Bouncing between this and the podcast version over multiple days to make it through, and dang, it never ceases to amaze me how Trent can just whip out not just the names of every historical and contemporary philosopher of note, but also verse and chapter citation for biblical references all without even glancing at a page of notes.
Matt has gotten so good at interviewing! Asking questions that he knows the answers to and raising objections that he doesn’t believe in for the sake of the audience. Well done!
"Life is good...Just because something is a basic good doesn't mean we have to pursue it, but we just can't act against it." You have no idea how much that helped me. My wife is trying to justify contraception and I have been having trouble articulating fully why that is not an option to me. Thank you so much for the insight!
@@pintswithaquinas ijhgfgh what do you think??? how good must you be to enter heaven? ever lied? stolen? lusted? cursed? hated? we have broken Gods laws but Jesus has paid our fine!
@@pintswithaquinas God says this with love: The 30K+ institutions of man have been a curse with the 2000+ years of fruits to prove that. Solution: Don't follow Paul or Apollos or Cephas. Follow the Bible and follow Christ. The Father at Mt. Transfiguration interrupted Peter (paralleled with the Catholic club attempts to own the experience and profit monetarily in most cases). That's the problem and the fruits show it all too clearly. Apostle Paul clearly spoke against denominations in a sense of not following man. Drink the Bible straight up. Don't follow the mixologists of man with their favorite concoctions for more followers of themselves all in the Name of God. Follow God/Jesus/Bible only and put your denominations away per the early Church versus the churchclubs of today. Wherever 2 or more are gathered centered on God is the True Church as opposed to churchclubbin'.
Matt, I'm an Evangelical brother here from South Carolina but wanted to let you know that I enjoy your show so much . Having Trent do a long form interview was a treat. Looking forward to more!
Matt, first thank you for taking time to respond . I found it very respectful! I've been listening to yours and Trent's stuff for a while now and both of you demonstrate a charitable attitude any time I have heard you. Oh, and as a result of that.. I probably have fewer disagreements than you might think , a few...but much less than a few years ago 😉
Christopher Jones oh that’s wonderful to hear! Have you considered joining RCIA? It doesn’t have to be a commitment to becoming Catholic right away but it’s a great space to learn more in person and ask questions :)
2 hours and 30 minutes into the conversation. I've been listening to it during the day with some pauses. Didn't realize how long this was when I started. Very cool, Matt Fradd!
I’m filled with such gratitude and love for God, and for my brothers in faith Matt Fradd and Trent Horn. I’m a new Catholic convert and I still find the faith to be incredibly challenging. Tonight I feel edified and tranquil just listening to these men speak. God bless you and keep you, brothers. Thanks for sharing.
I owe Trent a lot for my conversion, his book "Why We're Catholic" opened the door for Catholicism in my life. Sadly I don't listen to his podcast anymore after how he handled the whole Pachamama debacle and the constant jumping through hoops to make Pope Francis seem Orthodox. We have a crisis in the Church and the answer isn't to just ignore that anything bad is happening and completely focus on evangelization. You can only convert so many Protestants until you realize that your own Church is burning down...
Murrax9 you are exactly right on this. Bishop Barron is on this same path unfortunately. We need to take the blinders off, repair the damage, and rebuild first.
Trent Horn kept his cool in the Pachamama brouhaha. The worst response to the crisis is hyperbolic overreaction that ignores the real problems and actual solutions.
Yup same here! I’m enjoying this interview so far (I’m about 90 minutes in) but I’m overall disappointed with Trent and Catholic Answers. I just wish they’d see the truth about pachamama. #redpill
The Catholic Church cannot burn down. Jesus prayed for its protection. Yes, fallible individuals do nutso things -- but the Holy Spirit strengthens us to endure and overcome. Everyone talking about how "we" need to fix the current crises: *yes we do.* And at the same time, as many humans as possible, beloved by the Father, deserve our evangelical outreach to become part of that "we". I strongly disagree that our evangelical specialists should abandon their stable focus on evangelism of non-Catholics, to focus on internal Church crises except insofar as reassuring converts that it's still safe to come in. If God is calling you to help rebuild and heal damaged parts of the Church right now, that's great. You're a white blood cell. But the body also has outstretched hands, too. And other people need them. I, like you, am a convert. Two years in. And yes, the spiritual battleground of modern times, including mass confusion among Church members, is... epic. But it's still more stable here than outside God's Church. This is the rock, and I cling to Jesus, and he doesn't let me down. And the work of bringing other people to the same blessings I've found, can't stop. Multiple things can be true at once. And different members of the body can reach different people at different times in different ways. If everyone jumped on the same bandwagon and topic all at once, we'd IMMEDIATELY stop helping every outsider for whom that's-not-their-issue-right-now. My suggestion would be to look for the good in whatever anyone does, unless they're BLATANTLY contradicting God. If they just seem to be 'ignoring' something that you think should be talked about by everyone at all times... maybe they're actually doing good work for God in a different way, and we should look for that, and remember that the body really does have different members with different purposes.
I've listened to this episode well over 30 times - still my all time favourite - both Matt and Trent are a ray of sunshine in catholic defending! Keep up the good work. God bless+
First time watching a full PwA episode! Very high quality questions and topics you brought up and loved how you brought a “skeptic” point of view to make him fully explain to a lay person his view entirely. Looking forward to future episodes!
Matt Fradd he’s been made out to be some sort of fanatic and they’ve even managed to get some of his talks cancelled www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0110/1105663-jason-evert/
I bought Trent Horn’s book, “What Catholics Believe” and gave it to my son, who hasn’t gone to church since his teenage years. I pray daily that he will read it some day!
@@DK666999 There's nothing wrong with buying his son a book and praying that he reads it. As long as he stops there and respects the fact that his son is more intelligent than he and Trent are and doesn't keep pushing. Who knows, maybe his son can show him why Trent's reasoning is idiotic.
@@purplesuitman3764 if you're at peace with not being able to see the fallacious, nonsensical gibberish in Trent's arguments then I guess ignorance really is bliss. There's no hate on my part, just pity.
Greetings from Australia! I’m an Ortho inquiring into Cath.WOW. What an interview! Thank you for your interview style, Matt. So entertaining and I love the questions that you ask. Trent was such a fantastic person to listen to, as well. So much knowledge!! And his delivery is fantastic. Taking the seemingly complex and scholarly information, and delivering it in Layman’s terms for every body to understand with great usage of metaphors and examples. I’ll probably even watch it again, cos it’s that great! Thank you, E.
I feel so stupid whenever I listen to Trent Horn but I love his brain! I've seen both men speak at a Catholic conference. So inspiring and Trent is seriously a walking wikipedia. Knowledge just BLEEDS out of him! Love what you're sharing. God bless!
Bounced over from Capturing Christianity! So fab to see a discussion instead of a skirmish. Interested in what Catholics believe and not a bunch of angry rhetoric. You recommended this episode, so here I am! I have to do some reeeaaaaly boring stuff, so I'm giving this a listen!
@Pints With Aquinas I don’t know how long you could talk but you sure have a talent for getting and listening to others talk. I love to listen to all of you talk. Your program is definitely one of the 3 best on any media. Thanks for your work; it’s important. You might try inviting someone with a chronic illness on to see what can be taught about suffering physically. It’s a great way to learn patience.
Hi Trent, I feel the same way as you I do not get the "feeling" too. But please know that people like that are a gift from God. As we know without feeling, we know with out touching the whole in our Lord's hand. God knows how to reach each and everyone of us.
For the record, I really enjoyed reading What the Saints Never Said. I thought it was a fun and informative read, and I highly recommend it to anyone who's debating whether or not to pick it up.
This was an amazing discussion and I’m so grateful to both PWA and TH for helping me in my faith formation. Many of these objections I have discussed with my husband and I have had many of the same responses to his objections that Trent gave. Really appreciate all the work that these men are doing. And many thanks to their wives for supporting and encouraging them so that they can do this important work!!
I thoroughly enjoyed hearing the both of you approach discussions with others with opposing beliefs. I’ve often struggled with this even when I do my best to be charitable, my delivery can sometimes be taken the wrong way. This was an enlightening conversation. Please do more! You and Trent Horn are such a pleasure to listen to and learn from. God bless you both 🕊
I am a Protestant man, but I love this interview. This channel is consistantly presenting excellent apologetics and material that are supporting Christendom
Great video. I think Matt Fradd would be an excellent moderator for a debate between Tim Gordon and Trent Horn on what the Catholic teaching is on women in the work place.
What incredible minds. Thank you both for providing this discussion. I'm so glad to live in the internet age and have access to such rich and impressive content, especially since I would never encounter an informed, advanced exploration of these topics in my normal life. I really appreciate your work, Matt.
Very nice new camera work Matt! The shots and lighting look really nice as well as the new PWA logo. However, Trent’s face is seen in the mirror on the left facing shot, it’s hilarious
So weird to hear you say Pints with Aquinas vs The Matt Fradd Show (yes I watched the video explaining). Needless to say, I'm happy you're figuring out how both shows can live under one show title. So excited for this SUPER LONG interview!! Thanks for all you do Matt!
Trent, you are my favorite apologist and a genuinely awesome man. I am a young Catholic man who loves the Faith but still has some doubts from time to time. Two arguments that I find to be most compelling against the existence of God and Catholicism in general are these. First, if God exists, why is it that he is so hard to see? What is the reason for Him not fully revealing Himself to us in the present day? Second, if I go all-in in my Catholicism, does that make me rigid and unable to genuinely entertain other ideas? Am I boxed in?
I listen to Catholic videos in the mornings while prepping my upcoming lesson plans. I was prepping one on a part of The Crucible, where the credibility of witnesses is challenged. That was right when 44:57 played, lol. Thanks for the idea, Matt! Pull quotes from Fatherhood will be in tomorrow's lesson, right before the author's mugshot.
This made me remember how grateful I was that I don't have to understand everything to be allowed to participate at Mass to return and receive Holy Communiion, and the great comfort and gratitude that the Truth doesn't depend on whether or not I believe it, and that faith isn't arrived at purely through reason. It is the gift of God to whoever will open their heart to Him. So in that sense Truth does depend on us :).
I'm very grateful that you had Trent on this conversation, conversation being where we find truth most often. I found his charge of St Thomas's Fallacy of Composition to be absolutely delightful, for it gives us the opportunity to work through a Thomistic thought primarily, at its base. I think that I disagree with Trent for the following reason: His assertion that St Thomas committed the fallacy of composition I think is based on an assumption of the nature of time that may not obtain. Since Trent, to my knowledge (I may have missed something in my surprise and pleasure) did not define 'time,' we need to deal with that concept, which is perhaps a bit trickier than Trent might (might, mind you) think, at least in this conversation. What is 'time'? Didn't St Augustine say, _What then is time? If no one asks me, I know what it is. If I wish to explain it to him who asks, I do not know_ ? I think that that depends on what you mean by 'what is'. Our definitions are not reality unless they accord with it, and that means that we have to ask some very serious fundamental questions about what we assume about them. Just what exactly are we asking? Are we asking to find an answer that accords with some other, already-familiar concepts? If we find something that is totally 'different,' how will we explain it (we don't do very well 'explaining' the electron, for example)? In physics, sometimes 'time' is equated with 'motion.' I have read physicists who insist that there is only motion and not time at all. This I think is a little simplistic and precipitous. In classical relativity, 'time' is part of 'space' in a kind of equation (perhaps something like 'space + time = 0') that says 'the faster you use space, the less time you have.' This is an oversimplification, but I think it'll do for this discussion. This means that time = space in a very real sense, so what Aquinas says about time applies equally to space and is not the fallacy of compposition. This nature of spacetime is the reason Mercury is in 'the wrong place,' for it is so deep in the sun's acceleration (gravity) that time runs more slowly on it than it does on earth. The same holds true for clocks in orbit, which run about 38,700 nanoseconds per day faster than clocks on earth. So we can't actually assume the same nature or the same kind of nature for time that we do for space. They are different though inextricable. Thus, I think that we actually can do and say as St Thomas does about time (he says early on in the Summa Contra Gentiles that we can't regress in time for infinity, which I think is true if the Big Bang Theory has validity to it, and thus the argument fro motion --- which I think quite convincing --- is in fact valid and true) without committing the Fallacy of Composition, because he's talking about something quite apart from space which seems to have a beginning, considering what we've seen of its expansion and motion. Something --- someone --- set it in motion. Trent, of course, goes on to reason carefully about the 'extreme forms' of the Fallacy of Composition and about everything else in this episode, and does so ennobling his mind and ours. Thank him for us (again), and thank you.
I fell asleep watching your channel and woke up right when Trent was talking about how he came to believe and how he never gets any of those in your face personal moments that show God but he came to believe through more philosophical ways. It's the same for me and It's so easy to feel that way yet never end up coming to believe simply because you don't feel like you belong around the people in churches. I still feel that way but it was really good to hear him explain it and why we should use the way we are in different ways.
Turncoat is a derogatory term from the American Revolutionary War used to insult someone who switched sides in the conflict. At the time soldiers literally wore decorated coats as part of their uniform.
The way he described his conversion I felt the same exact thing from Catholic to evangelical. God is so good!! He wants us to all connect. Tower of Babylon. Mans ideals are not important but the truth of God is of the ultimate importance. Us Christians must reconnect!!!! Forget the man made distractions.
I love Trent Horn and plan on reading his many books but he suffers from the same issues that most scholars, philosophers, scientists and seekers of "truth" suffer from, abundant curiosity. The problem with abundant curiosity is that most people couldn't care less about the subjects and reasons they openly dive into. Apathy and ignorance are not going away anytime soon, people live their entire lives without ever needing to tackle these ideas or problems and still live life with no regrets. My parents are very similar in this thinking, I personally love to ponder these topics all day long and sit under a lamp with books in hand and search the mysteries of life but they will say "Is this going to help put food on the table and fix the TV when it stops working? if it doesn't then why bother?". For many truth is whatever you want it to be and that is plenty enough for them as long as it puts food on the table and keeps a roof over their head.
You may be correct about many being void of curiosity...until life gets really hard. I'm one who has always pondered deep questions but have come to realize that communicating God's imminent love for us often connects when rational arguments don't.
Thank you very much for bringing Trent on. I am now convinced Trent is a genius, but unfortunately there are some things I strongly disagree with him about. I think he himself needs to be challenged more in his beliefs, and not allow it to become an echo chamber. His “tier 1” theistic apologetics is absolutely solid, but his “tier 2” stuff has been getting more liberal over the years, and more detached from traditional theology of the fathers and doctors.
The peace prayer??!!!NOT from St. Francis????!!!! But I have a mug that proves it was! ;p (Protestant here who's world is now shook. St. Francis is one of my favorite old saints outside of the biblical ones.) My coffee mug now exists to mock my disillusionment, though it's still a great prayer.
It's a very interesting conversation. It also shows how difficult it is to make a coherent meaning of the Bible if everything is to be taken literally out of it, as many people want to do. It's the greatest book of all times not because it's inspired, thus perfect, thus the word of God, but because it's a history book that at the same time encompasses ontology and ethics, written along thousands of years by hundreds of persons according their narrative styles, methodology and traditions. It must be read and correctly interpreted, never imposed from just one perspective. That's the trouble churches carry on with themselves. A book that could (and is) useful to everybody for it's deep wisdom and historical value turns into a nonsensical imposition of simplicities and bad choreographic mental gymnastics when it's words become dogmatic.
Join a parish and if they have a men’s group join go on every retreat they sponsor and every parish function they have ask to volunteer to be a usher and tell your pastor or assistant where can he guide you to men of the parish!
I want to hear his comments on the interview with Tim Gordon, and would like to see if he is willing to do a debate again with a moderator. I am big fan of Tim Gordon and thought that he made a solid argument on both feminism and the death penalty, however it may have gotten a bit heated and could be done again. Love Trent Horn too he is a smart dude.
@@BoBByPaul820 I hear you. But it got heated because Tim was hostile. Tim is always puffed up with pride and arrogant. After he did an interview with Matt Fradd, he was on with Taylor Marshall whining about Matt! And he made fun of how Matt divides up a long interview/video into shorter videos, per topic. Such a silly thing. I actually appreciate that Matt does that because sometimes you want to find something that was said about a specific topic. And Tim whined to Taylor about Matt referring to him as "Timothy". Really?? Matt probably did that for his followers might not be familiar with him, and because that's how his name is shown in his social media profiles. It was actually a good thing for Tim, because people could better find him, because that's his full name! So silly. So anyway, Tim would definitely not have a discussion with Trent (or anyone else), with Matt as moderator. I just can't see that ever happening. If it does, it would be a miracle.
This was such a great podcast! I learned a lot! It was very enjoyable to listen to, lots of great topics and great arguments. Friendly, engaging. I especially appreciated the discussion of natural rights and sex vs love. Great guys! Thanks a lot! Subbed, hopefully I don't become Catholic now ;)
Regarding people clinging tighter to their beliefs when refuted, my opinion is that the reason people do this is due to pride. And this is a perfect instance where the proverb Humility is the beginning of Wisdom applies. No humility, nothing learnt, ignorance continues. Regarding arguments for the existence of God, my favourite that I've heard is a really tricky cerebral one. It's basically this: If you imagine the most beautiful, most perfect, most delectable thing possible (i.e. God) wouldn't this thing have the quality of existing rather than not existing... Obviously the answer is Yes... I mean as far as I'm concerned it's obvious that God exists and it's obvious that God doesn't exist. But I like the idea of God existing so much more, and I like the idea of being someone who believes God exists so much more. And p.s. you guys are real dam cool, and I love this kind of talk.
Bouncing between this and the podcast version over multiple days to make it through, and dang, it never ceases to amaze me how Trent can just whip out not just the names of every historical and contemporary philosopher of note, but also verse and chapter citation for biblical references all without even glancing at a page of notes.
Matt has gotten so good at interviewing! Asking questions that he knows the answers to and raising objections that he doesn’t believe in for the sake of the audience. Well done!
I like his questions.
Thats called sophistry, aka devils advocacy
"Life is good...Just because something is a basic good doesn't mean we have to pursue it, but we just can't act against it." You have no idea how much that helped me. My wife is trying to justify contraception and I have been having trouble articulating fully why that is not an option to me. Thank you so much for the insight!
Stay strong!
I like when these things go for longer hours! You’re able to get a lot deeper into different topics, and cover a lot more areas!
Thanks!
@@pintswithaquinas ijhgfgh
what do you think???
how good must you be to enter heaven? ever lied? stolen? lusted? cursed? hated?
we have broken Gods laws but Jesus has paid our fine!
Maybe
@@clarkkent3730 then God clearly doesn't care about, or understand, justice. What a moronic thing to believe.
@@pintswithaquinas God says this with love: The 30K+ institutions of man have been a curse with the 2000+ years of fruits to prove that. Solution: Don't follow Paul or Apollos or Cephas. Follow the Bible and follow Christ. The Father at Mt. Transfiguration interrupted Peter (paralleled with the Catholic club attempts to own the experience and profit monetarily in most cases). That's the problem and the fruits show it all too clearly. Apostle Paul clearly spoke against denominations in a sense of not following man. Drink the Bible straight up. Don't follow the mixologists of man with their favorite concoctions for more followers of themselves all in the Name of God. Follow God/Jesus/Bible only and put your denominations away per the early Church versus the churchclubs of today.
Wherever 2 or more are gathered centered on God is the True Church as opposed to churchclubbin'.
Matt, I'm an Evangelical brother here from South Carolina but wanted to let you know that I enjoy your show so much . Having Trent do a long form interview was a treat. Looking forward to more!
Honored to have you here! I hope my conversations with and about my evangelical brothers and sisters are respectful, though we disagree.
Matt, first thank you for taking time to respond . I found it very respectful! I've been listening to yours and Trent's stuff for a while now and both of you demonstrate a charitable attitude any time I have heard you. Oh, and as a result of that.. I probably have fewer disagreements than you might think , a few...but much less than a few years ago 😉
@rachel hutchinson They are heretics and most of them are going to hell.
Christopher Jones oh that’s wonderful to hear! Have you considered joining RCIA? It doesn’t have to be a commitment to becoming Catholic right away but it’s a great space to learn more in person and ask questions :)
@@christopherjones6758 uh oh..sounds like somebody's putting their big toe into the Tiber 😉
2 hours and 30 minutes into the conversation. I've been listening to it during the day with some pauses. Didn't realize how long this was when I started. Very cool, Matt Fradd!
Thanks Matt Fradd, I am painting a wall. 4 hours is perfect.
Loved every minute of this discussion...especially the last part concerning why to Stay Catholic. Thanks guys very much appreciated.
I’m filled with such gratitude and love for God, and for my brothers in faith Matt Fradd and Trent Horn. I’m a new Catholic convert and I still find the faith to be incredibly challenging. Tonight I feel edified and tranquil just listening to these men speak. God bless you and keep you, brothers. Thanks for sharing.
Behold! He's coming with the clouds! And every eye shall be blind with his glory! Every ear shall be stricken deaf to hear the thunder of his voice!
Welcome home!
Mum: “ok one more video before bed”
Child: **turns on 4 hour PwA episode**
Lmao hey boi
Truth Serum small world
@SPNReacts is
@@CHAZER-sp5cm iui pppp
Now that's the kinda family I want lol
I owe Trent a lot for my conversion, his book "Why We're Catholic" opened the door for Catholicism in my life. Sadly I don't listen to his podcast anymore after how he handled the whole Pachamama debacle and the constant jumping through hoops to make Pope Francis seem Orthodox. We have a crisis in the Church and the answer isn't to just ignore that anything bad is happening and completely focus on evangelization. You can only convert so many Protestants until you realize that your own Church is burning down...
Murrax9 you are exactly right on this. Bishop Barron is on this same path unfortunately. We need to take the blinders off, repair the damage, and rebuild first.
Trent Horn kept his cool in the Pachamama brouhaha. The worst response to the crisis is hyperbolic overreaction that ignores the real problems and actual solutions.
Yup same here! I’m enjoying this interview so far (I’m about 90 minutes in) but I’m overall disappointed with Trent and Catholic Answers. I just wish they’d see the truth about pachamama. #redpill
I agree. I do still listen occasionally but I got turned off by his feminism debate and the how he talked about the Shamazonian synod
The Catholic Church cannot burn down. Jesus prayed for its protection. Yes, fallible individuals do nutso things -- but the Holy Spirit strengthens us to endure and overcome. Everyone talking about how "we" need to fix the current crises: *yes we do.* And at the same time, as many humans as possible, beloved by the Father, deserve our evangelical outreach to become part of that "we". I strongly disagree that our evangelical specialists should abandon their stable focus on evangelism of non-Catholics, to focus on internal Church crises except insofar as reassuring converts that it's still safe to come in.
If God is calling you to help rebuild and heal damaged parts of the Church right now, that's great. You're a white blood cell. But the body also has outstretched hands, too. And other people need them.
I, like you, am a convert. Two years in. And yes, the spiritual battleground of modern times, including mass confusion among Church members, is... epic. But it's still more stable here than outside God's Church. This is the rock, and I cling to Jesus, and he doesn't let me down. And the work of bringing other people to the same blessings I've found, can't stop.
Multiple things can be true at once. And different members of the body can reach different people at different times in different ways. If everyone jumped on the same bandwagon and topic all at once, we'd IMMEDIATELY stop helping every outsider for whom that's-not-their-issue-right-now. My suggestion would be to look for the good in whatever anyone does, unless they're BLATANTLY contradicting God. If they just seem to be 'ignoring' something that you think should be talked about by everyone at all times... maybe they're actually doing good work for God in a different way, and we should look for that, and remember that the body really does have different members with different purposes.
I've listened to this episode well over 30 times - still my all time favourite - both Matt and Trent are a ray of sunshine in catholic defending! Keep up the good work. God bless+
This is now my favorite podcast. He always asks the best questions. It always answers every question I have on certain topics👍🏼
4 hours with Trent Horn!!!!! 🤩it’s my lucky day!
4 hour talk that went by just like that!... some movies or events I just can't wait to head home.
This was so engaging and intellectually stimulating!
First time watching a full PwA episode! Very high quality questions and topics you brought up and loved how you brought a “skeptic” point of view to make him fully explain to a lay person his view entirely. Looking forward to future episodes!
Irish media is out to get Jason Evert as he tours Ireland
Keep him in your prayers please
How so?
Matt Fradd he’s been made out to be some sort of fanatic and they’ve even managed to get some of his talks cancelled
www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/0110/1105663-jason-evert/
Makes sense. Ireland is going through some extreme times right now. With them legalizing abortion and so on.
I bought Trent Horn’s book, “What Catholics Believe” and gave it to my son, who hasn’t gone to church since his teenage years. I pray daily that he will read it some day!
Well you should stop…
@@DK666999 There's nothing wrong with buying his son a book and praying that he reads it. As long as he stops there and respects the fact that his son is more intelligent than he and Trent are and doesn't keep pushing. Who knows, maybe his son can show him why Trent's reasoning is idiotic.
@@betadecay6503 I'm sorry you have held on to such hate in your heart. I hope you'll find peace.
@@purplesuitman3764 if you're at peace with not being able to see the fallacious, nonsensical gibberish in Trent's arguments then I guess ignorance really is bliss.
There's no hate on my part, just pity.
@@betadecay6503 The trait you are displaying is not pity but contempt. I pray that you can look within yourself and see yourself honestly. God bless
My brain feels very small. Haha! I am loving every second of this. 3 hours in!! 💜💜
Greetings from Australia! I’m an Ortho inquiring into Cath.WOW. What an interview!
Thank you for your interview style, Matt. So entertaining and I love the questions that you ask.
Trent was such a fantastic person to listen to, as well. So much knowledge!! And his delivery is fantastic. Taking the seemingly complex and scholarly information, and delivering it in Layman’s terms for every body to understand with great usage of metaphors and examples.
I’ll probably even watch it again, cos it’s that great! Thank you, E.
I feel so stupid whenever I listen to Trent Horn but I love his brain! I've seen both men speak at a Catholic conference. So inspiring and Trent is seriously a walking wikipedia. Knowledge just BLEEDS out of him! Love what you're sharing. God bless!
Really? Whenever I feel stupid I listen to Trent and it makes me feel like a genius.
@@betadecay6503 James White? You got a new screen name… what happened to @IAmSnarky?
50min in and its already great....forget watching a movie, sticking with this tonight
Glad you're enjoying it.
Bounced over from Capturing Christianity! So fab to see a discussion instead of a skirmish. Interested in what Catholics believe and not a bunch of angry rhetoric. You recommended this episode, so here I am! I have to do some reeeaaaaly boring stuff, so I'm giving this a listen!
Looking forward to watching this whole interview after my kids are in bed! Yay!
You're the coolest Mom ever.
You’re gonna be up pretty late!
@Pints With Aquinas I don’t know how long you could talk but you sure have a talent for getting and listening to others talk. I love to listen to all of you talk. Your program is definitely one of the 3 best on any media. Thanks for your work; it’s important. You might try inviting someone with a chronic illness on to see what can be taught about suffering physically. It’s a great way to learn patience.
Protestant here. I could watch Matt and Trent talk for hours. Love this .
Yaaaasssss! Finished watching this morning. Trent’s defense of the papacy was great! Learned so much! Thanks Matt ❤️
Hi Trent, I feel the same way as you I do not get the "feeling" too. But please know that people like that are a gift from God. As we know without feeling, we know with out touching the whole in our Lord's hand. God knows how to reach each and everyone of us.
I feel the same way as well. I came to the Church through reading apologetics.
I’m a 20 year old college girl from NYC haha- I LOOOVE this ❤️🙌🏻
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God bless you! :-)
@@TheXone7 You too.
Stay strong!!! Attend Notre Dame parish church at Columbia University! My brother loves this parish!!!
For the record, I really enjoyed reading What the Saints Never Said. I thought it was a fun and informative read, and I highly recommend it to anyone who's debating whether or not to pick it up.
This dialog is deliciously entertaining. I'm completely grounded and honed in.
His parents saw the fruits of his conversion and were at peace! Beautiful
This was an amazing discussion and I’m so grateful to both PWA and TH for helping me in my faith formation. Many of these objections I have discussed with my husband and I have had many of the same responses to his objections that Trent gave. Really appreciate all the work that these men are doing. And many thanks to their wives for supporting and encouraging them so that they can do this important work!!
I thoroughly enjoyed hearing the both of you approach discussions with others with opposing beliefs. I’ve often struggled with this even when I do my best to be charitable, my delivery can sometimes be taken the wrong way. This was an enlightening conversation. Please do more! You and Trent Horn are such a pleasure to listen to and learn from. God bless you both 🕊
Lovely!! I sure hope Trent’s next book is on logic! We need more books on logic, fallacies, and reason
There are already lots of good books on this topic, so I do hope that Trent does other stuff.
4 hour break from editing my own video? Sounds good
Honored to have you here, mate.
How did Noah save the fishes without aquariums on the Arch?
Great Interview Matt! Trent Horn has a crazy memory bank of great things
I am a Protestant man, but I love this interview. This channel is consistantly presenting excellent apologetics and material that are supporting Christendom
I really like your pose, Matt. It's like you are looking to learn something every moment
Great video. I think Matt Fradd would be an excellent moderator for a debate between Tim Gordon and Trent Horn on what the Catholic teaching is on women in the work place.
Also they need to debate on if Doctrine can change. I wouldn't *yawn* at that.
I want an ep with Matt, Fr. Pine, and Trent just chilling and talking. Id watch hours of that
Yes absolutely agree
This is a fantastic conversation! So glad I came across this.
I've saved this to a Catholic playlist for future reference. Time stamps for topics would be amazing.
Time stamps rock
What incredible minds. Thank you both for providing this discussion. I'm so glad to live in the internet age and have access to such rich and impressive content, especially since I would never encounter an informed, advanced exploration of these topics in my normal life. I really appreciate your work, Matt.
I thought you were both clutching those texts out of sheer devotion 🤣 No.
I (cradle Catholic) like and enjoy watching and learning from Matt Fradd's shows.
Very nice new camera work Matt! The shots and lighting look really nice as well as the new PWA logo. However, Trent’s face is seen in the mirror on the left facing shot, it’s hilarious
Yes, missed that one. Won't make that mistake again. :) Thanks for the kind words.
Three sittings, but finally finished.
I have more questions than when I started, but that is ok.
Thanks for the work. 🍻👍
Nearly 4 hours long and, it was wrapping up, I found myself wishing it would go on for another 4 hours.
Very insightful conversation.
Patiently waiting for Pt. 2 and or a discussion between Trent, and Jacob Imam!
Me too
I’m not a catholic but I like this channel and this video was gold ✨👌🏽
We can help you fix that.
You Catholic yet?
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Me, an intellectual:
Thank you Matt and Trent for this great interview!😁 Well done, and worth every minute. May God bless you both in your work.🙏🙏🙏
This is worth the 4 hours! Thanks for keeping this up.
So weird to hear you say Pints with Aquinas vs The Matt Fradd Show (yes I watched the video explaining). Needless to say, I'm happy you're figuring out how both shows can live under one show title. So excited for this SUPER LONG interview!! Thanks for all you do Matt!
Trent, you are my favorite apologist and a genuinely awesome man. I am a young Catholic man who loves the Faith but still has some doubts from time to time. Two arguments that I find to be most compelling against the existence of God and Catholicism in general are these. First, if God exists, why is it that he is so hard to see? What is the reason for Him not fully revealing Himself to us in the present day? Second, if I go all-in in my Catholicism, does that make me rigid and unable to genuinely entertain other ideas? Am I boxed in?
Greetings from the U.K
I've always had an extremely high opinion of Trent Horn and this video validates my opinion
I listen to Catholic videos in the mornings while prepping my upcoming lesson plans. I was prepping one on a part of The Crucible, where the credibility of witnesses is challenged. That was right when 44:57 played, lol. Thanks for the idea, Matt! Pull quotes from Fatherhood will be in tomorrow's lesson, right before the author's mugshot.
This made me remember how grateful I was that I don't have to understand everything to be allowed to participate at Mass to return and receive Holy Communiion, and the great comfort and gratitude that the Truth doesn't depend on whether or not I believe it, and that faith isn't arrived at purely through reason. It is the gift of God to whoever will open their heart to Him. So in that sense Truth does depend on us :).
As a former believer turned agnostic I really enjoyed this.
I can't believe I watched/ listened to the whole thing. But it was all very awesome!
Finally finished!!! I was struggling on why we should be in a church where the pope can make mistakes. This helps. Thank you!
I'm very grateful that you had Trent on this conversation, conversation being where we find truth most often. I found his charge of St Thomas's Fallacy of Composition to be absolutely delightful, for it gives us the opportunity to work through a Thomistic thought primarily, at its base. I think that I disagree with Trent for the following reason:
His assertion that St Thomas committed the fallacy of composition I think is based on an assumption of the nature of time that may not obtain. Since Trent, to my knowledge (I may have missed something in my surprise and pleasure) did not define 'time,' we need to deal with that concept, which is perhaps a bit trickier than Trent might (might, mind you) think, at least in this conversation.
What is 'time'?
Didn't St Augustine say, _What then is time? If no one asks me, I know what it is. If I wish to explain it to him who asks, I do not know_ ? I think that that depends on what you mean by 'what is'. Our definitions are not reality unless they accord with it, and that means that we have to ask some very serious fundamental questions about what we assume about them. Just what exactly are we asking? Are we asking to find an answer that accords with some other, already-familiar concepts? If we find something that is totally 'different,' how will we explain it (we don't do very well 'explaining' the electron, for example)? In physics, sometimes 'time' is equated with 'motion.' I have read physicists who insist that there is only motion and not time at all. This I think is a little simplistic and precipitous.
In classical relativity, 'time' is part of 'space' in a kind of equation (perhaps something like 'space + time = 0') that says 'the faster you use space, the less time you have.' This is an oversimplification, but I think it'll do for this discussion. This means that time = space in a very real sense, so what Aquinas says about time applies equally to space and is not the fallacy of compposition. This nature of spacetime is the reason Mercury is in 'the wrong place,' for it is so deep in the sun's acceleration (gravity) that time runs more slowly on it than it does on earth. The same holds true for clocks in orbit, which run about 38,700 nanoseconds per day faster than clocks on earth.
So we can't actually assume the same nature or the same kind of nature for time that we do for space. They are different though inextricable. Thus, I think that we actually can do and say as St Thomas does about time (he says early on in the Summa Contra Gentiles that we can't regress in time for infinity, which I think is true if the Big Bang Theory has validity to it, and thus the argument fro motion --- which I think quite convincing --- is in fact valid and true) without committing the Fallacy of Composition, because he's talking about something quite apart from space which seems to have a beginning, considering what we've seen of its expansion and motion. Something --- someone --- set it in motion.
Trent, of course, goes on to reason carefully about the 'extreme forms' of the Fallacy of Composition and about everything else in this episode, and does so ennobling his mind and ours. Thank him for us (again), and thank you.
I fell asleep watching your channel and woke up right when Trent was talking about how he came to believe and how he never gets any of those in your face personal moments that show God but he came to believe through more philosophical ways. It's the same for me and It's so easy to feel that way yet never end up coming to believe simply because you don't feel like you belong around the people in churches. I still feel that way but it was really good to hear him explain it and why we should use the way we are in different ways.
Wonderful discussion on a wide variety of topics. Keep up the good work Matt!
Turncoat is a derogatory term from the American Revolutionary War used to insult someone who switched sides in the conflict. At the time soldiers literally wore decorated coats as part of their uniform.
As the world gets more chaotic and confusing, the more this protestant leans and looks towards the Orthodox and Catholic church for answers.
I guess he can’t call and interrupt this one if he’s there haha
My two favorite Apologists in UA-cam. ✊🏼🤩
I wonder how many subs Matt had when this aired, now he’s almost to 600K. He’s been such a gift for the Church.
Bravo! Great discussion!
😮♥️ WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DOG!
I love me some Matt Fradd and I love me some Trent Horn. But I really love it when they're together!
Watching you guys takes away all the venom that once made me a Catholic hater. Now I like you guys and listen to you guys..
I love these long in depth conversation ❤
The way he described his conversion I felt the same exact thing from Catholic to evangelical. God is so good!! He wants us to all connect. Tower of Babylon. Mans ideals are not important but the truth of God is of the ultimate importance. Us Christians must reconnect!!!! Forget the man made distractions.
Finally got through this! Thanks Matt and Trent. God bless.
I was born Catholic, but I didn't even have an idea of what place Jesus occupied in my life until World Youth Day 2019.
Nope! No one is born a cultist. You were groomed and indoctrinated into the catholic cult.
@MaytteBarba
You were born a sinner into the catholic religion.
That’s ok. It was/is the same journey a few of us cradle Catholics are/were on. Happy you heard the Holy Spirit
🍿 let's do this gentleman.
When the camera is on Matt Fradd, does anyone notice Trent's face?
Gaahhh!!! That was surprising when I saw it!
at the mirror🤣
Just when I thought this couldn’t get any better, the dog showed up!
Interview starts at 4:00
MC Kane 👌🏻thanks
52:53
Thank you
Thanks. Love the shows but after hearing the commercials twice, have had enough of them.
Anyone notice Trent’s reflection in the mirror behind Matt? I love it 😂
These multi-hours interview would be better if they are indexed to questions or topics by time on video.
Love this interview. Please do more like this.
Still think this is the best Pints episode
Becoming a Christian doesn't mean the journey is over or less arduous; it just means you know where you'd like to go.
I love Trent Horn and plan on reading his many books but he suffers from the same issues that most scholars, philosophers, scientists and seekers of "truth" suffer from, abundant curiosity. The problem with abundant curiosity is that most people couldn't care less about the subjects and reasons they openly dive into. Apathy and ignorance are not going away anytime soon, people live their entire lives without ever needing to tackle these ideas or problems and still live life with no regrets. My parents are very similar in this thinking, I personally love to ponder these topics all day long and sit under a lamp with books in hand and search the mysteries of life but they will say "Is this going to help put food on the table and fix the TV when it stops working? if it doesn't then why bother?". For many truth is whatever you want it to be and that is plenty enough for them as long as it puts food on the table and keeps a roof over their head.
You may be correct about many being void of curiosity...until life gets really hard. I'm one who has always pondered deep questions but have come to realize that communicating God's imminent love for us often connects when rational arguments don't.
@@mchristr I agree and well said.
1:55:20 "why would one universe out of the multiverse exist at all"? Good one!
Thank you very much for bringing Trent on. I am now convinced Trent is a genius, but unfortunately there are some things I strongly disagree with him about. I think he himself needs to be challenged more in his beliefs, and not allow it to become an echo chamber. His “tier 1” theistic apologetics is absolutely solid, but his “tier 2” stuff has been getting more liberal over the years, and more detached from traditional theology of the fathers and doctors.
The peace prayer??!!!NOT from St. Francis????!!!! But I have a mug that proves it was! ;p (Protestant here who's world is now shook. St. Francis is one of my favorite old saints outside of the biblical ones.) My coffee mug now exists to mock my disillusionment, though it's still a great prayer.
It's a very interesting conversation. It also shows how difficult it is to make a coherent meaning of the Bible if everything is to be taken literally out of it, as many people want to do. It's the greatest book of all times not because it's inspired, thus perfect, thus the word of God, but because it's a history book that at the same time encompasses ontology and ethics, written along thousands of years by hundreds of persons according their narrative styles, methodology and traditions. It must be read and correctly interpreted, never imposed from just one perspective. That's the trouble churches carry on with themselves. A book that could (and is) useful to everybody for it's deep wisdom and historical value turns into a nonsensical imposition of simplicities and bad choreographic mental gymnastics when it's words become dogmatic.
Trent killed it but man these questions Matt is proposing allowing Trent to elaborate further and make a proposition stronger are very good.
What an amazing conversation, where and how do I find people like you guys? I am a new Catholic in London and it seems very hard to find a community.
Join a parish and if they have a men’s group join go on every retreat they sponsor and every parish function they have ask to volunteer to be a usher and tell your pastor or assistant where can he guide you to men of the parish!
God bless everyone and have a good day ❤
That little Trent head in the mirror. Brilliant.
Let it be a so good podcast, Matt & trent, so that I dont want to intervene & add in my unique comments.
Time stamp if they discuss Trent Horn's interview with Tim Gordon please
BoBByPaul820 😂😂😂
Why??
Diane Marie he probably wants to hear Trent and Matt talk about the interview
I want to hear his comments on the interview with Tim Gordon, and would like to see if he is willing to do a debate again with a moderator. I am big fan of Tim Gordon and thought that he made a solid argument on both feminism and the death penalty, however it may have gotten a bit heated and could be done again. Love Trent Horn too he is a smart dude.
@@BoBByPaul820 I hear you. But it got heated because Tim was hostile. Tim is always puffed up with pride and arrogant. After he did an interview with Matt Fradd, he was on with Taylor Marshall whining about Matt! And he made fun of how Matt divides up a long interview/video into shorter videos, per topic. Such a silly thing. I actually appreciate that Matt does that because sometimes you want to find something that was said about a specific topic. And Tim whined to Taylor about Matt referring to him as "Timothy". Really?? Matt probably did that for his followers might not be familiar with him, and because that's how his name is shown in his social media profiles. It was actually a good thing for Tim, because people could better find him, because that's his full name! So silly. So anyway, Tim would definitely not have a discussion with Trent (or anyone else), with Matt as moderator. I just can't see that ever happening. If it does, it would be a miracle.
This was such a great podcast! I learned a lot! It was very enjoyable to listen to, lots of great topics and great arguments. Friendly, engaging. I especially appreciated the discussion of natural rights and sex vs love. Great guys! Thanks a lot! Subbed, hopefully I don't become Catholic now ;)
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Regarding people clinging tighter to their beliefs when refuted, my opinion is that the reason people do this is due to pride. And this is a perfect instance where the proverb Humility is the beginning of Wisdom applies. No humility, nothing learnt, ignorance continues.
Regarding arguments for the existence of God, my favourite that I've heard is a really tricky cerebral one. It's basically this: If you imagine the most beautiful, most perfect, most delectable thing possible (i.e. God) wouldn't this thing have the quality of existing rather than not existing... Obviously the answer is Yes...
I mean as far as I'm concerned it's obvious that God exists and it's obvious that God doesn't exist. But I like the idea of God existing so much more, and I like the idea of being someone who believes God exists so much more.
And p.s. you guys are real dam cool, and I love this kind of talk.