The scrolls have probably been buffed accidentally in removing all the white runes from the rotations, therefore shrinking the amount that needs to appear.
I think it's more now that the white green my bad idk why I thought blue* rune slots are open its removed out of the pool so there's more chances for scrolls etc.
That makes sense. If you notice, theres an increase of monsters in the store too so reducing the chances in the rune category probably gave an efficient boost to the other categories
Honestly I buy silver two stars too as materials, but when shop refreshing I almost never take them cause it takes too much time (and I'd run out of space quickly if I did) It sounds dumb, but when shop refreshing you're already in a mindset where you're losing crystals and mana cause you just want to summon, you're not thinking about efficiency that much, so you don't want to spend too much time buying two stars (with the pop up message and the loading time), cause you just want to summon
@@MrTmb64 that may be how you do it... Don't speak for everyone else tho. That's wack. I'm sorry you waste so much for no reason other than being in a "summoning mindset". And yes, you're correct, it is absolutely dumb af.
@@gabesawesome5766 Most of us are drowning in US from farming dungeons. You sound dumb as fuck for getting so mad at someone who said most people dont buy the two star mobs. He's right. Most of us buy Leg runes, ld and ls pcs or ms. Nothing else. Ever.
@@gabesawesome5766 It is not dumb, it is just another type of mental issue. The farmers are like the perfectionist OSD type while summoners are kind of addicted.
Inspired me to try it on my account which was made at the start of the street fighter event so I am pretty happy with the results! Start 5,067,000 mana / 5254 crystal 6* Will Epic Rune [6] HP 51 Silver 2* 6 Mystic 25 Stones 6* Endure Epic Rune [6] HP 6* Vio Epic Rune [6] ATK 3 Fairy 10 Lego Bits 6* Energy Legendary Rune [4] DEF 5 LD Bits END: 1,465,000 Mana / 5,000 crystal
Make a channel called skippy bagel where you put all of your "trash content" that doesn't make the cut, that way you don't waste your time making the content, and we still get to see all of the bagel rants
seriously jewbagel still having fun after so many years gives me such a calming feeling that he will always create content and it seems like its not stopping anytime soon!
4:08 whoopsie :D The rates do look much better, this is a very welcomed change, always liked to refresh shop for some reason. It's like a gacha within a gacha.
@@raymondkim5711 a premium pack costs 750 crystals for 11-12 mystical scrolls. You can spend the same amount of crystals on the Magic Shop, and while you may get less scrolls on average, you also get a handful of rollable runes and summoning pieces for legendary scrolls or L/D scrolls. It is more of a net value, even if rng causes you to get 4 runes of pure resistance.
@@sonofdeleniel007 yeah but that is also all rng. Who knows, you can summon 110 ld scrolls like me and get no lightning. I guess that same applies to the shop. It all rng. What I am saying is, if you are willing to spend a heck ton of mana and apply rng into this matter, go ahead. I'm just saying that it is not always 100 percent efficient
@@spiritualfoxplays-tryhardp2284 lol honestly so true but players like me aren't fully committed to the rune farming part of the game. We are just willing to use our crystals to mass up as much summon as possible
This isn't just the MS trick anymore, it's more like a progression trick. I did this and I got 3 legend runes you would think came from the event. It's insane.
I have a feeling that there are more scrolls due to the fact that they removed items from the rotation, making it to where you would see more of what was already there. White and green runes were common before so they removed some really common items from rotation.
@@JesterMotley No, it's 3 crystals per refresh, so that makes it 150 crystals/scroll as opposed to 68 crystals/scroll with the pack. But it's not statistically significant anyway, a larger sample is needed.
I love that bagel buys Legendary scroll parts with the free-2-win account which summon 4* or 5*'s which he can't use instead of summoning stones which summon 3*'s which he can use
I mean, if you're taking out all the white and green runes which came in 3-6* flavors that's a lot of empty space to fill. Obviously they'll fill it with the mons, the stones, the unknown scrolls, and more of the runes they did keep in the shop; but it doesn't hurt them to throw in some extra mysticals into the mix. Edited for a typo
Thank you for this video. It has information about runes; which is still an issue for me. (On what to keep and what to toss) Keep up the great work and info!!
I never stopped doing this, started after your original video, and the rate was majorly buffed comparably. I still got good runes but today’s session on my account was awesome too.
I know that old video because it was the first vid I watched you JewBagel. I wanted to know how to get more scrolls back then. A few years later and here we are. Keep it coming mr. Bagel
Lol mostly nowadays it's shame for not doing enough rune farming. Which is completely fair lol keep up the good work. Your videos have helped me out alot
Just opened a mystical scroll and got a blessing and I chose water woosa instead of water slayer and I’m so happy I got a woosa as my first nat 5 because it’s one oh favorite monsters
Tried it out. dident really get any decent 6 star runes from like 200 crystals. but got 5 LD pieces and it made 50/50 pieces, and i got a god damn NIGONG! holy daaaaaammmmnnn!
When did they nerf shop refresh rates? I've been doing it for years since you made that one video and I always get more mystical per crystals worth compared to premium pack.
either on here or on the ld only account, could you build the dark low elemental for the memes? i can understand if resources need to be put to use on other things though, but im still sad they arent giving the light low elemental, since it has the highest attack out of all of them
Ok that's cool. Now, when are they buffing the dimensional energy recharge rate or the 2a xp we gain per run or at least reduce the price of the dimensional energy
yea, i noticed this after patch 6.0.8 i needed 5 more pieces for an ld scroll (took 500 crystals btw.... thank god i dont farm LOL) and i got 5 mystical scrolls in like...... 15 refreshes.
I had over 20k crystals so I figured I'd try burning 1000 just to see what happened. I was able to get tons of white 2* mons as food (maxxed out both storages), got 50 Legendary Scroll pieces, 20 light and dark pieces, 40 or so Exclusive Summon stones, and 16 Mystical Scrolls. Not a bad trick if you have crystals to spare LOL
I shop refresh a few times a day (3-15, I'd guess?) and nearly always get at LEAST one MS, plus the other scroll pieces, scamstones, & runes. In general, I still feel like, for me (esp on my alt acct), shop refreshes garner me more scrolls than premium packs. However, that's been true even before the update.
Wow, I only spent like 50 crystals doing a few refreshes and I got: 2 Mystical Scrolls, 2 5x Light Dark Summoning Pieces, 1 5x Legendary Summoning Piece. Da fuck.
Just summon 10 unknown scrolls and power up a monster with a power up circle 4-6 times until you get confident that it's going to spark then summon a mystical scroll. Use at least 3 works just about every time lightning sometimes 2👍🤞🖖😁
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I think that if you can go 40 to 70 normal summons without lighting (3* summons) then your chances of summoning lightning increases for ms scrolls. That's how I got 2 nat 4*'s from 11 ms scrolls. The ms summons counts towards normal summons, but using hearts and normal scrolls get's the easy/cheap lightning reroll chance/rate/percentage.
I did a few refreshes last week and got 13 mysticals in 350 crystals or so. Just did a bunch of refreshes today and only a few. RNG is RNG. Got some nice runes though.
This is the same reason that rich people are rich.... Because they don't "waste" money or in sw mana. So idk why you're putting it into quotes. That's literally how you make a lot of money /mana, you're smart when it comes to spending it. Fuckin duh.
For 570ish crystals I got: 10 mystics, 25 ld pieces, 20 legendary pieces, 4 decent legendary runes, 2 good epic runes. Totaled at like 5.5 million mana. Way better than a premium pack lol
I don't know if you are extremely lucky with the ms or if I'm extremely unlucky. I don't feel like the chance got buffed. I'm also not even getting halfway good runes. All of them are blue 5* or worse. And I am actually someone who was refreshing the shop even before it got buffed, so its not like I don't know what I'm talking about. Well, maybe next time. Hopefully
It might be better, but don't refresh 1000 crystals for runes/scrolls if you don't have good rune efficiency. 1/3 of the runes from dungeons are worth at least rolling +6.
I had good rng aswell with scrolls on 500 crystals my assumption is they didnt buff it but instead the drop table slot was shared with the bad runes ... now that they dint exist expect a shadow nerf on the shop
I legitimately did 300 crystals got 6 scrolls and pulled a dupe pungbeak....its definitely an improvement..nat 5 is luck for sure but I got the same results
Mmm i think they did not, but the took codes out meaning runes green and white meaning more space to choose from without lowering the rates again of the mythical showing up , at least that is how i would do it and end up happening unintentionally
Whenever i wanted to summon and waste crystals i refreshed shop, its consistently been better than buying a pack but you need mana, dont think its ever been nerfed
The scrolls have probably been buffed accidentally in removing all the white runes from the rotations, therefore shrinking the amount that needs to appear.
That would be hilarious but I don't think that com2us would make a stupid mistake like that
I think it's more now that the white green my bad idk why I thought blue* rune slots are open its removed out of the pool so there's more chances for scrolls etc.
That makes sense. If you notice, theres an increase of monsters in the store too so reducing the chances in the rune category probably gave an efficient boost to the other categories
@@revi925 apparently you don't know com2us XD
As someone who buys all silver 2*s as materials, this video hurt me right in the efficiency.
Honestly I buy silver two stars too as materials, but when shop refreshing I almost never take them cause it takes too much time (and I'd run out of space quickly if I did)
It sounds dumb, but when shop refreshing you're already in a mindset where you're losing crystals and mana cause you just want to summon, you're not thinking about efficiency that much, so you don't want to spend too much time buying two stars (with the pop up message and the loading time), cause you just want to summon
@@MrTmb64 that may be how you do it... Don't speak for everyone else tho. That's wack. I'm sorry you waste so much for no reason other than being in a "summoning mindset". And yes, you're correct, it is absolutely dumb af.
@@gabesawesome5766 Most of us are drowning in US from farming dungeons. You sound dumb as fuck for getting so mad at someone who said most people dont buy the two star mobs. He's right. Most of us buy Leg runes, ld and ls pcs or ms. Nothing else. Ever.
@@gabesawesome5766 It is not dumb, it is just another type of mental issue. The farmers are like the perfectionist OSD type while summoners are kind of addicted.
no different than people having 100s of unknown scrolls, which is something that almost everyone does
Inspired me to try it on my account which was made at the start of the street fighter event so I am pretty happy with the results!
Start 5,067,000 mana / 5254 crystal
6* Will Epic Rune [6] HP
51 Silver 2*
6 Mystic
25 Stones
6* Endure Epic Rune [6] HP
6* Vio Epic Rune [6] ATK
3 Fairy
10 Lego Bits
6* Energy Legendary Rune [4] DEF
5 LD Bits
END: 1,465,000 Mana / 5,000 crystal
Lego bits lmao
Make a channel called skippy bagel where you put all of your "trash content" that doesn't make the cut, that way you don't waste your time making the content, and we still get to see all of the bagel rants
I like bagel rants so this is a quality idea 😌👌
seriously jewbagel still having fun after so many years gives me such a calming feeling that he will always create content and it seems like its not stopping anytime soon!
4:08 whoopsie :D
The rates do look much better, this is a very welcomed change, always liked to refresh shop for some reason. It's like a gacha within a gacha.
If you ever think about buying premium packs and have mana lying around, do shop refreshes. Much more efficient.
No its more risky and costs way more mana. Unless you are willing to risk and are willing to waste 1.5-2 mil mana go ahead XD
@@raymondkim5711 a premium pack costs 750 crystals for 11-12 mystical scrolls. You can spend the same amount of crystals on the Magic Shop, and while you may get less scrolls on average, you also get a handful of rollable runes and summoning pieces for legendary scrolls or L/D scrolls. It is more of a net value, even if rng causes you to get 4 runes of pure resistance.
Man, just use it on energy to and farm 😂
@@sonofdeleniel007 yeah but that is also all rng. Who knows, you can summon 110 ld scrolls like me and get no lightning. I guess that same applies to the shop. It all rng. What I am saying is, if you are willing to spend a heck ton of mana and apply rng into this matter, go ahead. I'm just saying that it is not always 100 percent efficient
@@spiritualfoxplays-tryhardp2284 lol honestly so true but players like me aren't fully committed to the rune farming part of the game. We are just willing to use our crystals to mass up as much summon as possible
I did that while you are doing in the video and I actually got a Legendary 6* Swift rune, slot 3 but still really nice, no flat stats.
When you did this in the so last video I genuinely thought “Bagel stop going so fast you’re gonna miss something” and then that violent happened. T_T
To be statistically relevant, you'd want to repeat that experiment around 30 times to get a sample size large enough to make some good inferences.
nooooo BAGEL WHAT HAVE U DONE
now its gonna get nerfed again like back when you showed us the first time T^T
Right? I was really mad about that cuz hes the one who was loud about that. Anyway. Still love jews and bagels
I can confirm that after 25 refreshes on Europe server, I have 0 MS Bagel took ALLLLLL the RnG
@@jonny7275 75 refreshes, got 5x legend pieces and 1 MS. Didn't even see any scam stones
I've got like 10 MS after 300 refresh, better spam before late.
7ms after 22 refreshes
Another UA-camrs SW : clearing toa hell
Bagel : sharing ms trick
Me : yeah, let's go refresh magic shop
Love the vids Bagel. I did a thousand gem refresh and got 23 scrolls, and 55 leg pcs. A few runes also.
This isn't just the MS trick anymore, it's more like a progression trick. I did this and I got 3 legend runes you would think came from the event. It's insane.
Did this trick like an hour ago and got water druid!!! Awesome as always Bagel. Keep it up!!!!
I have a feeling that there are more scrolls due to the fact that they removed items from the rotation, making it to where you would see more of what was already there. White and green runes were common before so they removed some really common items from rotation.
toa hell is really on a whole other level
I think I rather just spend 99.99 on a pack than do the TOA HELL but thats just me
@@jdecke11 lol true
just did 49, got 1ms. so rng is still a thing :P
at 1ms per 50 refresh, that's 15ms per 750 crystals, or a net of 3-4ms over the pack.
@@JesterMotley No, it's 3 crystals per refresh, so that makes it 150 crystals/scroll as opposed to 68 crystals/scroll with the pack. But it's not statistically significant anyway, a larger sample is needed.
@@JesterMotley my point I guess was that luck is luck and I didn't have any
And I mathed wrong... my bad, and y'all right on both accounts, math wrong and need better sample.
I love that bagel buys Legendary scroll parts with the free-2-win account which summon 4* or 5*'s which he can't use instead of summoning stones which summon 3*'s which he can use
The nostalgia is flooding back
I mean, if you're taking out all the white and green runes which came in 3-6* flavors that's a lot of empty space to fill. Obviously they'll fill it with the mons, the stones, the unknown scrolls, and more of the runes they did keep in the shop; but it doesn't hurt them to throw in some extra mysticals into the mix.
Edited for a typo
Thank you for this video. It has information about runes; which is still an issue for me. (On what to keep and what to toss) Keep up the great work and info!!
He has alot of videos about runes
that 4:11 face tho. 😂
my heart got hurt to that refresh. 😆
Bagel gotta get over his no-stones habit. Now they're 2.5x more efficient.
Cost of stones is 48000. Times 10 is 480000 for a 3 star vs 148000 for a mystical. Not efficient
just because they're better than they were before doesn't mean they are good to buy. I only buy them if I'm a couple away from a summon
2:30 allways buy legendary runes if they have speed, it may be a +30
I never stopped doing this, started after your original video, and the rate was majorly buffed comparably. I still got good runes but today’s session on my account was awesome too.
I know that old video because it was the first vid I watched you JewBagel. I wanted to know how to get more scrolls back then. A few years later and here we are. Keep it coming mr. Bagel
So I didn’t get as many scrolls as you did, but ended up pulling a Bastet with them. Is she worth building a second copy of since I already have one?
I just did this & I only got 1 mystical scroll! But I did get some pretty decent tunes that I needed though! Thank you for the tip!
Lol mostly nowadays it's shame for not doing enough rune farming. Which is completely fair lol keep up the good work. Your videos have helped me out alot
Just opened a mystical scroll and got a blessing and I chose water woosa instead of water slayer and I’m so happy I got a woosa as my first nat 5 because it’s one oh favorite monsters
Only the ogs remember the 200 crystal for 11 mystical scrolls
Pepperidge farm remembers.
Amen
18:28 how does bagel have a water feature on the bottom island? I bought all 6 and mine does not look like that
Thanks Bagel^^ Your vids are a great help!
Get your shop refreshes in for broken amount of summons now while you can before Com2us sees this and “fixes” it
I pulled a Vanessa today, and right after I pulled a Jager. Today is a good day.
Ooohhh this is gonna be a good one. I can feel it in my bones🌝😂
Tried it out. dident really get any decent 6 star runes from like 200 crystals. but got 5 LD pieces and it made 50/50 pieces, and i got a god damn NIGONG! holy daaaaaammmmnnn!
Chances are, if you go fishing for a fluke, you might just catch one.
-Kevin Malone
When did they nerf shop refresh rates? I've been doing it for years since you made that one video and I always get more mystical per crystals worth compared to premium pack.
2:20 he was going to say “aww fuk it”
either on here or on the ld only account, could you build the dark low elemental for the memes? i can understand if resources need to be put to use on other things though, but im still sad they arent giving the light low elemental, since it has the highest attack out of all of them
I love your long videos!
Ok that's cool. Now, when are they buffing the dimensional energy recharge rate or the 2a xp we gain per run or at least reduce the price of the dimensional energy
14:22 Copper comes into the picture and looks at the disappearing crystals.
17:58 - This is what Bagel searches when he's on the hub
No way, yesterday (Oct. 28th) i refreshed the shop for 500 kristals and got like: 3x stones, 1xlegy pieces, 2x ld pieces and like 5/6 ms .......
i watched djkjk refresh shop with a few thousand crystals last night and he got some amazing stuff as well.
I did it too and got in 500 crystals 6 mysticals. But at least a leo out of one, so I am satisfied.
They got rid of the white and green runes, so naturally you’ll get more of (X).
Sees Bagel get a eff ton of MS, burns 300 crystals, gets 2 MS
The magic shop does give a lot more mistycals than the premium. 750 Crystal's worth a pack would get you around 20-30 mysricals or more.
your results are definitely atypical
TOA Hell is hell to complete cant even get past the first wave of the first floor.
Id be willing to bet they just removed the white and green runes from the drop pool. Which unintentionally increased the drop rate of everything else
give us back the 2.5x speed rune upgrade 'glitch' devs!
Bagel The pioneer of rune shaming found
Ya I personally have noticed the increase in scrolls myself. I got like 5 within 80 crystals not too long ago trying to get a 5 L/D scroll piece.
I did 1000 crystals as well and got 17 MS, 25 leg scroll pieces and 40 LD pieces plus 5 useful for me runes
I bought some and am now the proud owner of 3 water snipers thanks c2us
Yeah man, I just refreshed for about 350ish crystals and got 11 mysticals.
damn
Just tested until I got 1 ms. It took 18 crystals to get a ms, a purple swift 6* 3 slot with speed, and 5 legend pieces.
I refreshed along but only got like one scroll haha. You where so lucky detective bagel 😇
once i got 5-8 legendary scroll pieces in a row from a shop
you defenetly buffed it
I love refreshing my shop
yea, i noticed this after patch 6.0.8 i needed 5 more pieces for an ld scroll (took 500 crystals btw.... thank god i dont farm LOL) and i got 5 mystical scrolls in like...... 15 refreshes.
Bagel would our crystals still be better spent on refreshes tho?
Did 50 refreshes, got 7 MS, 10 LD pieces, 10 leg pieces, 2 legendary 6* runes (slot 1 shield, slot 5 blade)
I had over 20k crystals so I figured I'd try burning 1000 just to see what happened. I was able to get tons of white 2* mons as food (maxxed out both storages), got 50 Legendary Scroll pieces, 20 light and dark pieces, 40 or so Exclusive Summon stones, and 16 Mystical Scrolls. Not a bad trick if you have crystals to spare LOL
I shop refresh a few times a day (3-15, I'd guess?) and nearly always get at LEAST one MS, plus the other scroll pieces, scamstones, & runes. In general, I still feel like, for me (esp on my alt acct), shop refreshes garner me more scrolls than premium packs. However, that's been true even before the update.
Wow, I only spent like 50 crystals doing a few refreshes and I got: 2 Mystical Scrolls, 2 5x Light Dark Summoning Pieces, 1 5x Legendary Summoning Piece. Da fuck.
Just summon 10 unknown scrolls and power up a monster with a power up circle 4-6 times until you get confident that it's going to spark then summon a mystical scroll. Use at least 3 works just about every time lightning sometimes 2👍🤞🖖😁
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IVE ONLY GOTTEN DHALSIM. i literaly have 6. and 1 water chun lee. please bless my next street fighter scroll.
just realized i was on the work email.
I think that if you can go 40 to 70 normal summons without lighting (3* summons) then your chances of summoning lightning increases for ms scrolls. That's how I got 2 nat 4*'s from 11 ms scrolls. The ms summons counts towards normal summons, but using hearts and normal scrolls get's the easy/cheap lightning reroll chance/rate/percentage.
can you repeat it on your other accounts ... might be worth it too just for the runes
Now we all hope they don't nerf it again.
This again..
Thought you learned that lesson from last time.
This really good for early player who still struggling to farm =3
I did a few refreshes last week and got 13 mysticals in 350 crystals or so. Just did a bunch of refreshes today and only a few. RNG is RNG. Got some nice runes though.
bagel: who the hell has problems with mana in 2020?
also bagel: i don't buy summ stones and legendary 6* shield runes cuz i don't want to "waste" mana
This is the same reason that rich people are rich.... Because they don't "waste" money or in sw mana. So idk why you're putting it into quotes. That's literally how you make a lot of money /mana, you're smart when it comes to spending it. Fuckin duh.
The comments I see on this vid dude.... Holy shit. Please THINK. you have a brain, USE IT.
@@gabesawesome5766 i buy all the stones and ive plenty of mana, plus it's just a meme there's no need to be salty about it 😂😂
Tghey didnt buff the scroll rates, they just took out the green and white runes, so overall the rates are up
For 570ish crystals I got: 10 mystics, 25 ld pieces, 20 legendary pieces, 4 decent legendary runes, 2 good epic runes. Totaled at like 5.5 million mana. Way better than a premium pack lol
i got 6 scrolls in 99 crystals so definitely feels buffed but too small sample size to confirm
I don't know if you are extremely lucky with the ms or if I'm extremely unlucky. I don't feel like the chance got buffed. I'm also not even getting halfway good runes. All of them are blue 5* or worse. And I am actually someone who was refreshing the shop even before it got buffed, so its not like I don't know what I'm talking about.
Well, maybe next time. Hopefully
It might be better, but don't refresh 1000 crystals for runes/scrolls if you don't have good rune efficiency. 1/3 of the runes from dungeons are worth at least rolling +6.
Today I was playing summoners war I did my first summon of the day with a mythic scroll and got 5 star demon
I had good rng aswell with scrolls on 500 crystals my assumption is they didnt buff it but instead the drop table slot was shared with the bad runes ... now that they dint exist expect a shadow nerf on the shop
I legitimately did 300 crystals got 6 scrolls and pulled a dupe pungbeak....its definitely an improvement..nat 5 is luck for sure but I got the same results
Mmm i think they did not, but the took codes out meaning runes green and white meaning more space to choose from without lowering the rates again of the mythical showing up , at least that is how i would do it and end up happening unintentionally
You hurt my eyes with how fast you go
I hope they don’t nerf it again... I don’t refresh much, only to make even numbers for my OCD
i cryed so much if i just bought the preiume pack i would have gotten the 12 but i guess i got like half way to a light and dark and 4 star scroll
It never went away. I refresh for scrolls all the time. You get way more for 750 crystals by refreshing. The down side is obviously the Mana you blow.
If you find a misticall skroll at every 22 refreshes, will be fine (we dont talk about another good stuff).
750 / 3 = 250
250 / 11 / 22,7**
Sometimes you make this game really difficult for some of us in the way you behave, you were just fucking lucky
I love long Bagel videos
27 ms, 20 leg pieces, 20 ld pieces, 3 leg rune, 3 hero rune from 1005 crystals and about 7 million mana.
2375
Whenever i wanted to summon and waste crystals i refreshed shop, its consistently been better than buying a pack but you need mana, dont think its ever been nerfed
They must of messed with the rates by accident because I did 500+ refreshes before this change and only got 13 MS.