I’m so glad I’m not the only one that loves being outdoors, but seems to be in a constant battle with the bugs 😂. Love your videos, thanks for all the extra effort to keep us entertained!
Hi Sandy been watching your vidioes for a while now. just an older bush man myself . just a suggestion for skidding logs a long distance in the summer is cut the log 32 inches longer than your saw log when you get to your landing cut 2 16 inch blocks of fire wood off the end that was being dragged for fire wood. that way you will get a much cleaner log on your mill . just a suggestion a good video.
Good morning Sandy. Well done.. But I think you have done it before.. hahaha. Maybe.. Making lumber is so satisfying.. You thanked that first slab of and go wow.. Even good old red pine or white pine.. Nothing like using lumber you have made.. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. Oh and I watched GP OutDoors and Gord was enjoying the Deer flies as much as you.. hahahahah Have a great week. Stay safe and always be kind Cheers
Thanks Gus. Yeah it all worked out well. I think with anything as you can imagine it just takes a bit of time and planning and usually it goes ok. Luckily this time around it was a good ending. Welp...back to the deer flies for me haha
When I saw the titled of the video, I thought you would pull it through the mill. It never occurred to me that it could be turned around. I'm impressed, good job and thank you for bringing us along.
The evolution of a sawmill purchase: I purchased a small acreage in south Alabama and I need approximately 40,000 bd ft of lumber to make improvements. I started looking at Harbor Freight sawmill reviews since I planned to buy a throw away mill that would only be used to complete my projects. One of the reviews led me to a comparison of a Woodland Mills brand. This led me to a review of the HM 122 by Lumber Jack, and his channel led me to Oregon Old Timer's channel, which led me to yours. I had already pulled the trigger on the HM122 with a single extention when I talked to an Alabama extention service agent who told me portable mills were in demand. I saw this as an opportunity to get free logs so I pulled the trigger on the Bushlander XL trailer with the 6 ft extention. I now had the HM122 mill with capability of 20 ft logs promised to ship in 6 to 12 weeks. It's been 5 weeks and it's being delivered Monday. Your channel expressing your satisfaction with Woodland Mills has been beneficial and the speedy delivery of my mill is a testimony of their customer service. If you're not getting a commission from Woodland Mills, you should be. Thanks for your honest reviews.
This was definitely a vid that I was on the edge of my seat for! Definitely some skill used on that job! Thanks for inviting us! Your vids are great! Keep swatting the flies buddy! Cheers!
@@sawingwithsandy Absolutely. If I do attempt it I’d probably try the push through option and have the tree an extra couple feet longer than milling and use a tie down at the end bunk and move the saw horses to the other end to help reduce any possibility of the milling being stressed into lifting from the weight. I’m think this would reduce the amount of levelling when spinning it around. Just thinking out loud. 😂😂😂 Actually I’d need 2 sets of saw horses to accomplish my goal. This certainly isn’t an easy task. But a great mind teaser for sure.
Just a suggestion Sandy! Buy 2 - 16 foot 4 inch angle iron and some 2 inch flat bar! You have wood make yourself a hillbilly extension! You don’t need the extension very often so the angle and flat bar will be easily stored! Wood can be recut for the next time! Not criticizing, just suggesting! Keep your bugs! Got plenty here in Misery! (Missouri)
Gordon here , I would use a battery powered saws-all to do the cutting instead of power saw ,my thoughts. Also for me to slide log I would have used a chain on the forks and put it down the log far enough to swing when forks raise up . As for the bugs drink alot of citrus fruit drinks that you make from fruit DO NOT buy them as they are sugar drinks. I do that for hunting in the woods. Cause banana make you become a feast for them. LOL. I own a Norwoods 2000 LM 20 foot log and I still need it longer sometimes . Thanks for the ride and extra ideas , keep them a coming.
You did pretty darn good with that approach. I like the sawhorses. Another way would be to “block” the log for the first cut: screw 2 2x4s onto the log, about 15° apart. Do that in 3 appropriate places down the length of the log. You could run a string to make sure everything is lined up. Run the cut, then push the log back (on the blocks), run the next part of the cut. Etcetera. Once you have the first cut down the length of the log, you have a consistent reference plane and should be able to remove the blocking. Just roll it and cut-push-cut. You can make very long cants this way, as long as you can keep consistent blocking for that first cut.
Awesome stuff Sandy.. Sure is alot of work to cut a 20 footer there without the extensions.. You definitely made it look pretty easy for sure.. I think i can cut right around 20 footers with my extensions on my home built trailer.. However i need to cut some 28 foot beams for a future post and beam project in the near future... Your video definitely gave me a few ideas to work with.. Think im going to look at fabbing up some adjustable rollers to mount on the sides of my log bunks.. Keep up the good work there brother..
Okay. I’ll admit I was wrong. I think this was much better than the other method that I used of sliding the log back and forth 4 times to do one whole side at a time. Live and learn. Thanks for the content.
Howdy Sandy- nice job on getting that beam sawn. I’ve seen this done before but I’ve never tried it. I can cut 23’ the way my mill is now but having a tractor big enough to handle something like that is the problem. Appreciate you taking the time to make this video to help others with their milling. Take care and God bless
Excellent video Sandy I have an HM126 Woodlander and I’ve struggled with doing logs longer than the bunk that I need for my barn project thanks for the inspiration
I have been thinking about this... pondering it and pondering it... obsessing. Brilliant, sir. Once again, you are the sawfather... I was going one way and you came up with a different way. Very helpful video.
Hi Sandy!!😀😀 Nice job buddy!! Just goes to show if you think about something long enough you can overcome almost any problem. It turned out really nice for what you are going to use it for. Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍 Logger Al
I've only been sawing for a few months and plan on building a shed but was wondering how I could cut a 20' beam, and low and behold, you must have read my mind!!! I greatly appreciate your advice and experience you've shared. Awesome video!!!!!
There is always a way you just have to find it and you did. Your method worked very well a little bit of difference in the cuts will never be seen great video Sandy
Thanks Sandy for the good job you answered. a question I had. Now, tongue in cheek, what a great idea for cleaning off dirt from a log, drag it through a puddle on your way to the mill, think I would make it a little closer to the mill just to keep from getting dirt back on it.
Thanks for tuning in and glad you're liking the videos. I used to have a chainsaw-mill before these sawmills but I found that it was a bit more work for me to make the lumber and used a fair bit of fuel in my chainsaw. I think the chainsaw mills have their place when remote and for a smaller up-front investment though (assuming you own the chainsaw already)
Good morning Sandy good job with the 20 feet log I like the way you set up with the saw horses I am lucky I got the extention to do 23 feet max but 22 comfortable also a little suggestion when you go in the woods do you bring your cant hook I do sometime it sa e me a lot of aggregation to but the chain under it by the way I am going g to see if you got a email so I can send a couple of picture of my log carrier that I built have a great day and that was some nice saw dust making
That sounds like a great setup! I don't cut too many really long timbers but sure would handy when needed. I don't actually carry around my cant hook much but would be handy. I should make a little holder for my winch as it would help me get the chains underneath as you mentioned. Hope all is well!
Great job Sandy, I too have sawed long timbers on my HM130. Mine is the 16 footer on woodland trailer . The longest I've done was 36 ' and I sawed the whole length ( 1/2 then slide it and saw the other half ) , mine was also red pine. Alot of fun and challenging.
Quote by Plato: “Necessity is the mother of invention.” When the need for something becomes imperative, you are forced to find ways of getting or achieving it.
Hey buddy how are ya? Oh boy you made it look easy! I think I want a tractor when I grow up hehehehe. Great job buddy. The beam looks great! I’ve seen 4 guys do what you did on UA-cam. But yours seems better. I like that you used saw horses and blocking to level up. When I bought my sawmill I was concerned about cut length, I wanted to be able to cut 24-28 foot (roof rafters) but still be on a trailer. I wanted and lusted after the woodlander xl, but ended up going with a different saw mill. I love my mill and look forward to sawing every day. I am gonna get the sharpener and setter like you have, blades are 36 bucks each so gotta be careful when I cut. I found that logs that only give me 2 2x4s aren’t worth the cost of the blades to cut, too much time in the bark, I like 16 to 24 inch logs good yield and not so heavy I can’t move them with what equipment I have. Buddy thanks for all the videos over the years you’ve made, they have helped me so much, and now I saw logs and build stuff. God bless you and yours. Thanks for being our sawn mill guru.
That's a great point you made about the small logs and dulling blades as I also find that sometimes the return isn't worth it if it weren't for the sharpener since there is a lot of bark cutting as you mentioned. Glad to have ya along the channel each week. Hope all is well with you!
great job sandy, big job but you got her done. Q i got a few pine trees should i just square them up and saw board out of them later the fall when they dry. i got a few projects to do this winter that need 1 inch board. have a great day
Hey Wallace! I try to cut the boards as soon as I can and avoid leaving cants around as I find the cants tend to want to crack on me as they dry in the warm weather and this could impact the boards I make from them. However, if you paint the ends of the cants and leave them you probably stand a better chance of the cants not cracking/splitting on ya. Hope you're doing well out there!
Great job 👍 you just confirmed something in my mind. I'ven though I don't have my mill yet I knew it was possible but just slow and more work but could be done 👍
I'm super impressed Sandy! 👏 Good on ya man! 20 footers are not a common length I use but there are certain occasions when it would be nice to have the option, definitely trying this! Have a terrific week and take care! ✌🌈
A lot of extra work, but it is possible. Good job. Could you fabricate some rollers (out of pipe maybe?) that would set over the bunks that would make it easier to push the log? I know you don't do this very often so it might not be worth the effort, but if you had several long logs to do it might be worth it.
Just discovered your channel and really enjoying it. I appreciate the time and effort that you put into your editing and camera shots. It is really a work of art just like the 20' beam. Looking forward to going back and watching a lot more of your content.
Awesome job. We always get great ideas from your experience. I wonder if the laser would have been a help in lining up the cuts? However, maybe with the bright sun it would have been useless. We did get a laser like yours but it is not bright enough for outside use. We'll have to wait til we have a shelter creating shade to use it. Another thought is that when comes time to flip the log, you could always suspend it an inch or two using a strap and then swing it by hand 180 degrees. That could save a lot of back and forth with the tractor and might be gentler on the mill. Those are my armchair lumberjack comments....lol. Great job and thanks for taking the time to document
I am of thought that you could also use two pieces of angle with a couple two or three pieces of square stock to the exact same size as those on the bed that could be bolted on your trailer frame and on the far end just a couple pieces of what you have in pipe that would slide inside the other making it adjustable and then your able to stay level with the saw, and the ground is not a problem as the leg holding it up is adjustable. I would not use it consistently but for the random needed beam, its gonna be a life saver.... no need of log stops like the mill has .. just that occasional needed beam to do, maybe a sawhorse or something to help with the balance of it all. The leg holding those rails up could also have a foot on it for the bottom to help support the weight. Just a idea Sandy... I know it took a lot of figuring to get it as close as you did to match those cuts that extremely well.
I like that idea. I wonder what the cost would be for this compared with buying the extensions. I'm sure there'd be some savings just. curious how much
@@sawingwithsandy I would not go real heavy material as its just a once in while anyway and scrap is high but still cheaper than new... kinda look about different places and maybe a old farm or two around, you'll find stuff where you least expect it to be... thing is, its real simple and no hurry to do, once gathered up, a afternoon build... thank you for a liking this idea
Hello Sandy. Great job getting both ends to match. A little sanding with a palm sander and you will not see any difference between the two ends. Have good days!
I just got my new mill, this is good info to remember. A couple questions: when you turn the log 90 deg after the first cut, why not turn it the other way (top towards you) so your saw blade can enter on a clean cut face? Don't leave any wane and your blade might stay sharp longer? Less work cleaning the log. I carry all my logs crosswise if I can or load them on a trailer to avoid dragging them in the dirt.
Great question. I actually turn my logs 180 degrees after the first cut so that there's a flat edge lying on the log bunks as I find this gives me the best chances of getting a square cant. Although I"d prefer to be cutting into non-bark side I find that having the sawn side flat against the log bunks or against the log stops is best for me to keep the cant I make square.
good show I don't have mine yet but I ordered the hm 130 max with 3 extra pieces of track. I actually could even use some more if I end up cutting logs for cabin Building some of the peak beams can be as much as 65 feet long but ill have to do with 29 ft cutting length for now
I worked at a sawmill that cut 40' lumber . 6x12 , 12x12 , 16x16 timbers . We shipped a 78 foot 24x24 to Japan for some wood expo they were having . We were trying for 80 feet , but eighty foot would not exit the mill . Only took most of the afternoon lol . I was on the green chain , they kept the rest of the mill going by running rejected timbers through the resaw . Fun days
I always leave my stumps up about 2' to 3',then in 2 or 3 years when they die off I can push them over cut off the top n get rid of the roots.unless I'm making a path.you'd think that's a long time to wait but it goes by very fast when there out of the way.always enjoy you videos buddy.you wouldn't want to do that every day ,hey.last time I tried to back mine up the blade flew off.alot of work but the expense of a 20' beam would be crazy.
It is almost how I do it on my old trusty 2017 HM130. But I removed the end bunk (never use it anyway) and replaced it with a flat piece of steel. That way you can cut half a meter or so further than the (now) last bunk and slide it backwards in steps with sawn side resting on all the bunks. Anyway - just a tip. Keep the sawdust flying...
Never done it. But when the time comes I'm going to try it this way. Seems like it takes awhile, but I think I'll prefer the flat surface to work off of.
Hey Sandy! Try getting some of those stick-on bug catchers that you put on the back of your hat (CTC, Lee Valley, Homehardware, those types of stores). I use them and at least the bastards don't bite the back of your neck. It seems when their buddies see them stuck dead on the back of the hat, they tend to back off or get their just rewards, just sayin', lol! Beautiful beam work!! Greetings from Peterborough.
Great video. I was wondering what you were doing about the taper. I have wanted to give this technique I try with my LT 40 for a while. Just have not needed a longer beam. Maybe soon I’ll just do it for fun. Stay safe, keepitdusty, keep family
Could you use the older sawmills trailer bed and connect the two butt end to butt end. Drive this Mobil one to the stationary one.you would have to craft a way to get them both at the same height. Simply connect the two trailer beds.
@@sawingwithsandy and about the bugs, here in eastern Virginia, the mosquitoes, gnats, biting flies, ticks, etc. are horrible too!! The exception between here and there is the humidity is so high, I would pass out from heat stroke if I had on long pants and long sleeve shirt!! I usually put on a hat and head net, shorts and T-shirt, and slather on the deet like you do. It’s funny how the places we live are so different yet we both have the same “ bug “ problems!!! LOL!!
Question what is the measurement from the ground to the highest point of the sawmill I have ordered the 126 model and woodlander trailer hoping it'll fit through an 8 foot garage door I enjoy watching your videos thank you
I don't have my mill handy at the moment but I did a quick lookup on Woodland MIlls website and it says for the Woodland MIlls HM130max woodlander (on trailer) from the ground to the top of the scale is 104 1/16" but from the ground to the top of the lubrication tank is 83 5/16" .
Well done Sir! I can’t help wondering tho, with the lifting potential and power of a 3-point, would the log be lifted/pushed/pulled along thru each cut be easier? If I ever need to cut longer that the mills capability, I think I’ll find out! Great as always Sandy.
Great question. I think it would be possible to use the tractor to move the timber through the cut but my trouble is I wouldn't be able to pull the log very evenly I don't think and may end up binding the blade. I'm sure it is possible though. Now you got me thinking haha
Great job on the beam. this a beam for new sawmill cover and do you need two beams for it ? I'm catch up on your videos now I've been out fishing. Did you sell your other mill?
Hey Dan! I'm going to just need the one beam as I"ll be running the rafters from the other lumber shed which is already in place and leaning them on this beam to house my new sawmill that I cut this beam with
Awesome stuff mate, really impressed. I’ve challenged some of your thought processes before but mate that was a 10 out 10. Great stuff. Why don’t you get an Aussie Mosquito/fly head mesh net, it will slip straight over your helmet. . They are awesome, no more biting bugs on your neck.
Thanks for watching. Did turn out well thankfully. I do have one of those bug nets for myself but I find it's a bit cumbersome so I don't wear it too often
My husband loves watching your channel, and he has the same sawmill. I’m wondering if you have tried Skin So Soft to keep the bugs off? If not, I will send you some. If you have and it did not work, try a beekeeper hat with netting and remove the face covering so you can see. It’s 100 degrees here right now and our heat index says 110. Try to stay cool.
Hi Donna! Nice to hear your husband enjoys the channel. Great to have nice folks like yourselves here. I haven't tried the Skin So Soft before. It's a warm one here as well this week. Think we're sitting around 27celcius at the moment. I'm hiding out indoors for the time being
@@sawingwithsandy send me a PO Box and your address and I will send you some. It works really well. We are about 92 degrees today and haven’t had rain in almost 4 weeks. It’s brutal because we have humidity at about 80% right now.
The cloths softener sheets people put in the dryer work well to keep the bugs away. Put some on the back of your neck sticking out of a hat or out of your shirt. I can't believe it works but it does
i am looking at the hm130max and was wondering about this exactly - if you were to go back and redo the purchase of the mill, would you do the 17' trailer? its $1100 more today and while i need the occasional beam im not sure how often i need it.
I like the ability to move the sawmill whenever I want but with that being said I rarely move mine and instead find it easier to move logs to the sawmill.
Wow, brilliant! And you could plane that beam if you had to have it really accurate for a beam in a timber frame or something that necessitated a completely accurate cut with no blemishes. Good to know!
Update: I just watched your one video where you covered this question! Extension it is. I think it makes sense given the tight clearance when doing 10' logs. Hi Sandy, I noticed your other sawmill had the extension, but your new sawmill, you got the regular length. Do you plan to add an extension, or you keeping the trailer short for agility? Did you figure 95% of the logs you cut, 10.5' is all you need? I am trying to decide if I need to buy the extension when I order my trailer. I think I could get away with 10.5' but would need the occasionally longer beam. Not sure its worth the extra grand it costs when you include the trailer. Really hard to make these decisions especially since I have never even use a sawmill before let alone own one lol!
I don't have a set number of hours but I usually start to feel some resistance or added force needing to be applied as I move the sawmill forward. That's my way of telling that it's time to put on a sharp blade
I cut some tapers on 4 cants for a timber frame today. Unfortunately, I did not video it or the results. Turned our real nice. The customer was very happy.
About 3 weeks ago, I watched a Walnut and Wineberries video, which used a aluminum ladder under the cant, to slid the extended log to where it could all be cut on a same plane.
That's a good question. I think since the slab is a bit inconsistent in it's thickness since it's got the bark on it still it can make the height of the log vary a little bit.
Hi Sandy! Thank you for all these great videos. You keep us highly informed. We are dying to know more about your land though. How many acres? Also, we received our HM130 Max and spent over 3 days on the assembly. Wierd thing we found over and over that the bolt head and nut for that bolt were different sizes. We can’t figure out if that was a mistake on their part, or intentional. Anyway, have a great day and we will keep watching. Oh Yea - any plans for merch?? =)
Great to have ya along each week! I do have plans for Merch just have to find the right setup. I"ll be sure to keep ya posted and I appreciate the support that way! I've got a fairly big plot of land but in the videos I'm probably using about 20 acres or so for the wood working type things. For my HM130max I believe that is intention with the bolt head being different size than the nut. Mine was the same when I assembled it.
I am going to add 4-5’ of angle iron track to each end of my 20’ track (16’ cut capacity). If you add ½ to each end instead of all to one end, you don’t need to build more log supports. The extra track merely supports the saw head, and the log can overhang the existing log bed on each end.
Good question Dan. I wanted to maximize the amount of length on this tree as it as for the beam so I took a small than normal face cut. The tree had some good lean to it already so allowed it to work out for me. I normally would cut a taller face cut in most cases
I’m so glad I’m not the only one that loves being outdoors, but seems to be in a constant battle with the bugs 😂. Love your videos, thanks for all the extra effort to keep us entertained!
Those bugs sure make me question how much I love the outdoors> I'm sure you know what I mean haha
I give you much credit you got an idea, made up a plan and it worked out for you.
Thanks for that!
Hi Sandy been watching your vidioes for a while now. just an older bush man myself . just a suggestion for skidding logs a long distance in the summer is cut the log 32 inches longer than your saw log when you get to your landing cut 2 16 inch blocks of fire wood off the end that was being dragged for fire wood. that way you will get a much cleaner log on your mill . just a suggestion a good video.
Great suggestion Myles. As you can imagine, the dirt certainly can dull the chainsaw and blades quick
Good morning Sandy.
Well done.. But I think you have done it before.. hahaha. Maybe..
Making lumber is so satisfying..
You thanked that first slab of and go wow.. Even good old red pine or white pine.. Nothing like using lumber you have made..
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
Oh and I watched GP OutDoors and Gord was enjoying the Deer flies as much as you.. hahahahah
Have a great week.
Stay safe and always be kind
Cheers
Thanks Gus. Yeah it all worked out well. I think with anything as you can imagine it just takes a bit of time and planning and usually it goes ok. Luckily this time around it was a good ending. Welp...back to the deer flies for me haha
I like your thinking Sandy. It is a challenge to cut a 20 ft log but you figured a way to do it😁
Was a bit of a challenge for sure but I figured with a bit of thinking it would work out (luckily it did)!
When I saw the titled of the video, I thought you would pull it through the mill. It never occurred to me that it could be turned around. I'm impressed, good job and thank you for bringing us along.
Thanks Wayne!
The evolution of a sawmill purchase:
I purchased a small acreage in south Alabama and I need approximately 40,000 bd ft of lumber to make improvements. I started looking at Harbor Freight sawmill reviews since I planned to buy a throw away mill that would only be used to complete my projects. One of the reviews led me to a comparison of a Woodland Mills brand. This led me to a review of the HM 122 by Lumber Jack, and his channel led me to Oregon Old Timer's channel, which led me to yours. I had already pulled the trigger on the HM122 with a single extention when I talked to an Alabama extention service agent who told me portable mills were in demand. I saw this as an opportunity to get free logs so I pulled the trigger on the Bushlander XL trailer with the 6 ft extention. I now had the HM122 mill with capability of 20 ft logs promised to ship in 6 to 12 weeks. It's been 5 weeks and it's being delivered Monday. Your channel expressing your satisfaction with Woodland Mills has been beneficial and the speedy delivery of my mill is a testimony of their customer service. If you're not getting a commission from Woodland Mills, you should be. Thanks for your honest reviews.
great job sandy. will have to try this sometime if i ever need a large beam. great content for your channel
Thanks Billy!
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Nice job doing what you can with what you got to work with👍
Absolutely! I like being able to use what I have on hand where possible
What a deal really nice job , thanks for another fine show
Thanks great to hear!
This was definitely a vid that I was on the edge of my seat for! Definitely some skill used on that job! Thanks for inviting us! Your vids are great! Keep swatting the flies buddy! Cheers!
Cheers!
Glad you did it cause I wasn’t thinking of all the potential issues. I’ll save this move for the more competent miller. 👌
Thanks for watching Rich! Worked out well thankfully. Sure would've been a lot of work if it ended up not working
@@sawingwithsandy Absolutely. If I do attempt it I’d probably try the push through option and have the tree an extra couple feet longer than milling and use a tie down at the end bunk and move the saw horses to the other end to help reduce any possibility of the milling being stressed into lifting from the weight. I’m think this would reduce the amount of levelling when spinning it around.
Just thinking out loud. 😂😂😂
Actually I’d need 2 sets of saw horses to accomplish my goal. This certainly isn’t an easy task. But a great mind teaser for sure.
Just a suggestion Sandy!
Buy 2 - 16 foot 4 inch angle iron and some 2 inch flat bar! You have wood make yourself a hillbilly extension! You don’t need the extension very often so the angle and flat bar will be easily stored! Wood can be recut for the next time!
Not criticizing, just suggesting!
Keep your bugs!
Got plenty here in Misery! (Missouri)
That would do the trick for sure!
Well thought out and executed!
Worked out well for sure!
Gordon here , I would use a battery powered saws-all to do the cutting instead of power saw ,my thoughts. Also for me to slide log I would have used a chain on the forks and put it down the log far enough to swing when forks raise up . As for the bugs drink alot of citrus fruit drinks that you make from fruit DO NOT buy them as they are sugar drinks. I do that for hunting in the woods. Cause banana make you become a feast for them. LOL. I own a Norwoods 2000 LM 20 foot log and I still need it longer sometimes . Thanks for the ride and extra ideas , keep them a coming.
Hey Gordon! Yeah I agree that would be even handier. I just don't own one or I"d just that for sure. Thanks for that idea about the citrus drinks!
You did pretty darn good with that approach. I like the sawhorses. Another way would be to “block” the log for the first cut: screw 2 2x4s onto the log, about 15° apart. Do that in 3 appropriate places down the length of the log. You could run a string to make sure everything is lined up. Run the cut, then push the log back (on the blocks), run the next part of the cut. Etcetera. Once you have the first cut down the length of the log, you have a consistent reference plane and should be able to remove the blocking. Just roll it and cut-push-cut. You can make very long cants this way, as long as you can keep consistent blocking for that first cut.
Great ideas there! String line would be very helpful for sure as well
Awesome stuff Sandy.. Sure is alot of work to cut a 20 footer there without the extensions..
You definitely made it look pretty easy for sure..
I think i can cut right around 20 footers with my extensions on my home built trailer..
However i need to cut some 28 foot beams for a future post and beam project in the near future... Your video definitely gave me a few ideas to work with..
Think im going to look at fabbing up some adjustable rollers to mount on the sides of my log bunks..
Keep up the good work there brother..
Those adjustable rollers would help for sure. Sounds like you've got a great mill setup there!
Smart work on that beam came out perfect.
Thanks Kevin!
Great job Sandy - I'm impressed
Thanks Steve !
That pretty impressive Sandy, so close it’s not funny! Great job showing us it can be done for sure. Loved the video Sir. ✌🏼❤️🙏🏼
Thanks Mark. I'm glad this one worked out as I was going to put out this video as a "what not to do" if it didn't haha.
Okay. I’ll admit I was wrong. I think this was much better than the other method that I used of sliding the log back and forth 4 times to do one whole side at a time. Live and learn. Thanks for the content.
I think that technique you mention does work well though as I've used the back and fourth as well. Always happy to have ya along Aaron.
Nice job, great beam for shed.
Thanks John. Will be a chore getting it into position for the shed but well worth it I think
Howdy Sandy- nice job on getting that beam sawn. I’ve seen this done before but I’ve never tried it. I can cut 23’ the way my mill is now but having a tractor big enough to handle something like that is the problem. Appreciate you taking the time to make this video to help others with their milling. Take care and God bless
Sounds like a nice setup being able to cut the 23 footers. Sure would be handy
Beautiful result. Well done.
Thanks Brian!
Excellent video Sandy I have an HM126 Woodlander and I’ve struggled with doing logs longer than the bunk that I need for my barn project thanks for the inspiration
If you remove the last bunk and then cut your log, it makes it way easier. Then you can cut your log and move it back as you go
I have been thinking about this... pondering it and pondering it... obsessing. Brilliant, sir. Once again, you are the sawfather... I was going one way and you came up with a different way. Very helpful video.
Glad it was helpful and thanks again for watching each week on the channel. Good to have folks like yourself around here
Hi Sandy!!😀😀
Nice job buddy!!
Just goes to show if you think about something long enough you can overcome almost any problem.
It turned out really nice for what you are going to use it for.
Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍
Logger Al
Thanks Logger Al! Worked out real well
Sandy stated in video that it was for extension to sawmill shed.
@@tonygrimes13 reread my comment.
I've only been sawing for a few months and plan on building a shed but was wondering how I could cut a 20' beam, and low and behold, you must have read my mind!!! I greatly appreciate your advice and experience you've shared. Awesome video!!!!!
Always happy to help Tom
Dang. That is some well thought out creative thinking. It sure worked out well. Awesome job. Glad I watched.
Thanks Curt
Great video Sandy thanks !!!!!!!!!
Thanks for that!
There is always a way you just have to find it and you did. Your method worked very well a little bit of difference in the cuts will never be seen great video Sandy
Thanks Jeff! Did the trick just nice
Thanks Sandy for the good job you answered. a question I had. Now, tongue in cheek, what a great idea for cleaning off dirt from a log, drag it through a puddle on your way to the mill, think I would make it a little closer to the mill just to keep from getting dirt back on it.
Exactly haha
Great video Sandy.
I was just thinking; Now that you have Two sawmills,
perhaps it's time to invest in a Chainsaw Mill.
love you videos keep them up
Thanks for tuning in and glad you're liking the videos. I used to have a chainsaw-mill before these sawmills but I found that it was a bit more work for me to make the lumber and used a fair bit of fuel in my chainsaw. I think the chainsaw mills have their place when remote and for a smaller up-front investment though (assuming you own the chainsaw already)
Worked out great!
For sure Jeff
Good morning Sandy good job with the 20 feet log I like the way you set up with the saw horses I am lucky I got the extention to do 23 feet max but 22 comfortable also a little suggestion when you go in the woods do you bring your cant hook I do sometime it sa e me a lot of aggregation to but the chain under it by the way I am going g to see if you got a email so I can send a couple of picture of my log carrier that I built have a great day and that was some nice saw dust making
That sounds like a great setup! I don't cut too many really long timbers but sure would handy when needed. I don't actually carry around my cant hook much but would be handy. I should make a little holder for my winch as it would help me get the chains underneath as you mentioned. Hope all is well!
Great video Sandy. Enjoyed the instructions of cutting a 20 footer on a shorter mill.
Great job Sandy, I too have sawed long timbers on my HM130. Mine is the 16 footer on woodland trailer . The longest I've done was 36 ' and I sawed the whole length ( 1/2 then slide it and saw the other half ) , mine was also red pine. Alot of fun and challenging.
Yeah would be very rewarding I Bet. I'm going to try that slide method next time around
Nice job sandy rollers on the bunks would be a great idea
Great idea!
Enjoy your videos and everything you teach us ❤
Thank you for the support John!
Great job matching up the cuts on both ends! It’s a big job I’ve done it before. That’s a nice beam Sandy, keep up the great work.
Thanks Russell!
Quote by Plato: “Necessity is the mother of invention.” When the need for something becomes imperative, you are forced to find ways of getting or achieving it.
Very well put!
Great video! Awesome idea and way to to cut the beam. the beam looks Awesome! :)
Thanks Warren!
Hey buddy how are ya? Oh boy you made it look easy! I think I want a tractor when I grow up hehehehe. Great job buddy. The beam looks great! I’ve seen 4 guys do what you did on UA-cam. But yours seems better. I like that you used saw horses and blocking to level up.
When I bought my sawmill I was concerned about cut length, I wanted to be able to cut 24-28 foot (roof rafters) but still be on a trailer. I wanted and lusted after the woodlander xl, but ended up going with a different saw mill. I love my mill and look forward to sawing every day. I am gonna get the sharpener and setter like you have, blades are 36 bucks each so gotta be careful when I cut. I found that logs that only give me 2 2x4s aren’t worth the cost of the blades to cut, too much time in the bark, I like 16 to 24 inch logs good yield and not so heavy I can’t move them with what equipment I have. Buddy thanks for all the videos over the years you’ve made, they have helped me so much, and now I saw logs and build stuff. God bless you and yours. Thanks for being our sawn mill guru.
That's a great point you made about the small logs and dulling blades as I also find that sometimes the return isn't worth it if it weren't for the sharpener since there is a lot of bark cutting as you mentioned. Glad to have ya along the channel each week. Hope all is well with you!
great job sandy, big job but you got her done. Q i got a few pine trees should i just square them up and saw board out of them later the fall when they dry. i got a few projects to do this winter that need 1 inch board. have a great day
Hey Wallace! I try to cut the boards as soon as I can and avoid leaving cants around as I find the cants tend to want to crack on me as they dry in the warm weather and this could impact the boards I make from them. However, if you paint the ends of the cants and leave them you probably stand a better chance of the cants not cracking/splitting on ya. Hope you're doing well out there!
Great job 👍 you just confirmed something in my mind. I'ven though I don't have my mill yet I knew it was possible but just slow and more work but could be done 👍
For sure. Just takes a bit of head scratching and some brute force
I'm super impressed Sandy! 👏 Good on ya man! 20 footers are not a common length I use but there are certain occasions when it would be nice to have the option, definitely trying this! Have a terrific week and take care! ✌🌈
Thanks Jill! Sure is a handy setup although it does take a bit of extra setup as you can see in the video
Great idea
Thanks Tim'r!
Nice work bro...Just getter done...from a Norwood owner in Killarney
Right on! Hope all is well up your way
A lot of extra work, but it is possible. Good job. Could you fabricate some rollers (out of pipe maybe?) that would set over the bunks that would make it easier to push the log? I know you don't do this very often so it might not be worth the effort, but if you had several long logs to do it might be worth it.
The pipe idea is a great one! Thanks for that Mike
Hi Sandy! I am always interested in creative problem solving. Well done, sir!
Thanks Terry!
Just discovered your channel and really enjoying it. I appreciate the time and effort that you put into your editing and camera shots. It is really a work of art just like the 20' beam. Looking forward to going back and watching a lot more of your content.
Great to have ya on the channel and welcome!
Awesome job. We always get great ideas from your experience. I wonder if the laser would have been a help in lining up the cuts? However, maybe with the bright sun it would have been useless. We did get a laser like yours but it is not bright enough for outside use. We'll have to wait til we have a shelter creating shade to use it. Another thought is that when comes time to flip the log, you could always suspend it an inch or two using a strap and then swing it by hand 180 degrees. That could save a lot of back and forth with the tractor and might be gentler on the mill. Those are my armchair lumberjack comments....lol. Great job and thanks for taking the time to document
Great idea there Yves with the strap! I'm going to have to keep that in mind for next time around. Thanks again
I am of thought that you could also use two pieces of angle with a couple two or three pieces of square stock to the exact same size as those on the bed that could be bolted on your trailer frame and on the far end just a couple pieces of what you have in pipe that would slide inside the other making it adjustable and then your able to stay level with the saw, and the ground is not a problem as the leg holding it up is adjustable. I would not use it consistently but for the random needed beam, its gonna be a life saver.... no need of log stops like the mill has .. just that occasional needed beam to do, maybe a sawhorse or something to help with the balance of it all. The leg holding those rails up could also have a foot on it for the bottom to help support the weight. Just a idea Sandy... I know it took a lot of figuring to get it as close as you did to match those cuts that extremely well.
I like that idea. I wonder what the cost would be for this compared with buying the extensions. I'm sure there'd be some savings just. curious how much
@@sawingwithsandy I would not go real heavy material as its just a once in while anyway and scrap is high but still cheaper than new... kinda look about different places and maybe a old farm or two around, you'll find stuff where you least expect it to be... thing is, its real simple and no hurry to do, once gathered up, a afternoon build... thank you for a liking this idea
Very impressive cut, great video!👍🏻
Thanks James
Hello Sandy. Great job getting both ends to match. A little sanding with a palm sander and you will not see any difference between the two ends. Have good days!
Thanks for that! Turned out real nice
I just got my new mill, this is good info to remember. A couple questions: when you turn the log 90 deg after the first cut, why not turn it the other way (top towards you) so your saw blade can enter on a clean cut face? Don't leave any wane and your blade might stay sharp longer? Less work cleaning the log. I carry all my logs crosswise if I can or load them on a trailer to avoid dragging them in the dirt.
Great question. I actually turn my logs 180 degrees after the first cut so that there's a flat edge lying on the log bunks as I find this gives me the best chances of getting a square cant. Although I"d prefer to be cutting into non-bark side I find that having the sawn side flat against the log bunks or against the log stops is best for me to keep the cant I make square.
Fantastic!
Hope you're taking it easy in this heat or at least hiding out somewhere cool. I had to quit for the day, too hot for me 🤯
I hear ya there! The heat was brutal today!
good show I don't have mine yet but I ordered the hm 130 max with 3 extra pieces of track. I actually could even use some more if I end up cutting logs for cabin Building some of the peak beams can be as much as 65 feet long but ill have to do with 29 ft cutting length for now
Can never have enough track length that's for sure.
I worked at a sawmill that cut 40' lumber . 6x12 , 12x12 , 16x16 timbers . We shipped a 78 foot 24x24 to Japan for some wood expo they were having . We were trying for 80 feet , but eighty foot would not exit the mill . Only took most of the afternoon lol . I was on the green chain , they kept the rest of the mill going by running rejected timbers through the resaw . Fun days
Now that's a big timber operation!
17:22 why not push the log back and use the cant portion as a reference for the extended portion.
Hindsight is 20/20 24:28 .
I always leave my stumps up about 2' to 3',then in 2 or 3 years when they die off I can push them over cut off the top n get rid of the roots.unless I'm making a path.you'd think that's a long time to wait but it goes by very fast when there out of the way.always enjoy you videos buddy.you wouldn't want to do that every day ,hey.last time I tried to back mine up the blade flew off.alot of work but the expense of a 20' beam would be crazy.
I like the idea with the stumps and I can just about imagine the cost of a beam yikes!
Great stuff! Keep it coming Sandy. Now you've got me wondering if your old HM130 could be connected to your new HM130Max on the trailer...
Great question Jeff. This sawmill has rails that are a bit wider than the other sawmill but that idea is one I never thought about
@@sawingwithsandy That's too bad. Imagine the footage you'd get with 2 saw heads on one track 😉 Keep cool, it's a scorcher out there!
It is almost how I do it on my old trusty 2017 HM130. But I removed the end bunk (never use it anyway) and replaced it with a flat piece of steel. That way you can cut half a meter or so further than the (now) last bunk and slide it backwards in steps with sawn side resting on all the bunks. Anyway - just a tip. Keep the sawdust flying...
That's a great time Torsten! I appreciate you passing that along to me
Never done it. But when the time comes I'm going to try it this way. Seems like it takes awhile, but I think I'll prefer the flat surface to work off of.
Just curious why you don't use a bug net over your head? They work great! Every time I was up in CA out in the bush I had to have one!
Great question Ted. I find the bug nets get quite hot and cut down on my visibility
If you said it - I forgot it already. What square dimension did the beam end up being?
Think it ended up being 8" x 10"
@@sawingwithsandy thank you. Pine is impressive for its strength and weight ratio.
Hey Sandy! Try getting some of those stick-on bug catchers that you put on the back of your hat (CTC, Lee Valley, Homehardware, those types of stores). I use them and at least the bastards don't bite the back of your neck. It seems when their buddies see them stuck dead on the back of the hat, they tend to back off or get their just rewards, just sayin', lol! Beautiful beam work!! Greetings from Peterborough.
Hey Ken! Yeah I wouldn't want to try and get a meal anywhere where I see my peers stuck either haha
Great video. I was wondering what you were doing about the taper. I have wanted to give this technique I try with my LT 40 for a while. Just have not needed a longer beam. Maybe soon I’ll just do it for fun. Stay safe, keepitdusty, keep family
Sure was a bit of a weight swinging around but turned out well
@@sawingwithsandy for sure!!
Stay safe, keepitdusty, and keep filming 🎥.
-Benjamin
Could you use the older sawmills trailer bed and connect the two butt end to butt end. Drive this Mobil one to the stationary one.you would have to craft a way to get them both at the same height. Simply connect the two trailer beds.
Hey Jason! Unfortunately the older sawmill is a bit narrower than the new sawmill
MM77 Approved 👍🏼👍🏼………….looks like a lot of work, but WOW! Looks good!!
Thanks for that! Yeah came out nicely (thankfully)
@@sawingwithsandy and about the bugs, here in eastern Virginia, the mosquitoes, gnats, biting flies, ticks, etc. are horrible too!! The exception between here and there is the humidity is so high, I would pass out from heat stroke if I had on long pants and long sleeve shirt!! I usually put on a hat and head net, shorts and T-shirt, and slather on the deet like you do. It’s funny how the places we live are so different yet we both have the same “ bug “ problems!!! LOL!!
Can't believe the perfect cuts, and without sludge. Even a blind squirrel will find a nut once in a while.
hahah I had the sludge finished before I even started cutting
Question what is the measurement from the ground to the highest point of the sawmill I have ordered the 126 model and woodlander trailer hoping it'll fit through an 8 foot garage door I enjoy watching your videos thank you
I don't have my mill handy at the moment but I did a quick lookup on Woodland MIlls website and it says for the Woodland MIlls HM130max woodlander (on trailer) from the ground to the top of the scale is 104 1/16" but from the ground to the top of the lubrication tank is 83 5/16" .
Would an Alaskan type mill have been easier and quicker for this?
I'd imagine an Alaskan Mill would've been a good tool for this log in this case for sure
Great job ! Wondering if using a laser sight (properly calibrated) would help with levelling the log end to end?
I've not tried but I think it would for sure
What a beam!!😊 has to be heavy!
Well done Sir! I can’t help wondering tho, with the lifting potential and power of a 3-point, would the log be lifted/pushed/pulled along thru each cut be easier? If I ever need to cut longer that the mills capability, I think I’ll find out! Great as always Sandy.
Great question. I think it would be possible to use the tractor to move the timber through the cut but my trouble is I wouldn't be able to pull the log very evenly I don't think and may end up binding the blade. I'm sure it is possible though. Now you got me thinking haha
@@sawingwithsandy like we ever stop?
Great job on the beam. this a beam for new sawmill cover and do you need two beams for it ? I'm catch up on your videos now I've been out fishing. Did you sell your other mill?
Sandy still has other sawmill.
Hey Dan! I'm going to just need the one beam as I"ll be running the rafters from the other lumber shed which is already in place and leaning them on this beam to house my new sawmill that I cut this beam with
Great video, got a question.., do you grind stumps when you harvest … or just leave them to rot back into the ground? Thanks
Hey Garry! I would prefer to grind them but unfortunately I don't have a stump grinder so I just leave them rot
Awesome stuff mate, really impressed. I’ve challenged some of your thought processes before but mate that was a 10 out 10. Great stuff. Why don’t you get an Aussie Mosquito/fly head mesh net, it will slip straight over your helmet. . They are awesome, no more biting bugs on your neck.
Thanks for watching. Did turn out well thankfully. I do have one of those bug nets for myself but I find it's a bit cumbersome so I don't wear it too often
My husband loves watching your channel, and he has the same sawmill. I’m wondering if you have tried Skin So Soft to keep the bugs off? If not, I will send you some. If you have and it did not work, try a beekeeper hat with netting and remove the face covering so you can see. It’s 100 degrees here right now and our heat index says 110. Try to stay cool.
Hi Donna! Nice to hear your husband enjoys the channel. Great to have nice folks like yourselves here. I haven't tried the Skin So Soft before. It's a warm one here as well this week. Think we're sitting around 27celcius at the moment. I'm hiding out indoors for the time being
@@sawingwithsandy send me a PO Box and your address and I will send you some. It works really well. We are about 92 degrees today and haven’t had rain in almost 4 weeks. It’s brutal because we have humidity at about 80% right now.
Nice job, a 16' trailer helps make it a little easier on a 20'er. But if there is a will, there is a way👍😁.
Absolutely!
The cloths softener sheets people put in the dryer work well to keep the bugs away. Put some on the back of your neck sticking out of a hat or out of your shirt. I can't believe it works but it does
I'll try it ! Thanks Bob
Thx for sharing
Awesome job
Thanks for that Sharon!
HM 130 max handle that well,I;m impressed
For sure Ken. Went well and now the challenge is getting that big beam into place (yikes)
i am looking at the hm130max and was wondering about this exactly - if you were to go back and redo the purchase of the mill, would you do the 17' trailer? its $1100 more today and while i need the occasional beam im not sure how often i need it.
I like the ability to move the sawmill whenever I want but with that being said I rarely move mine and instead find it easier to move logs to the sawmill.
Now you are just showing off!!!😉
The stars aligned just right on this one haha
Wow, brilliant! And you could plane that beam if you had to have it really accurate for a beam in a timber frame or something that necessitated a completely accurate cut with no blemishes. Good to know!
I agree! Just a little touchup and it would be perfect for sure
Ok thanks for the lesson Sandy, I'll put this under the category of good to know. Hoping the bugs subside soon! Cheers. 🚜🪚🪰👍🍻
Right on! Glad you liked this video and I appreciate you watching each week. Hope all is well with you!
@@sawingwithsandy keeping busy, new tractor for the property, now I can lift those bigger 20” logs and IBC totes.
Update: I just watched your one video where you covered this question! Extension it is. I think it makes sense given the tight clearance when doing 10' logs.
Hi Sandy, I noticed your other sawmill had the extension, but your new sawmill, you got the regular length. Do you plan to add an extension, or you keeping the trailer short for agility? Did you figure 95% of the logs you cut, 10.5' is all you need? I am trying to decide if I need to buy the extension when I order my trailer. I think I could get away with 10.5' but would need the occasionally longer beam. Not sure its worth the extra grand it costs when you include the trailer. Really hard to make these decisions especially since I have never even use a sawmill before let alone own one lol!
I think the extension is worth it for sure and I plan on adding an extension on my new mill before long
Question for you Sandy how long does a blade last before you have to change it. 2 hours or how can you tell?
Great video by the way.
I don't have a set number of hours but I usually start to feel some resistance or added force needing to be applied as I move the sawmill forward. That's my way of telling that it's time to put on a sharp blade
maybe try one of those hats with the flap in the back keeps the sun off your neck. might work for the bugs too.?
There's a good idea! Thanks Terry
I cut some tapers on 4 cants for a timber frame today. Unfortunately, I did not video it or the results. Turned our real nice. The customer was very happy.
Can't go wrong with that as long as the customer is wanting that type of cut. Hope you're doing well out there Ray!
@@sawingwithsandy Doing well Sandy. Fighting bugs just like you.
About 3 weeks ago, I watched a Walnut and Wineberries video, which used a aluminum ladder under the cant, to slid the extended log to where it could all be cut on a same plane.
Sounds like it could work with some support
Couldn't you put the slab back under the log that you cut off wouldn't that make it the perfect hight to get your beam straight on the mill?
That's a good question. I think since the slab is a bit inconsistent in it's thickness since it's got the bark on it still it can make the height of the log vary a little bit.
❤love the mill
Good job
Thank you!
Do you not want to wear mess head coverings to keep the bugs away from you?
I do wear bug jackets form time to time to keep the bugs away form my face but usually that's only when the bugs are getting into my nose and eyes
Hi Sandy! Thank you for all these great videos. You keep us highly informed. We are dying to know more about your land though. How many acres? Also, we received our HM130 Max and spent over 3 days on the assembly. Wierd thing we found over and over that the bolt head and nut for that bolt were different sizes. We can’t figure out if that was a mistake on their part, or intentional. Anyway, have a great day and we will keep watching. Oh Yea - any plans for merch?? =)
Great to have ya along each week! I do have plans for Merch just have to find the right setup. I"ll be sure to keep ya posted and I appreciate the support that way! I've got a fairly big plot of land but in the videos I'm probably using about 20 acres or so for the wood working type things. For my HM130max I believe that is intention with the bolt head being different size than the nut. Mine was the same when I assembled it.
That's just common with metric fasteners. Also common with 7/16" and 9/16" fasteners in SAE.
I am going to add 4-5’ of angle iron track to each end of my 20’ track (16’ cut capacity). If you add ½ to each end instead of all to one end, you don’t need to build more log supports. The extra track merely supports the saw head, and the log can overhang the existing log bed on each end.
Great idea there Matt!
Why is the wedge you cut out so narrow? I've never seen that before. Isn't it more dangerous?
Good question Dan. I wanted to maximize the amount of length on this tree as it as for the beam so I took a small than normal face cut. The tree had some good lean to it already so allowed it to work out for me. I normally would cut a taller face cut in most cases
Good JOB
Thanks for that !