Installing a 5" Channel Drain across driveway
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2020
- This homeowner hired a less-than-reputable concrete contractor and the driveway slopes into the garage, causing flooding inside. We installed a channel drain as close to the garage doors as we could and have solved a large portion of flooding issues. There is still a problem with rain landing between the garage doors and channel drain since the concrete slopes towards the doors. We will be revisiting this job by pouring concrete to build up under the garage doors. For now, this system is working extremely well and carrying a large volume of water away. Check it out!
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I liked how you took the time to refurb the old concrete cutting machine. Too many tools are scrapped just because they need a little work. Often the new tools aren't as well made as the old versions.
We just used that saw this week and it's still a beast! I'm very happy I fixed it back up!
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I feel that way about a lot of consumer goods too. My 15 year old vacuum’s rollers were not spinning. Looked up the issue and it cost $2 for a part and soldering to fix it. I took it apart, my husband soldered the circuit, and I put it back together.
Everyone said to just buy a new vacuum, but why buy a new vacuum when this one was perfectly fine and it just needed a new replacement for the circuit (not even a motor issue)?
Miss that old school mindset of not wasting stuff. So many people are about ease and convenience instead of learning a new skill. And like you noted, a lot of the older stuff is made much better than the newer goods.
With how muddy the soil is near the house, I personally would have done corregated draintile in the soil areas. I did that several years ago and it dried up the soil all around it in all directions. It also helps when it rains as the soil can then accept water and leach into the drain tile versus immediately shedding water. I dug a foot wide, foot deep hole, laid down landscape fabric, back filled with pea rock, wrapped the fabric over the top, put a couple inches of sand on top, then a few inches of the native soil. No more soggy yard.
I'm also concerned about nothing other than soil being under the drench drain. Seems that section could move independently of the surrounding slab on either side. A contractor I had was going to cut a wider initial channel and have the concrete and rebar go under the drain and join both slabs and the new section together.
Found these videos about a week ago and have since watched about 20 of them. Love it
Thank you Dane!
I'm surprised you haven't added gutter installation to your line of work yet. Seems like a natural fit. You do great work!
I have a wonderful gutter guy who I've been working with for six years. He takes care of all my gutter stuff. 👍
So used to cutting trenches for telecom , we used to dig a hole near side of concrete to crowbar the concrete out . We didnt have jackhammers in the 80's . Had to swing the sledgy and start with the point ended crowbar to crack the breaks apart then use the flat end after . Ahh the good old days of manual labour
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Home owners should occasionally go outside and walk their property in a storm or heavy rain to see whats going on. It can save a lot of hassle and money.
Middle of the day, and I'm enjoying a video of a man laying some serious 5" pipe... Thank you for sharing! It's nice to see careful/thoughtful management/ownership.
Thanks for watching Ali
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TLDR: Thanks.
I appreciate the production it takes to do both, the work, then editing and narrating. That's vision: someone has a need, they find you, you look at the situation, then engineer a solution. There was a mention of rain gutters. So, there's thinking about the whole problem, not just the visible symptoms.
Jimmys Muffler Shop, Tuscaloosa Alabama. Another great business. Their shop put my muffler on my high school car in 2003. The owner helped me with my motorcycle in 2012 when I was in college (I needed aluminum welded on a part that is out of production). He helped me again with an antique RX7 in 2014 (I thought it was an exhaust leak, it was a bad trunk seal). I was trying to pay him to do more work; but the other problems I had weren't related to his business. He was honest about that, and helped me with my real problems.
People will have the same stories about your business, about you. They might not write it out, but they feel it. They'll try to explain it. But, you know integrity matters more than being flashy. What works vs. what looks nice. Looking nice is the same as trying; and trying is okay until you really need the job done. More rain is coming in a lot of areas. Bigger flash floods. Your mind would be needed in civil planning and Army engineers... I'm sure a lot of people like you are already there. But, more funding please.
(Personally, your videos helped me get the courage to look at my foundation. It seems it wasn't as bad as I had feared. Water in my basement has gone from a stream to a puddle. Your video helped me familiarize myself with what I might expect if I hired a professional. What would a pro tell me I needed, and what would that look like? Your video answered that. It took a few days of thinking to realize what it would mean on my property ; like removing fences to gain access, space for dirt piles, etc. You caught me with coffee in hand, so I'm hanging with my dog and typing for fun. )
Beautiful work.
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My grandparents always told me with a house you can’t cheap out on a house. Do it right the first time. Gj
Great advice!
Great job! Gutters can make all the difference... along with proper drainage. Keep up the great work.
Nice quality work.
Thank you! 👍
Good job 👏
hey man thanks for all your videos, my house is currently sinking and ima raise the house a few blocks, ima eventually use these drainage tips.
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My gutters were overflowing the first rain fall.......when the weather dried out......I took a leaf blower to them ......makes a huge huge deference....... rain gutters need maintenance, at least once or twice a year .......nice work as always
Leaf blowers are the only way to clean gutters. I use a backpack blower in the gutter and a handheld to direct the debris off the rook. The whole roof takes maybe 5 mins.
Enjoyed this. A bit of a bummer that the gutters weren’t checked out ahead of time. Thanks for posting. Water. Gravity. Physics. 😎
Thank you! I agree that the gutters should have been in better working shape.
@@GCFD add gutter repair/cleaning to your scope of work. Saying that, it would be pretty messy and wet when you are trying to lay your PVC, scratch that idea.
Great job . . . I wish you were in TX . . . I need a channel drain in front of my shop. Thanks for the info . . . another DIY project on my list.
It's a lot of work but you should be able to get it done. 👍
@@GCFD I am renting a walk behind saw in the morning. Did you have to go over the cuts several times or just once at the required depth? Thanks.
It would be a great idea to fly a drone to see the roof and the gutters before you do the work to let the home owner if he has a problem that will make your hard work look bad. Clean the gutters first and then do the job. Just an idea. From Durango México.
That's a great idea Paco! It could also show just how much debris is in their gutters.
So many specialty tools needed for this type of work
Yes and they make the job so much more manageable. 👍
You can probably do this without the specialty tools but it would just be a huge pain.
Nice clean pro install.
Thank you! 👍
Heating up the pvc pipe with a blow torch and bending it will also give you more manuverability without having to put more money into connectors. Just practice with some scrap pieces. I have also seen people use very hot sand and put it in the pvc to bend it.
Good luck heating and bending 4” pvc without a hot box
Great tip!
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@@electricaf365 it might take a little more time but again Its just another tool in your arsenal to maybe solve a piping issue that you can fix with a connector for some reason.
Was opportunity for added value could backfill the trenches with drainfield jagged rocks to serve as a french drain downhill conduit for surface water
I looked into those channel drains and thought I saw that they are built with slope integrated into the design. That way you install the grate level and the bottom has the slope for proper draining.
Those must be different than the ones we use. These are the same all around and we set their slope.
there are 2 versions out there, the ones you named and the ones they used in the video 😀
@@Malandrin No kidding, thanks. 😉
Someday somebody will develop a gutter system that will not collect debris. There’s are all kinds of gimmicks but none really work overtime. Nothing beats putting up a ladder and just cleaning out gutters manually. My neighbor cleans his gutters when they start growing small trees.
I like a leaf blower for cleaning them out.
@@GCFD I’m going to give that a try!
Your videos are why I told my husband we need to fix the gutters and soil grade first before putting in any french drain and sump pump in the crawl space (we bought a house and it has basement water issues). The prior owners never cleaned out the gutters.
I already saw huge benefits just cleaning out the gutters on one side of the house. The front of the house has gutters connected to buried perforated corrugated pipe. 🤦♀️.
We hope to do pvc like you at some point but will do downspout extensions away from the house to the driveway in front until we have more time to do a permanent solution.
Thanks for all your videos!
Getting the gutters working and extending the downspouts should give you some great results for now. Nice work!
You make this look easy. I have a question for you on a French drain vs catch basin at back of housing development.
Thanks! Having great help makes it so much better.
Great video. Thank you. How much lower is the top surface of the drain than the original driveway slab? TY
This looks great! But also above my budget right now. are there above-ground options where I can redirect the water over the driveway? Maybe like a speed bump pipe?
I know this a long shot but do you know anyone in Oregon that specializes in this type of work? I really appreciate your attentiveness and explanation in all your videos. Thanks Shawn!
I don't know anyone in your area. 👍
This was a great demonstration of what you do. Customers need to pay attention to their 1st lines of defense otherwise why have you work so hard? I'm glad you didn't go to get a ladder during the rain, safety 1st. I did noticed the width of the channel opening could've been alittle wider, no?
Good job all around & great tools 💪😊
Great video - thanks! I have two questions - how long did you wait before pulling the packing tape off? Second, I need to install a drain like this across a bluestone gravel drive (which is at a slight grade). I'm planning to dig a trench, suspend the drain product on rebar (per the design of the drain system) and pour the concrete the same way. Any advice or cautionary tales?
U could use the concrete driveway sections to help sure up the city drain.
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i really love your work and it looks amazing ( this is from a plumber in the Netherlands) the only thing that make me like Meh is the transfer from the square gutter drains to the round pvc in the groud. Is there nit a connection piece that u can get to make it looks nice ?? most of our drain pipes are round and from Zink
Sean that was one of the worse trench lines I have yet to see in your videos. Sorry about giving your crap. :) That culvert have seen better days. I'm metal grate is literally just for show. Another great video!
👍 It was rough trenching off camber like that.
Great job Shawn, as always. My only quip, as a perfectionist, is the treatment of the downspout to PVC connections. I wish you could use a heat gun and get those tied in just a bit better, but that is how eye roll!
I agree. But I like to leave the gap there for future access to the pipe if needed. I always go with results over looks but I wish they looked better.
Awesome work and video... thank you!!! Not that it matters but might the NDS Dura Slope (with built-in slope) have been beneficial here when you are forced to follow the 'top' of existing concrete?
Regarding that down spot attached at the 'beginning' of the trench drain. I sure wish you put a receiver with a T to lower the connection into the channel drain.
I wanted to keep the connection high to preserve the energy from the falling downspout water. This will help keep the channel flushed out and luckily the bush covered up the less-than attractive pipe. Results over looks.
Another great video explaining each step and the reasons to do everything.
I just watched another "pro" install a channel drain across a driveway, he had 0 pitch on the channel and connected it to perforated pipe to daylight. I cringed when he said corrugated pipe.
Is there such a thing as too much fall?
Between the channel and the corrugated pipe he used 2 90° elbows, one straight down and and one to bring it back parallel with the lawn.
Would 4 45°'s or a 90° and 2 45°'s be better?
Too much fall only occurs where you run out of fall and flatten back out. The gutter on the left of this garage had to stay very high because the channel drain was a set elevation. Once you leave the item and start falling, you are then constrained by the outfall's elevation. If you have tons of fall with the land, you can just go for it. If things are fairly flat you need to conserve your fall so you don't run out before you reach the outfall.
Why would you not use fittings to couple gutter to the pvc. Looks way better !
I noticed that you only packed the gravel as the foundation for the channel drain to sit on rather than pouring at least 3 inches of concrete underneath, is this sufficient for heavy traffic such as vehicles to drive over the channel drain?
Downspouts into solid pipe w/ no cleanouts? That will end well...
I think your better off digging a trench down to a catch pipe pulling the water away from the house downhill, the trench would be 14" wide 12" deep you would pack 3" of 3/8" gravel under it then add 1" of sand this gives you room to build a form for a 6" thick reinforced catch base with a 2" lip on all sides you can install rebar grates each pice of rebar sits in a notch at surface level they get damaged just pull and replace them you can also pull them to clean out the trench.
The rebar sits under angle iron thats been bolted in this can easily be unbolted to change rebar parts.
The bolts and nuts are stainless steel so they don't rust.
WTG Shawn and guys and gals on the crew. Great Job! PS didn't you guys revisit this job and repair the drainage basin? In another video?
No that wasn't this basin
@@GCFD Actually I meant to say the subdivision or city's drainage basin in this video that was in bad shape. Not one of your own.
Love the hat!
hahah, it's great in the NC summer sun!
Nice work. Do you ever calculate, based on the size of the roof, how many downspouts you can feed into one main drain? On one house you did 2 drains to the street, but on most of your videos you show 2-3-4 downspouts in the same system - at what point are you overloading the system which could result in water overflowing the gutters?
I usually try to do overkill with the pipes just for the heaviest moments of rain so the system doesn't get overwhelmed and the flooding is right back.
Just an minor observation. As a meticulous detail oriented homeowner, I would have spent a bit more time at the entry point connected to the gutter.
1) The rubber sleeve coupler is typically more expensive than regular pvc 45 or 60 degrees coupler
2) The rubber coupler clamp would worry me, pvc glued couplers is the way to go under ground.
3) The way the cutter coupling pipe is connected to the drain channel looks crooked.
Best to use PVC pipe couplers properly glued to the connecting pipe and drain channel connecting parts true and straight , not skewed.
The perimeter of the home should be sealed or a concrete filet should be used to divert the rain water from the edges at the base of the home were moisture typically builds up and can filter into the walls in particular baseboards inside the home. I lived in the east coast for many years and know all about heavy rains and snow and have done a good share of remodeling and repairs in my own home and believe if you are going to do a job well, do it consistently throughout from start to finish.
I am pro recycling and reviving useful tool to do jobs or modifying machines or tools to make jobs easier and more cost effective than renting or purchasing tools that are very expensive, so great kudos for the machine you rebuilt.
I take it that the new drain ground gutter has a removable lid to clean any debris that typically gets trapped over time?
Those rubber connectors bond to the pipe over time and are rated for underground usage. The connection didn't look great but it is functioning to keep the channel drain clean. 👍
@@GCFD Thanks for taking my comment. We all learn through experience and more so by being of an open mid, good listeners, and observers. I am planning to do a similar channel and reason why I stumbled upon your videos, but my requirement is to divert rain water that builds heavy between a porch and a pool deck that was originally built with a 2 inch pool drain gutter, that has plugged with dirt over the years. A conversation with a contractor suggested I remove it and simply cut a 6" channel into the concrete and fill it with decorative pebbles, as a transition from porch deck to pool deck. An idea I had not heard before, but the the gutter you show in tis video would be better, especially if it can be access for cleaning and debris removal. It is one option I am considering but still looking for others. Keep up the great work !
Check out this channel drain by a pool
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NDS states 4" of concrete is needed below the channel if cars are driving over it. Since this is in front of a garage, cars are probably going to driving over this installation.
Yes for sure. I've got channel drains that get big city F350 Duallys driving over them and no problems. My thought is 4" of concrete under the plastic channel is overkill because the plastic would break before the concrete. The plastic is the weak point and not the concrete under it.
@@GCFD is that to say you'd advise against the concrete below all together?
This is true.
@@GCFD Except that there could still be some flex in the soil under the drain, especially if water continues to compromise the channel (theoretically possible) or if the soil underneath is loosened up from digging and doesn't get re-compacted 100%. That's my theory behind 4"
Great video! How wide did you cut the channels and how deep for that 5" drain? Also have you put those in on asphalt driveways in front of garage doors? If so, how did that work out? What would you use to cut the asphalt? Thank you for sharing!
We usually cut them about 8" wide. Yes we've done them in asphalt too with no problems. We use concrete to go back around it in both cases. We use a demo saw with a concrete blade.
@@GCFD Thank you for the quick response! Yeah. I am thinking about cutting one in front of my garage. Driveway is sloped back there towards the garage. Gutters are fine. We are in New England so I think that would still work. Though it may all freeze up. But wouldn't be any worse off.
I have cut our tarmac / asphalt drive with a cheap diamond cutter blade in an angle grinder. It cut like a hot knife through butter 😎
I worked a recycling yard the stuff people toss is amazing that’s the only thing I miss got a brand new washer brand new for free the bikes they toss is unreel just about everything from fringes sinks you name tools what a shame .
👍 that saw has been working well and someone scrapped it!
No issues with vehicles driving over these? I know they flow water well, the just look flimsy with respect to vehicle travel.
I would of thought more water would be coming out of that pipe
In all my years using a floor saw I've never used it backwards,if you go forwards with it, you only have to guide it, the saw does the cutting and it pulls itself almost.....
Hahah In another video I talk about how I pulled this saw out of the recycling pile and the frame is bent. I tried cutting, straightening, and re-welding, but I didn't quite get it. The saw binds itself in the kerf going forward (like it is supposed to), but does work in reverse. Even though it's way more work to pull the saw I still haven't taken another shot at straightening the frame again.
@@GCFD I have watched that video, In the last week I think I have binge watched 30+ video's of yours on all sorts of stuff, mostly drainage as that's what I do a lot of here in the UK, our infrastructure here in the UK is set up to take all water away from the house,we do have flooding and whatnot, that's mother nature for you.
What kind of tape do you put over the channel drain?
Would a drain like this work in Minnesota? Frost heaves the cement driveway up so it has a small slope towards the garage doors and inside corner of house.
When that girl takes the camera i get a headache 🤣😂🤣
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I would've thought you would put cement under the drain. I thought that would be a requirement for cars to run over.
The pipe / fitting configuration at the first downspout looked mickey mouse. Could you have rolled it and used a street 90 to catch the downspout ?
It's possible. We were having a terrible time keeping it straight on the channel drain, keeping our fall, and getting it to look right. In the end it looked terrible (2 outta 3 ain't bad) and the customer put down some pine needles.
you seem to install minimum gravel on your drains and outlets with rip rap - appears to need stronger gravel bed to sustain the vehicle traffic
The weakest point is the plastic channel drain. Adding more gravel or concrete under the plastic won't make the plastic any stronger. We try to work intentionally.
Just wondering why did you choose to cut the concert vers just breaking it up with the jack hammer.
This concrete was brand new and so we wanted the straight line of a cut to help it look better when we finished.
Why no clean out at the gutter?
What type of service would perform this job? General contractor, concrete contractor, handyman, plumber, etc? TIA
When you get a chance can you name all the large equipment that was used in this project? Also is all this large equipment available to rent?
We used a concrete saw, and a trencher. Both available from rental companies. 👍
Thanks so much ❤️
what did it cost to do this
Sean, did the homeowner get their gutters cleaned?
I'm not sure. I talked to him about it and reiterated that my pipes would only work if the gutters are working. So I think he took care of it.
lol at 17:01 - my God, you'd think these "professionals" would have checked the gutters before work? Also, who cut those lines in the concrete?
How much does a job like this cost?
What is the ballpark for how much a job like this cost to have done? I have a similar situation. TIA
It depends on the current price of pipe. It went up by 25% in the last two weeks here.
How much does this cost per linear foot?
As a drain guy here in Dallas, im wondering why you did not follow the NDS guidelines that say go 4 inches on each side of the channel drain as well as 4 inches deep...all filled with cement?
I need you to come out to my house to give me some options on drainage for my pool patio. It meets the concrete at the back porch concrete and it pools there.
in oregon that wouldnt even pass code you have to use ABS not PVC i know your code is different. Really good prep but need better finishing work on the concrete! This looks more DIY Than professional. .
Thanks for commenting Josh! - Shawn
Those gutters would flow smoothly to the street if you caught the gutter water in a "sealed pipe from the gutters to the street...even if there was a 3 feet raise in elevation to the street. The secret is to capture the water into a sealed pipe from the gutter itself to the street...it must be a sealed pipe from the gutter to the street outlet..
Why is there never any reinforcement wire in any of the concrete you work with?
We have clay subsoils and no bentonite. We don't have much of a frost line and no subsurface water. Rebar is just not used in our area for nonstructural concrete. Weird, huh?
@@GCFD yes unlike Alabama that's for sure. Here almost everything that's concrete is reinforced with steel of some kind.
Why not use the real connectors for downspout to pipe so it doesn’t look so DIY?
I've thought about it but I like leaving them open for better venting and access if they ever need to be cleaned out. I do include the adapters if the customer requests them.
Man is there anything Fred Armisen can't do?
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Why pay more for that concrete when the concrete in the driveway is only 3500 psi.
Maybe the gutter was the root cause of the problem.
"...so we're going to fuck with this for a while, then get some concrete rolling in here...."
that drain is a man trap . Needs some bunting around it so someone doesn't kill themselves late on a moon less night !
For sure! They've called the city a few times but they won't fix it up. What a mess.
Why would any normal person fall into it? That would really be their fault for not paying attention. On nights with little moonlight human eyes normally adjust pretty quickly and you can see fine.
Did he say "fuck with it" at 10:09?
Great Information & work, BUT Please "learn to video your work" It looks like a kid is recording. Hire someone & get more Views...
Check out my latest videos Chris and let me know how I’ve done.