Exclusive Peek at Scientology's Former Hidden La Quinta Base
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- In late 1976, a new home for L. Ron Hubbard was needed since he had been discovered by the media in Florida. A secret location was purchased near La Quinta, California and Hubbard, his family and closest staff were relocated there. Stuart Moreau was one of those staff and he joins Mark Fisher and Janis Gillham Grady to take the viewers on a tour of the La Quinta location, known as Winter Headquarters or "W". Hubbard's home was called "Rifle".
The photo on the Thumbnail was taken at Rifle. Left to right is L. Ron Hubbard, Diana Hubbard holding her daughter Roanne Horwich, Jon Horwich, Arthur Hubbard, Suzette Hubbard and Mary Sue Hubbard. Family dinner in the Rifle Dining Room.
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Awesome video. I've not personally met many of these people except Claire and Sinar. Thank you all, and thank you too for not being negative about Scientology.
Our pleasure!
So nice to see intelligent ex Scientologist talk about their time with Hubbard or the Sea Org. with class and no drama!! Along with the great Jon Atak I could listen all day! Thank you for conversation! Love to see you all doing so well!!! 👏👏💯🥰
Glad you enjoyed it!
1:10:00 Congrats to Steve and Gail❤
1:08:52 onwards.....Whole bunch of really nice photos. Thanks so much.
Dan Koon invented the joke phrase that someone had done “The 111 Rundown” meaning they blew by running down Highway 111.
I think maybe that's I-10, (interstate 10).
OMG! Michael Silverman and I go WAY back, even to when he was the HGC Tech Services at the Toronto Org back in the 70's. This is the first I've heard of his passing. Awesome guy, good friend, and great magician.
I still have clients in La Quinta. Wonderful town now.
1:03:00 A tidbit good point on the Evap Systems for cooling, on a large scale, for a greenhouse, like the main huge glass windowed Greenhouse at Happy Valley, where the Int Base Kids Ranch was, and where the Int RPFers we did work there for years in the 1990s to early 2000s before Happy Valley was sold, the Evap System was build by Martin Habshied the Sea Org professionally trained (Graduate level German college educated farmer, off the charts smarter than anyone appreciated of him what all Martin H did on the Ranch, he was so unappreciated sadly). Martin built a massive Evap System that brought the summer time temp of this huge Greenhouse used for the Happy Valley Farm for the Int Base, to 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Really there is so much praise I could give of Martin's skills, he was a genuine fully trained pro German farmer. The Evap water cooling special HUGE sheet of paperlike material over which water was pumped, and then a huge series of blowers blowing the wet sheet worked unbelievably efficiently and well. Evaps cooling works really well. The Happy Valley ranch used a lot of electricity and were Sea Org to have continued using it, I'm sure Martin had he been left to do the right thing, would have built solar out there. But the ranch is sold now, all gone. There were some truly off the charts skilled persons who did a huge amount of productive things in Sea Org history.
1:06:48 ,,,,, that's sad Stu. Thankyou so much for just being normal citizen and telling history, It's clear you have deep respect for LRH mostly. Maybe it's been too much to ask for you Apollo era diehards to speak publicly, this Miscavige vicious era hopefully ends sooner than later. I"m a later era Sea Orger, but the Apollo vets and all those around LRH in his final years, truly were the role models I looked up. So thanks. There are just so many, mostly all Sea Orgers I looked up to, who the system grinds up, so many things ought be different about the Scientology practices framework and workings.
Even though I was AOLA crew 77-96, I know so many of these crew. Waldo, DR, CB and many others because of spending time on the PAC RPF 3x and 6 month stint at the CEO (Child Care Org).
I really appreciate the photos!! And the interviews of course. Thank you both.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing!!
19:47 Good old Bill Fosdick. Hope he is well and happy.
He is
1:07:44 what a dream come true it'd be to have DeDe tell some history, understatement.
The mug design is nice ❤
Not finished watching yet, but love all the new info. I am also struck by Stu's statement about how many levels of executives presided over an MAA. It became not the tech and policy that ruled, but a hierarchy of ... what eventually became Miscavige.
RIP Carmen❤
Mark - Michael had just turned 80 on the 7th. He passed on the 11th. Thank you for mentioning him. Also kudos to you and Janis getting these interviews done and preserving the stories.
You are welcome Cece
Thank you Mark and Janis. Love the new heart and arrows design.
Glad you like it!
👏👏👏 thank you! 🙏🏼 this was so interesting. Thank you for your consistency 💜💜⚖️ -whitness
Very good episode 🎉🎉🎉
1:06:00 mentions of Paul Davis and Sheldon Mousell. Wow!
1:07:33 Clarice Barnet, she'd be a gem to hear tell history, is she available to speak some? (When I was on the RPF the first time, I briefly in Jan 1988 maybe 89, not sure, was at the Happy valley RPF and both Annie Broeker was there and Sarge was there, and Clarice was the MAA on that time slot Int RPF which was out at Happy Valley, when I got there. Later, second time for me on the RPF in the late 1990s, around 2000 year mark, I thought the excellent excellent Joe Caneen researched and produced LRH tribute for the either 2000 LRH Birthday Event or the New Year's event, Joe did a truly off the charts excellent proper interview with a whole bunch of still in the Sea Org vets who told LRH stories, this LRH "Source" briefing story telling segment is likely never to see the light of day, due to the SPs in it today, LOL, but for people who love/loved LRH it was one of the best ever, Joe Caneen later on the RPF told me he was the main one getting that done, one of Joe's best things.). It is so dreadfully sad that Scientology cannot tell it's full unvarnished history from those that were with LRH in the final years, what a sad situation, but not for trying, as in Joe's effort there. Clarice I believe speaks her part in Joe's production on LRH about the Cine and Film stuff.)
Doesn't this beg the ultimate question(s) , why would the head of an international religious group need a place to hide and if so, what was Hubbard hiding from? We all know the answers.
Hey, please slow down and ID the people! I love to know the who's who, and get all the info on them. Rog Kernbach become the top INCOMM/computer Int Base guy, and might still be, at Gilman Springs/Int Base today. And knowing about the others, and Mike Douglas, those people and the details are nice to know. Hope they all don't mind. I for sure like to know all this.
Because then in later decades, us lower cogs who came along later, we ran into Leo Johnson, and Rog Kernbach, I crossed pathes with Steve Irwin, David Wilson, etc, etc, and then to myself later read all the LRH "advices" for the projects I did to read al the LRH orders for, LRH is blaring on and on about this or that, and then to know who was being scapegoated, etc, is good to then piece together.
In big actual historian level historian work, the research historians are INTO all those details, and try to tie in the people to the LRH orders and policies, etc, of the time, and just put the full historical context to those Hubbard "policy level" writings.
For example Hubbard finally, in the 1982 "Author Services Inc" "advices/orders" Hubbard says the very very very important statement that ought to just make a historian researcher jump out of their shoes and wish to select the one advice where LRH mentions "timeless tech."
"Timeless tech" ASI advice OUGHT to have been made public, because is is HUGE for the Scientologists to know LRH's intent to have his output to be combed through and have all the "timeless tech" selected out and made into issues.
which for instance, when I finally read the "timeless tech" advice, it kind of is so important, it is what a person normally does anyways, we all sift through all the Hubbard wordage and ourselves edit out what we each think important or useful of it.'
But to the compilers branch, in RTRC (Ron's Tech Research and Compilations unit under later Senior C/S Int unit in CMO Int later at Gilman) the "timeless tech" ASI advice was kind of the ultimate stable datum for the guidelines of WHAT all of the mountains of Hubbard advices and orders to then elevate into written issues for the various units. The ASI "timeless tech" comment turned into the whole 1980s "Compilations" and "Hats" projects at Gilman.
Very important, to name names, getting back to the point. I'm with you Stu!
Show and name names, because researchers way up the road who think like real historians will want to know the people and thus the context.
PLUS, how will later Scientology leaders know what to place more value in, vs the Miscavige era of interpretation, it's what they future riser uppers into the top ranks of Sea Org management will do themselves.
Hopefully all the LRH traffic isn't destroyed, I have my faith that the CST Archies site with Shelley living out her years there, that those guys aren't erasing any of the LRH full behind the scenes orders/advices, etc.
Even thought I am NOT a Scientologist, and think Hubbard is awful and wrong on some many points, the details of what he said, why, to whom, and the context, is important to later historians, etc.
Thus, this Peeling the Onion, and going into ALL events and people around Hubbard, giving everyone the space and time to tell their two cents and piece it all together, I truly enjoy and appreciate all Mark and Janis you guys are doing.
And those photos, they provide so much, like the facial expressions on everyone's faces, and Misavige's face, when he's just "The Kid" time slot, that is so good to see.
Excellent excellent show! Love you taking it slow, and milking this La Quinta for all you guys do. And hopefully it ushers in MORE of the La Quinta and Apollo vets to come on the show.
Chuck Beatty
later era paperpusher cult bureaucrat training dept Scientology/Sea Orger 75 to 03, and did a few projects where reading all the LRH traffic, mainly skimming over it and not really being expert in any of it, all your books, all your shows are truly a researcher historian's dream, please MORe photos and name names, and hopefully more people will speak up.
The design on the mug is very professional, artistic and clever.
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Thanks so much 😊
16:21 Circle K gas station/convenience store was too far to walk but Norman Starkey had his Stingray bike that he could ride to Circle K after work and buy his libations.
OMG, rip Norman too, I was the computer guy at ASI years later, when Norman took over ED ASI after Terry left, and Norman and Maria (think she's passed too) used to drive the ASI designated top staffer car, the Lexus, to work daily, and Norman asked me to come with them, I did for a spell, until Norman got pulled to Int and Misavige had him busted for some reason. LRH wrote an hilarious "advice" to ASI called "Pork Bellies" and I thought it was meant to do investing in Pork Bellies on the Chicago market, but no, "Pork Bellies" was about Norman's and Lyman Spurlock's actual bellies, LOL, how to diet them into shape, and that was probably around 1982 when "exercise time" went in with a "bang" for some, but the ASI staff always had the life, so many perks for ASI, to me it was too much. I was only at ASI 92 til 95, then decks, then 7 years on the RPF, then quit, finally.
It's very hard to get across to Scientologists why it is Miscavige acts so outrageously opulent, taking the ASI "million dollar" two advices literally. The LRH traffic to ASI just has to be made public, so the full Scientologists know what were LRH's behind the scenes wishes for things.
Not that I approve of even LRH's big strategic wishes, I think he wrote too much for the paperpusher managing part of the movement, and it's like a anchor around their necks, they are stuck with it now. Only way to not do all things like Hubbard ordered, is do like Miscavige is doing, but do it nicer, and drop MORE of what LRH's voluminous writings get into. The splinter Scientology groups, the "Ron's Orgs" and the defunct "Mayo Advanced Ability Center" at Santa Barbara, and the pre Mission Holders era of Missions with loads of Class 8 auditors, is the era to revert to, and just continue to let "upper management" of the 1980s era of LRH's final orders atrophy, fall apart.
Scientology is just not a big time thing, not everyone alive on earth will buy into the auditing of engrams into past lives and the exorcism/soul-freeing on OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7.
Ron's Orgs, or old Missions style is about as big as there is demand in the world. The world smells a rat with the Hubbard 'fair gaming" OSA/Old Guardian's Office era.
Just do the durned Hubbard quackery, those that want, and skip all the Hubbard gobs of punishment and skip all the management echelons, RTC, OSA, "Senior HCO Int" all the MAAing and the ethics officering, just throw al that out.
If people want to do past lives auditing, then just pick the Hubbard 1991 edition writings, all free no the internet, and just do it. Field Auditors and Ron's Orgs/Mission sized setups, and just do what the public wants. Stop all the gaudy dissemination, just drop all the Hubbard penalties, tell it like it is, and tell the world simply that Scientology is just auditing into past lives, and it's exorcism/soul-freeing of body thetans.
It ought not be shoehorned into people's heads, let the word know what it is, and then if they want to do it, then they honestly know what it is before coming doing it.
Chuck Beatty
ex 75 to 03
PS: If I had the power, I'd just make all the LRH originals public, just let all Scientologists wade through everything LRH wrote. Let the public decide what of it all they want to do, or not.
@@chuckbeattyoOh, Lyman, RIP. Oh, Carol, wish all the best for you.
1:10:50 Ditto. Waldo could beat anyone while appearing to just be out for a stroll.
Also the best table tennis, even while drunk.
One word LRH didn't use, but which applies to the difference between the Hubbard various eras of the Dianetics/Scientology decades even when Hubbard was alive, vs the bigger slower downturn to even more nasty ludicrous continuing MIscavige era of Scientology. The word is "norms".
Reading a very important book, is the book titled "Astounding: John W. Campbell, Isaac Asimov, Robert A. Heinlein, L. Ron Hubbard, and the Golden Age of Science Fiction Hardcover - 17 December 2018".
The "norms" for Dianetics followers in the early days was different as the 1950s ended, with Hubbard Jnr escaping, LRH then clamped down with "sec checking" craziness, which I don't think really fully caught on widespread everywhere in the movement, hit and miss.
Then the "norms" of the 50s hardened up in the 1960s and really hardened mid 1960s with KSW!
Then really fanatical at times, early Sea Org.
There's the public "norms" and then the Sea Org norms and the various Mission/Franchise norms were the likely sanest, until the Missions were all demolished.
The Hubbard writings private behind the scenes did harden things up, and Hubbard's wrath sprinkled into so many of the final writings, kind of were worsened during now the Miscavige era of "norms."
Older "norms" are just not re-obtainable, due I think to the boxed in nature of all of LRH's final years harder writings for things.
But there are always Hubbard "lost tech" loopholes for the future leaders, once Miscavige is gone from the empire.
In the meantime, I keep harping for taking note of what the splinter Scientologists are doing, what their "norms" are, which are quite less hard than Hubbard's final wishes. But the splinter Scientologists even though they "violate" countless Hubbard final policies and orders, they still behave nicer and more sane than the final setup Hubbard ordered.
It's a long range deeper pickle to solve, how to revert to a nicer era of norms, and strip back things. Not an easy task, Miscavige has to leave the scene, and I say personally just release ALL of CST/Archives' LRH corpus, all writings, all lectures, just get it all out free, and go from there with what the public wants of Scientology. The demand for the Hubbard "tech" honestly isn't there in the world, so things have to be stripped back to how Ron's Org and how the old Mayo ACC setup was, or even drop all the way back to PAB (Professional Auditors Bulletin) era of "Field Auditor" Scientology, and go from there, based on the public's demand.
This whole marketing and dissemination decades is kind of what Scientology's distrusted and factually comes across like a big long con.
If the spiritual pseudo-therapy "auditing" into past lives is just left to stand on it's own two feet, let the public decide if they want this. And the exorcism/body-thetans freeing, just let it be known what it is, and let the public decide if they want it or not.
The whole full Hubbard package of how to run the operation doesn't get to the crux issue. If you tell someone what the product is, accurately, they then have a straight honest footing with your operation, and then they can decide if they want to come devote their time and money to receive your product or not. This is I feel the deepest problem which is why now I know what Scientology is, finally, I'm not a customer. But we're a freedom of religion country, and people who do think past lives therapy will do them good, or who think exorcism of invisible souls infesting our human bodies will be beneficial, fine, then Scientology has procedures to do this.
Lots of good thinking in there Chuck. You have always been conscientious in your thinking. Your one "cat" that won't be killed through your curiosity.
@@OneCharmedLife I was always curious what all the smarter more devoted people's thoughts were who were day to day with Hubbard in his final decade of life, and earlier too, of course. But his on the lam years in the end, really began in the 1960s to the end, from "About Rhodesia" to the end. I'll have to now re-read the great critical books, all of them, and see what the smart writers and journalists all wrote.
One thing, when I re-read all the books, there are overviews made by those outside writers who summarize it so well. The long list of books from the 1950s all the way to Wright's book, have some curiosity satisfying conclusions though, which almost cured me of keeping on being curious for more inner thoughts and details of those around Hubbard upclose. I mean, who wouldn't like to read Pat Broeker's book or listen to interviews of his life around Hubbard, etc?
I'm still a sucker for details and people's thoughts and observations.
Hubbard had been recruited by British Intelligence around 1927 and they groomed him for The Spy Game. He was useful and talented as a lone wolf operative and they got him into college to improve his Navy Brat education. He had an angle on Freudianism and OHASPE material... which was part of an agenda from the old German Psychologists of the 1880's. Commander Joseph 'Snake' Thompson was his mentor and friend who had been trained by Freud. Hubbard was pushed into Princeton and wrote magazine articles that had an agenda to get the Isolationist USA back into the fold of the British Empire Agenda. LRH was extremely well connected to the top intelligence heads. They saw his charm value. Hubbard wrote a PHD-type document after his personal research in cellular phenomena and he came up with a radical knew theory model to address the soul of man. (Obviously he had an informal insider education in psychology and the esoteric streams where it had value to the British agenda). So, by 1935 Hubbard was writing profusely and ended up under the domain of John W Campbell. (a former relative of mine) who was secretly an intelligence officer. He was Hubbard's controller to some extent. Hubbard wrote stories and articles to get the mass public into the idea of superhumans and science fiction becoming science fact. This was to offset the influence of communism and fascism that was building in the USA before the war. Hubbard's father was then a naval officer connected to the ONR and by default under the aegis of ONI. Hubbard was ordered to join the Explorers Club after doing a spy mission to Ketchikan in Alaska to search for a (German) Spy Ring using the radio station. The Explorers Club was used by the navy secret agents. They kept their anonymity that way instead of joining the regular Navy. Hubbard undertook missions overseas and had to create cover-stories as standard. (If he was so useless, then he would not have been sent on so many missions). I have a personal testimony from a dead person who had absolute proof that Hubbard attended spy school in England around 1943 and undertook at least two missions into Occupied France. Hubbard was very aware of the threat of atomic bombs since he was a George Washington University with the Buck Roger's Boys. Hubbard had access to some top secret facilities and intelligence reports. One does not get invited to view the COLOSSUS (and ENIAC) computer at Bletchley Hall without high clearance. Former spies wrote about meeting the red-head yank with impossible tales of his exploits. General Montgomerie lived near Saint Hill Manor in Tunbridge Wells and he stated that he knew of LRH as a cloak & dagger man during the war. Saint Hill was secretly a place for spies to be trained and briefed and recuperate. Likewise The Apollo was a ship that Hubbard knew well since the D-Day Landings where Hubbard was on a special mission to recover Army Documents from Rouen German HQ. He did the same in Rhodesia for British Intelligence. (I met the officer involved). So, the Science Fiction scene in NYC was not just there for fun. They influenced America to become a nation ready for wars. (And make trillions from weaponisation and manufacturing). Hubbard later realised the dark path these people were going down so he resigned his naval commission in 1947 and commenced DIANETICS with the approval of the CIA (former OSS). In 1967 LRH exposed these dark forces and they did their best to destroy LRH and his work ever since. Today, America and others use the evil electronic implanting and control that Hubbard warned us against in the 1950's. They have to make sure that no-one uses the good tech to free people from the evils of the slavemasters. Luckily, we now face a whole new spiritual awakening and the arrival of Galactic Federation ships here on and near Earth at this point of crisis and they will oversee the transformation to the higher dimensions. Hubbard had known about this to some extent with his lifelong contact with his "Guardian Angel". Many OTs are aware of this. We witnessed miraculous OT phenomena at Saint Hill when the first people were undergoing NOTS. We had UFO's and beings visiting us as it had attracted the attention of a lot of the other galactic civilisations. I had been a scientologist for over 20 years and loads of documentary reading.
@@nullarborjack I have changed my thoughts and believe currently in the Buddhist explanation of the soul/conscious self, which is that it is a not a separate thing. Am studying the recent last several decades new translations of the Pali Canon. I don’t believe in the conspiratorial narrative of Hubbard being either a British intel operative or a US intel operative. I’ve read in recent years too many books by actual legit non-flakey US ex CIA and NSA persons and am reading one Brit intel history book at the moment. I’d advise Scientologists to switch religions. But I can understand that some don’t wish to.
Where's Shelly?
@kerryvanlouwe5884 likely working on the Archival project
30:51 Jim Dincalci and Nancy Rhodes Dincalci’s final berthing was in one of the stables.
1:06:48 "On the BAD LIST...." This is a little sad, but very predictable. One thing I remember about you, Stu, was that you didn't swallow all the BS, or go crazy about it. That was something I admired. You say it's a great religion, it's done something amazing for lasting 75 years, yet you've been out of it for 40 years, voluntarily stayed away, and you're still saying it's great as long as you don't mind being disconnected. If you still believe, why have you stayed away from it so long? You're OT3, and also the older versions up to OT7. You've theoretically fixed everything wrong with you for the last seventy-five million years. You could go back and help sell the con to others, if it's so great. I think it sounds like you're due for a big realization about life and con jobs, and I hope your family doesn't disconnect. You've probably got grand kids now?
Someone here mentioned Dan Koon, and I'm sure lots of people liked him. But one thing: He stayed at least twenty years after he knew it was all BS, and probably wouldn't have minded staying and keeping on with the con, if he hadn't personally been mistreated. Gary Wiese was pure psycho. If he's still there I pity him. You at least read the writing on the wall long ago, Stu. (Sue Koon, I recall, advised you to get out; she's now stayed there a very very long time). Did it bother you, getting kicked out, when you took pride in getting on good with the old man, and getting stuff done, and also being easy to get along with? Would you have wanted to have another chat with LRH before you left, so you could speak up for yourself? How about you, Janis? One more sit-down with LRH to straighten out anything you may have not been able to? Disconnection is a shitty evil way to make more money for the church. All those people who don't get the chance to straighten things out.
Anybody here who has unlimited whole track recall and can exteriorize with full perception at will to Venus or Mars, please raise your hand!! ....Anybody??........ I remember you, Stu, being OT enough to stay out of the RPF in '78, when almost everyone else was going in. But I'll bet that any OT abilities you have, you already had before getting in to scientology. One thing I realized in the Sea Org: If you want to become a big senior executive in scientology, it helps to be pscho and have a great urge to punish everyone. (DM, Gary Wiese, Captain Bill, Marty, etc.)
Good memories of Joanie singing Muleskinner blues, the song about " I don't know if cowboys going to heaven". Good memories of Janis diving and swimming at Palms, and telling the rpf men not to pee on only the one tree, it was getting smelly. Loved Dede and Gail, CB. Roger Kernbach. Didn't care for Doe, but she was nice to look at. Leo was great. When is Tez gonna come on for a chat? I didn't know them well, but the Hartwell's were, if you think about it, heroes, in their honesty. LRH dressed as Colonel Sanders, and was a giant amongst liars. Paul Davis edited tape lectures, took out coughs and foul language, and added words to make tapes more politically correct. Lois is a great beauty. I hope CB gets out, I'd love to hear her interview, or Claire's. I asked Waldo once how good he was at tennis. He said he was maybe 300th best in the world rating of pros. This was not long after the Bobby Riggs/Billie Jean King match. I asked him how he would do against Billie Jean, the No. 1 woman tennis player in the world, and he said he'd beat her easy. Muff was a good guy, I was sad to find out recently that he was still lapping his bowl clean. I bet he has the same problem as Stu with threatened disconnection. There was an old guy, don't remember his name, who had been a cook in the army. He cooked for LRH for a while. Nice chubby dog named Chelsea.
VW 'Thing' was the Nazi version of the US Willys jeep during World War 2. Marketed as the "Thing" in the U.S. during the 1970's. 120 degrees is a bit of an exaggeration for WHQ. TV shows at meal times: Later on the show of choice was The Incredible Hulk reruns. Very light entertainment, and the commercials were all for toys for little boys.
Janis, I left all my current odd thoughts for you to enjoy. Hope you like them.
Great comment and lots of more memories! Thanks. I did enjoy reading this. When are you going to contact me and be interviewed - so much knowledge being wasted.
1:07:54 Gail Irwin. It's an understatement to say how important her memories would be to put down for historians of Sea Org and Hubbard history. Is Gail the sister of Gary? (I was a newbie Sea Orger at Flag in Clearwater all those years of LRH on the lam, but knew snippets from who "went over the rainbow" and so forth over the years. WDC starting was a big deal, all understandable, but the Scientology public kind of soured on all that loss of their prior connection they all had had as older timer Scientologists who had known LRH at Saint Hill and earlier, now with the WDC layer, even though when I got my first WDC responses to dispatches or questions I asked them, I felt no dire hard ass-ness from whichever it was who was my WDC overseer, I got a despatch with the little cute sticker of "here's your hat back" on it, LOL. The old days of paper despatches from senior management, it was understood most of WDC were the CMO grown up now, and I vaguely knew CMO Int and WDC were ordered to do the OEC where you guys all were up at La Quinta when you did your study time, I presume.
Yes, Gale is the sister of both Gary and Dede.
1:07:47 Claire there is alive, I wonder how much water has to pass under the bridge, before it is allowed for her to tell history. DR is passed. While I was on the "routing forms" project in 1983, he briefly helped Carol Titus out on some things. IN the late 1970s, DR "came down" to the Flag Land Base, to do a pilot mission running some of the pre KTL and pre LOC "tech" steps, like DR ran the project on our "admin" trainees, via me course sup for them, on the "Debug Tech" and there were a whole bunch of other project missions run into the OEC admin trainees, even earlier you Janis ran our unit on the "Oscar Program" training for "returning vets" the LRH idea to retrieve and train ex Apollo era Sea Org vets to come back and get in the Sea Org again, LOL. Someday Janis all your years of projects you ran, when you get to them in your books, I will gladly pipe in what i remember.
56:00 How did Ernie and Adele not remember about the backside entrance to the properties? Weird.
Stu, Christianity has been around for over 2000 years. Our leader had no home and no wealth.
Gary Wiese is still there!?!?!
Gary's a pretty solid diehard. When I was on the Happy Valley RPF either 97 or 98, one CSP slot he somehow came from his Maintenance Man berthing hovel he and Carmen lived in, this was like 1998 one random CSP period, and he came walking down the RPF road on the Happy Valley ranch, like he was just taking a walk.
Older timer vets, would do things like they would just take their CSP time to take a stroll even at Happy Valley, and he happened almost upon the RPF trailers, LOL, and he dutifully turned around, that was when Kenny Campelman was our Happy Valley Security Guard. Kenny was of Apollo chill era, just wasn't any kind of hard ass Security person like the next later RTC dominated security Int Base era.
Fricking eras and changes, and the mentality of people who had been around Hubbard, to me, all of you guys on LRH's lines had your own role model effects on some us, on me you guys all did. Freer minded persons, chiller.
Gary Wiese wasn't on the Apollo but he was around all those LRH films early making, and was a solid person pre being in the Sea Org so already was a competent doer in life, he didn't need orders.
@@chuckbeattyo Thanks, Chuck. Yeah, I remember Gary was apprenticing as Director under R and Carmen was “Script Girl”. Today that would be “Script Supervisor.”
@@chuckbeattyo Wow. Thanks for the insights, Chuck.