A Quick Guide to the LS in Australia
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- A quick guide to the LS Variants that were Australian Delivered. Some of the differences between these variants were small and trivial, however, some of these differences are very significant. Here's just scratching the surface!
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Argh. It Does my head in every time someone says their VE SS Commodore has an LS2 in it. Thank you for this video, I consider it a public service.
“No it fkn doesn’t.” Loved that. *Gets popcorn. Gets a chair. And we wait for the comments to come in. This is going to be an entertaining comments section. Thankyou
I would love more videos on the finer details of the LS
*Ha! I learned more than I ever thought was even possible. I'm super impressed at your ability to recite all of the differences with these engines. Your knowledge is astounding. Now that you've given us the "Cliff Notes" version, it would be nice of you to do an expanded class using a big Whiteboard (like Engineering Explained). You could cover a lot of information in a 20min vid.*
*You publish, we watch and get educated.*
This video is goated I thought the G8 Gt came with a ls2 and I found out the hard way it wasnt when asking a question in a group and getting dragged for it. This helped a lot and now I know this difference shit is fire
Missed a key part of VZ mate! the late 06 VZ SS Thunder Utes were fitted with the L98 engines before the VE! Keep up the good work!
They sure were and it confused the hell out of a lot of people haha
Fitted with a E38 and T42 as well. Very unique combo
@@BoostGumps Yeah it's a struggle chasing parts sometimes as even vendors get a bit of a head scratch on the l98 😅
" Gob Smacked " What an outstanding brake down of the Australian LS series, I will watch your video over and over, just to take in all of that information, OK guys, educate me "Please". To build a reliable? LS "Street Cars," Well close, Runs 98 octane for the street, / E85 For racing, (not on the cheap/budget, but not a $30,000.00 engine), OK, a dry sump, soled roller, forged pistons, H/beam rods, twin-turbo, alloyed block, married up to a 7-speed auto trans, high stall, trans brake, ( No bump stop!! ) medium weight car ( Holden Astra, Toyota Camry ) for now I'm holding my cards close to my chest, to a suite, Drag racing, Roll racing, Track Days, Circuit racing & Targa Tasmania rally, Just an all-rounder, simply change the diff gears and the exhaust, and let's have fun, Sorry, " Drifting? Maybe," Please Guy's, I'm not full of Crap/a Tosser!! , I didn't spend the last 15/20 minutes writing all this as I am not a master of my computer/keyboard, Looking forward to your reply, Regards, Doug.
very information! much knowledge! wow!
much feedback! very appreciate! glad helping!
L98 FTW! 🥊
This man know his stuff dude could make a book love it man hopefully I one day can speak on beautiful car like this one day
Great video with great info, I remember when the VT gen 3's got a few k's on them, the piston slap on start up! Cheers for sharing guy's...
Yep! classic early LS things lol. I heard they changed the rings as well when they went with the update to 241 heads, but have never been able to confirm this
Different head bolts and stronger rods bolts from vx ii onwards. The piston slap is due to the press fit rods vs gen 4 full floating. If you rebuild your LS1 with full foaters then the slap goes away mostly. It's an alloy bore and same piston material gen 3 vs 4 so nothing to do with bore or outside of piston itself. There were however instances where early ls1 had to be rebuilt for discrepancies in piston sizes.
@@Dan-rg7jj yeh new head bolts and cam bearings. The press fit remained until VZ though and those VX onwards didnt seem to be as prone to piston slap. Have never seen different rod bolts across any gen3’s though they have all been the same
@@BoostGumps Cam bearing yes. And also steam ports to the rear were not blocked off. The ls1 manifold was a better design in terms of steam apart from it being the worst of the lot in terms of flow. I do believe there was a difference with the bolts - help.summitracing.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5186/~/what-is-the-difference-between-1st-and-2nd-design-rod-bolts%3F
@@Dan-rg7jj thats interesting!! Ive never seen the other ones
Thank you I did learn something from this video which was very presented, what's got my interest lately is the new 7.3lt push rod Ford which can purchased as a crate motor and it fits in a Fox body Mustang things could get spicy
The new 7.3 is wild! Cant wait to get our hands on one one day. Have talked to herrod performance about them already
Early ls1 vt ones also had a stronger block as it doesn’t have bay by bay breathing in the bottom of the block and are better for strokers. Later blocks have metal machined out of em. Vz Ls engines in the holden engineering team was known as the ls1.5 due to all the updates, gen4 rods and pcm.
Nice mate very informative, I'd be keen for the in depth version of the LS family 👍
Ya could put drum beats and a DJ scratch behind this and it would be total Aussie rap!
I have an odd ball VZ built July 2006, is an L76 block (6mb) but the intake manifold is l98 type with the different type map sensor, there are also a few other fittings etc that are VE on the engine...also the VIN has the number code for a VE l98 engine..When the cam was fitted it was noted there was no evidence of DOD equip either..Id say when it was being built holden was running out of VZ production parts so that what it got.
Very informative video. Love a good Holden/ HSV memory lane video.
I’m making 544rwkw out of my SBE L98 with a Vortech T Trim. Great engines
How do you like the power delivery of the vortech? Do you regret going that way over turbo or PD?
Definitely keen to see a video on US iron blocks
Fantastic run down Max. RB next LOL (don't forget the neo)
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There's an idea! Might be a goer
Man awsome info. Definently want to hear the whole nitty gritty down to the core plus the usa versions like to 5.3l ls and 7l ls
Really good video. I now know I have the L77.
I got a later LS1 gen3 5.7L out of a VZ for my ol Holden WB Tonner, its getting a T chain and a cam, the Trunnion bushes up in the rovker arms. New bottom end bearings, A re ring and stuff but it will be just a weekender street meet machine with i belive a bit over 350Hp.
I was wantjng to put ths rebuilt muncie M20 behind it. Ive seen this can be done.all going back yo a 10 bolt Salisbury comercial diff with a 3.55 ratio also has been rebuilt. Im not looking for any more power, so ill never see 400 Hp the Muncie should handle it.
It will stay injected and remaped ecu on the dyno.
Very informative!
6.0 litre, my 2009 VE L76 Wagon has 821 rec port heads, apparently they are the best of the best LS3 heads, lighter valves different angle, how did they end up on my car. Apparently the same 821s ended up in the US Patrol cars a Statesman
I still kick arse with my 5.7 LS 1.
Best cam for use with standard stall converter
Thank you 🙏
How would u compare the L77 in the VF with the Ls3
Such a shame Holden effectively no longer exists to most of us, sad loss for Aussie
Great vid man hopefully you can do more like this. Barra sohc ecomang etc
I bet you're sick of seeing that 1JZ in the engine room. Let's get it in the shitbox soon. 😉👍
Props mate - that must of taken some effort.
So good, thanks mate
Good vid thanks
Great video but you just know someone is going to advertise a L98 as an LS2 for sale tomorrow along side there mate selling a Ls1 with only 120 000ks 😂
Bro at the end of the video and the camera wasn’t rolling did you say thank fuck for that. 😂👌🏼
Great info.
Just to confirm.
6.0 ltr (L77) 2013 VF Auto.
Dods or no Dods. AFM badge is not present on the VF1.????
Definitely DOD, if manual it wont be activated electronically at all. But will still have all the DOD hardware phsically in the engine.
Ahhh, Ysah!, What he f_ckin said😅😅😅
Ive got a ve ss series 2 got it new always change oil at 8k i never flog it the engine doesn't make any weird tapping or winding noise,its done 220,000km should I be worried about the lifters or is it one of those things look after it and it will be ok
Its always a gamble mate, obviously taking good care of it is going to help and is giving it the best possible chance, but its still something that can happen to any one of these engines. Particularly in your case having the DOD architecture.
I use penrite hpr5 5w 40 is that a good lubricant
BTW what state is your workshop
Love it how a bog stock holden got the better engine and hsv got screwed by holden. Lol
What would be the best v8 for a 4x4 I know you did a patrol v8 swap. High torque and better noise.
Another awesome video, quick question, can you get more power out of a l98 with ls3 heads, than a Ls2?? Thanks 🙏
+1 on this, I've got L98 in my VZ SS Thunder
Both are very capable engines, but its easier to make the power with the rectangle port head as they flow much better. The rectangle port heads can be used on the LS2 as well, it just never came with them from factory
@@BoostGumps thank you sir 👌
What’s the difference then between an L76 VZ block with no DOD and the L98, aside from head casting?
So my 2012 VE SS manual with an L77 although DOD is deactivated, with a cam upgrade will I need a DOD delete still? Or can I upgrade to LS7 lifters with my cam and be ok?
Yes, you will need DOD delete. The lifters are still in there and yes, they still fail. I had to do it to my VF SS L77 manual.
This is grouse content dude!
Loved the video I’m sure it’s helped a ton on people including me however I would like more info on the L98 as it’s quite difficult to get parts for as it’s not a ls2 and not a Ls3 or a lq9 so what is it
Any help would be appreciated thanks
To me they're all just LS but some people get upset if you call them that. Start screeching it's not an LS it's a L77 or some shit.
I appreciate the information i have been trying to learn about the ls engines as
one it's nice to be able to relate to people when i talk to them about their cars
And two i have been considered either a 350 chev or l98 for my workshop one tonner
Being well versed with Holden 6 redmotors i am allergic to the horse powers so the chev is the obvious choice
But everyone raves about ls engines and one has turned up locally for ok money so i am considering it
Do you have a video relating to the l98 specifically
And thank you again
Which one is the cheapest but best performing ?
nice one.
Hey man, random question, where did you get those thermo fans that you used in the GQ LS swap? Currently swapping my GQ and trying to find some suitable thermo fans.
Hey mate they were just VE thermos out of the donor car
Sweet bro thanks, will try and source some 👍🏻
I have a question if I was build a ls to make 1500hp around a track what engine would you to achieve that for world time attack
Aftermarket. Dart, LSX, World, etc
@@AGRSSV1 Tech rules state has to be a production car motor
@@thatsimracer666 than one of the factory iron blocks. LQ4/9 would be the pick with the 4" bore.
@@thatsimracer666 gen4 alloy block have been known to hold up to this kind of power and in a time stack situation where weight is key i would recommend one over an iron block. If you can afford the extra weight absolutely use a factory iron block, but if not any gen4 6L or 6.2L
@@BoostGumps thanx mate
Which is the best Australian variant to modify (stroke and forced induction), would it be the L76?
Ideally the LS3 or LSA
Hay mate love the work 🤙
I need some information on the LS1 swap
Can I use vt ss ls1 and put modem ecu and wiring to get it passed admissions for a swap into 2012 px ranger ?
Is this possible?
And what would be the ecu to use ?
Hey Mate! Unsure if it would be "legal" or not emissions wise as it will totally depend on what your state regs are. But if you were going something aftermarket I recommend Haltech, it's the most widely supported aftermarket ECU manufacturer in AUS, you would be hard pressed to find a tuner who wouldn't tune one, and their after sales tech support is second to none, both very important accolades for the 4wd built for touring. The Nexus R3 is best suited for a V8 and their most modern base.
@@BoostGumps thanks heaps mate
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i enjoyed thevideo, I'd like to see a very indepth video about the ls range,
in your opinion
while ive already done v6 to v8 factory in commodores.
cam packages for myself and mates minor tuning.
i feel there is always more to learn. and if not i enjoy the content and get to know more of your opinion on the subject cheers!
Can you give more details on just the variants between VX and VZ LS1s
VT LS1’s used early 853 head casting, composite headgaskets and the early LS1 style intake manifold. The really early ones also were renowned for piston slap and ring issues causing them to burn oil.
VX they went to MLS headgaskets and the better flowing 241 heads, they also changed the intake manifold to the better LS6 style.
VZ LS1 had updated rods, the same rods found in the gen4 LS’s, they also went to FBW throttle instead of cable using an updated ECU.
Those are the most important differences.
@@BoostGumps is there any way to determine the differences between VX-VZ LS1s if you just have only a short block to go from? I recently bought a LS1 that came with only a bare intake manifold attached, no throttle body or injectors.
@@Faafoiykyk engine number will tell the story. It will read VF??XXXXXXX, the numbers in place of the question mark will indicate the year of the engine. Located just in front of the drivers side head
@@BoostGumps I’ll dm you on instagram don’t want to publicly post the engine number
Hey dude how much for a vz Ss rebuild just bought a vz Ss crewman nothing serious just a family car
$4 - 6K depending on who does it, and what parts used, then tuning if required. Keep adding if it needs a water pump, radiator, mounts, clutch.......
How deep your pockets are, will dictate the result. I rebuilt the 5.7 in my VZ SSZ Crewman myself during the first lockdown, replaced everything but pistons, including all bolt ons/accessories, clutch, radiator, belts, new extractors, cats etc. Tuned at GM Motorsport, makes 300Kw at the tyres...grumpy as buggery. Makes for a big cheezy grin every time I turn the key!!!
@@tonyt6751 thanks really appreciate the feed back
Yeah but us Americans still got screwed in not getting all the Holden variants. Why they didnt push that vehicle in tha face of dodge ill NEVER understand. Those cars are a hell of a platform.
Not what you are talking about. We we got the gto with ls2, g8 with ls3 or l76 and chevy ss with ls3
@devin7632 there are so many commodore platforms we didn't get.
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