When the man says “I’ve never heard of that before,” I believe he was talking about how slavery was still practiced in prisons long after the civil war. Most white people have never heard of that before.
A black woman explains American slavery to a grown man in the simplest terms possible, and when he responds with “I’ve never heard about that before,” she has no reaction. Is this secretly a surrealist masterpiece? That one scene is more _Twilight Zone_ than anything Rod Serling ever put to film.
I love how you can tell that the people in the "gay is okay" protest are like, extremely uncomfortable even saying it, like they're scared that if they act too enthusiastic their friends might see the movie and think they support the gays.
@@preciousmourning8310 But then *that* could be construed by some Christians as supporting the gays because they hired gay people to be part of their movie. "Absolutely not!" they might say. "You should only hire straight employees."
Those damn protesting thugs! Out there like some sort of... protest...-er...-ist. edit, last punchline i promise: "Protesterist" is a drug that Ben Shapiro needs
I have never understood the "religious freedom" angle cause like how tf is it infringing on your freedom to let other people get married. No one is forcing you to get gay married Ted.
Wait so, the evil plan of the bad guy is to get the man who thinks they shouldn't have equal rights to apologize for saying that? This is the nicest villan in the history of ever. Also the synopsis of this movie should be something like: "A man does a bad thing. Literally everyone tells him he did a bad thing and wants him to apologize, but he refuses to stop doing the bad thing".
Best part was the gay newspaper. Every city has a famous gay newspaper. It's how the gays get all their gay news, because they ultimately live in a parallel universe.
@@spantigre3190 you didn't mention that anywhere in your other comment. You just thought gay newspapers werent real and I figured I'd mention they are and there are plenty
The idea that The Gays (TM) would spend time, money, and resources on ONE dude is so funny to me. In my town there's this popular bakery that billed itself as a 'safe space' for LGBTQ+. It turned out that the owner voted against abortion and trans health care. When the queer community found out, we just stopped going there and started giving our money to the other bakeries in town. It's how I found out that there's a gay-owned bakery in town and that's where I go now.
Exactly - why was THIS guy singled out when other people signed that petition? “Hey, I remember that guy! He spelled my name wrong on my Little League T-shirt! LET’S GET HIM!”
EXACTLY!!! What happened to all the other people who signed that petition?! What? He was the ONLY one? I highly doubt that. To quote the late great Seymour (Larry Vincent) "I call 'em as I see 'em... and I see THAT one on its back on the table at Thanksgiving!"
Exactly. Like objectively speaking, right wing activists are far more likely to vocally protest (remember the boycott of that beer company that happened to send Dylan, a trans woman, some beer. They literally shot at the beer cans with guns because they felt so offended). Left-wing activists are more often than not part of a minority and not as likely to resort to such lengths as presented in the movie. It's more so a silent boycott to protect their own lives.
i love the 'it's intolerance because we say so' line. like they couldn't have had the gay activist actually go 'its intolerance because you're trying to get rid of our rights' bc that might come too close to a point lmaoo
It's crazy because they said in so many subtle ways throughout the movie why exactly it's intolerance then randomly just forget. Like even Ron at the beginning said "you don't think I'm human being enough to get married". It's like they realized halfway through "shit we look like major assholes we need to make the gays look like braindead weirdos who just do whatever the queen Queen says
the fact that these people actually believe that the queer community would go after ONE SINGLE person because they signed a petition shows how self-centered they are.
The fight for equality is going so well in this universe that there's a shortage of other targets. No politicians sponsoring anti-gay bills. No companies shoveling million of dollars to anti-gay organizations or engaging in discriminatory practices. He's probably the only person in the county who actually signed the petition. Probably why the media was so against him. They found the one remaining bigot.
That confused the hell out of me, too! I mean, was the petition itself actually some “evil” scheme to get bigot info for harassment purposes? If so, kudos for a genuinely brilliant evil scheme, but I highly doubt the queer community has the time and energy between actually trying to defend basic legal rights and exist safely. It really was the MOST unrealistic part of this, and that’s saying a lot.
I know, right? And the fact that they basically just.. copied what happened to gay men (to the least extreme degree) during stonewall and applied it to Ted- a cishet white man. Not a very good idea, if you ask anyone with common sense.
The rich ones try to share "oppression" (consequences). Have you noticed how many MAGA freaks parrot Trump lines verbatim? Now think about what he said about the IRS getting nearly 100k more employees... he said "If they can come after me, they can come after you!" Meanwhile, the way it's worked for DECADES is that as the IRS gets defunded, they lose their power to go after the biggest tax-evaders (the rich) and instead go after the poor. Actually, increasing the number of agents _could_ increase how many regular people go to debtor's prison, but it would do more to fund the government to use those resources to hit like 50 billionaires. Any time conservatives start screaming about being singularly "victimized," like a group of people considering one Christian a witch-like figure, it's literally just written by or made for a wealthy or highly influential person who got caught doing some dirt, and they pretend it's like that would happen for each individual Christian or conservative.
If I may play Pope's advocate, this kind of rhetoric is pretty common among reactionaries. They tell themselves that even if X hurts Y people, it's not Yism because their reasons for supporting X have nothing to do with Y. They don't want _anyone_ to get married to someone of the same sex, no matter their romantic orientation! They often find Y people disgusting, but that's a separate matter from their political platform, of course.
What a dumpster fire of a movie. "Oww I voted for the leopards eating people's faces party, and you DARE to I assume I want people's faces to be eaten??"
"I voted to only let certain people into the leopard-proof fortress, and now people are accusing me of not caring about the people I don't think should be allowed into the fortress and wanting them to die!"
"how dare you assume I hate a group just because I signed a petition to take their rights away" It's like they think the problem is individual feelings, whether they personally hate gay people, rather than their actions and the actual results of their actions on gay people
@@robokill387 Reminds me of Scott Cawthon claiming support for LGBT youth programs and then maxing out donations for as many republican political candidates as possible. Then covering his ass with 'I was just voting for whoever I thought would best run the country guys :(' 😅 As if the reason kids need those programs is not largely because of conservative outrage that those children exist.
@@EebyDeeby413 Honestly this still ticks me off cause big creators are acting like this isn't a big deal and still support this guy or are just ignorant to the issues of people like Scott doing what he does.
Waaaaaaait.... Did this movie just compare the civil rights movement and anti-racism to a group of self professed super-christians complaining about their lesbian neighbours being allowed basic rights in society? Because that might be in poor taste.
That’s how delusional “Christians” (in quotations as no REAL Christian acts like this) with an imaginary persecution complex really think, which is wild in and of itself.
That has a duo purpose. It's to give the impression that blacks don't support LGBTQ issues while denying White Evangelicals their direct involvement with drip feeding religious fundamentalist ideology into communities of color due to colonization. Classic throwing the rock and hiding their hand
It's not just in poor taste, but also contradictory: The Problem: Rights are not exclusive to you - Rights exclude you; The Solution: Exclude people from rights; -Include people in rights; They are literally opposites!
My favorite part is how unqueer the protest scenes are. There should have been at least ONE rainbow flag or a naked man singing lady gaga for me to believe it 😭
@@davidkonevky7372 "Hey, Bruce, it says here that the protesters should be waving rainbow flags and play "gay Lady Gaga music". Do we really have to do that? You know God is watching and my children are gonna see the movie, I really don't want them to get the wrong idea. Can we tone it down a bit?"
Kid: What does “bigot” mean, mommy? Mom: It means someone who is mean to people who aren’t like them Kid: Why did someone call daddy a bigot? Mom: Idk, sweetheart, all he did was sign a petition declaring that he agrees that gay people shouldn’t be allowed to get married because they’re not like us 🤷♀️ Edit: auto correct
"Why are they being mean to me? I wasn't mean to them, all I did was sign a petition to take away their right to marry! I just believe in traditional marriage. What? No, interracial marriage is okay. Not TOO traditional marriage"
@@GazzaTF oh plenty of them hate interracial marriage, too. even clarance thomas, famously personally in an interracial marriage, has stated in his legal opinion that the legality of interracial marriages should be revisited. most complicated divorce plot in history
It's so telling when rightwingers think that oppression is just "getting your feelings hurt" because they personally have not experienced someone trying to take away their human rights.
You're wrong, those horrible gays are constantly trying to take away *their religious freedom,* their God-given right to decide no one else can have any rights!
They use highly exaggerated historical records of Christian persecution to justify it: "If it happened once, itll happen again" So much of the Christian Rights actions and words are preemptive reactionary defense because their religion requires persecution to be right.
"All right queers, we can protest eight minutes in front of each home or business of everyone who signed the petition, or we can weirdly focus in front of the business of... I don't know, let's say this Ted guy?" "I heard Ted's shop has a coffee nearby" "It's settled then"
If Ted signed that petition on a whim and doesn't really feel strongly about it, why is he also so set on dying on that hill as his business burns down around him? Vincente literally said they were just asking for an apology and Ted flat out refused. Does he care strongly or not?
It's probably not intentional, but it's a surprisingly good portrayal of how a surprising number of bigots radicalized themselves out of an inability to acknowledge that they made a mistake and tripling down
He literally could have been like "sorry man, I was kind of distracted, and they cornered me, so I just signed it without realizing what it was." Movie over
"I was misled about the intent of the petition and denounce it and the people running it," was the standard in Michigan when business owners learned that petition signatures are public record and they started getting blowback for signing a voter suppression petition. Plenty of people aren't going to believe him but it should deflect enough attention and might actually do some good if other people come forward and do the same.
This movie should have been about Miss Dorothy grappling with her learned bigotry and slowly realising she's on the wrong side of history, and how deeply uncomfortable that would be for someone who survived Jim Crow laws. It can end with a brigade of butches visiting her home, fixing up all the DIY jobs her pastor son ignores when he visits, drinking lemonade with her and telling her about the black women at Stonewall.
I love that the old woman doesn't want to be reminded of her family, so she keeps their photos hidden until they're going to visit. I relate to her apathy
25:10 "The Christian view was here first" I don't know which to point out first: that the Indigenous folk had their own spritual beliefs that were *here* first; or the fact the Christianity is a relatively young religion; or the fact that there have deadass always been queer people 💁🏻♀️
Christianity is actually one of the older still-active religeons. The only ones older are Judaism which was founded 1000-2000 years before Christianity depending on which theory you follow and Hinduism is insanely old being the world's oldest widely practiced religeon at over 4000 years old. (the Vedic Scripts were written around 2000 BCE) Neo Paganism is actually super recent being founded in the 1950s. Most of their "beliefs" are just fanfiction of mythologies which have mostly been lost to time and who most of our interpretations of come from pop culture since the original sources are long gone. Islam only started existing around 800-1000 CE long after Christianity was founded. Buddism and Confusianism are also semi-recent being founded around the same time as Islam. So Christianity is the fourt oldest widely practiced religeon, with Hinduism being the oldest and Shintoism (Japanese folk religeon) being the second oldest and Judaism being the third oldest. (or potentially the second oldest if you believe that Moses wrote the Torah and not Jewish refugees during the Babylonian exile) Honestly most religeons don't really last that long. See nearly every cult that formed in the last 100 years. They usually just completely fall apart after their leader/founder dies. The only way a religeon can survive is if either 1: it's founded on real history and is morally sound (Christianity is the main one but Confusianism and Buddism are also very moral and make sense, Judaism is Christianity but no Jesus and extra rules) 2: survives through shared cultural identity. (Judaism and Islam) or 3: Is a state religeon required by law. (Hinduism in India, Atheism in most communist countries, various religions in different periods of Japan and China's history, Islam in most of the Middle East, etc) Can you tell that religeon is one of my special interests?
@@KrimsonKattYT this has to be a flat earther joke something that took traditions from other cultures and relegions can not be the first one but i guess some people are still that home schooled
@@lord_xylozdoomsday959 I'm not a flat earther lmao. Any sensible person including Christains like me agree that the earth is round. You literally have to be brain dead stupid to think the earth is flat. Even the ancient Egyptian figured out the earth was round 4000 years ago using obelisks! Edit: I never said Christianity was the oldest either, it's the 4th oldest and Judaism is the second or third. And yes, Christianity did take influence from other religions. It started out as an obscure Jewish sect that went mainstream when Emperor Constantine made it the state religeon and became it's own thing. And Judaism and Christianity are heavily speculated to have taken major influence from Zoroastrianism, the religeon of the pre-islamic Persian Empire that were monotheistic and believed in a purely good God of light named Azramarda and a wicked god of darkness Ariman, his equal and opposite. This religeon may have influenced modern perceptions of the God VS The Devil dynamic of opposite good and evil forces in a constant war for control over earth. Christianity also synchronized with Roman paganism. All the so-called "christain holidays" like Christmas and Easter were actually originally pagan Roman festivals that were changed to christain ones by Constantine to better convert the people of the Roman Empire. And the modern idea of "God" being an old guy in a cloud? That's taken from Zeus/Jupiter the pagan god of adultery (and thunder) and a mass sexual abuser on a cosmic scale. That depiction is blatantly blasphemous. Rather, God is an indescribable cosmic force of pure light and holy fire that cannot be comprehended by mere mortals. Older religeons like Hinduism and Shintoism developed completely independently from Judaism and Christianity and can't be counted as influenced. Most of the popular religeons seen today are way more recent too. And now Christianity has been overthrown as the world's most popular religeons by agnosticism, the belief in God or a higher power but not following any one religious dogma. According to the bible literally the only requirements to get into heaven are to believe in Jesus and repent of your sins. That's it. So technically as long as anyone from any faith follows those two requirements, they can go to heaven. And I'm pretty sure most Agnostics like Jesus, as most are ex-Christains wronged by the church and don't want to be called "christain" anymore in order to no longer be associated with their abusers. So they get to go into heaven as long as they're willing to repent.
@@KrimsonKattYT Buddhism and Confucianism are both older than Christianity by several hundred years. And Judaism isn't basically Christianity. It's a distinct religion not some Christian sect, denomination, or cult that changed a few things they didn't like.
The message of the film was perfectly clear. If you offend the gays, even by accident, double down and never apologise, even if it means that you and your family lose everything. You can rely on your church and your community to stand by and do absolutely nothing while your life goes down the tubes, because a man has to live by principles he doesn't neccessarily hold. Just like John Wayne.
I literally thought that the movie was gonna be that the son and his family coming over to her place was him having a husband and child or something lol
Dying at them openly admitting to the petition being bigotry but also being?? Confused?? That people are angry at them for it? It’s almost like being hateful makes people hate you in return
It’s like when you write an essay for school but you know it’s so bad that you don’t wanna go back and proof read so you end up contradicting yourself like 20 times throughout it 😂😂😂
I've seen this kind of argument before, "the only real bigotry is it's most extreme form. You can be anti someone's existence but as long as you're not actively trying to kill them you're not a bigot". Also, love how the main character constantly flip-flops between saying he isn't that invested in defending "traditonal marriage" and acting like it's a corner stone of his entire belief system. Almost like he's a stubborn idiot doubling down on a spur of the moment decision because apollogizing would hurt his ego. How did the creators think this made them look good?
Yes, and it's such a dumb argument to where it's hard to tell if someone is intentionally trying to hide their bigotry or they're just that dumb or ignorant. It causes harm either way, it's just crazy when people think they aren't bigots just because they don't want to kill people.
As a bisexual I would just like to express my appreciation to these film makers for hiring some pretty hot guys to play the gay friend and the gay villain. 🥰
I'mma keep it real with ya, something I've noticed a bit. Making villainous characters gay-coded hasn't made me like being gay less, it's made me resonate with villains more. We stan our villainous gay kings like Scar from The Lion King.
i love when christians make movies where theyre so obviously in the wrong to literally anyone who is not zeroed in on their very specific worldview. like they cant even propoganda right.
"Yes, this is our everyman protagonist: Ted Murphy who never learned about slavery. And, instead of reflecting that his worldview may be MUCH narrower than he initially thought, said "What if that, but for me 👉👈🥺"
@@KrimsonKattYTconservatives* right-left is abt economy. im right wing cuz i think communal economy (left) is very unstable and either collapses or people suffer in poverty. but im quite a lot progressive and libertarian, im just individualistic.
“You don’t think I’m human being enough to be married, am I?” The writers have no grasp of who the subject and object are in a single sentence, and the entire film and all its characters kind of just carry the beacon of that energy from start to finish.
Heck, I was homeschooled for most of elementary and my mom taught me about Slavery and how bad it was. I never grew up in a racist environment and had friends from all different walks of life. It's crazy then that I got roped into the far right anti-SJW crowd in high school who were so blatantly racist and sexist. Thank God I abandoned that mindset and now am a center left trans bisexual catgirl lol. Insecurity and self-hatred are one hell of a drug I tell you...
29:04 “I get tired of hearing about how gay is the new black, but I’m totally on board with you, a straight, white, cis, man comparing slavery and Jim Crow laws with you being expected to tolerate marriages you don’t like”. Oh boy.
"Now I'm being called a bigot when I do bigoted things. Can you believe that? Me, an old black woman, who everyone knows, get to decide what is and isn't bigotry?"
@@hmnhntr well, you see, 'gay is the new black' as in it's gay people's turn to decree what is and isn't bigotry. Don't you remember what the totally not strawman character said? "Because we say so!"
For the first 15 centuries of the religion virtually all Christians condoned slavery, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, colonization, etc. After all, the God of the Bible condones all of that. Then humanism spread over the last few centuries and pushed back on the bigotry and authoritarianism. 200 years ago American Christians were split on the issue of slavery. Now? Christian apologists deny that slavery even exists in the Bible. (A lie, of course. See Leviticus 25:44,45. That's chattel slavery, not "indentured servitude.") Now the battle has transitioned to LBGTQ+ rights. Bible "principles" are barbaric.
I'm always perplexed about how they get black people to participate in these movies. I get that some of the black community is anti-LGBTQ, but I still feel like it'd take more than that to get someone to agree that slavery = a handful of people protesting your business for like, a week.
fr. Like, there is absolutely a LOT to be said about the way black queer/LGBTQ+ people are treated by the wider community, because...duh. Any communityhas a lot to work on in that area. But I think this film's creators' heads would explode if they actually encountered black people who aren't cishet. Touring the campus of a college like UNC Gaysboro would culture shock them lmao
Yeah, him and the woman who came up with the idea of it. All those other people in the movie are people whose hatred runs so deep they came to the tiny town to listen to stupidity. :)
I love the very specific worldview expressed in this film where a bunch of pro-queer rights people would spend time and money protesting some Random Homophobe instead of, say, someone with actual power and influence. Anyways this film expresses a worldview so transcendentally removed from reality that it captivates me.
I like to think it's because in this world gay people have taken over. There's no real political pushback, so now all they are left with is punching down random bigots.
Because that's the narrative they've drummed up for themselves; regular people being terrorized by us filthy gays for expressing ~normal~ opinions. That most of the country disagrees with.
You know, I'm pretty sure Ron would be one of those awful Masc4Masc, no fats, no fems, no Asians gays on Scruff and yet he's still _somehow_ the most realistic character in this movie.
I don't care if you try and tell me "gaydar" is a myth, Ron is the straightest "gay character" i've ever seen. I mean, I guess I should just be happy dude didn't do a cartoonish lisp or something - but still, I'd clock that dude as straight within seconds.
Hinduism was technically "here first" if you consider the world as a whole. It's the world's oldest religeon, outdating even judaism by a good couple thousand years. If you just consider America, the natives were here for THOUSANDS before the Europeans came and game ended all of them to take their land.
@@KrimsonKattYTGiven that the topic is defining marriage and rights, I'd say that the focus of who was here first obviously applies to gays over christians.
Maybe for major religions, but I suspect Indigenous Australian faiths are even older what with being the oldest extant culture with an oral tradition dating back to the last Ice Age. Either way, Christianity is relatively new in the broad scheme of human existence and what a typical American Christian considers to be “traditional marriage” is an extremely recent thing. At the most basic level, marriage is traditionally just about making heirs and having inheritance-anything else is culturally specific stuff that varies a lot across time and space
@@davidmaxwell4696 True! The legal definition of marriage is very recent. For most of history it was just a way to make babies. Monogamy itself wasn't even common until God told the jews to stay faithful to one partner in order to reduce relationship issues in the tribes. Of course the jews just ignored this rule with kings having 50 wives and created patriarchy after being influenced by their neighbors, with made God very mad. Confucius did something similar in the east in making the idea of monogamy the moral standard rather than the rare exception. Once Christianity took over the Roman Empire this idea of "monogamy good, polyamory bad" became super widespread in the west, which was only like 1500 years ago. And even then the LEGAL side of marriage wasn't a thing until the middle ages and was invented to barter and trade women like property. Now marriage is only really done for cultural reasons and for health insurance, but probaly in the next 50 years or so "legal marriage" will become less common and the idea of monogamy and only having relationships with consenting adults will become the baseline rather than a hetrocentrist, patriarchal outlook on marriage and relationships.
I spat out my water when he compared slavery and Jim Crow to his business being boycotted. Idk how Ms Dorothy kept a straight face. Edit: I kept watching, Ms Dorothy I was rooting for you
Literally she was speaking so much truth about how slavery never truly ended & Black people are still being put down and then she just turns around and goes, "but those *gays* though.."
Do they ever reveal how people knew he signed the petition? And an even more glaring plot hole - why was he the only one being harassed for signing the petition? Was he the only one that signed it?? Or is it just right-wing solipsism? 😂
@@kwarra-anMy question is, how did they obtain this information? Did they request it from the people that made the petition, did the petition people make it public, or does the Gayper have a bunch of hackers on their payroll? In addition, if Ted's in trouble because he signed the petition, why is he supposedly the only person people care enough about to ruin his business?
@@whichcache2517I assumed there was someone in the petitioners' org who leaked the petition to the Gayper. Ultimately, it all boils down to this film being very contrived and of poor quality!
For realz. One queer rag, we are working to change hearts and minds. Two queer rags, the sweater vests and the cat girls are scratching are own eyes out, the str8s be damned.
If you think about it seemed like the town really only had like a handful of people who weren't lgbt or allies. Nobody was coming out in support of main character guy except his family and that black lady. Maybe 99% of the people are queer or allies.
@@FrenkTheJoy sooo, are we talking statistical anomaly or should I get the team of rag-tag heroes ready to investigate the reality-warping tear in the fabric of spacetime that's going to destroy the entire universe eventually?
"I believe in tradiotional marriage but I didn't wanna go to war for it!" is such a funny line. Like... It is nice you got a chance, dude. People die for their rights every day, I don't think they are thrilled about that either. Also calling "bigotry" just "hate" or "dislike" is so typical for Christian media. Bigotry is very much always linked to a religious belief system. Bigot is a word for those who preach love but act out of hate. Of course he doesn't wanna give his kids the definition.
10:04 "I told him just to go talk to you" Does she think that if her husband makes things right with this singular gay all the other ones will magically stop being pissed at him too? Like the movie literally thinks we all know each other?
Their names and addresses got leaked because...they signed a petition. 1) How the hell do you get an address and phone number from a simple petition? I guess it's a small town or something? 2) I love how this sort of movie just has to invent things that have literally never happened. Like, it tells you just how delusional this sort of person is that they literally have to make up stuff because, otherwise, they would just be self-evidently the villains.
I wouldn't put it past Mr "I haven't heard of that," to just write his phone number on the petition unprompted, which is probably why we don't hear about anyone else being harrassed.
I do love that the "Equality Today" paper is just a regular paper with the title glued on and outlined in crappy markers.. this whole movie could have been shot by children forced into working for their Christian families... 8:40 btw
Well, it WAS insanely low budget. Like, literally running on a shoe string budget of MAYBE like $100. Most actors probably didn't even get paid. You can clearly tell that this is less so a "professional work" and more like the quality of a high school fan film. Couldn't expect any less from homophobes. Literally no one supports them so they have no money unless they get funded by right wing billionaires like TDW does.
@@KrimsonKattYT it's why they want to bring child labor back... because they not only don't want to pay anyone for anything if they don't have to, they think kids are like lizards and will grow back limbs that were cut off during filming accidents.
i kinda feel bad for the kids in this movie, like imagine growing up with the knowledge your face is attached to this train wreck forever. i hope at least some of those kids turn out better than the wack job parents that let them be in this
I've seen a weird trend of christian-made movies failing to make a convincing argument for their beliefs despite literally controlling the entire narrative. I only have two nickels but its weird that it happened twice
I really love that all it would've taken is the guy to apologize and say he didn't put a lot of thought into what he was signing and he would've been fine
As a confirmed Episcopalian, I am so proud these idiots tried to throw shade at us for being one of the more accepting and justice-oriented American churches. Not really a religious person, but happy that that was the church I was raised in and spent time with.
I love how the whole movie is about the exact behaviour the "christians" use when they find someone/thing they don't like, as if there's picket lines of peopleall over the place FOR LGBTQ+ inclusion when it's usually them protesting against it. (Westboro Baptist anyone?)
@@dinosaysrawrI know! I am non-binary and pansexual. We love glitter pens and stickers. The asexuals would totally sell garlic bread and pride buttons. Also, where are all the sharp dressed Trans ladies? I did not see one pair of high heels or a decent wig on anyone.
I wanna take this opportunity to share a fact that doesn't get shared enough, that even the KKK thought the westboro baptist church went too far. And like... yikes.
Hello! Where is this cave art and how do we know it’s gay? I don’t doubt you at all but I also don’t know how detailed actual cave art is and am curious what gay cave art looks like…
This whole movie is so full of victim mentality! "Oh, I don't want gay people to get tortured, locked up or killed! I just believe in *traditional* marriage, and don't think gay people should marry!" "You don't get it, guys! It's sooo hard when other people *don't* enable your bigotry! We're being persecuted!" Like, girl, if you target a certain group of people (directly or indirectly), that group of people is gonna be mad.
So the message of this was... even if you are friends with gay people and know you are being bigoted, you should keep trying to deny gay people rights, and the only way you will stop is if the gay community comes together for protest, boycott amd action to marginalize your hate? That second part is kind of based ngl.
“What, are you a communist or something? You don’t like John Wayne?” Fun fact, Stalin actually loved John Wayne movies. Like, seriously. Look it up. (Edit: added “movies” bc I was unclear)
Boggling at the lack of coffee table till I realize...who wants to bet they rented a film set that usually films...shall we say a different (and far more interesting) genre of low budget film. That coffee table will just get in the way of the uh...Action happening on the couch.
Naw I bet it's cuz they needed to remove the table to make room for the cameras when they were shooting the family face-on, and they didn't bother re-dressing the set when they did the reverse shots from behind the sofa.
At about 7:45, main character guy doesn't really get why his gay friend was mad, after he signed something that said his friend should be a second class citizen.
His gay friend Ron: Have you maybe considered that your situation would stop being a problem if you maybe Idk rethink some of your views. Ted: Nah... Like seriously does any straight people watching the vid think Ted is in the right here ? Why would they include that scene ?
Ok someone involved in this was a double agent. The script is way too self-aware and genuinely funny to be unintentional. Surely someone was sneaking this shit in on purpose.
I laughed out loud. I'm atheist but I have Evangelical family and yeah. It was actually a very smart and funny line.... probably the only one in the entire movie because it's about the only honest and even vaguely self aware line in the entire movie.
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Not surprised the kids don’t know what “bigot” means if the father had never heard of slavery before
It's a cycle of homeschooling 😔
When the man says “I’ve never heard of that before,” I believe he was talking about how slavery was still practiced in prisons long after the civil war. Most white people have never heard of that before.
I mean, I was gonna say I'm not surprised he had no idea what "traditional" marriage was, when he had never heard of slavery lol
I’m not surprised either
writing a black woman explaining slavery to a white man and having him responding with "I've never heard of that" is actually insane 😭
like my school didn't teach it that well but at least i KNEW it exists???
Could literally be a skit made by a leftists because that's basically what racists act like 😂
I'm genuinely surprised they included the reason black people are disproportionately locked up, so that yt people can have legal slaves.
this is how christian missionaries think telling indigenous people about jesus works
That will be the current kids in Florida when they grow up if Ron Desantis has any say in it.
A black woman explains American slavery to a grown man in the simplest terms possible, and when he responds with “I’ve never heard about that before,” she has no reaction. Is this secretly a surrealist masterpiece? That one scene is more _Twilight Zone_ than anything Rod Serling ever put to film.
When I heard him say that, I said to myself, "Just what kind of education did you have, good Sir? Because I was taught that as a Kid."
I swear, the hyperreligious right is whiter than mayonnaise.
@@michealforguson5317Floridian education
not even education just like... existing in the world. Even the most racist backwater of America is aware slavery EXISTED.@@michealforguson5317
that man was brought up in a Texas homeschool and she has to know that as his old friend or smth I tell you what
I love that Ted’s whole character arc is ‘dumbass that doesn’t know anything’ to ‘dumbass that didn’t learn anything’.
underrated comment
It’s so true to life
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Guess he was homeschooled too.
I love how you can tell that the people in the "gay is okay" protest are like, extremely uncomfortable even saying it, like they're scared that if they act too enthusiastic their friends might see the movie and think they support the gays.
They should have hired real gay actors that went all out, it would have been so funny compared to the crappy, bland acting of the main characters.
LMFAOOO
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But then *that* could be construed by some Christians as supporting the gays because they hired gay people to be part of their movie. "Absolutely not!" they might say. "You should only hire straight employees."
Imagine how that would go though lmfao
“REBECCA I SAW YOU ON THAT *retch* ANTI HOMOSEXUAL AD SUPPORTING THE GAYS👺👺”
The actor who plays the villain posted some pride stuff recently on his IG, which makes me so confused
I love how they actually had the gay protestors say _'marriage equality'_ like they're self-aware that they're pro-inequality.
No, no, it's some coded language used by the heathens, a type of vernacular langu- aw fuck we're just doing the catholic church again aren't we?
Those damn protesting thugs! Out there like some sort of... protest...-er...-ist.
edit, last punchline i promise:
"Protesterist" is a drug that Ben Shapiro needs
I have never understood the "religious freedom" angle cause like how tf is it infringing on your freedom to let other people get married. No one is forcing you to get gay married Ted.
Saying gay marriage infringes on your religious freedom is like saying that Jewish weddings are infringing on your religious freedom. Literally no.
@@FrenkTheJoythey probably believe that too tbh. i mean, just look how mad they get when you say happy holidays instead of merry christmas
“religious” and “freedom” often don’t belong in the same sentence
I am forcing ted to get gay married.
@@Nebukanezzer thank you for your service o7
God intended marriage to be between 1 mug and 1 floor
LMAO
Amen!
Funniest comment (got the creator's attention, so you know it's good).
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Thus saith the lord.
Wait so, the evil plan of the bad guy is to get the man who thinks they shouldn't have equal rights to apologize for saying that?
This is the nicest villan in the history of ever.
Also the synopsis of this movie should be something like: "A man does a bad thing. Literally everyone tells him he did a bad thing and wants him to apologize, but he refuses to stop doing the bad thing".
Even in their own premises, they come off as unlikeable
"I'm getting pounded into the concrete" is the best line ever in an anti-gay movie.
Best part was the gay newspaper. Every city has a famous gay newspaper. It's how the gays get all their gay news, because they ultimately live in a parallel universe.
You're saying that like you're being sarcastic but tons of cities do have gay newspapers lmao
@@BooksRebound I do feel like most of those newspapers have names.
@@spantigre3190 you didn't mention that anywhere in your other comment. You just thought gay newspapers werent real and I figured I'd mention they are and there are plenty
Homosexual Underground from Disco Elysium
SF has one
The worst homophobic Christian movie implies the existence of a best homophobic Christian movie. And I’m scared of what that could possibly be.
It's Little Nicky. I won't be answering further questions.
@sungazercyan I'll take your word for it.
@@sungazercyanfrom now on that's gonna be mine answer to that question. Thank you for putting me on the right path
It could be the case that there is only one homophobic christian movie in its class so the best is also the worst at the same time.
@@sungazercyanI'm so mad that you're right
The idea that The Gays (TM) would spend time, money, and resources on ONE dude is so funny to me. In my town there's this popular bakery that billed itself as a 'safe space' for LGBTQ+. It turned out that the owner voted against abortion and trans health care. When the queer community found out, we just stopped going there and started giving our money to the other bakeries in town. It's how I found out that there's a gay-owned bakery in town and that's where I go now.
Conservatives can’t imagine a protest that’s not a hate rally
Exactly - why was THIS guy singled out when other people signed that petition? “Hey, I remember that guy! He spelled my name wrong on my Little League T-shirt! LET’S GET HIM!”
EXACTLY!!! What happened to all the other people who signed that petition?! What? He was the ONLY one? I highly doubt that. To quote the late great Seymour (Larry Vincent) "I call 'em as I see 'em... and I see THAT one on its back on the table at Thanksgiving!"
Exactly. Like objectively speaking, right wing activists are far more likely to vocally protest (remember the boycott of that beer company that happened to send Dylan, a trans woman, some beer. They literally shot at the beer cans with guns because they felt so offended). Left-wing activists are more often than not part of a minority and not as likely to resort to such lengths as presented in the movie. It's more so a silent boycott to protect their own lives.
Imagine being a conservative who’s business solely relies on the opposition’s support lmaooo
i love the 'it's intolerance because we say so' line. like they couldn't have had the gay activist actually go 'its intolerance because you're trying to get rid of our rights' bc that might come too close to a point lmaoo
It's crazy because they said in so many subtle ways throughout the movie why exactly it's intolerance then randomly just forget. Like even Ron at the beginning said "you don't think I'm human being enough to get married". It's like they realized halfway through "shit we look like major assholes we need to make the gays look like braindead weirdos who just do whatever the queen Queen says
the fact that these people actually believe that the queer community would go after ONE SINGLE person because they signed a petition shows how self-centered they are.
The fight for equality is going so well in this universe that there's a shortage of other targets. No politicians sponsoring anti-gay bills. No companies shoveling million of dollars to anti-gay organizations or engaging in discriminatory practices. He's probably the only person in the county who actually signed the petition. Probably why the media was so against him. They found the one remaining bigot.
That confused the hell out of me, too! I mean, was the petition itself actually some “evil” scheme to get bigot info for harassment purposes? If so, kudos for a genuinely brilliant evil scheme, but I highly doubt the queer community has the time and energy between actually trying to defend basic legal rights and exist safely. It really was the MOST unrealistic part of this, and that’s saying a lot.
I know, right?
And the fact that they basically just.. copied what happened to gay men (to the least extreme degree) during stonewall and applied it to Ted- a cishet white man.
Not a very good idea, if you ask anyone with common sense.
this comment summarizes the movie so well lmao
The rich ones try to share "oppression" (consequences). Have you noticed how many MAGA freaks parrot Trump lines verbatim? Now think about what he said about the IRS getting nearly 100k more employees... he said "If they can come after me, they can come after you!" Meanwhile, the way it's worked for DECADES is that as the IRS gets defunded, they lose their power to go after the biggest tax-evaders (the rich) and instead go after the poor. Actually, increasing the number of agents _could_ increase how many regular people go to debtor's prison, but it would do more to fund the government to use those resources to hit like 50 billionaires.
Any time conservatives start screaming about being singularly "victimized," like a group of people considering one Christian a witch-like figure, it's literally just written by or made for a wealthy or highly influential person who got caught doing some dirt, and they pretend it's like that would happen for each individual Christian or conservative.
Is it so absolutely bizarre to see the characters in this movie act as if wanting to outlaw gay marriage is somehow not homophobic.
If I may play Pope's advocate, this kind of rhetoric is pretty common among reactionaries. They tell themselves that even if X hurts Y people, it's not Yism because their reasons for supporting X have nothing to do with Y. They don't want _anyone_ to get married to someone of the same sex, no matter their romantic orientation!
They often find Y people disgusting, but that's a separate matter from their political platform, of course.
Happens in real life, so it shouldn't be too surprising.
What a dumpster fire of a movie. "Oww I voted for the leopards eating people's faces party, and you DARE to I assume I want people's faces to be eaten??"
"I voted to only let certain people into the leopard-proof fortress, and now people are accusing me of not caring about the people I don't think should be allowed into the fortress and wanting them to die!"
"how dare you assume I hate a group just because I signed a petition to take their rights away" It's like they think the problem is individual feelings, whether they personally hate gay people, rather than their actions and the actual results of their actions on gay people
@@robokill387 Reminds me of Scott Cawthon claiming support for LGBT youth programs and then maxing out donations for as many republican political candidates as possible. Then covering his ass with 'I was just voting for whoever I thought would best run the country guys :(' 😅 As if the reason kids need those programs is not largely because of conservative outrage that those children exist.
@@EebyDeeby413 Honestly this still ticks me off cause big creators are acting like this isn't a big deal and still support this guy or are just ignorant to the issues of people like Scott doing what he does.
But have you consider face eating leopard's economic policies???
Waaaaaaait....
Did this movie just compare the civil rights movement and anti-racism to a group of self professed super-christians complaining about their lesbian neighbours being allowed basic rights in society?
Because that might be in poor taste.
That’s how delusional “Christians” (in quotations as no REAL Christian acts like this) with an imaginary persecution complex really think, which is wild in and of itself.
That has a duo purpose.
It's to give the impression that blacks don't support LGBTQ issues while denying White Evangelicals their direct involvement with drip feeding religious fundamentalist ideology into communities of color due to colonization.
Classic throwing the rock and hiding their hand
It's not just in poor taste, but also contradictory:
The Problem:
Rights are not exclusive to you - Rights exclude you;
The Solution:
Exclude people from rights; -Include people in rights;
They are literally opposites!
I mean we all know Ted would have protested against civil rights.
And yet these will be the same people that then bitch about comparing being gay to being black, or black civil rights.
At this point, I'm convinced that whoever wrote this script has never talked to another human being, let alone a queer one.
My favorite part is how unqueer the protest scenes are. There should have been at least ONE rainbow flag or a naked man singing lady gaga for me to believe it 😭
@@davidkonevky7372 "Hey, Bruce, it says here that the protesters should be waving rainbow flags and play "gay Lady Gaga music". Do we really have to do that? You know God is watching and my children are gonna see the movie, I really don't want them to get the wrong idea. Can we tone it down a bit?"
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15:28 “I’ve seen the way they treat those queens”
BARS
Yo David!
Is that David The Baker??? Wth you doing in Caelan Conrad’s comment section?!
((Love ur vids :]
Kid: What does “bigot” mean, mommy?
Mom: It means someone who is mean to people who aren’t like them
Kid: Why did someone call daddy a bigot?
Mom: Idk, sweetheart, all he did was sign a petition declaring that he agrees that gay people shouldn’t be allowed to get married because they’re not like us 🤷♀️
Edit: auto correct
This, from the "saying 'Happy Holidays' means you hate me personally" set.
That's this whole movie in a nutshell.
Honestly it's a perfect representation of every conversation with a Christian on this topic
"Why are they being mean to me? I wasn't mean to them, all I did was sign a petition to take away their right to marry! I just believe in traditional marriage. What? No, interracial marriage is okay. Not TOO traditional marriage"
@@GazzaTF oh plenty of them hate interracial marriage, too.
even clarance thomas, famously personally in an interracial marriage, has stated in his legal opinion that the legality of interracial marriages should be revisited. most complicated divorce plot in history
@@jurgnobs1308 As I recall, that was one of the Supreme Court decisions he did not mention as one that should be revisited in the ones he listed.
"I've been uncomfortable for like a week, tell me black woman, what's racism like? Cause I think I have an idea."
Exactly. That was the biggest non-Caelan joke in the whole video!
“Everyone hates me for oppressing them! It’s because I’m white 😢”
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Slave-owners when slavery was outlawed:
That was the best part of the movie. I laughed out loud!
It's so telling when rightwingers think that oppression is just "getting your feelings hurt" because they personally have not experienced someone trying to take away their human rights.
You're wrong, those horrible gays are constantly trying to take away *their religious freedom,* their God-given right to decide no one else can have any rights!
@@ND-nr6mxHomophobia biotch. You're actually insane and you should learn how to read. Why are you even here, you dumbass?
@@ND-nr6mxI hope this is being sarcastic and if it is that’s really funny
@@ND-nr6mxthats so funny omfg😂😂
They use highly exaggerated historical records of Christian persecution to justify it: "If it happened once, itll happen again"
So much of the Christian Rights actions and words are preemptive reactionary defense because their religion requires persecution to be right.
"All right queers, we can protest eight minutes in front of each home or business of everyone who signed the petition, or we can weirdly focus in front of the business of... I don't know, let's say this Ted guy?"
"I heard Ted's shop has a coffee nearby"
"It's settled then"
“The critics have called it comments turned off” is the FUNNIEST omg I cackled
Fuck, the acting from the main character finding out about American slavery for the first time was incredible
My jaw was on the FLOOR
I'm sorry, but why is there a picture of the "Desperate Housewives" cast representing the much better "Pretty Little Liars"?
@Scatscar1985 it was funny
Not only did he not know, he took it like a fun fact💀💀
Man said it with an eyeroll like he just wanted her to shut up about this whole slavery thing and get over it already
If Ted signed that petition on a whim and doesn't really feel strongly about it, why is he also so set on dying on that hill as his business burns down around him? Vincente literally said they were just asking for an apology and Ted flat out refused. Does he care strongly or not?
Conservatives think it's a virtue to never admit you made mistake.
It's probably not intentional, but it's a surprisingly good portrayal of how a surprising number of bigots radicalized themselves out of an inability to acknowledge that they made a mistake and tripling down
He literally could have been like "sorry man, I was kind of distracted, and they cornered me, so I just signed it without realizing what it was."
Movie over
"I was misled about the intent of the petition and denounce it and the people running it," was the standard in Michigan when business owners learned that petition signatures are public record and they started getting blowback for signing a voter suppression petition.
Plenty of people aren't going to believe him but it should deflect enough attention and might actually do some good if other people come forward and do the same.
Does the wife agree with him on this issue or not is also kind of back and forth.
"Even the chess club? And they HATE gays, I've seen the way they treat queens!" God dammit lmao
That gets my vote for Pun of the Year. 😂
Ted talking to Ron about “THEY’RE trying to redefine marriage Ron!” as if the guy he’s talking to isn’t part of “they” is absolutely wild 🤣
“I get that signing the petition is bigotry.”
“Baby go get me a box of razor blades.”
This movie should have been about Miss Dorothy grappling with her learned bigotry and slowly realising she's on the wrong side of history, and how deeply uncomfortable that would be for someone who survived Jim Crow laws. It can end with a brigade of butches visiting her home, fixing up all the DIY jobs her pastor son ignores when he visits, drinking lemonade with her and telling her about the black women at Stonewall.
h that could be very interesting. Like internalized bigotry is really interesting. Handles well of course.
I can't believe you've convinced me this movie needs a sequel, if it's THAT sequel.
I need this movie.
15/10 would watch
That would be a film I would love to see...
Good Christian message as well, about acceptance, compassion, loving thy neighbour, and all that stuff.
I love that the old woman doesn't want to be reminded of her family, so she keeps their photos hidden until they're going to visit. I relate to her apathy
I died at this. Got out her sons framed headshot and put it out because she wanted him to think she loves him 😮💨
@@caelanconrad Honestly, I think that's p considerate. Making people feel more appreciated, even if you don't, is still a nice thing, idk.
I personally would prefer my parents didn’t hide photos of me until I came over, lol
@caelanconrad well. I would, too. That's why I found it hilarious, since my family does the same for me. I felt it was funny in a relatable way
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25:10 "The Christian view was here first"
I don't know which to point out first: that the Indigenous folk had their own spritual beliefs that were *here* first; or the fact the Christianity is a relatively young religion; or the fact that there have deadass always been queer people 💁🏻♀️
Christians are ignorant of facts. That's why they ban and defund education
Christianity is actually one of the older still-active religeons. The only ones older are Judaism which was founded 1000-2000 years before Christianity depending on which theory you follow and Hinduism is insanely old being the world's oldest widely practiced religeon at over 4000 years old. (the Vedic Scripts were written around 2000 BCE) Neo Paganism is actually super recent being founded in the 1950s. Most of their "beliefs" are just fanfiction of mythologies which have mostly been lost to time and who most of our interpretations of come from pop culture since the original sources are long gone. Islam only started existing around 800-1000 CE long after Christianity was founded. Buddism and Confusianism are also semi-recent being founded around the same time as Islam. So Christianity is the fourt oldest widely practiced religeon, with Hinduism being the oldest and Shintoism (Japanese folk religeon) being the second oldest and Judaism being the third oldest. (or potentially the second oldest if you believe that Moses wrote the Torah and not Jewish refugees during the Babylonian exile) Honestly most religeons don't really last that long. See nearly every cult that formed in the last 100 years. They usually just completely fall apart after their leader/founder dies. The only way a religeon can survive is if either 1: it's founded on real history and is morally sound (Christianity is the main one but Confusianism and Buddism are also very moral and make sense, Judaism is Christianity but no Jesus and extra rules) 2: survives through shared cultural identity. (Judaism and Islam) or 3: Is a state religeon required by law. (Hinduism in India, Atheism in most communist countries, various religions in different periods of Japan and China's history, Islam in most of the Middle East, etc) Can you tell that religeon is one of my special interests?
@@KrimsonKattYT this has to be a flat earther joke something that took traditions from other cultures and relegions can not be the first one but i guess some people are still that home schooled
@@lord_xylozdoomsday959 I'm not a flat earther lmao. Any sensible person including Christains like me agree that the earth is round. You literally have to be brain dead stupid to think the earth is flat. Even the ancient Egyptian figured out the earth was round 4000 years ago using obelisks!
Edit: I never said Christianity was the oldest either, it's the 4th oldest and Judaism is the second or third. And yes, Christianity did take influence from other religions. It started out as an obscure Jewish sect that went mainstream when Emperor Constantine made it the state religeon and became it's own thing. And Judaism and Christianity are heavily speculated to have taken major influence from Zoroastrianism, the religeon of the pre-islamic Persian Empire that were monotheistic and believed in a purely good God of light named Azramarda and a wicked god of darkness Ariman, his equal and opposite. This religeon may have influenced modern perceptions of the God VS The Devil dynamic of opposite good and evil forces in a constant war for control over earth. Christianity also synchronized with Roman paganism. All the so-called "christain holidays" like Christmas and Easter were actually originally pagan Roman festivals that were changed to christain ones by Constantine to better convert the people of the Roman Empire. And the modern idea of "God" being an old guy in a cloud? That's taken from Zeus/Jupiter the pagan god of adultery (and thunder) and a mass sexual abuser on a cosmic scale. That depiction is blatantly blasphemous. Rather, God is an indescribable cosmic force of pure light and holy fire that cannot be comprehended by mere mortals. Older religeons like Hinduism and Shintoism developed completely independently from Judaism and Christianity and can't be counted as influenced. Most of the popular religeons seen today are way more recent too. And now Christianity has been overthrown as the world's most popular religeons by agnosticism, the belief in God or a higher power but not following any one religious dogma. According to the bible literally the only requirements to get into heaven are to believe in Jesus and repent of your sins. That's it. So technically as long as anyone from any faith follows those two requirements, they can go to heaven. And I'm pretty sure most Agnostics like Jesus, as most are ex-Christains wronged by the church and don't want to be called "christain" anymore in order to no longer be associated with their abusers. So they get to go into heaven as long as they're willing to repent.
@@KrimsonKattYT Buddhism and Confucianism are both older than Christianity by several hundred years. And Judaism isn't basically Christianity. It's a distinct religion not some Christian sect, denomination, or cult that changed a few things they didn't like.
This movie is legit the definition of “I made up a scenario to prove my point”
Aka the karen when she sees a trans girl playing in a park with her friends who are fine with it.
The message of the film was perfectly clear. If you offend the gays, even by accident, double down and never apologise, even if it means that you and your family lose everything. You can rely on your church and your community to stand by and do absolutely nothing while your life goes down the tubes, because a man has to live by principles he doesn't neccessarily hold. Just like John Wayne.
nice pfp
Your pfp just reminded me of that one time, a guy found the Pepsi font, but for some reason it was only in gold color.
If the creators of this movie found out black people can be gay. They’ll have a fit
Or that Christians can be gay.
*whispering* Nobody tell him about Brooklyn 99.
@matthewmccoyd2578 ...and all I have in my head right now is Holt shouting "BOOOOOONE!
I literally thought that the movie was gonna be that the son and his family coming over to her place was him having a husband and child or something lol
Dying at them openly admitting to the petition being bigotry but also being?? Confused?? That people are angry at them for it? It’s almost like being hateful makes people hate you in return
If I didn't know better, I'd say they don't think anything's actually wrong with bigotry.
My God, the people in this movie have goldfish level memory and infant level concept extrapolation. It's so... depressingly realistic.
It’s like when you write an essay for school but you know it’s so bad that you don’t wanna go back and proof read so you end up contradicting yourself like 20 times throughout it 😂😂😂
Homogeneity makes people stupid because their lives are so limited by fear of even tiny new ideas.
This comment is an insult to goldfish and infants tbh.
They shouldn’t have made the all the gay men so handsome if they didn’t want me to take their side.
That’s what I’m saying 😤
I'm already on their side cause the I'm bi and transfem, but they do help though in some fun ways
The most bizarre part of the “film” is the implied alternate reality in which a tiny T shirt shop can support a 5 person family.
I've seen this kind of argument before, "the only real bigotry is it's most extreme form. You can be anti someone's existence but as long as you're not actively trying to kill them you're not a bigot".
Also, love how the main character constantly flip-flops between saying he isn't that invested in defending "traditonal marriage" and acting like it's a corner stone of his entire belief system. Almost like he's a stubborn idiot doubling down on a spur of the moment decision because apollogizing would hurt his ego. How did the creators think this made them look good?
Yes, and it's such a dumb argument to where it's hard to tell if someone is intentionally trying to hide their bigotry or they're just that dumb or ignorant. It causes harm either way, it's just crazy when people think they aren't bigots just because they don't want to kill people.
If this this movie teaches anything, it's that you shouldn't have apologize when you do something stupid.
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As a bisexual I would just like to express my appreciation to these film makers for hiring some pretty hot guys to play the gay friend and the gay villain. 🥰
I wonder if the casting director was gay. I've seen some attractive guys play the hapless/evil gay figures in these movies but this one is a peak.
I'mma keep it real with ya, something I've noticed a bit. Making villainous characters gay-coded hasn't made me like being gay less, it's made me resonate with villains more. We stan our villainous gay kings like Scar from The Lion King.
i love when christians make movies where theyre so obviously in the wrong to literally anyone who is not zeroed in on their very specific worldview. like they cant even propoganda right.
It's abundantly obvious that they do not give two craps about actually persuading or converting anyone outside of their bubble.
"Yes, this is our everyman protagonist: Ted Murphy who never learned about slavery. And, instead of reflecting that his worldview may be MUCH narrower than he initially thought, said "What if that, but for me 👉👈🥺"
Like I'm christain and this movie is just so silly and out of touch it's insane. Do these right wingers really think the world is like this? Lmao.
@@KrimsonKattYTconservatives*
right-left is abt economy. im right wing cuz i think communal economy (left) is very unstable and either collapses or people suffer in poverty.
but im quite a lot progressive and libertarian, im just individualistic.
@@jktech2117 Keynesian economics isn't a communal economy though, it's the direct opposite; The right wing free market economics is far more communal.
“You don’t think I’m human being enough to be married, am I?” The writers have no grasp of who the subject and object are in a single sentence, and the entire film and all its characters kind of just carry the beacon of that energy from start to finish.
- I love how he's like "heterosexuality? That seems vaguely familiar" and "slavery? What's that?"
- the tribune comment was so stupid i laughed
They boycotted this man's business so fast he can't afford coffee tables that's so sad
They boycotted that man's business so hard, they retroactively changed the couse of reality over the last three months.
HE HAD NEVER HEARD OF SLAVERY?
Homeschooled, for sure
Heck, I was homeschooled for most of elementary and my mom taught me about Slavery and how bad it was. I never grew up in a racist environment and had friends from all different walks of life. It's crazy then that I got roped into the far right anti-SJW crowd in high school who were so blatantly racist and sexist. Thank God I abandoned that mindset and now am a center left trans bisexual catgirl lol. Insecurity and self-hatred are one hell of a drug I tell you...
The end result of homeschooling
@@hana-a-chaNo, he went to school on Florida😂
29:04 “I get tired of hearing about how gay is the new black, but I’m totally on board with you, a straight, white, cis, man comparing slavery and Jim Crow laws with you being expected to tolerate marriages you don’t like”. Oh boy.
"Now I'm being called a bigot when I do bigoted things. Can you believe that? Me, an old black woman, who everyone knows, get to decide what is and isn't bigotry?"
@@hmnhntr well, you see, 'gay is the new black' as in it's gay people's turn to decree what is and isn't bigotry. Don't you remember what the totally not strawman character said? "Because we say so!"
For the first 15 centuries of the religion virtually all Christians condoned slavery, misogyny, homophobia, genocide, colonization, etc. After all, the God of the Bible condones all of that.
Then humanism spread over the last few centuries and pushed back on the bigotry and authoritarianism. 200 years ago American Christians were split on the issue of slavery. Now? Christian apologists deny that slavery even exists in the Bible. (A lie, of course. See Leviticus 25:44,45. That's chattel slavery, not "indentured servitude.")
Now the battle has transitioned to LBGTQ+ rights. Bible "principles" are barbaric.
"I get tired of hearing that gay is the new black..." Uh... Matthew Shepherd might have a thing or two to say.... oh... wait...
I'm always perplexed about how they get black people to participate in these movies. I get that some of the black community is anti-LGBTQ, but I still feel like it'd take more than that to get someone to agree that slavery = a handful of people protesting your business for like, a week.
29:21 the way they pit gay vs black ignores thr existence of queer black people
fr. Like, there is absolutely a LOT to be said about the way black queer/LGBTQ+ people are treated by the wider community, because...duh. Any communityhas a lot to work on in that area. But I think this film's creators' heads would explode if they actually encountered black people who aren't cishet. Touring the campus of a college like UNC Gaysboro would culture shock them lmao
Why is he the only guy getting attacked in this movie lol. It's he the only one that signed that petition?
Yeah, him and the woman who came up with the idea of it. All those other people in the movie are people whose hatred runs so deep they came to the tiny town to listen to stupidity. :)
Damn the free market decided they didn't want homophobic tshirts. sounds like you're just not doing capitalism right Ted.
Tbh they must be some shit-ass t-shirts if not even the other homophobic people in town wanted to do business with him.
Mediocre straight man puts ugly plain text on ugly solid-color tees and feels persecuted when his business isn't thriving
He should've pulled himself up by his bootstraps instead of whining about being oppressed.
movie has 10/10 realism for showing there's nothing more dainty delicate and cowardly than a bigot's persecution complex, though
"Gay people don't spit in your coffee, they spit in your mouth."
-Caelan Conrad 2023
I'll like it
The other accidentally pro-gay part of the movie is the fact Ted and his whole family are “friends of Dorothy” 👀
@@josiahjray totally underrated comment 😭
Can I get the hateful phone call audio as a ringtone because that would be life changing
I love the very specific worldview expressed in this film where a bunch of pro-queer rights people would spend time and money protesting some Random Homophobe instead of, say, someone with actual power and influence.
Anyways this film expresses a worldview so transcendentally removed from reality that it captivates me.
Plus, they protest, harass, and boycott him in literally the most boring and routine ways possible, which I found a little insulting.
I like to think it's because in this world gay people have taken over. There's no real political pushback, so now all they are left with is punching down random bigots.
Religion is removed from reality. These people base their worldview on Iron Age mythology.
@@dinosaysrawr Yeah, like we are scheemy, we could do better.
Because that's the narrative they've drummed up for themselves; regular people being terrorized by us filthy gays for expressing ~normal~ opinions.
That most of the country disagrees with.
You know, I'm pretty sure Ron would be one of those awful Masc4Masc, no fats, no fems, no Asians gays on Scruff and yet he's still _somehow_ the most realistic character in this movie.
Best actor too and even the strawman gay rights activist they made him is somehow more sympathetic.
I don't care if you try and tell me "gaydar" is a myth, Ron is the straightest "gay character" i've ever seen. I mean, I guess I should just be happy dude didn't do a cartoonish lisp or something - but still, I'd clock that dude as straight within seconds.
yeah it was hard to root for the gay characters knowing that they were probably played by homophobic straight men 😭
@@gwencere9383yeah thats probably why none of them had love interests
‘how did black people endure slavery?’ made me go WHAT out loud
12:49 I love that putting the mug on the CARPET clinked
Ted: The Christian view was HERE FIRST 😭
The entire BCE: Am I a joke to you
Hinduism was technically "here first" if you consider the world as a whole. It's the world's oldest religeon, outdating even judaism by a good couple thousand years. If you just consider America, the natives were here for THOUSANDS before the Europeans came and game ended all of them to take their land.
@@KrimsonKattYTGiven that the topic is defining marriage and rights, I'd say that the focus of who was here first obviously applies to gays over christians.
Isn’t Zoroastrianism the oldest? They don’t have many followers still though
Maybe for major religions, but I suspect Indigenous Australian faiths are even older what with being the oldest extant culture with an oral tradition dating back to the last Ice Age.
Either way, Christianity is relatively new in the broad scheme of human existence and what a typical American Christian considers to be “traditional marriage” is an extremely recent thing. At the most basic level, marriage is traditionally just about making heirs and having inheritance-anything else is culturally specific stuff that varies a lot across time and space
@@davidmaxwell4696 True! The legal definition of marriage is very recent. For most of history it was just a way to make babies. Monogamy itself wasn't even common until God told the jews to stay faithful to one partner in order to reduce relationship issues in the tribes. Of course the jews just ignored this rule with kings having 50 wives and created patriarchy after being influenced by their neighbors, with made God very mad. Confucius did something similar in the east in making the idea of monogamy the moral standard rather than the rare exception. Once Christianity took over the Roman Empire this idea of "monogamy good, polyamory bad" became super widespread in the west, which was only like 1500 years ago. And even then the LEGAL side of marriage wasn't a thing until the middle ages and was invented to barter and trade women like property. Now marriage is only really done for cultural reasons and for health insurance, but probaly in the next 50 years or so "legal marriage" will become less common and the idea of monogamy and only having relationships with consenting adults will become the baseline rather than a hetrocentrist, patriarchal outlook on marriage and relationships.
I spat out my water when he compared slavery and Jim Crow to his business being boycotted. Idk how Ms Dorothy kept a straight face.
Edit: I kept watching, Ms Dorothy I was rooting for you
Obviously he was homeschooled. 😅
I just imagine that he was born a 45 year old man with no knowledge of the universe and his parents were just like yeah he’ll be fine
Literally she was speaking so much truth about how slavery never truly ended & Black people are still being put down and then she just turns around and goes, "but those *gays* though.."
Do you think they ever realized that Jim Crow is not an individual person in the process of writing this
Jimothy Crow
@@caelanconrad
What a douchebag. Fuck Jimothy Crow! All my homies hate Jimothy Crow!
No, then they'd eat crow.
Maybe I should start using custom ringtones again because I 100% want the obscene call to be my ringtone
Thanks so much for having actual subtitles and not auto-generated.
Marriage: I've heard of that!
Systemic racism: I haven't heard of that!
Do they ever reveal how people knew he signed the petition?
And an even more glaring plot hole - why was he the only one being harassed for signing the petition? Was he the only one that signed it?? Or is it just right-wing solipsism? 😂
The petition was actually a 6d chess move by one of the many gay newspapers in this town to identify homophobes
The Gayper (gay paper) published the names (and addresses??) of everyone who signed the petition.
I like to think the woman who got him to sign the petition was actually part of the Gay Agenda and that was her way to fish out the homophobes
@@kwarra-anMy question is, how did they obtain this information? Did they request it from the people that made the petition, did the petition people make it public, or does the Gayper have a bunch of hackers on their payroll? In addition, if Ted's in trouble because he signed the petition, why is he supposedly the only person people care enough about to ruin his business?
@@whichcache2517I assumed there was someone in the petitioners' org who leaked the petition to the Gayper. Ultimately, it all boils down to this film being very contrived and of poor quality!
The insinuation that this town has more than one gay newspaper is so funny to me. How big is the gay community there? 😂
For realz. One queer rag, we are working to change hearts and minds. Two queer rags, the sweater vests and the cat girls are scratching are own eyes out, the str8s be damned.
could be any size really for back in 2013 (basically citizen kane times) newspapers were a huge deal!
If you think about it seemed like the town really only had like a handful of people who weren't lgbt or allies. Nobody was coming out in support of main character guy except his family and that black lady. Maybe 99% of the people are queer or allies.
@@FrenkTheJoy sooo, are we talking statistical anomaly or should I get the team of rag-tag heroes ready to investigate the reality-warping tear in the fabric of spacetime that's going to destroy the entire universe eventually?
My STUBBORN+ Pride float would just be me pulling on a push to open door for the entire parade
"I believe in tradiotional marriage but I didn't wanna go to war for it!" is such a funny line. Like... It is nice you got a chance, dude. People die for their rights every day, I don't think they are thrilled about that either.
Also calling "bigotry" just "hate" or "dislike" is so typical for Christian media. Bigotry is very much always linked to a religious belief system. Bigot is a word for those who preach love but act out of hate. Of course he doesn't wanna give his kids the definition.
10:04 "I told him just to go talk to you" Does she think that if her husband makes things right with this singular gay all the other ones will magically stop being pissed at him too? Like the movie literally thinks we all know each other?
oh! that reminds me i still owe you lunch, Brian!
Clearly you don't have a subscription to the gay newspaper that tells us all who we like and don't like
@@msjkramey You get appointed keeper of the gay agenda in the same way as jury duty works in the US.
I don't think so. The fantasy is that the two men can mend their friendship if they just "agree to disagree."
Of course it will, that's how queer hive mind works.
Dude really went:”Yes I’ve heard about bigotry being disguised as religious freedom once or twice in my time.”
It’s wild how it’s like this movie was written solely to be made fun of by you
Well, them and God Awful Movies, which is where I first heard of it
@@catsmom129I'm willing to bet that at least 70% of the 3000 views on the film are GAM listeners
“I’m just trying to take away their basic civil rights, why are they treating me like a villain?”
the part about miss dorothy putting up pictures of her "husband" before her family visited her made me think she was gonna turn out to be a lesbian
Their names and addresses got leaked because...they signed a petition. 1) How the hell do you get an address and phone number from a simple petition? I guess it's a small town or something? 2) I love how this sort of movie just has to invent things that have literally never happened. Like, it tells you just how delusional this sort of person is that they literally have to make up stuff because, otherwise, they would just be self-evidently the villains.
I wouldn't put it past Mr "I haven't heard of that," to just write his phone number on the petition unprompted, which is probably why we don't hear about anyone else being harrassed.
you can get those off any voter roll actually
and even then, they ARE self evidently the villains even when they twist it
20:55 you dont go after someone's personal life and family over your 'disagreements', he said, with zero irony...
I do love that the "Equality Today" paper is just a regular paper with the title glued on and outlined in crappy markers.. this whole movie could have been shot by children forced into working for their Christian families... 8:40 btw
This movie feels like it’s making fun of right wing media
Well, it WAS insanely low budget. Like, literally running on a shoe string budget of MAYBE like $100. Most actors probably didn't even get paid. You can clearly tell that this is less so a "professional work" and more like the quality of a high school fan film. Couldn't expect any less from homophobes. Literally no one supports them so they have no money unless they get funded by right wing billionaires like TDW does.
@@KrimsonKattYT it's why they want to bring child labor back... because they not only don't want to pay anyone for anything if they don't have to, they think kids are like lizards and will grow back limbs that were cut off during filming accidents.
i kinda feel bad for the kids in this movie, like imagine growing up with the knowledge your face is attached to this train wreck forever. i hope at least some of those kids turn out better than the wack job parents that let them be in this
I've seen a weird trend of christian-made movies failing to make a convincing argument for their beliefs despite literally controlling the entire narrative. I only have two nickels but its weird that it happened twice
I really love that all it would've taken is the guy to apologize and say he didn't put a lot of thought into what he was signing and he would've been fine
As a confirmed Episcopalian, I am so proud these idiots tried to throw shade at us for being one of the more accepting and justice-oriented American churches. Not really a religious person, but happy that that was the church I was raised in and spent time with.
Common Anglican W tbh, they don't give you a hard time about your sexuality.
I love how the whole movie is about the exact behaviour the "christians" use when they find someone/thing they don't like, as if there's picket lines of peopleall over the place FOR LGBTQ+ inclusion when it's usually them protesting against it. (Westboro Baptist anyone?)
Also, I'm honestly insulted that they think we'd show up to a rally in beige khakis with plain white signs written in Sharpie.
@@dinosaysrawrI know! I am non-binary and pansexual. We love glitter pens and stickers. The asexuals would totally sell garlic bread and pride buttons. Also, where are all the sharp dressed Trans ladies? I did not see one pair of high heels or a decent wig on anyone.
Every conservative accusation is a confession
ah projection
I wanna take this opportunity to share a fact that doesn't get shared enough, that even the KKK thought the westboro baptist church went too far. And like... yikes.
Actually gays were here before we invented religions. There's gay cave art out there thats 12,000 years old.
Hello! Where is this cave art and how do we know it’s gay? I don’t doubt you at all but I also don’t know how detailed actual cave art is and am curious what gay cave art looks like…
This whole movie is so full of victim mentality! "Oh, I don't want gay people to get tortured, locked up or killed! I just believe in *traditional* marriage, and don't think gay people should marry!" "You don't get it, guys! It's sooo hard when other people *don't* enable your bigotry! We're being persecuted!" Like, girl, if you target a certain group of people (directly or indirectly), that group of people is gonna be mad.
i googled how to make ringtones just so i could make your obscene call into one
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So the message of this was... even if you are friends with gay people and know you are being bigoted, you should keep trying to deny gay people rights, and the only way you will stop is if the gay community comes together for protest, boycott amd action to marginalize your hate? That second part is kind of based ngl.
“What, are you a communist or something? You don’t like John Wayne?”
Fun fact, Stalin actually loved John Wayne movies.
Like, seriously. Look it up.
(Edit: added “movies” bc I was unclear)
I just looked it up and it says Stalin wanted John Wayne killed
i looked it up and i dont think "loved" is an entirely accurate description 😂
I replied to this and my reply disappeared? Anyway I looked this up and that is very much not the case lol
@@oscarwilde3670 youtube loves to shadow ban comments for seemingly no reason sometimes
He loved his movies but hated John as a person I've gathered
Boggling at the lack of coffee table till I realize...who wants to bet they rented a film set that usually films...shall we say a different (and far more interesting) genre of low budget film. That coffee table will just get in the way of the uh...Action happening on the couch.
Nailed it...I mean, wait, what do I mean...
Naw I bet it's cuz they needed to remove the table to make room for the cameras when they were shooting the family face-on, and they didn't bother re-dressing the set when they did the reverse shots from behind the sofa.
@@natmorse-noland9133 but if would be too obvious they forgot to put it back when the actor had to set the mug on the ground?
FAX📠😂
conservatives want 2 be oppressed soooo bad
At about 7:45, main character guy doesn't really get why his gay friend was mad, after he signed something that said his friend should be a second class citizen.
His gay friend Ron:
Have you maybe considered that your situation would stop being a problem if you maybe Idk rethink some of your views.
Ted: Nah...
Like seriously does any straight people watching the vid think Ted is in the right here ? Why would they include that scene ?
Ok someone involved in this was a double agent. The script is way too self-aware and genuinely funny to be unintentional. Surely someone was sneaking this shit in on purpose.
We stan this secret agent.
As a bisexual who attends an episcopal church that joke was actually hilarious
I laughed out loud. I'm atheist but I have Evangelical family and yeah. It was actually a very smart and funny line.... probably the only one in the entire movie because it's about the only honest and even vaguely self aware line in the entire movie.
Us Anglicans here in Africa are still shaken by your audacity! *_SHAKEN!!_*
P.s. how're the benchmarking tours going?
I was genuinely surprised by that line.
I didn't think they had it in them.
Get out! The Bible condemns gay sex unambiguously and in every context.
Lesbian in a 43-year same-sex marriage here -- also an active Episcopalian.
How TF are you gonna frequent a gay coffee shop, be best friends with the owner, and NOT be aware of their struggles?
I'm new to this channel but 5:28 is probably the best editing gag I've seen on UA-cam all month
It’s only the 6th 😩😩😩
As an episcopal, I know why they included them. The Episcopal Church allows openly gay clergy.
Oh damn that’s a very inclusive way to go to hell 🥰
And everybody else -- our parish manager and about a third of our congregation are LGBTQ.
Based tbh.
Former RC here and that was the one line of the original script that got a legit laugh from me. Everybody dunks on the Piscos lol
the "christianity was here first" line had me howling ded
yeah, yeah... who was on Turtle Island first? lol
My mind immediately went to Sappho and Achilles and Patrocles.
We also need to mention that Mr. Goodman is a covetous Jewish stereotype
So true
Mr. Goodman vs. Mr. Whiteman, in case the first dogwhistle wasn't loud enough.
@@n8chzWait, is the protagonist literally named Whiteman?
Fucking seriously?
Does he have a brother named... Saul?
Oh my god, i'm jewish and I didn't even clock that
29:34 I almost died, I chocked so hard on my coffee. Just excellent. If I wasn’t already subscribed, this moment would have done it.