Why didn't Vader stop Luke from falling in ESB given his power? Star Wars Theory
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2021
- Darth Vader is known to be one of the most powerful force users ever. And that makes sense since he is The Chosen One, however, In The Empire Strikes Back, Vader lets Luke Skywalker fall to what appears to be his death rather than intervene using some form of the Force. Vader could have stopped Luke from falling if he wanted. So my aim is to explore the possible reasons for why Vader did not intervene with his son, or perhaps he did in a very subtle way.
While I realize this film came out in the 80s, I do think its a fun exercise to use new canon to reflect back on the original trilogy films and come up with our own explanations for why certain events unfolded the way they did.
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Enjoy todays theory video! While I realize this is a bit hilarious regarding explaining WHY Vader didnt do something in 1980, I thought it was a cool thought experiment regardless because of all the new information surrounding this scene in canon. Let me know your thoughts below! Follow me on twitter: twitter.com/ATATChat
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Vader: "Join me, Luke!"
Luke: "No!" *JUMPS*
Vader: "He's the main character, he'll be fine."
LMAO
Plot armor at its finest!
I love when Vader is just staring at Luke when he's falling. Thinking "well, I guess there's that option."
"Poodoo"
I always think of that one scene from Harry Potter where Hermione says "What. An. Idiot."
I always saw it as Vader being so shocked that Luke would kill himself rather than join him that he is just frozen with regret and surprise. Neither Luke nor Vader really knew that Luke was going to survive the fall, it was a surprise to both of them, but once Vader realizes Luke is onboard the Falcon he makes one last desperate attempt to connect with him and persuade him over to his side. You can hear it in the sincere-ness of his voice, something that always stood out to me even when I watched it as a kid. And when he doesn't, we see possibly the saddest and most conflicted moment of Vader, besides when he saves Luke from the Emperor. That image of Vader looking away from the view port, and then looking back, then turning away once more, was always such a defining moment in Vader's character and his journey. I just love this movie so much.
When Luke falls and Darth Vader watches, it reminds him of Ahsoka when she jumps off the sewer when she was on the run.
I think the experience of Luke choosing to kill himself rather then join his own father was quite shocking to Vader, and the shock is likely why he had lacked concentration to focus on bringing Luke to him. Because when it comes to the force their always has to be some modicum of focus in order to use it effectively.
Star Wars is that unique franchise were so much is left open to interpretation that original intent sorta stops mattering at a point.
Also true. I cant look at the OT without all the new information we have anymore.
@@ATATChat It's weird because I can. At least...I like to pretend too. At least where A New Hope is concerned.
Like, sometimes I like to watch A New Hope and think of what the original intent is.
Other times i like to watch A New Hope and be like ...Wow Rogue One just happened like five seconds before this movie.
Though I think A New Hope is really the only one you can do that with, while with stuff like Rise of Skywalker, Solo, the Sequels it's easier to see the other films being part of the universe a bit more since now things are far more informed by the surrounding material then A New Hope was.
I don’t know why but I keep hearing Vader with Willy Wonka’s sarcasm as he’s lowering his arm. “Stop. Don’t. Come back.” 😂
Haha, thats hilarious
PLOTHOLE! Worst Movie EVER! All Kathleen Kennedy's Fault! How could Rian RUIN Vader like that!!!??? Of course THE CHOZEN ONE should have saved LUKE, and then BOTH should have wrecked THE ENTIRE EMPIRE and SJW REBELS in an awesome HALLWAY SCENE!
I can never again watch this movie. Franchise is dead to me now, only the Holliday Special remains canon to me ...
WTF
Finally, someone with a brain!
Basically what would happen if TESB was released in the present day...
Luke would be a female. Luke would beat the hell out of Vader. Luke would know everything in a blink of an eye.
RUIN Johnson
Im pretty sure Vader was just so shaken from the fact that he not only finally had an encounter with a son he didn't know existed, but that his son would rather kill himself then work with him. He was just so taken aback that he froze. You can see it even more when he takes a second glance back after Luke escapes. He's completely distraught.
"And the Force? Well that's just microscopic bacteria in your bloodstream called midichlorians."
😭
Short Answer
Luke carried a little bit of sand with him on Tatoonie
HAHAHA, Vader was like...ehh, not worth it with all that sand in his pockets.
It gets everywhere.
Now I can't get the image out of my head of Luke throwing a handful of sand in Vader's face and escaping back the way they came in.
Isn't the downfall of Luke just another one of Vader's many dad puns? I'm certain I heard him chuckle under the mask.
"now I have the high ground"
When I saw the video title, the first thing that came to my mind was Vader going like "if he doesn't survive this, he isn't worth any more of my time anyway". That'd be a totally reasonable thinking for a Sith. But I actually like the idea of this being a little hint of weakness.
I always took it as a moment of weakness. He loves his son and this proves it and foreshadows what took place in Jedi. Vader was never going to kill Luke.
Agreed, this is the most logical answer too given what's going on in canon right now too
I would say that it's a combination of all of the above.
Thanks to the actual canon, we now know that Vader knew that Luke was his son much earlier than we thought he did. In a weird sort of way, I could see Vader wanting to protect Luke, if only so that he could join with Vader later on down the road. So, Vader hesitates for a moment when Luke lets go, shocked by his son's audacity, maybe thinks to himself that "oh yes, this man is definitely my son", before realizing that he really should make sure that Luke doesn't die when he hits either the bottom or the atmosphere of Bespin.
So Vader guides Luke into a tunnel where he will slide out to safety. Luke will come to him, Vader thinks. He has foreseen it.
I think the third one makes the most sense
Yeah me too. It fits neatly with all existing canon now.
I think Vader thought Luke would die in the fall. Luke chose death over the Dark Side.
So be it.
There is an alternative view on this that Luke was seen as unworthy at this moment, showing his weakness to his father but still tough to definitively say nowadays.
Dave will watch this and confirm it.
Vader's literal thoughts at that moment "DAMN SON"
Hahahah
The series How it should have ended had Vader catch Luke.
LMAO
Ah c'mon
I always thought this Vader could have stopped him falling and brought him back
Thought all the theories were good/plausible. It truly stresses the intentional parallel of the new trilogy too with Kylo getting rejected by Rey. Whatever George Lucas says or choose of these three, I would accept.
The 3rd theory definitely seems the most likely; Vader has killed plenty of people at this point and is known to be ruthless. I don't think he would've attempted to save Luke, but he probably had a tinge of regret and was hoping he wouldn't die from the fall because he was hoping he'd join him. Being rejected by the person closest to you AGAIN is definitely a good call back to Padme, and it would be fitting for him to reflect on that.
First, yes it took him by shock.
Second, he knew that his son would join them. As he had been told so.
Third, he knew that the hyperspace drive was deactivated. Which means that he could get Luke when he was rescued.
Fourth, he was over confinement with what he had set up.
Fifth, this is going by the movies and just ESB.
Sixth, you can see some conflict within Vader, now not knowing what to do.
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Thats a good question, but a more useful one is "why did it take us so long to question it?"
I like this idea that Vader was weakened by Luke’s decision. He’s established as this omnipotent force throughout Empire and then he’s just too devastated to kill an imperial officer by the end. The empire wins but Vader loses
The actual reason is because of what the film is actually about (i.e. not the literal but the moral story)
Haha, also true 🙂
@@ATATChat LOve your vids btw. Keep creating!
I never considered the sad implications of Vader just walking away after Luke escaped, not killing any officers for their failure or anything...he just leaves in silence.
It's super interesting. Vader is too calm. Aka, sad boi
I think Vader wanted Luke to join him on free will. He didn’t want to force him into anything or he would’ve captured him by force before the duel even started. That’s why he refused to catch him when he fell.
I think that continuing to analyse this "new" canon is very much like falling down the metaphorical rabbit hole.
Oh God the scream! Why do they put that in the special editions?! 🤣
I would have to take this a moment of weakness for Vader. For me, Vader tried for many years to bury, forget, even deny that Anakin existed at all. But Vader could not, no matter what he did. Forget his love for Padme. Vader went to great lengths to try to bring her back and reverse his fatal mistake on Mustafar. After all these attempts failed. I get the sense that Vader finally tried to come to terms with what he did to Padme. But when he learned that Luke had somehow survived it brought all those intense emotions back to the surface. Luke for Vader was a second chance to redeem himself of his tragedy with Padme. Then what happens on the station? Luke decides that death is better alternative than joining him and falls. For Vader, its literally history repeating itself in front of his very eyes. The acting is spot on, I see the sheer amount of shock and crippling despair pour over him. In that moment Vader is in essence the word "defeated".
Please excuse all my bad grammar and spelling.
Really love the content AT-AT Chat!
Yes, even before The Clone Wars we see Vader lift things that looked just as heavy as Luke during that same duel
Look Vader wasn't trying to win any dad of the year awards
Maybe Vader was shocked to see Luke kill himself. He freaked out when he found that Padme died, despite hurting her before that. Now, Vader’s the reason his Son died, not by him physically, but because his son chose to die over joining him. Like, he understood HE’S the problem!
“Son, I wanna me your power daddy”
“I’d rather kill myself” *Luke falls*
*Sighs in Vader*
Great video, I totally agree! Wanna rewatch Empire now 😂
I do it a lot of mornings. Just bits and bobs.
@@ATATChat yeah, I end up do just putting on the battle of Hoth in the morning every now and then
I always figured it was one of those scenarios where you just imply that maybe the exhaust ports sort of sucked Luke in as he fell towards them, I mean we're shown when Vader smashes the window in they're duel that there's a vacuum of air so it's not a hard stretch.
Also true haha
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@@ATATChat yeah fun video! I do like the idea of Vader knowing through the force that Luke was going to survive, regardless of how things turned out, but also a mix of him being caught off guard too
I think there’s something about anakin’s ideals conflicting with the real world? Like he would do anything and everything for the ones he loves ie breaking mandate to rescue his mother, marrying padmé in secret. That versus padmé rejecting him on mustafar and then his own son choosing death over joining him. It must’ve shaken something in him, as for him it must’ve been a no brainer to help or to join the ones he loved no matter what. Made him think about what he was doing and how he could maybe change things.
For a while now I've thought that Vader didn't Force choke anyone when Luke escaped on the Falcon was because while yes, that did count as a loss, at the end of the day he got to meet his son and, bonus multiplier, the kid's strong in the Force AND already shows skill as a duelist. Just like his dad. Dark Side or not, that's something to be proud of. But idea that Vader was just thrown completely off his game because Luke chose to risk death rather than join him, well, that's just another sad and depressing thing for the Saga. Seriously, the Skywalkers have had way too much tragedy in the Disney cannon😞Make the WBW road trip happen so Rey can get Ben back and they can have a happy ending.
Haha, SW is a tragedy for sure. I know Lucas intended it to be about HOPE but man...he made the most brutal story of all time regarding dysfunctional families.
Well on a happier note if you want to cheer up I have another new story for you and this ones for the books. (Hint)
@@Rey20171 Heck yeah 😊
This is so funny that I just watched Empire again last nite with my girl and we're laughing at Vader's "Well... shit." moment there 😂
"uh, did he just...yeah he just did that!" fack
I like option one. Vader pushed and guided Luke into the exhaust tube.
Luke won the dice roll, doesn't need to be more complicated than that. (I do subscribe to DM Theory, how did you know?)
But I like your explanations too buddy
Yeah I always did think why Vader didn’t just pull Luke back up he could have done it no problem
Wasn’t there a joke made about this
Woke: Because Luke is really good at cutting people off
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