think Bring Me, Architects, and At the Gates
My stupid brain read that as one band. Bring Me Architects At The Gates, be a pretty dope cover band
ZeroFox75 the ultimate tech-core band
The worst in me by bad omens is bring me the horizon-lite as well haha
@@tpags7398 ETID, hell yeah dude
Lucas T my favorite band
Just getting into all your videos great work bro, keep it up 👍🏼
I'm almost certain that Ghostmane ripped off Bones, then 1000 new "trap metal" artists ripped off Ghostmane.
I think Sadistik had that emo alt sound
so did Lil Peep, Peep was noted for being a huge Bones fan before he started rapping and a lot of his early music is just peep rapping on Bones Beats
Wheres bones rite now though faded of into obscurity
I still fuck with bones out of all of that lil wave that came out in 2012 hes the only one. Ghostemane and his whole image now just seems funny . Looking like a John 5 rip off from Illbiz
THANK YOU. People don’t know about Bones and he was the only one doing it for a minute
I can’t even listen to the big names of metal core because of that damn Architects riff. The mainstream bands are making the genre extremely stale because of their lack of creativity. Thank god for the starving underground.
I know hardcore bands can sound quite similar, but I do love me some arf arfs and beatdowns
The funny thing to me is that the Doomsday riff sounds like a clone of A match made in Heaven. Jokes on you, Finn! Architects ripped themselves off too lmao
@@uRaPOSER1026 Architects been shitting out the exact same album over and over since they wrote the song "These Colours Don't Run". Was a HUGE fan up until Gods, now it's just pathetic.
Name every song in Cap'n Jazz's Analphabetpolotology backwards
Party Cannon got their logo from Toys R Us. Checkmate.
Ya and where's Toys R Us now?
As usual. Great, very informative and insightful videos.
Curious that I have not seen you cover anything about Sepultura. Maybe you hav them embedded in another video?
Great video, Finn! I only heard of Title Fight last year in one of your vids and just love them now. The best part of the above vid was your explanation of their transition of styles. The early 2010s are musical blindspot for me and The Punk Rock MBA is helping me catch up on some good stuff I missed.
I remember Necrophagist's 2 albums launching all those tech death bands.
I would argue it's Death/Atheist/Cryptopsy/Cynic that really launched all those bands. Certainly, with the current wave of tech death (bands like Psycroptic, Obscura, Rivers of Nihil, etc.), it's those influences you hear the most. Except Revocation, who have more a technical death-thrash thing going on (meaning I guess their closest point of comparison is Pestilence?), and Archspire, who are doing something I don't think can compare to any band right now. Those guys are redefining what it means to be tech death. Especially that singer. He sounds like if you took all the "rap" parts/jackhammer parts of Phil Bozeman's delivery, then turned it up to 11! I don't know how the fuck that dude is doing that shit that fast!
i makr my kids listen to stabwound once a day
To be fair to Car Bomb, while the meshuggah influence is undeniable, out of all the bands that rip them off they're at least running with it and doing something distinct lol. They're like dillinger escape plan meets meshuggah
Car Bomb is amazing. Never heard anyone play with time signatures and tempo changes like them. They were incredible when I saw them opening for Animals As Leaders
I agree plus I like their laser sounds.
Car Bomb definitely have their own sauce. Perfectly mixing djent with mathcore.
Car Bomb are the perfect example of doing the Meshuggah thing without being a ripoff.
@@Ninjamanhammer 100% agree
I love the channel!
Have you thought about doing a video on comedic metal? (Psychostick, SteelPanther etc?)
Man, I have so much respect for this channel. You keep mostly in the middle on a lot of topics and you’re actually knowledgeable instead of just some dude on UA-cam ranting. Love it!
Feel like Attack Attack should be on this list. They sparked a whole genre of copycats 😆
I think the reason he didn’t include them here is cuz he did a whole video on them
Pedro Betancourt Yeah true thats fair
Pedro Betancourt Also cause attack attack copied enter shikari.
Trivium Fans 2 Thats a stretch. I love both bands but besides the fact they both use electronic music with hardcore doesn’t mean they copied them. They don’t really sound alike at all
Sean McCadden I agree with you, they are very different from one another
I haven’t heard anyone talk about Saosin being the start of that sound since like 2003 but holy crap you’re totally right!
They're literally the worst band on the planet.
Love your channel helps me pass time when I'm working and weirdly calms me down and makes me feel better when I'm depressed I appreciate you
Make this a series! Thanks for ur work on these!
Your ”belgian” accent was the best part of the vid 😂 Also, the melodic death metal thing was interesting to hear as a Gothenburg native. When I first heard bands like August Burns Red and As I Lay Dying, my first thought was ”Hey, this kinda sounds like In Flames, awesome!”. 🙂
i got a fucking ptsd cause that is basically how most of people in Antwerp speak fuking english, but yea it was on point
but damn hearing radom Belgian band kicked me in the nuts cause there are some really good bands here who arent ripping off
Love your videos, always loved metal, hardcore, and all that. Never had much of a scene where I'm from and my friend group. Interesting to hear your takes on how people can connect and enjoy things together. Your videos make me want to branch out, slap a vocal cover and find a band. Thanks man
Thank you!
@@ThePunkRockMBA you're good shit bud. You make/help me to feel that I'm not the only outsider. 2010, or 2020. Appreciate you. Keep it up bud. Love from your neighbors mate 🇨🇦
I also disagree with other genres being influenced by metal more than the other way around. Many metal vocalists bring a soulful, r&b style to the table and a lot of metal , especially in the 70s and 80s was like very heavy blues. Then you have all the experimental and industrial bands and electronic elements. Not to mention the nu metal bringing funk and rap into it, plus the punk influences going back to the late 70s. And shock rock influencing artists like Manson and Rob Zombie and the aesthetics of extreme metal bands. And all the 80s bands that made poppy metal.
or black sabbath who just went ahead and played satanic doom metal songs in the late fucking 60s, 10 years before anyone else got deeper into the really heavy territories... this just fucking blows my mind everytime I think about it THE LATE 60s! fuck me 😂
plus bands like sepultura and gojira that like to integrate traditional instruments and/or tribal percussion
Dont forget the influence of jazz in prog
Me, a Stoner/Doom fan
*sees Black Sabbath on the thumbnail*
*prepares to see my favourite bands getting teared to pieces*
The best thing about Stoner/Doom bands is them embrace it. Especially Sleep
Yeah I know it was coming too.
I love it when bands rep their influences. I’ve discovered so much music this way. My introduction to Deadguy was seeing Davey Havok in one of their shirts back in the 90’s. I discovered At the Gates when I saw M. Shadows wearing their T at a show in 2003. This imo is a commendable way to go about your influences... you’re passing them on in a subtle way for others to potentially discover for themselves.
I agree! I discovered the Kardashians when I saw one of the dudes from Slayer sporting a “Karsashians” shirt!!
Also Carcass worship should be in part 2 if you do one.
I can't count how many bands try and make their own version of Symphonies Of Sickness.
Hey I'm a big fan of your videos. Please make more spotify lists for these videos. I love them! Thanks for everything!
I love the channel, it’s turned me on to so many new bands and reminded me of ones forgotten. Never heard “at the gates” before but I’m wondering what is on the guitar players stealie shirt at 9:33. We can discover the wonders of nature? Who’s face is that? I am a huge Grateful Dead fan and I appreciate the shirt I’m just wondering what it’s a reference to?
“Hey guys, you heard that one chorus from that one metal band? Lets do that.” Every buttcore/metal core band in existence.
There’s a lot of disdain for metalcore butt most to the outsiders of each respective genre every genre has their sound a likes. blues, country, jazz, reggae ska, hardcore, thrash, power metal, grunge, post grunge the list could go on
But why is it that metalcore faces the brunt of all this disdain.
Side note I bet that a lot of metalcore haters usually have no problem with eating the same fast food over and over again. Just let people live
Thanh Hua Have you seen the Punk Rock MBA’s video on Nu Metal coming back in today’s metalcore? He shows about 5 different songs and the chorus’s sound almost the exact same. He also talks about how image is almost the exact same across all bands of those genres. Music videos also look almost the exact same. Have you really listened to metalcore in the past 3 years? I’m not saying that metalcore’s bad, I’m just saying it’s stale and overdone.
Lane McDonough I’m not here to disagree with you but there’s so much disdain when people bring it up about metalcore. But when I watch guitar pedal demoes if always the same style of riff and licks. Every genre has its sheep
@@thanhhua7684 Personally, I'm fine with metalcore and everyone does use the same pentatonic blues licks for gear reviews. I'm just saying 95% of the choruses in new metalcore music inherently sound the same.
Lane McDonough you’re not wrong. But to the outsider all classical sounds the same, all trap sounds the same, all country sounds the same
Can we geta proto metal/ proto punk/ 60's garage breakdown?
That's probably just Boomer Music in this guy's scene kid mentality.
Nitpick incoming:
Didn't Saosin kinda copy The Used? Growing up, I was sure that The Used was changing the landscape but you seemed to credit it to Saosin who was nearly a decade later iirc.
Love your videos by the way! You're a walking punk encyclopedia and an absolute genius.
Awesome video. Do you ever make music video playlists based on your videos?
Only thing I'm dropping on my 7 string is the tuning!!!!!!!!!!
Bad Religion and NOFX are my absolute favorite Bands. I couldn't stop laughing about the thought of Greg Graffin with a pink Mohawk. Loved your idea for the cover art of a NOFX styled Bad Religion Album. ^^
They're also my favourite bands and I love the idea of Bad Religion doing a toilet humour album.
also two of my faves
Litterly just got nofx and bad religion logos tattoos next to each other on my arm!
I remember reading a review of Hevy Fest, and when it came to Meshuggah, the reviewer wrote something like: "As day turns to night, technical behemoths, Meshuggah, dawn the stage to show their imitators how it's done..." Which young me thought was just so badass, and i still do, but more importantly it made me hyper aware of how many imitations there were at the time 😐
I’m glad I found a video of yours where you bring up Bones
I think Bones is kinda like you said how “6 years is an eternity in SoundCloud underground rap”. But also because he does embody that Metal attitude I guess where he’s fine with being underground and doesn’t want to be super famous or “sell out”. I remember like maybe a year or two ago, I think there was rumors of him going to be an XXL Freshman and then he like tweeted at them to F off. Dude constantly releases stuff, and Sesh stuff is always sold out but yeah not too many people talk about him that much.
Sometimes when Finn uses the funny face filter I can't help but see him like that forever. Great video man I dig it.
I would definitely love to see more of these videos! Thanks Finn!
Old in flames. A whole generation copied them.
Dark Tranquillity, At the Gates and In Flames influenced so many bands with their Gothenburg sound.
This is actually what happens in graphic design as well. There is one man that said it best:
"Good designers copy, great designers steal" (Pablo Picasso)
Seems pretty appropriate for your video as well ;)
Some artists that come to mind that I could see in this conversation: Pearl Jam, Tool, Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, Jawbreaker/Hot Water Music (for the gritty gravelly voice punk) T-Pain, Soulja Boy, Korn. Hope to see a Part 2!
Hot Water Music has a lot more in common with Leatherface. Their vocalist is essentially the american Frankie Stubbs.
@@chuckb11 I've actually never heard Leatherface. I've seen their name around but never really given them a chance. Would you recommend them?
DAN THE RULER Definitely check out Leatherface. Their album Mush is excellent!
@AJ Soprano Soulfly (and Sepultura's Roots album that started that sound) were very much influenced by Korn's production. Ross Robinson produced all three, plus Fear Factory (his first credit), Limp Bizkit, Glassjaw, Cold, Machine Head, Slipknot, At The Drive In, Amen, and even Vanilla Ice's NuMetal album, lol. Talk about influence...
AJ Soprano JESUS CHRIST DAD
It's awesome to see Deadguy getting some love from someone with a platform as big as yours. Probably the most criminally underrated and influential band that nobody has ever heard of.
Pleeeeease do a part two. The links to newer bands from older bands is insane and interesting
Watching this kinda makes me nostalgic about that time you are just starting out in bands like 11-12 years old and you play sooo many covers of Blink, Fall out boy, My Chem or maybe if you were a scene kid it was Underoath or Enter Shikari. Then eventually progressing into writing your own songs that sound similar. For example I played bass in a pop-punk band and one of our first songs had that b, F sharp, G sharp, E chord progression (Always - Bowling for soup and Dammit) and another had that A F C G chord progression (The Hell Song etc), then the double time final chorus and sounded fairly similar. Then I played drums in a screamo band and we had the 1 guitar-1bass-1drums-1 synth with simple 1-string riffs just like enter shikari when we wrote our own songs. Released an EP and it did pretty well and had a good following. But everyone called us Enter Shikari as a joke. We'd be like 'we are playing a gig today' and they'd be like 'Oh your band Enter Shikari is playing?'
Think this is the 5th or 6th video this year in which you've mentioned my weird uncle... do you know him?
That intro rules thanks for getting me into title fight and suffocation clones i can deal with lol love how you cross the whole rock metal n punk spectrum
This is a fire video was literally just thinking how At the Gates influenced metalcore so heavily I was transitioning At the Gates riffs in my heads into As I Lay Dying riffs
16:30 You could probably do a whole video of Sleeping with Sirens ripping off other bands.
Definitely talk about Bolt Thrower for part 2: so many contemporary death metal bands have jocked their sound! I suppose you could also talk about Blasphemy and the whole genre of "war metal" which has basically grown up copying them wholesale (i.e. Conqueror, Revenge, Archgoat, etc), but that's on the more obscure side of fandom.
We demand a war metal video!
Wow you mentioned Bones in this video and that makes me so happy. Dude gets absolutely no credit for inspiring today’s rappers.
Awesome videos man, really enjoy watching all of these. How bout that for the fallen dreams album changes? Rad album but completely ripped off.
Lmfao you've got a vendetta against ppl re-using the "weedly weedly" riff and I'm here for it!
THANK YOU. I got into an argument with a younger guy who insisted Dillinger Escape Plan started everything about their aesthetic. Nope. Deadguy/Rorschach is the right answer.
Deadguy was awesome. The instant I heard "Running with Scissors" on the Work Ethic ep I was hooked.
I’d insist Dazzling Killmen are a more direct influence.
Hey Finn. I'm from Michigan, been listening to Bones since 2012, we love him.
You're right about him, and the scene. Thanks for the great content.
Talk about Kyuss one of these days!
Been following you for a couple of years now. Your stuff is great! Keep it up!
Thank you!
I found out about soundcloud /because/ of Bones in 2014, there would have been no cloud rap without TeamSesh. And I would even say the revival of 98-2001 aesthetics wouldn't of caught on as quickly either- we don't hear his name as much because Bones been established
Bones definitely set a blue print out for a lot of artist today as far as the underground rap scene goes. True underground legend. Sesh
Technically lil b started cloud rap when he dropped I’m god
Trivium - “Dying in Your Arms” is a good example of Metal borrowing from Pop Punk.
What's ironic is that Matt Heafy tried to get into a pop-punk band as the singer before he was in Trivium.
Judas Priest was sooo shamelessly copied for the whole "dual guitar riffs with histrionic vocals" trend that became power metal
@@jerryben9727 Most modern power metal bands sound nothing like Judas Priest. If anything most modern pm is influenced by Helloween and Stratovarius, but even that is a stretch, because others are more like a sped up Deep Purple/Rainbow style in their kernel. Its obvious though, that you are a simple-minded hater, since this is like the 50th copy of your comment. Probably some idiot punk.
Was gonna ask you about the Converge kinda sound and scene but you mentioned stuff in this style around @17:00 covered all the bases
I think we're all influenced by everything we consume ,or expierence ,consciously or not, some people just wear it on their sleeves a bit more ,.Great vid! Awesome channel 👏
I find it HILARIOUS whenever metalheads go "we never took influence from anything, we INVENTED it all", yet the guys from Metallica and Exodus for example have specifically stated how bands like Discharge and The Exploited influenced them. Also Slayer anyone? I think the fact that they did a whole album of punk/hardcore cover songs says a lot.
Thankfully they never took up the sloppiness and two-note feature of punk. Only the speed and aggression.
What? I've never heard anyone say that. It's a commonly known thing that metal as it is today wouldn't exist without the hardcore and punk of the 70s and early 80s.
@@zeitxgeist Many subgenres of metal were barely influenced by punk, for example: progressive metal, power metal, neocalssical metal, doom metal etc. These are mostly direct descendants of 70's metal and prog rock. As for those subgenres that were influenced (thrash, death, extreme metal in general), as I stated before, they were indeed influenced but only by the speed and aggression of punk. The minimalistic, skill-shunning, simplicity of punk was never taken over.
@@Hy-jg8ow Yes but I still have yet to hear any metalhead outright deny that modern metal wouldn't really exist without it.
@@zeitxgeist Only some subgenres. Go and try to listen to Dream Theater and then tell me the punk influence you found.
So Hail the Sun is one of my favorite bands even though I’m mostly into modern punk stuff (mostly orgcore and the more indie/emo pop punk) but Donovan Melero sounds almost exactly like Anthonny Green but they also have some more innovative stuff and the fact that Donovan is not only the singer but also the drummer is hella impressive for how complex their songs can be within the confines of that genre. I feel like they’re among bands who are continuing the genre in positive ways rather than bands like SWS who are directly ripping it off and just making it more marketable.
Man... that Translating the Name EP was amazing. I still listen to it regularly.
It may not be considered "punk" but I'd love to see a video someday on Jinx Dawson and her band Coven and how they influenced so much of the rock genre.
Not too many people know of coven. Which is sad
As a dude who's stuck in stoner/doom scene for a while I can tell you one thing for sure:
We know that whole thing is Black Sabbath/Pentagram copies, it's done intentionally and we're proud of it.
Tbh, Car Bomb is probably more similar to Dillinger than Meshugguh.
Car Bomb rips
Car Bomb reminds me of Meshuggah with the weird Guitar sounds from Gojira.
@@ScatWilliams69 He didn't even display the part of the song that is note for note Bleed lol.
Car bomb is so dope, and true, yes car bomb has some djent meshuggah esc parts but mostly like you said its dillinger, hence the crazy sections and tempo time changes which wasnt really meshuggah, meshuggah isnt mathcore so. Yea they are more dillinger. However I like car bomb more than dillinger, unpopular opinion but yea.
It's because of the super low tuning. Cats that don't dig it think EVERY band with an 8-string or baritone in E1 or whatever just are aping Meshuggah. 🙄 I don't think it's a fair slant unless it's a band that is straight-up doing what Meshuggah do (From 'Nothing' onward, anyway). Is every band that tunes to standard and chugga-chuggas aping Metallica or whatever because I'm 43 and grew up in thrash era and a LOT of those bands sounded pretty fuckin' samey-samey. I switched to 8-strings back in 2007 and it wasn't long before old-heads were giving me shit even though their dumb bands all sounded like a clone of a clone of a clone of Anthrax. 👎 Oh yeah, [Car_Bomb] is awesome.
Definitely would love a part 2 to this!