Enjoy todays theory video! There are some minor spoilers for Light of the Jedi in here but something super substantial. The final thing I say in this video I think is really beautiful regarding Ahsoka, so stick around for the entire thing! Follow me on twitter! twitter.com/ATATChat -ATAT
Cool theory! Rey defeating Palpatine is one of my favorite scenes in TROS because of how it's shot and the epic score. I'm also growing to love that only the voices speak to her. If you think about it from Palpatine's POV, he thinks he's just fighting this scavenger but he's really fighting every Jedi he ever sought to destroy. It also makes the scene feel more like Rey's personal victory against her grandfather.
This scene absolutely DOES NOT prove Ahsoka is dead, here's why. Let me quote a few lines from the TROS novelisation: "The battle above disappeared. Instead, Rey saw a perfect sky, vast with stars. Peaceful. Light-filled. It was like she was staring through a window to somewhere else, a place between places." Place between places = world between worlds? "More voices came at her fast but gentle, as though she lay at a confluence of the Force, possibilities, futures and pasts all stretching away from her, or maybe leading toward her. The cosmos, time, energy, being-nothing was the way she’d thought it was." This pretty much proves it's the "world between worlds" we saw in Rebels. This would mean she's not just reaching across space, but time as well, to reach every Jedi that ever existed. So it doesn't matter if they're dead or alive at that point. And further down we read: "Presences filled her awareness, some recent, some ancient, some still anchored to the living in a strange way. Rey didn’t understand. But she accepted." So "anchored to the living" would explain Ahsoka's voice here.
I love this theory. I was always between Rey reaching out to the Jedi as a way of them reassuring to her she could do it, then she used the last of her strength (Because Palpatine drained a lot from her) to defeat Palpatine and the Jedi giving her all the energy so she could get up, but it was too much for her to contain, which is why she breathes heavily after she gets up and immediately falls after the Sith church falls. I like that we don't know exactly what happened. It's a very emotional scene for me.
@@splashnskillz37 He got killed by having his Force Lightning shot back at him, that's bad. But is it as bad as making a Force Storm, then not being able to turn it off again, having your enemies just kinda get board and leave, then everyone on your giant, very expensive ship die?
You know ironically I have been writing my own story about Ahsoka teaching Ben meditation with Grogu watching in the background. Seems like a good idea right being taught meditation by Ahsoka
This makes all the sense! Adopting this theory as headcanon. As a huge Ahsoka fan, I’m glad she have a contribution for the light side when most needed.
My wife's watching TCW for the first time and the ease with which Ahsoka so often leads and guides others has had me thinking about Battle Meditation. One could easily chalk it up to obedient clones and Ahsoka's sincerity (Ahsoka's realness should never be underestimated), but there have been moments where I think the synchronicity is more than meets the eye.
I greatly hope we come to understand the full extent of her connection to the Force. It seems more mysterious, along the lines of The God's of Mortis is a sense.
Legit. Omg, I have so many thoughts. I would love to see them use her show to dig into some of the really trippy Force stuff. TCW and Rebels get into it, but there are 9 whole movies about Jedi and there's only ever a light dusting of how crazy the Force can get. I think Ahsoka's show would be the perfect time to really lean into the heavily mystical side of Star Wars. Also, for better or worse, the new Canon has made purgills deeply connected to the history of hyperspace travel. I think it'd be cool to find out they don't just jump into hyperspace, but actually access a space similar to the World Between Wolds. I also suspect that the meta-story they're building up will probably be something like: The purgills jumped into the Unknown Regions, but because Ezra has a connection to the Force, he somehow became lost in the Vergence Scatter - and not only was Thrawn able to find a way back because he's not Force-sensitive, he's the only one who knows how to get to Ezra. (I'm also a fan of the idea of Rahul Kohli playing Ezra.) I think it'd be a cool way to show that being a Jedi isn't always just laser swords and ninja flips and levitating stuff - there are down-sides, sometimes.
I always wondered if that was what Qui-gon was doing for Obi-wan in Phantom. Before taking Maul on 1v1, Obi-wan wasn't up to the challenge. After Qui-gon meditated Obi-wan was able to keep up with Maul. Now of course it could just be that Obi-wan was fueled by the rage of seeing his master killed, which I'm sure is the more likely. However, Qui-gon using batlle meditation is something I can see.
It's interesting, I see many fans say that TROS played it "safe" but I actually think that with all the retcons, TROS takes big risks just like TLJ does, and it gets viewers to see TLJ from a different perspective.
@@bensherstinskymusic I think TROS is so safe is actually becomes risky. Like Palpatine returning is a mix between a safe decision and a risky one. It's complicated.
@@bensherstinskymusic that's why I believe TLJ will be the most loved film from the Disney era in 10 years. I didn't like TLJ but TROS made me reevaluate that movie and now it sits as my 2nd fav SW movie behind empire. That movie just gets better with time
I always assumed that the thousands of generations of Jedi were just flowing through Rey to give her strength.... but Ahsoka using battle meditation makes far more sense from a lore perspective. And even if it is never confirmed, I still think this is a much better theory then what I was thinking. Also makes sense because Ahsoka was the only living Jedi to speak to Rey, so it stands to reason Ahsoka would’ve achieved this knowledge to benefit Rey’s fight against Palpatine. Would be interesting if the Ahsoka show delves into how much Ahsoka has learned after the events of Malachor, and possibly even confirming this Theory to be true.
Really interesting theory, It was really nice to hear Anakin and Ahsoka, I really liked that scene in TROS where you hear all the Jedi from the past. And sadly, my great grandmother has passed away 😢.
How old she would be in this point? It's kind of cool if she outlived throw all the movies. I wished that Luke would also have lived throw the sequels (even his death scene is the most beatiful in the entire saga)
@@ATATChat Jesus H. Christ, maybe the reason she didn't want to train Rey is that she was just old and had retired peacefully, only to die in giving her strength to aid Rey in defeating the Sith and also taking revenge (She ain't a Jedi, so its okay) against the very man who corrupted her masters all those years ago. Sorry, got serious at the end, didn't mean to do so.
@@ATATChat I can't seem to find it anywhere with that name. I tried the discord community search, and all the unofficial sites, and google and everything.
Think it'd be pretty retconny to say Ashoka helped Rey AND was the only alive Jedi voice AND was the only one that could physically help at that time. If there was some indication in the movie then maybe. But otherwise it'd be like the "Palpatine used sith scream in ROTS" explanation lol. Interesting thought though, and I kinda wish they did that but actually had Rey have a distinct reaction to Ashoka's voice.
How is it when we never saw her die? A voice does not indicate that she’s dead by any means. There are no Jedi around and we know this because Luke and Leia die. We see them die.
This is a very plausible theory. In the novelization it does describe Rey as having reached a "place between places" which of course, as we know, is Ahsoka's presumed dominion, thanks to Morai and her connection to the Daughter's life force.
Really enjoy this theory, it's made me look at that scene a different way. Gave me chills. I don't know how to put it but It makes the end feel less cheesy and it makes it actually make sense 😅
I dig this idea, but when you think about it Rey is a Skywalker apprentice and would fulfill the role by a Skywalker. Maybe a good connection why the lightsaber called to her in TFA
As a huge Ahsoka fan I instantly thought of this when I read this about Avar. Combined together with Filoni doubling down on a character not needing to be dead in order to communicate through the force (Luke in ESB with Vader) and the Gandalf drawing he did saying people thought I was dead too. I also thought of Luke force projection. Ahsoka would definitely be as powerful as grandmaster Luke if she could pull off a feat like this and didn’t die (because it’s essentially the same method, sending your life force through the cosmic force it’s just one was used as an image and the other used to empower Rey across the galaxy)
Yooo and thematically it would be Rey using 2 lightsabers to defeat palpatine, something Ahsoka is literally known for. Really hope they go that direction with it, would love to see Ahsoka meeting Rey and Finn
Your theory's actually not that bizarre when you think about it in the light (sorry, no pun intended, lol) of things about the Force we learn in the Mandalorian and the "The Light of the Jedi". However, I also understood "battle meditation" also as a way for armies fighting for the Light to coordinate and act as one, using a powerful Jedi as a focus point, increasing their strength and willpower to win, while doing the opposite for the Dark, similar to the hypothesized effect Yoda had on the Battle of Geonosis in The Attack of the Clones. Do you think that was going on during the Exegol battle? I'm not sure if this a "Legends" version of battle meditation, as I haven't had the chance to read the new book.
We all know in reality Rey only beat Palpatine thanks to Windu's Vaapad, the ability that makes you able to reflect Lightning in the first place. Windu finally got his comeback.
I think you are totally right and there is a major fact that can help more this theory. Look at the Meditation symbole in the video game Jedi Fallen Order it looks a lot like the background of the Ahsoka show logo.
That kind of explains the “Battle Meditation” aspect of Jedi: Fallen Order. I always thought it was a great little add on to a great game. Now it helps add a new level of nuance that I think was missing in the new Canon
you forget who Ahsoka is , she has the sister's spirit in her. she is followed by a Morai ,the owl looking bird , there is no other Jedi or Sith that has or force user that has this quality , Ahsoka was trained by a Skywalker , her body was brought back to life by a Skywalker with the help of the sister. I think Ahsoka is going to live a 1000 years as the light side of the force ,as for helping Rey i highly doubt it that she would pour her strength into the force to help Rey , you forget who Rey is , she is a Marysue she needs no help from anyone, she already has the ability to defeat palpatine she needs no training , she can do it on her own, Rey needs no help
@@ATATChat yeah buddy but I always dream can we just be all friends as bc of this fictional world we shouldn't leave our own real world as I really so obsessed with ahsoka that I couldn't think my day without ahsoka but she also teach me things which I follow in real world..!! To atleast become a better person
@@ATATChat - To be fair, expectations were high (typically the case with Star Wars). I think that many who were expecting one thing but it didn't happen, may felt a little disappointed, and in some cases that leads to bitterness. Admittedly, in the last battle between Luke and Kylo in _The Last Jedi,_ I was expecting to see something similar to the Luke that we saw in _The Mandalorian._ So when that didn't happen, it did feel like a bit of a letdown, but when you look on see the context of the story, you appreciate it more. I can see Luke in both of those scenes and appreciate both. Luke + The Mandalorian = Anakin (prime/Revenge of the Sith) Luke + The Last Jedi = Obi-Wan (elder/A New Hope) It's similar to the effect of books-to-movies transitions (and vice-versa). What I've noticed is that if you watch a movie and find out that it was based off of a book, people are more likely to read the book and get more into the story (That's how I got into _Dune_ ). Reversely, if people are reading the book, and then a movie comes up, for some reason, people will dislike/hate the movie because it wasn't like the book. There are several reasons for that, but one of those reasons will probably be because there were details in the book that were not introduced into the movie, and so viewers become more critical. It's an interesting oddity...
I think I've heard a similar theory like this. In _Return of the Jedi,_ it was rumored or thought of that Palpatine was using a similar type ability during the events at the Battle of Endor.
I love this theory and thinks a reason why Filoni won't comment on it too mutch is beceause once Filoni tells the stories off Ahsoka during the sequel movies. I think we may see the events of TROS in an animated show like with ROST in TCW. Ahsoka with Ezra's help do battle meditadion and helps Rey and the force ghost take down the immortal sith lord. I think Ahsoka and Rey's stories will come together one day and will rebuild the jedi order to their glory days. She saw the downfall and eventual rise of the jedi order, and she has 20+ years post TROS before she dies in sleep like Yoda. PS. I just started to comment again after along time, to help my fellow man and youtuber. cheers.
@@ATATChat Yess if my math is correct she 70 and Ezra be as old as Luke. I want to add Cal too, but he could die in next game for all we know. I think in some ways Ahsoka and Ezra will be involved in this conflict similar to what rebels showed of early glactic rebellion. We know from recent comments and he wants to end her story in animation, so could see her help Rey and train new jedi. I think Ahsoka will be the gandalf to Rey's frodo. a senior member and new blood of the jedi.
it would make sense for it to be ahsoka cuz rey could barely move untill the jedi gave her strength and ahsoka being the physical strength in alot of ways i view this like the avatar state 10,000 yrs of avatars lived in korra just like the jedi lived in rey ravaa was the light spirit of all the past avatars
On another afternoon after another practice session, Ahsoka, Ben and Grogu have some refreshments. They get at a table a droid has put together a set of small sandwiches, tea and some cut up fruits and vegetables. Ahsoka: Help yourself gentlemen. Take a few pieces of vegetables or fruit Grogu ok. Grogu: Mmm-Hmm. Ahsoka: Would you like some honey with your tea Master Solo? Ben: Yes please, thank you. Ahsoka: (Gives him the honey.) So, while we’re out here, and we’re putting today’s lesson to the side let’s talk about something else for a change. Nothing about family, or lessons, techniques. Whatever you want. Ben: (Pauses and tries to think, doesn’t have any ideas. Grogu dips his celery in the peanut butter sandwich.) Ahsoka: Would you like to talk about Rey? Ben: I’ve already mentioned Rey before. Ahsoka: I know but perhaps maybe you’d like to talk about her some more. Since she happens to be very special to you. Ben: (Inhales and sighs he feels a little embarrassed about the subject.) Ahsoka: (Hands on his shoulder) Ben it’s all right, you don’t have to hold anything back from me. Ben: (Sighs) Ahsoka: (Understands that he’s a little nervous initiating the conversation so she figured she ought to start off.) What is it about this woman that you feel that she is like an equal for you? Not to say you’re both one person but why do you have the connection that you do aside from knowing that you are both a Dyad. Ben: (Pause) Well, for one thing we’re not afraid to be open. Ahsoka: In what way? Ben: In terms of personality there’s a number of things that makes us equals. How stubborn we can be, the ferocity, the anger, feeling like almost nobody understands or listens to us and how lonely both of us have felt. Ahsoka: You both came from a lot of painful, traumatic upbringings that have affected you and Rey. Ben: We’re still strong though in our own ways. Rey, I think is the strongest out of both of us, she’s strong in a mental, emotional way that I still struggle with quite a lot but I’m working on that. You’re helping me with that. Ahsoka: I think you’ve figured that part out about yourself because it seemed like you already want to do something about it. Ben: (Nods) We’re both pretty clever too, she’s clever and smart in a street-smart way and as a survivor from all those years of being abandoned. Whereas with me I had a lot of access to education especially in reading and writing and when I used to train with my Uncle. And uh… you know its strange master; I get the feeling that our differences and similarities go hand in hand in the way that the Yin and Yang symbol goes hand in hand with itself in the cycle of balance. There’s a balance that we have that brings us so close in our connection it’s like no matter what something about it will never be disconnected, a part of me is a part of her and a part of her is with me.
I like the idea, but at the same time Ahsoka would be nearly 70 during TRoS, with her ending the Clone Wars around age 17 and TRoS being ~50 years later. We don’t know how Togrutas age, but her youthful voice still suggests to me that she is one with the Force.
@@ATATChat Maybe the Force makes you younger when calling to other force users, just saying but it isn't something to really think to much about because this is still goddamn Star Wars were all talking about.
Enjoy todays theory video! There are some minor spoilers for Light of the Jedi in here but something super substantial. The final thing I say in this video I think is really beautiful regarding Ahsoka, so stick around for the entire thing! Follow me on twitter! twitter.com/ATATChat
-ATAT
@@lmg6831 Its ATAT. Lol, it was ATAT for 15 years when I grew up with the OT. Dont tell me, on my channel, how to pronounce things.
The idea that Anakin and Ahsoka got to work together one last time gives me goosebumps.
Right?
This theory is my new head canon! Makes me appreciate the ending of the saga a lot more...
It makes it less random to me and like you said, gives it GREAT weight imo.
Funny, my head canon ends in XII
Cool theory! Rey defeating Palpatine is one of my favorite scenes in TROS because of how it's shot and the epic score. I'm also growing to love that only the voices speak to her. If you think about it from Palpatine's POV, he thinks he's just fighting this scavenger but he's really fighting every Jedi he ever sought to destroy. It also makes the scene feel more like Rey's personal victory against her grandfather.
Also all the Jedi he killed and destroyed their very Order, much needed playback is what Jedi needed
Spot on!
This scene absolutely DOES NOT prove Ahsoka is dead, here's why.
Let me quote a few lines from the TROS novelisation:
"The battle above disappeared. Instead, Rey saw a perfect sky, vast with stars. Peaceful. Light-filled. It was like she was staring through a window to somewhere else, a place between places."
Place between places = world between worlds?
"More voices came at her fast but gentle, as though she lay at a confluence of the Force, possibilities, futures and pasts all stretching away from her, or maybe leading toward her. The cosmos, time, energy, being-nothing was the way she’d thought it was."
This pretty much proves it's the "world between worlds" we saw in Rebels.
This would mean she's not just reaching across space, but time as well, to reach every Jedi that ever existed.
So it doesn't matter if they're dead or alive at that point.
And further down we read:
"Presences filled her awareness, some recent, some ancient, some still anchored to the living in a strange way. Rey didn’t understand. But she accepted."
So "anchored to the living" would explain Ahsoka's voice here.
Ayeeee🙌
I love this theory.
I was always between Rey reaching out to the Jedi as a way of them reassuring to her she could do it, then she used the last of her strength (Because Palpatine drained a lot from her) to defeat Palpatine and the Jedi giving her all the energy so she could get up, but it was too much for her to contain, which is why she breathes heavily after she gets up and immediately falls after the Sith church falls.
I like that we don't know exactly what happened.
It's a very emotional scene for me.
Great theory! That makes the scene way better.
Yeah, agreed. It makes it feel a bit more whole etc.
I love that scene in TROS.
But you died, again
@@splashnskillz37 At least it wasn't inside his own Force Storm this time.
@@CyberController- ?????????? it was man WTF
@@splashnskillz37 He got killed by having his Force Lightning shot back at him, that's bad. But is it as bad as making a Force Storm, then not being able to turn it off again, having your enemies just kinda get board and leave, then everyone on your giant, very expensive ship die?
@@CyberController- Dude that little thing he did ended real quick did barely a thing for the Death Star 2
Love this scene in TROS and this gives it even more meaning! Great video!
You know ironically I have been writing my own story about Ahsoka teaching Ben meditation with Grogu watching in the background. Seems like a good idea right being taught meditation by Ahsoka
I would agree!
This makes all the sense! Adopting this theory as headcanon. As a huge Ahsoka fan, I’m glad she have a contribution for the light side when most needed.
Thats my favorite part, she got to aid in the final destruction of it all with Anakin. She would be around 70 i think too
My wife's watching TCW for the first time and the ease with which Ahsoka so often leads and guides others has had me thinking about Battle Meditation. One could easily chalk it up to obedient clones and Ahsoka's sincerity (Ahsoka's realness should never be underestimated), but there have been moments where I think the synchronicity is more than meets the eye.
I greatly hope we come to understand the full extent of her connection to the Force. It seems more mysterious, along the lines of The God's of Mortis is a sense.
Legit. Omg, I have so many thoughts. I would love to see them use her show to dig into some of the really trippy Force stuff. TCW and Rebels get into it, but there are 9 whole movies about Jedi and there's only ever a light dusting of how crazy the Force can get. I think Ahsoka's show would be the perfect time to really lean into the heavily mystical side of Star Wars.
Also, for better or worse, the new Canon has made purgills deeply connected to the history of hyperspace travel. I think it'd be cool to find out they don't just jump into hyperspace, but actually access a space similar to the World Between Wolds. I also suspect that the meta-story they're building up will probably be something like: The purgills jumped into the Unknown Regions, but because Ezra has a connection to the Force, he somehow became lost in the Vergence Scatter - and not only was Thrawn able to find a way back because he's not Force-sensitive, he's the only one who knows how to get to Ezra. (I'm also a fan of the idea of Rahul Kohli playing Ezra.) I think it'd be a cool way to show that being a Jedi isn't always just laser swords and ninja flips and levitating stuff - there are down-sides, sometimes.
I always wondered if that was what Qui-gon was doing for Obi-wan in Phantom. Before taking Maul on 1v1, Obi-wan wasn't up to the challenge. After Qui-gon meditated Obi-wan was able to keep up with Maul. Now of course it could just be that Obi-wan was fueled by the rage of seeing his master killed, which I'm sure is the more likely. However, Qui-gon using batlle meditation is something I can see.
I don't think anything is bizarre when it comes to SW anymore haha! Good theory!
Haha! Thanks Case!
I don't like TROS mainly because how safe it was and mainly because I'm a big fan of TLJ but little moments like these make me enjoy TROS even more
It's interesting, I see many fans say that TROS played it "safe" but I actually think that with all the retcons, TROS takes big risks just like TLJ does, and it gets viewers to see TLJ from a different perspective.
@@bensherstinskymusic I think TROS is so safe is actually becomes risky.
Like Palpatine returning is a mix between a safe decision and a risky one. It's complicated.
@@matti.8465 Yeah that makes sense. Same applies to Rey being a Palpatine
@@bensherstinskymusic that's why I believe TLJ will be the most loved film from the Disney era in 10 years. I didn't like TLJ but TROS made me reevaluate that movie and now it sits as my 2nd fav SW movie behind empire. That movie just gets better with time
Such a great theory. I really hope someday we'll see Rey working with Ahsoka
Could be rad!
I always assumed that the thousands of generations of Jedi were just flowing through Rey to give her strength.... but Ahsoka using battle meditation makes far more sense from a lore perspective. And even if it is never confirmed, I still think this is a much better theory then what I was thinking. Also makes sense because Ahsoka was the only living Jedi to speak to Rey, so it stands to reason Ahsoka would’ve achieved this knowledge to benefit Rey’s fight against Palpatine.
Would be interesting if the Ahsoka show delves into how much Ahsoka has learned after the events of Malachor, and possibly even confirming this Theory to be true.
If this theory ever turns out true I'll be so pumped
We can add it to the list of Ahsoka’s Badass qualities 😂
Really interesting theory, It was really nice to hear Anakin and Ahsoka, I really liked that scene in TROS where you hear all the Jedi from the past. And sadly, my great grandmother has passed away 😢.
So sorry to hear about your great grandmother 😐
@@ATATChat It's alright, life is made up with meetings and partings, that is the way of it.
Love this theory man! 😎
I love this theory and I'd like it to be in TROS ' many things could be easier to accept and make more sense.
Yea, I think they might have been going for something like this? But it still felt messy. This is now my head canon
love this expiation man great vid
Keeping Ahsoka’s ending in the back pocket for future content, I believe.
Agreed. They need something to keep to leave us guessing.
@@ATATChat And she’s so beloved that they need to after what happened with the ST. She’s one of the best aces they have.
I like that. It also makes me think that we'll at some point see a scene where Ahsoka feels it when Rey's powers awake during the force awakens.
that WOULD BE RAD
The Sequel trilogy were great
How old she would be in this point? It's kind of cool if she outlived throw all the movies. I wished that Luke would also have lived throw the sequels (even his death scene is the most beatiful in the entire saga)
70 I believe
@@ATATChat Jesus H. Christ, maybe the reason she didn't want to train Rey is that she was just old and had retired peacefully, only to die in giving her strength to aid Rey in defeating the Sith and also taking revenge (She ain't a Jedi, so its okay) against the very man who corrupted her masters all those years ago. Sorry, got serious at the end, didn't mean to do so.
The discord link says it's expired. Could we have a new one?
The description one? Damn. I'll fix that. If you search the at at lounge it should pop up
@@ATATChat I can't seem to find it anywhere with that name. I tried the discord community search, and all the unofficial sites, and google and everything.
I like how the old force users are just vibing in some planet and using the force to solve problems from the other side of the galaxy.
Think it'd be pretty retconny to say Ashoka helped Rey AND was the only alive Jedi voice AND was the only one that could physically help at that time. If there was some indication in the movie then maybe. But otherwise it'd be like the "Palpatine used sith scream in ROTS" explanation lol. Interesting thought though, and I kinda wish they did that but actually had Rey have a distinct reaction to Ashoka's voice.
How is it when we never saw her die? A voice does not indicate that she’s dead by any means. There are no Jedi around and we know this because Luke and Leia die. We see them die.
This is a very plausible theory. In the novelization it does describe Rey as having reached a "place between places" which of course, as we know, is Ahsoka's presumed dominion, thanks to Morai and her connection to the Daughter's life force.
Minor Light of the Jedi Spoilers
Rip to that one guy who fell off a tower while trying to help Avar Kriss.
hahahahah
Nice theory, would give the rise of skywalker something for me to like
Haha I think we all want to feel that way
The master
Love it!
dave filoni did hints ahsoka is alive in the rise of skywalker
Yea, in of the mind that she is alive for sure.
I like it
I love this take on that scene. Great job on the video! 👍
Thanks so much lego boy! Not sure if you are new around these parts?? But welcome!
@@ATATChat No, I'm not new around these parts 😅
I like it
Really enjoy this theory, it's made me look at that scene a different way. Gave me chills. I don't know how to put it but It makes the end feel less cheesy and it makes it actually make sense 😅
Thats my goal! haha. its a kinda lackluster ending even if its fun to watch, but this gives it some more umph for me.
@@ATATChat yeah, adds weight to it instead of Rey just getting up, winning then dying. This is the way.
I dig this idea, but when you think about it Rey is a Skywalker apprentice and would fulfill the role by a Skywalker. Maybe a good connection why the lightsaber called to her in TFA
As a huge Ahsoka fan I instantly thought of this when I read this about Avar. Combined together with Filoni doubling down on a character not needing to be dead in order to communicate through the force (Luke in ESB with Vader) and the Gandalf drawing he did saying people thought I was dead too.
I also thought of Luke force projection. Ahsoka would definitely be as powerful as grandmaster Luke if she could pull off a feat like this and didn’t die (because it’s essentially the same method, sending your life force through the cosmic force it’s just one was used as an image and the other used to empower Rey across the galaxy)
Yooo and thematically it would be Rey using 2 lightsabers to defeat palpatine, something Ahsoka is literally known for. Really hope they go that direction with it, would love to see Ahsoka meeting Rey and Finn
Your theory's actually not that bizarre when you think about it in the light (sorry, no pun intended, lol) of things about the Force we learn in the Mandalorian and the "The Light of the Jedi". However, I also understood "battle meditation" also as a way for armies fighting for the Light to coordinate and act as one, using a powerful Jedi as a focus point, increasing their strength and willpower to win, while doing the opposite for the Dark, similar to the hypothesized effect Yoda had on the Battle of Geonosis in The Attack of the Clones. Do you think that was going on during the Exegol battle? I'm not sure if this a "Legends" version of battle meditation, as I haven't had the chance to read the new book.
Love the video & the channel. Keep it up!
Much appreciated 🙂
Beautiful theory . I hope they do a POV of Ashoka during those moments. Wish we actually got her in the sequel trilogy somehow tho.
We all know in reality Rey only beat Palpatine thanks to Windu's Vaapad, the ability that makes you able to reflect Lightning in the first place.
Windu finally got his comeback.
are you doing a video on form 2 tomorrow?
Tomorrow OR Thursday. Currently writing it now. 😎
I think you are totally right and there is a major fact that can help more this theory. Look at the Meditation symbole in the video game Jedi Fallen Order it looks a lot like the background of the Ahsoka show logo.
And also let's think of it this way if it weren't for Ahsoka we probably would not have Rey.
This is a really beautiful and poignant theory.
They won’t erase the Sequel Trilogy, it’s just a bunch of BS Nonsense from the Internet
Glad you and gold man know each other ☺️
He's got a great channel/ vibe
@@ATATChat low key you too keep me sane in this fandom, thanks for that.
I dont want to spoil anything but thats a good theory
That kind of explains the “Battle Meditation” aspect of Jedi: Fallen Order. I always thought it was a great little add on to a great game. Now it helps add a new level of nuance that I think was missing in the new Canon
you forget who Ahsoka is , she has the sister's spirit in her. she is followed by a Morai ,the owl looking bird , there is no other Jedi or Sith that has or force user that has this quality , Ahsoka was trained by a Skywalker , her body was brought back to life by a Skywalker with the help of the sister. I think Ahsoka is going to live a 1000 years as the light side of the force ,as for helping Rey i highly doubt it that she would pour her strength into the force to help Rey , you forget who Rey is , she is a Marysue she needs no help from anyone, she already has the ability to defeat palpatine she needs no training , she can do it on her own, Rey needs no help
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It rings true to me, Nick! ♾️
I like this theory as respect to all but idk how other people who called them real Star wars fans will see this ...!
People who call themselves that suck. Were all real fans.
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@@ATATChat yeah buddy but I always dream can we just be all friends as bc of this fictional world we shouldn't leave our own real world as I really so obsessed with ahsoka that I couldn't think my day without ahsoka but she also teach me things which I follow in real world..!! To atleast become a better person
@@ATATChat - To be fair, expectations were high (typically the case with Star Wars). I think that many who were expecting one thing but it didn't happen, may felt a little disappointed, and in some cases that leads to bitterness.
Admittedly, in the last battle between Luke and Kylo in _The Last Jedi,_ I was expecting to see something similar to the Luke that we saw in _The Mandalorian._ So when that didn't happen, it did feel like a bit of a letdown, but when you look on see the context of the story, you appreciate it more. I can see Luke in both of those scenes and appreciate both.
Luke + The Mandalorian = Anakin (prime/Revenge of the Sith)
Luke + The Last Jedi = Obi-Wan (elder/A New Hope)
It's similar to the effect of books-to-movies transitions (and vice-versa). What I've noticed is that if you watch a movie and find out that it was based off of a book, people are more likely to read the book and get more into the story (That's how I got into _Dune_ ).
Reversely, if people are reading the book, and then a movie comes up, for some reason, people will dislike/hate the movie because it wasn't like the book. There are several reasons for that, but one of those reasons will probably be because there were details in the book that were not introduced into the movie, and so viewers become more critical.
It's an interesting oddity...
@@Xardion55 Just read this all. Can totally understand some of the let downs. Appreciate you being chill!
I think I've heard a similar theory like this. In _Return of the Jedi,_ it was rumored or thought of that Palpatine was using a similar type ability during the events at the Battle of Endor.
In legends, I believe he was? But somehow that led to their defeat if I remember correctly? Ill need to ask some Lore dudes!
I love this theory and thinks a reason why Filoni won't comment on it too mutch is beceause once Filoni tells the stories off Ahsoka during the sequel movies. I think we may see the events of TROS in an animated show like with ROST in TCW. Ahsoka with Ezra's help do battle meditadion and helps Rey and the force ghost take down the immortal sith lord. I think Ahsoka and Rey's stories will come together one day and will rebuild the jedi order to their glory days. She saw the downfall and eventual rise of the jedi order, and she has 20+ years post TROS before she dies in sleep like Yoda.
PS. I just started to comment again after along time, to help my fellow man and youtuber. cheers.
Omg, I didn't even think of Ezra. I do wonder if Rey will meet Ahsoka. I think she would be 70 right?
@@ATATChat Yess if my math is correct she 70 and Ezra be as old as Luke. I want to add Cal too, but he could die in next game for all we know. I think in some ways Ahsoka and Ezra will be involved in this conflict similar to what rebels showed of early glactic rebellion. We know from recent comments and he wants to end her story in animation, so could see her help Rey and train new jedi. I think Ahsoka will be the gandalf to Rey's frodo. a senior member and new blood of the jedi.
it would make sense for it to be ahsoka cuz rey could barely move untill the jedi gave her strength and ahsoka being the physical strength in alot of ways i view this like the avatar state 10,000 yrs of avatars lived in korra just like the jedi lived in rey ravaa was the light spirit of all the past avatars
much more to learn of this，Force
It sounds likely. Stranger things have happened both in Legends and new cannon.
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On another afternoon after another practice session, Ahsoka, Ben and Grogu have some refreshments. They get at a table a droid has put together a set of small sandwiches, tea and some cut up fruits and vegetables.
Ahsoka: Help yourself gentlemen. Take a few pieces of vegetables or fruit Grogu ok.
Grogu: Mmm-Hmm.
Ahsoka: Would you like some honey with your tea Master Solo?
Ben: Yes please, thank you.
Ahsoka: (Gives him the honey.) So, while we’re out here, and we’re putting today’s lesson to the side let’s talk about something else for a change. Nothing about family, or lessons, techniques. Whatever you want.
Ben: (Pauses and tries to think, doesn’t have any ideas. Grogu dips his celery in the peanut butter sandwich.)
Ahsoka: Would you like to talk about Rey?
Ben: I’ve already mentioned Rey before.
Ahsoka: I know but perhaps maybe you’d like to talk about her some more. Since she happens to be very special to you.
Ben: (Inhales and sighs he feels a little embarrassed about the subject.)
Ahsoka: (Hands on his shoulder) Ben it’s all right, you don’t have to hold anything back from me.
Ben: (Sighs)
Ahsoka: (Understands that he’s a little nervous initiating the conversation so she figured she ought to start off.) What is it about this woman that you feel that she is like an equal for you? Not to say you’re both one person but why do you have the connection that you do aside from knowing that you are both a Dyad.
Ben: (Pause) Well, for one thing we’re not afraid to be open.
Ahsoka: In what way?
Ben: In terms of personality there’s a number of things that makes us equals. How stubborn we can be, the ferocity, the anger, feeling like almost nobody understands or listens to us and how lonely both of us have felt.
Ahsoka: You both came from a lot of painful, traumatic upbringings that have affected you and Rey.
Ben: We’re still strong though in our own ways. Rey, I think is the strongest out of both of us, she’s strong in a mental, emotional way that I still struggle with quite a lot but I’m working on that. You’re helping me with that.
Ahsoka: I think you’ve figured that part out about yourself because it seemed like you already want to do something about it.
Ben: (Nods) We’re both pretty clever too, she’s clever and smart in a street-smart way and as a survivor from all those years of being abandoned. Whereas with me I had a lot of access to education especially in reading and writing and when I used to train with my Uncle. And uh… you know its strange master; I get the feeling that our differences and similarities go hand in hand in the way that the Yin and Yang symbol goes hand in hand with itself in the cycle of balance. There’s a balance that we have that brings us so close in our connection it’s like no matter what something about it will never be disconnected, a part of me is a part of her and a part of her is with me.
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I like the idea, but at the same time Ahsoka would be nearly 70 during TRoS, with her ending the Clone Wars around age 17 and TRoS being ~50 years later. We don’t know how Togrutas age, but her youthful voice still suggests to me that she is one with the Force.
Except Dave said no. 🤷♀️
@@ATATChat Maybe the Force makes you younger when calling to other force users, just saying but it isn't something to really think to much about because this is still goddamn Star Wars were all talking about.