The Absurdity of Christianity
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Is Christianity just an absurd religion? Why does God need to die to pay for sins? Surely, there could have been a better way.
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"You may scoff at the gospel and call it absurd, but you are absurd, and an absurd species require an absurd solution." -IP 2023
you may scoff at the idea that me having sex with your wife is absurd, but dontchyaknow that sometimes human behavior is more complicated than we expect? ok cool now that youve admitted that you're absurd, please surrender your objections and submit to this strange system i am putting forth
if you don't it's because you don't have a heart open to love and because you're a scoffer, btw. you'd understand if you didn't hate me
Cope?
This can apply to any religion
@@JohnCamachoIn what other religion is God love?
@@donatist59 I'm not sure. What does it matter though to say God is love yet condoned the death of a man for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Probably picking up sticks because his family was cold. That's just one out of many other places where God has a funny way of showing love
Greetings from Indonesia. Been subscribed to your channel for quite a while, i think this is the most profound video by far..
Keep inspiring in Christ! May our Lord and saviour always bless you, Mr Jones!
My girlfriend and I were watching this when she noted: "This is so well made who is this channel?" I replied "oh babe this is that guy that makes those awesome short reels debunking Billy Carson's nonsense" 😂 We both laughed. She was right though my brother in Christ! Very very well made video!! I hope it does well for you! Praise Jesus 🙏
"God loves us NOT because we're lovable, because He is love. Not because He needs to receive, because He delights to give." C. S. Lewis
Is that from the Bible?
@@mattr.1887 no, OP already said: C.S. Lewis
So why did he create hell and burns people forever just because they didn’t believe jesus did magic tricks?
This would be the god that killed 2.5 million in your own ignorant myth then ? The god that supports slavery, rape, child abuse and misogamy !
didn't love us enough to not create rapists though.
Love these kinds of topics. Keep up the great work.
"God is love." - 1 John 4:16
What 'love'?
The fact that satan puts so much effort trying to mock and debunk God and Christianity tells you everything you need to know. I'm sure he's not putting much effort into those people out there worshipping trees or waves or whatever other ridiculous things some people do. Why? Because they're not a threat to ol' satan. Those people are already nonbelievers.
You have understood God more than any pastor out there.
But God is also Father , A Father will rebuke and Chasen His children to teach them and make them walk in the right direction because He loves us.
Imagine you being a father of a child who does wrong with his friends and you punish that child because the child did something wrong , wouldn't you punish your child first.
God judge His children before judging the children of the world. But when God will only make us carry a burden which we can carry ( God is a father who knows how much we can carry) but when He judges the children of the world the burden might be heavy for their own strength.
This is an excellent reach out to the non-believer😢!✝️🌿
I assure you,as a non-believer,it is not. A UA-camr by the name of Prophet of Zod has responded to this video. He gives reasons why this isn't an appeal to non-believers, but to foment more ire to those who aren't convinced of the existence of the Christian God.
@@johngavin1175 In the tapestry of empathy, let's weave,
The tales of Lewis and Jung, who did believe.
Two souls traversed from doubt to grace,
A bridge for atheists to embrace.
C.S. Lewis, with a questioning heart,
His mother's pain tore his world apart.
Yet, through friendship's lens, he found the light,
In Tolkien's wisdom, faith took flight.
*"Journey with me," Lewis implores,
*In empathy's embrace, friendship restores."*
Jung, too, in dreams profound,
Explored the depths where faith was found.
From skepticism's grip, he did unbind,
A quest for truth within the mind.
*"Dreams may wander," Jung declares,
*In empathy's language, understanding shares."*
Together, their stories unfold,
Atheists and believers, a tale to be told.
In dialogue's dance, let's intertwine,
Lewis, Jung, and us, in friendship's design.
*"Listen to stories," the Golden Rule voices,
*In empathy's sanctuary, friendship rejoices."*
For atheists, friends we aim to be,
With Lewis and Jung, let hearts decree.
In understanding's garden, we shall tend,
A bridge of empathy that will never end. 😌🤷♂️I guess they got to be like these two gentlemen. Who found God by themselves after very wise counsel .
keep your insane bullshit away from me.
“They are not in Love” is such a good line. Thanks for your video Michael.
Hail the son of righteousness, light and life to all he brings, healing in his wings
Mild he lay his glory by, born that man no more may die born to raise the sons of earth born to give us second birth
Hey @InspiringPhilosophy I REALLY HOPE ....and PRAY THAT YOU SEE THIS!
Its been on my heart to tell you for a while about " Belief it or not" on UA-cam.....
He does the same style videos you do or similar enough but he does it in an anti biblical way......
I believe he has been a source of constant anxiety and depression for others just like he has been with me because he gets A LOT of views and his points and questions he raises in oppositions to the bible are.....well....very thought out and hard for me to contest.
I come to your channel whenever I have a question about Christianity that he brings up that pains me and I need help with.
Your video on Hell had helped me tremendously with the " hell is a place where the doors are closed from the inside" quote and helped me see god in a new way opposed to the views presented by "Belief it or not"
SO PLEASE RESPOND TO ONE OF HIS VIDEOS!!!.....or the points he makes.
I have a feeling that their are a bunch of people who watch you AND HIM like I do for comparisons. You just dont directly address each other like you do with others in your shorts....even though I personally believe his arguments are more thought out.
I hope you how much I appreciate and thank you for your videos, and know that I quickly refer to your videos on a good refresher and lovely Study-guide for my catechism classes. And I’m the bloody catechist!
This was such an amazing and inspiring video. Living up to the channel name lol. Keep it up bro
@InspiringPhilosophy
No lie, I cried watching this video! Wow, this was really rich, beautiful and filled with LOVE. I've never done that throughout my time watching any other of your videos haha (they're still great in and of themselves!).
As someone who was completely transformed by Jesus Christ as a young kid when I heard the gospel for the first time as an immigrant from Ukraine to America, I can relate to what you said and how experiencing the love of God goes beyond the reasoning of our minds. God showed an absurd act of love to us, because we truly are an absurd species who needed God to SHOCK us with the greatest act of love anyone can show.
I felt the anointing of God on this video.
The Christian god is not loving. He is the most abusive boyfriend character known to man.
How can a god who is said to be loving, actually be loving when if you dont reciprocate that love he punishes you by having you burn eternally?
Imagine if I had a girlfriend, and she said that she loved me, but if I didnt love her back she was going to break into my house and dislocate my shoulder, waterboard me, and then break my feet...that's abusive right? So how is it any different then god burning you eternally, for ever. Billions upon trillions of years, no escape. How is that love?
“The good thing about North Korea is that you can die. In hell or heaven there is no respite.”- {christopher hitches.}
@@benclark4823God created hell not for humans, but for some of His own perfect and sinless angels who have decided to become sinful. Anything related to sin is repulsive to God, just like how two of the same signs of a magnet repulse one another. It just so happens that humans too decided to stray away from Him as well and fall into the pits of hell by covering themselves with sin like pigs being covered by mud. This is why He sent His only son to take away the punishment of sins of humanity so that they get washed by the blood of Christ, your only task in return is to accept that gift because God will not force you against your own will. To me, it makes perfect sense for God to throw sinners into the pits of hell, not because He hates them of course (He loves us all), He just cannot stand with unwashed sin and wants no one to go to hell which is why He sent Jesus Christ on Earth to die for us, and well even with that some people refuse to accept His love.. so as an act of love, even against His own will, He accepts your rebellious request by sending you in a place that has no God, because this is what a sinner always wanted, this is how they lived their life, living and acting like they did everything in life and that God doesn't exist, so all God does isn't punishing the sinner but instead fulfilling the sinners' request out of love and respect for the sinners' own decisions that they have made by not accepting the gift of Christ and send them to a God-less place. Now if you complain that the place He sends them is cruel, I find that obvious, life cannot move on and live without God, obviously a place where the appearance of God is absent isn't going to be all sunshine and rainbows. You're not gonna kick your rude and narcisstic neighbour out of your dinner table after inviting them at your home and then go right at them and give them food when they don't even want to be with you and don't respect you, would you?
There's a reason why this religion isn't dead, I've heard the same question asked like a dozen times already and well I'm sure that question was asked thousands of times way before you and I were ever born in this world. God has given you the free will of either choosing to accept His gift, or refusing it and getting what you want instead, but one shouldn't always trust themselves (you know how the saying goes "you can be your worst enemy") so it is better to put your trust in God's perfect plan, but that's up to you. I pray that you find the answers to all of your questions 🙏
@@carlcool20 People do not go to hell because of their so called “choices”, it’s your god “chooses” to send them there.
I’ve often seen Christians argue that god is not to blame for hell. They say: “god doesn’t send people to hell, their choices do.” This is an obvious cop out, and people saying this are treating (more like forgetting) god as if he isn’t all powerful and doesn’t have free will.
If people go to hell because of their actions (or beliefs), we must ask why? Who is the cause of this situation? It is god. If god created everything in the universe, and god decides everything that happens in the universe, the he set the condition that people who do not believe in him go to hell.
He chose, actively chose, that unbelieving souls would not merely go to some kind of prison without being tortured, or be annihilated. He specifically picked that hell will be a place of eternal torment. He wanted that pain and suffering. If it were against his will it would not happen.
Even if god did not create hell and make it the kind of place it is, given that he is omnipotent, he could choose not to let souls go there, and put them in a different place. Hell only continues to exist because god, in some way shape or form, desires it to. If he did not want it, he could easily put an end to it. If god chooses to be a bystander when he could intervene, then he is at fault for hell.
Whether or not hell is a fair punishment is an entirely different argument. But, fair or not, we must acknowledge that God is the ultimate cause of souls going to hell.
Eternal hell is unjust.
Even the most evil of humans who walked on earth don't deserve it because it goes beyond punishment they deserve. The concept of eternal punishment surpasses any notion of fair or just retribution. Instead, an alternative approach could be considered, such as rehabilitation or a finite period of punishment proportional to their actions, what does it even do if they have a never ending torment.
The fact that you go to hell for all eternity means that God doesn't believe in rehabilitation.
Let's say you are a horrible person. You tortured many people, you killed some of them and you never kept the door open for someone. This doesn't mean you can't change after death. I agree that you have to be punished, but eternity is a couple of years too much. During our lifetime we can forgive someone if we see genuine remorse for quite a lot. From my point of view the fact that you go to hell for all eternity means that you will not change after death and that you can't evolve in the afterlife. Which is a scary thought by itself. I think this idea makes God appear as a deity which is not moral. And also makes the whole argument that religion is moral a whole lot weaker.
The notion that someone would be condemned solely based on their lack of belief in a particular faith raises questions many people who belive in a religion were raised that way and were told if they question otherwise they will go to hell forever, so it sounds odd if they are wrong God will just send them an everlasting torment.
Even a 1000 Quadrillion decillion years in hell would make more sense in comparison even though it's still messed up but it's still finite and would have some sort of meaning rather than actually never ending.
The idea that one's life can be summed up in a moral balance sheet or that a couple actions could trump all your others and get you into heaven or hell is patently absurd. No great “”all-loving”” being could possibly devise a just moral system where a finite set of actions could lead to only two options: [eternal bliss] or [eternal torture]. There is no proportionality per heaven and hell both in terms of the requirements to get in and the very nature of everlasting reward or punishment.
@benclark4823 typical internet atheist lol.
@@ryankrakinski8926 typical internet Christian LOL. 🙏🤤
I still struggle with this concept. An infinite, thrice holy God found me through time and loved me, my ancestors, and my descendants enough to die and give himself as a sacrifice to alone for the things I had yet done just to give me the chance to know him. He knew I could reject him. He knew I would disappoint him, and yet he still gave himself fully for me. Are they any other believers that still find the gospel both bitter and sweet and sufficient for them today?
I'm in tears. This vid truly moved me. Thank you
man you are amazing people should call you '' The Amazing Bible-losophy" " Why are you a Christian because Christianity is the only religion were are God came to us in are wrongfulness and saved us " who can say that.
Profound, brave and beautiful ❤. Wonderful video!
Thank you Michael Jones, that was very thought provoking. God does not desire sacrifices Psalm 51:16. So although Christ was sacrificed he wasn't a sacrifice in the pagan sense. More like a firefighter who goes into a burning building to save someone he loved. I recently heard a wise man put it that way.
Love is a commandment. Therefore, it's not something you feel. It's something you do.
The was exceptionally well written. Thank you. "When you reach out and touch the cross, all doubt and fear will be abolished from your sight." I can attest that this is true.
Thank you for that phenomenal video!
If Josuah had no idea of who he really was until after dying now THAT would have been wholesome. Valid. The very choice on the matter, able to bail out at any second with zero trauma, is very different from a mere human.
As for emotionalism and muh human natoor, that is exactly it, there is too much of it already. Generally, reason must be strived for and emotion must be strived against.
The only thing that came from “nothing” is the first claimed god. (after that all gods are plagiarized)
If jesus died for our Sins, then you better go out and Sin. Otherwise, Jesus died for nothing. Therefore, not sinning is a sin. Another religious Paradox!
Bro is like "if I got water I better not drink water" lol
@@NickNameMatters -- Face it, religion LIED to all of us. I too was a Brainwashed christian for the first 30 years of my Life. Then, I wanted to get "Closer" to our "lord and savior", so I did something Radical... something too few believers do... I actually READ the bibles. During the first reading, and from the very first page, I was Shocked!! There are way too many Contradictions, Errors, and EVIL in there done by and commanded by that claimed "All loving" god. But... I was a believer, so I too did the Pro Style gymnastics and made the all Excuses.
But by the end, I was tired of having to make so many Excuses for a claimed "Perfect and Flawless" being!
So I told myself I would read it a 2nd Time, but that time with an Open Mind, not a brainwashed one, and ask ALL the tough questions that I refused to ask during that 1st reading. Best thing I ever did! I asked all the tough questions I refused to do during that first reading. I did the research. I ... was... Shocked. But as I've always said = I want my beliefs to be based on the Facts, Logic, and Common Sense! So after that 2nd reading and the research, I was turned Atheist. All that means is = I see ZERO Proof of ANY god, so I simply do NOT believe in any god. That is ALL it means. Nothing else.
I ask you: Have you read the bibles? Most never do. Instead, they go to their place of worship and have the nice handpicked parts read TO them. Then they Blindly believe.
If you have read it, did you do so with an Open Mind? Be honest. Most believers START with the Conclusion. I know I did back when I believed. You should NEVER start with the Conclusion.
Do yourself a huge favor and read it with an Open Mind. Do the research. Ask all the tough questions. Remember: “The Truth is made stronger by questions; only Lies and Errors are weakened by them.” You will be shocked.
Those stories are nothing more than Plagiarized stories used to CONTROL people. Religions and belief in gods were started by con artists for Power. They have actually convinced people that the best way to believe... is with BLIND Faith!! They have convinced people that the LESS Real Evidence for their god, the better = "... for blessed are those that have not seen, yet believe..".
Honestly, take a step back and think of what your beliefs are based on. Had you and I been born in a Muslim country, we'd have been praising allah!! Had we been born in different time, we'd be praising Zues!!!
CHRIST CAME TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT WE WILL ALL BE RESURRECTED. THIS IS OUR DESTINY. Each and every one of us. CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD TRAMPLING DOWN DEATH BY DEATH AND TO THOSE IN THE TOMB BESTOWING LIFE. He even showed the dead themselves when he visited them in those 3 days after the crucifixion and before His Resurrection. That's what Christ did! And may the whole world find love the way Christ loves all of us.
This is exquisite in it's composition. A great analogy and explanation of what true love is, God's love. Each day as we get closer to meeting our Lord, we grow in stature and completeness in His love. Thanking God for all He has done and does for all in this world. Blessings.
Thanks!
Thank you for the donation
Thank you Michael, you're awesome!
God bless you! You sir are amazing!
I am amazed at those who claim God, in sacrificing His son, Jesus is guilty of mistreatment of a child. Since Jesus is (not was) God, that isn't even close to the truth. As pointed out in the video, the Mosaic Law demanded 'blood for blood' as a response to sin.
Then, consider the fact that of all the religions on earth - in all of creation we know - Christianity is the ONLY one to have a free way out of sin. All others demand adherence to a certain code of conduct, so many push ups, or self flagellation.
The only one where God has provided a way to escape. I suppose that is absurd to those who insist on making their own way.
WOW that’s the most lovely few minutes ever 🥰
All I can say is, God likes a come-back story
Michael I appreciate your work.
I am not a devout Christian tho I am a devout student of knowledge.
In both science , philosophy, religion and anything of value on this realm we inhabit.
Currently I am attempting to study the beliefs and practices of the first Christian’s. The Jewish Christians that witnessed and professed their accounts and those who attempted to uphold those accounts up to and through the first century after the death and resurrection of Christ.
I’m curious if you have read the book
Unity and Diversity in the New Testament
James D.G Dunn
If you have, what are your thoughts on it and the potential accounts of the earliest Christian’s in that Jesus was a profit of God and was resurrected as so.
Not as a divine man but as close as 1 could be in the flesh. The actual Jewish messiah.
In this book it speaks on James’s issues with Paul’s account.
I’m very much interested in scholarly accounts and discussions on the earliest Christian’s pre the Church.
As in the Ebionites as such.
I hope to hear from you.
God bless
"Even God has his hell: it's his love for mankind" - Nietzsche. And condidering how wicked humans can be I think Nietzsche was right; his love for us Is double-edge sword
And this double-edged sword turned out to be for our own good. Without it, God would never have sent His Son into the world.
Well, what can I say except, “Even a broken clock is right twice a day?”
Nietzsche was one of the most thoughtful atheists. Truly a great mind
@@sjappiyah4071 except that god apparently has total power over human action or even his own feelings, so it's not really that impressive as a statement
@@randomusername3873yet he still gave humanity free will,he is just challenging humans to be holy
To all who don't believe: God exists. I used to be agnostic and mentally mock religious people. But when I was going through difficulties (personal insecurities), God spoke into my heart and helped me. And the love I felt in my heart was the greatest feeling in the world. It is stronger than the kindest mother could ever love her children. A love that takes away any sadness. Now I don't just believe, I KNOW He exists. He will help you through anything. Even if you don't believe, still talk to Him, like you would talk to a friend. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. And if you TRULY want it, it will happen. I can't tell you when or how. That's different for everyone. But He will guide you to the truth. And He will ease any pain you may have. He is the only One who can. Wishing you the best.
Ok how was that experience of God talking to you un your heart. How can you tell it's him?
@supergastonh It's difficult to explain. But I felt His greatness, His authority over all things. He was very strict but very loving. Like a Father. But His love was far greater than parental love. It was indescribable. It was almost physically overwhelming. And He revealed to me things that I never knew, as I had never truly studied the Bible, such as that we must love Him more than our own parents, and that the true reason we help people on Earth is to glorify His name. Please pray with true intentions in your heart. I hope you find Him. Best of luck.
@@transatlanticnostalgia4655 well, thank you for your prays. I suppose is something very subjective to share.
Maybe someone would find better words to illuminate me.
I fear maybe I havent realized uf he talked me sometime
I’ve experienced what you claim to have experienced as have others and I as well as others now are Atheists. If the thing that made you believe is a psychological experience that can be produced without god and in other religions you cannot justify a belief besides an emotional appeal argument.
@@supergastonh How do you know that anything you experience is real? Unless you have sufficient reason to question your experiences, you shouldn't doubt them.
Great video! Jesus was right when He said the most loving thing someone could do would be to lay down your life for someone else. It is completely absurd because it's the most loving thing God could do to save us!❤
God didn’t need to do it. That’s why it’s absurd.
@prozeemation_8658bro by reading the words of his Bible.
I was afraid that IP has lost his faith, but i was wrong aparently. Sadly, i won't be able to watch live due to work
@@velkyn1. Christ willingly took the form of man and gave up the splendor of heaven to come to earth as a sacrifice for our sin. He did not hold onto His position and power, but instead laid it all down to be a humble servant and gave up His life on a cross.
@@velkyn1 Average internet atheist ☕
Wow! What a great video and message, Michael! Around 12:40 mark I was moved to tears. “The absurdity of Christianity is the only thing that makes sense!” I love it.
Thank you, I’m glad it was impactful
This title suggests that, according to the Quran, David was something more than a messenger: he was a divinely guided leader who established God's rule on Earth. This role is also suggested by 2:251: "God gave him authority (mulk) and wisdom (ḥikmah) and taught him what He willed.
@@theguyver4934the irony of a Muslim talking about very late interpretations is about as comical as it gets. Are you serious?
Psalm 122:5
God Needs a Psychiatrist , Talks Prays to Himself and is a Sadist to Himself , Cuts Himself etc.
@InspiringPhilosophy Have you seen the unseen realm with Michael Heiser?
I dont even know what to say, but thank you for all you do. Glory to Jesus✝️☦️
I’m glad it helped you. Thank you so much for the donation .
Michael has this knack for answering questions that I have about Christianity… he even answered a few I hadn’t thought of yet… 🤔
He borrows from the best of the non-Christian world and then claims it couldn't possibly exist without Christianity.
@@mattr.1887 Can you give us the non Christian world that believes in Christ??😅
@@mattr.1887Jesus inspires even the non-Christian world.
@@truthbebold4009I'm sorry to say that Jesus does no such thing. Everyone I know around me in this country couldn't care less about the guy.
If you thought any of that was an 'answer' I've got some bad news for you...
But atleast by believing the ultimate sacrifice on the cross of Lord Jesus Christ who came to world as a sinless man to separate mankind from sins is more logical than licking a black stone that can forgive sins and grant a fantasy isekai 72 harem heaven 😊😇✝☦
Normally I would have avoided a video like this but I felt like I should watch it and comment, this wasn't at all what I thought it would be and I love it. Thank you god and I pray for those that click on this video with negative views on Christianity to come out of it with a new perspective and hopefully the first seeds of faith is planted in their hearts.
@@twitherspoon8954you shall not put The LORD your GOD to the test.
@@twitherspoon8954 I am not from here… as is JESUS is not from here. I don’t worship YOUR evil deeds.
@@twitherspoon8954 You should read closer 📖
@twitherspoon8954 Define what a woman is.
@@twitherspoon8954you just comment that everywhere? Christianity has nothing to do with that
I have autism and I find it hard to connect, love and understand other people, never mind the so-called transcendent Creator of everything. The notion of “God’s love,” “experiencing God” or “communicating with God” seems so alien to me that I don’t even know where to begin to comprehend or experience it. How do I overcome this burden and difficulty? How do I actually get to experience Him and have a relationship with Him? I would love to speak to Him one-on-one and come to understand Him and Him understand little old worthless and broken me 😞
Hey, Jimmy I appreciate you sharing your heart. I'm sorry that your autism makes it hard for you to connect with God's love, bro. I just want to tell you that I'm praying for you right now and that somehow, through space, time, matter, and your own autism God can show himself as real to you as this video. You're not worthless, bro, God loves you so much that He died specifically for you, even if you were the only one in existence...God can restore all your brokenness and make you whole. I fully believe it. 😊
i have autism too and i understand what you mean but i'm writing to let you know that it is possible. I know God and He knows me, He reached out to me and all i had to do was say yes to Him. He took care of me being able to understand Him and all of this. Reach out to him, pray to Him and ask him to help you understand and He will! ❤
There’s a great book called “Blessed are the Misfits” and it’s by a Christian author on the spectrum, I think you would really love it
I say check out David Wood. He doesn’t have autism, but he does have a mental condition yet still follows Christ, along with having a family.
My friend, you feel that it limits you when in reality we are the same we are all but ants on the tarmac attempting to comprehend the 747. We could worry ourselves into a early grave in attempts to comprehend God, accept the fact that God loves you exceedingly incomprehensibly. Sometimes he is silent, yet it doesn’t mean he is not there. Sometimes we need trials to correct us through hardships. God loves you my friend never forget that and don’t question it.
A friend of mine, as an attack on my belief, said something to the tune of, "God sacrifices himself to himself to save mankind from himself." My reply was, "To paraphrase Jean-Luc Picard, 'What you say with irony, I say with conviction.'"
I watched a video a few days ago by David Wood, where he addressed this issue from a different direction. He noted how in ancient days, the pagans believed that the way to curry favor with God was to sacrifice what was most precious to them, culminating with sacrificing their children to Moloch. Then along comes Abraham, and God tells him to sacrifice his only son to Him. Same story, or so it would seem. But at the last minute, God tells him to stop, and says that He Himself will provide a sacrificial Lamb. In other words, God doesn't want us sacrificing our sons to Him; He sacrificed His Son for us instead. He flipped the understanding of the ancient pagans on its head.
Do you see this as a psychological life lesson, or as a literal event?
@@mattr.1887The answer should be very obvious to you considering that he is a Christian.
@@SoRunThatYeMayObtain - I don’t believe that it is obvious. The 3rd Century theologian Origen developed a way of understanding the Scriptures. He perceived that not all parts of the Bible should be understood the same way; he distinguished between various “senses” of Scripture as literal, moral, anagogical and allegorical. The allegorical sense looks beyond the most obvious reading to illuminate some greater spiritual truth - one story which could fall in that category is the story of Abraham’s sacrifice. While there are some Christians today who take an almost entirely literalist interpretation of the entire Bible, that is a fairly new development and is well outside how scripture was broadly understood for most of church history.
As a Christian, in the specific case of the story of Abraham and Isaac - if I’m asked if I believe it literally happened my response would be “I don’t know, and I don’t care”. Someone could provide compelling evidence either way, and it still would not impact or influence an allegorical understanding of the story.
@@MrCusefan44 Well, at least for me, Jesus mentioned things that happened in the OT and it seems to me he saw the flood as something that really happened. And with Paul, same goes for Abraham sacrificing Isaac. They saw it something that really happened. But I would be happy to be taught by others. I don't really know a lot.
@@SoRunThatYeMayObtain - “Seems to me” is the key phrase in your comment. Go back, reread the passages you are referencing, and ask yourself what would eliminate an allegorical interpretation.
As a non-Biblical example, I’ve listened to comparisons of Tony Stark’s sacrifice in Endgame to Christ’s sacrifice where - based solely on a written transcript of the commentary - you could not tell if the speaker honestly believed Iron Man existed. But a typical reader is going to bring outside context - it’s a movie, movies aren’t real, etc to conclude the speaker is aware Tony Stark/Iron Man are fictional characters. That’s appropriate in the case of Iron Man - but not appropriate in the context of Biblical exegesis. How are you concluding that Jesus believed Abraham literally believed the story with Issac?
It almost certainly runs into the same issue atheists point out about Jesus believing a mustard seed is the smallest seed in the world - and literalists have to create increasingly unlikely interpretations to counter atheist arguments.
The better argument is that we were given both scripture and tradition, and tradition never accepted a solely literalist interpretation. But accepting that would start many down the road of becoming Catholic, which is completely unacceptable - much better to hold fast to a newer Biblical view of literal exegesis which means atheist objections are valid.
“Seems to me” is irrelevant - how did it seem to the church, and what traditions have been passed down. If “seems to me” contradicts that - you’re wrong, plain and simple.
This was one of my favorite videos by you in a while. God bless you.
*JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED OR NOT,* his mission was the SAME AS the other Jewish prophets, that is:
*1. Preaching pure monotheism* (John 17: 3, Matthew 4: 10) and
*2. Enforcing God's law/ Torah*
(Matthew 5: 17-19, Mat 15: 24, Mat 23: 1-3, Mark 10: 17-21), *EITHER JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED OR NOT.*
* *To make it stronger that Jesus' true mission* was NOT to save humans by his blood.
* Before got caught, Jesus clearly showed *he was afraid, hid,* told his disciples to buy swords, sad, prayed & prostrated to God.
* If going back to Golgotta 2000 years ago, MUSLIMS WILL definitely SAVE JESUS from the cross. While *Christians will just watch & let Jesus being tortured until he die with bloodshed, because Christians need his blood to save them from original sin.
Humans think we're rational creatures that have emotions. When in fact we're emotional creatures that are occasionally rational.
@@Crimsonlupus Absolutely, I have a hundred and fifty IQ. I find that everything I do has an emotional basis foundational to it.
There's a reason why sociopaths seem so alien to us.
humans are 100% rational, there is just a lot of wrong information and background information that we can't track
but based on our limited resources, literally everything we do is a rational choice based on what exactly what going on in that situation
even emotions are rational, they're ways of storing information in your feelings instead of your conscious mind, so you don't have to constantly justify basic facts about life whenever you want to think about something
'God' being the worst symptom of our irrationality.
@@williamoarlock8634you misspelled atheism
@@danielquinonez2735 yeah!! Atheism is dumb and God people are really cool!
Seeing people like Michael, David Wood, William Lane Craig, John Lennox, all the soldiers of Christ defending the faith gives me hope. Christianity has always made sense and still makes sense. God bless and replenish ❤🙏
@@twitherspoon8954 And who worships cannibalism and human sacrifice?? Aren't you an atheist?? Is there justification in your worldview? So why are you asking for a justification for my own?? You're a walking contradiction 😩
@@twitherspoon8954 It's not cannibalism. The Eucharist is symbolic, and it doesn't represent cannibalism. It is simply a reenactment of the Jewish festival of Passover, which, for Christians commemorates Christ's death. The death of Christ is not human sacrifice, in the ritual sense. It's self-sacrifice. Jesus could have defended himself against his killers but chose not to in order to lay down an example for everyone else to follow in order to end humanity's cycle of violence and oppression.
Christianity does not make sense.
It actually does when you are born again. You aren't good enough to make it to heaven based off your good deeds. Jesus who is God became man to die for our sins.
Jesus is the only way to heaven and the only means of salvation. Jesus is Lord and Savior. Every knee will bow to Jesus.
*God didnt sacrifice himself, to himself, to serve as a loophole to get around rules which he created in the first place, and heres why!*
"Uh, well it might seem irrational to those of you who dont believe it but trust me, when you believe it, it is the only thing that makes sense."
Lmfao well yeah im sure it is. Just like every single other person who has faith in a different religion would say of their holy book.
This video didnt address what the title said it would. It didn't demonstrate the truth of anything at all, and it didnt even prove the criticisms wrong.
All you did was say that an absurd species needs an absurd solution to their "sin problem", and you pinky promise that god is the best solution.
"Trust me bro" isnt a reliable source.
This kind of magical thinking that is critical to religious belief is simply incompatible with skepticism.
Bald assertions are like opinions -- everyone's got em. But its the *demonstration* through *logic* and *evidence* that should decide where our beliefs lie, not our emotions when were convinced of an ancient story.
When you take medication do you read the bottle? Are you absolutely sure that that medication is going to help you?
The answer is no you don't
Why do you trust that it will help you? Cuz you've been told that that medication is going to fix your problem.
Here's the hypocrisy in your comment, you are saying that he's saying that you should just trust God and that's absurd but you literally trust other people's word all the time without any evidence.
This is called faith and like with everyone that judges it they themselves do it.
You are playing the hypocrite because I and you both know for a fact that you take trust me bro as a reliable source all the time.
People have promised you things without you having any evidence that what they say is true and yet you've taken it.
So trust me bro is only reliable when you decide it is that's hypocrisy.
Do you need evidence for Jesus's promise but you don't need evidence that Jimmy is going to give you your money back next week, what you do is you say okay and you put your faith in Jimmy and you wait to see if that promise is fulfilled.
The original covenant torah law (the first 10 laws) the highest of all and needed to be upheld… the only spiritual law given to life for your reward in the afterlife and not death from following that said law, both physically and spiritually.
God didn’t sacrifice himself to himself… Jesus was killed by the law of Moses on the basis of blasphemy (so man condemned him to death) not blood atonement for sins given by the people… the prophecy of blood atonement for all sin was fulfilled through God himself as man… since a lot of normal men/prophets went away or didn’t fully listen to the almighty… I don’t think any man in the Bible or now would take the flogging for a deity they haven’t seen besides Jesus himself maybe just maybe abraham from his test of faith but physical pain wasn’t involved, all would denounce… and God knew that… he saved all of us from the Egyptian/Canaan influenced condemnation of the law even the Pharisees were prideful and boastful under the law. “The lord detest all forms of pride of heart”
Moses was an Egyptian/ under Egyptian influence until he was a middle aged 30 year old man…
You know what let's give you a good way to understand
Let's say a CEO of a massive company is getting reports of the workers constantly dragging down the business and making the loyal workers do more work, working conditions are dropping, the sanitation of the whole place is awful, and people are bound to be fired which will result in them losing their jobs and in tern not being able to provide for their families. despite all of this the CEO is still rich, but he doesn't want them fired and want's to ensure their well being due to him they are able to pay for their families. he wants to make sure they know he cares about him by fixing up the place.
so he can either:
A) just hire more people to fix up the place but that will make the workers he cares about feel replaced
or
B) Personally come down to demote himself as a lowly janitor by cleaning the place up himself, encouraging the other workers and helping them with assignments, and showing the other workers that he cares.
God HAS to do it because he has limited himself to a just character, if he DIDN'T judge sins and suddenly forgave them by tossing away the debt, he would be unjust. however, if he paid the debt of sin, this would fit in his framework of a just character. because the entire crucifixion is a reversal of the original sin in genesis.
in conclusion, this was a act of love, justice, symbolism, and the message that god would humble himself for you.
@@stratejic1020 >When you take medication do you read the bottle?<
In at least 80% cases, yes. Why shouldn't I?
>Are you absolutely sure that that medication is going to help you?<
I don't have to be 100% sure about that. But if you had read "the bottle" you would know your statistical chances. So even if the given meds give me 30% chances to help me, it's still a way better than praying.
>Why do you trust that it will help you?<
Because I can read and there is no problem to find the track record of every medicine we use. I trust it because there is demonstrable and verifiable history of the meds helping people.
>you should just trust God and that's absurd but you literally trust other people's word all the time without any evidence.<
It's other way around in your examples. We don't have any verifiable evidence for God helping anyone. But we have tones of demonstrable evidence of people helping other people (science, technology, medicine). How many times have you observed regrow of amputated limbs because some one prayed for it?
This was fantastic. Glory to God!
Thank you
wow cool cult bro
glory to mehrunes dagon!
A lot of people don’t like the crucifix because it they say that Christ isn’t on the cross anymore (which is true, but it doesn’t mean we can’t have a statue) but mainly because they say it was humiliating for him at the time. But for me and many other Christians, we don’t view it as humiliating, but rather the greatest act of love the world has ever seen. The crucifix is a great reminder of how much He loves us.
Exactly. The Cross is a symbol for God's love.
This is by far the best explanation of the Gospel I’ve ever come across.
@@theguyver49348 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.
Jesus eat meat and fish in the Bible, everything you say has no Biblical foundation.
And Islam is just a false religion, but you can follow Jesus and repent of your sins.
Christianity is the one true way to God, i just hope you fined it befor its too late. God made us so we could choos him insted of him telling us to fill ow him
@@speedo1673 JESUS IS KING, Christianity is true.
@@speedo1673 thanks to Jesus I was able to get out of several bad habits
But it's not the historical ones, which you def wouldn't like at all. 😄
I like you and your channel. You approach the faith in exactly the way I need, logically and openly.
But the subject of this video is my greatest stumbling block. I need a better answer than this.
Same. Not his greatest hits, considering all the comments here.
This would only inspire and move someone who is already a Christian. I watched this all the way through, in the high hopes of finding answers, but was met only with mocking contempt for those who find the central Christian message of blood/death atonement difficult and unpalatable (he didn't say anything that would persuade me to not find it unpalatable). He uses the tried and tested missionising tool of psychological blackmail - making someone feel utterly ashamed of not being Christian, which is the same kind of tool that sociopathic manipulators and gaslighters use. I'm sorry, but I couldn't belong to a religion that would resort to such tactics. The entire argument also assumes that no other religion is about love, or can ever have love in it, or is able to make its followers feel loved by God
Amazing how quickly you people spit out strawmen
@@dited358You are underlining what @Shmuelparzal says if you refer to "you people"
I’m a christian and I agree that he never answered the question, just used some strange tactics to maneuver around it.
@dited358 As much as you religious folk use strawman arguments, I think you'd be able to recognize one. The op has it correct.
You should check out good god channel. He has some very interesting videos about how the god of the old testament was not the god jesus spoke of. Jesus' sacrifice was a ransom payment to the devil to free us. That is my understanding from the videos I watched. Very interesting channel and completely different perspective on christianity that makes a lot more sense then god sacrificing his son to himself.
I think that's the most beautiful video you've made. Great work!
Thank you
This was a great video indeed. He did 4 months ago titled, Why Jesus Hasn't Returned Yet. That is one of my all-time favorite videos.
@@Aquariun9iteMMare Oooo. Will watch that after this. Thanks.
Agreed... this video is the most beautiful explanation of the love of God I have watched from Mr. Jones.
And where does Revelations 13:8, fit into this...?
Or 1 Corinthians 2:14...@@InspiringPhilosophy
There is a lot that could be said. But your most obvious issue is that you kept saying everyone else is on the outside when in fact they are on the inside. Supposedly we are all included in the things the god loves. Yet it is only willing to do a single act that some will recognize as love and others won't. And it knows exactly who it'll fail to reach and how to reach them. Yet it doesn't do it.
I Luv how IP narrates these complex topics in a Modern Age for our benefit!
I have to begin by saying that, im not a christian.
Now that this is out of the way...
Theres a deeper meaning behind the crucifixion of Christ than most atheists come out with and i have to point out that, even many christians. Most anti or pro fanatics against or for christianity quote bible verses completely out of context for their own personal goals.
Problem with Bible is that, reading it and understanding it are two different things.
For starters, its already written in a form that is quite difficult to read and second, it mostly contains stories and to understand meaning in these stories you have to read the entire story and understand it, not to quote single verses out of it that may support your narrative!
When it comes to crucifixtion of Christ, its so much more than just ''he died for our sins''.
It depicts a story of a loving god who manifests himself in a flesh and takes part in our mortal suffering. It makes it possible for him to forgive our sins without being unjust against some other who may have been a victim of said sin as he suffered and died himself for that sin.
Anyway, wheather you whole heartedly want to believe it or not, its all up to you. Im not here with wild claims about what is right and what is wrong!
"I love you so much I'm gonna murder you if you don't love me back.
Also I'm hiding for you and you have to look for me first."
Yeah, that sounds like a healthy relationship...🥴
You do realize that God would rather us in heaven than in hell, right? And the only things that keep us from entering heaven is our sin. And if we try to earn our way, we will not see the gates of heaven. Rather, if you want salvation, stop working for it. Accept God's gift. God loves us so much, He gave us the option to CHOOSE a free gift. A gift that costs absolutely nothing. That is the only thing you have to do on your end, is to accept His gift, nothing more, nothing less.
Also, isn't all love about finding that significant other, anyways? If you love someone, you wish to seek them out. But with God, all the seeking you have to do is accept His gift. He made it simple for a reason.
@voltekthecyborg7898 so in other words, love me or burn forever? I'm a deist. I have no problem believing in a god or a higher power. But the way Christians describe God makes him seem like an emotionally unstable teenager. I don't believe at all that that is what God is. The concept of a creator is way too complex for our minds. It would be like an ant trying to understand quantum physics. So what we do is give this creator human characteristics and human emotion. I don't believe god is that simple. It's so much more complicated and inspiring than how we simply it.
@@RogerWareIncI see salvation like Noah's Ark: Storm is coming, and I died, went to hell, and rose again to build this Ark, and only this Ark can withstand the storm. You can hop on, or die to the storm
The depth of your growth is remarkable . What's more you pass it down to us to enrich our lives. Thank-you.
This may be the most excellent description of the Gospel I have ever heard in 50 years of being a Believer. With all my heart, THANK YOU!
That means a lot, thank you
God Needs a Psychiatrist , Talks Prays to Himself and is a Sadist to Himself , Cuts Himself etc.
God Needs a Psychiatrist , Talks Prays to Himself and is a Sadist to Himself , Cuts Himself etc
@@meowlionkatz What a profoundly sad person you must be. I’ll pray for you.
@@hrhqueeneyour prayers won't do anything because god isn't real
"An absurd species deserves an absurd solution" brilliant IP
God Needs a Psychiatrist , Talks Prays to Himself and is a Sadist to Himself , Cuts Himself etc.
Nope
@@meowlionkatzfalse
But he created humans as an absurd species! This doesn’t solve the problem at all because he created our story loving nature.
@@mcable217 we choose to be absurd. We do absurd things. For example. There are those out there who think men can have babies ......or play woman sports....absurd right
What a fantastic video. I love God and I love you all.
And I also love this channel!! Thank you for this video, Michael, it was super inspiring.
@@theguyver4934damn conspiracism
Really absurd GOD DIED for your sins
2:50 - 2:37
Love is an emotion that isn’t always rational
Feelings aren’t a reliable way to come to truth
Do we teach children to act on how they feel or to look beyond their feelings?
Child: “I really feel like eating a bowl of ice cream before dinner”
Parent: “if you do, you won’t eat a nutritious dinner and just eating ice cream isn’t the sort of fuel your body needs to feel good in the long run”
Jesus is ice cream
Love is an emotion that isn't always rational, but does one underlying good: aims to keep those close to you at your best.
A father loves their child so much, they want to raise them to live their lives independent. For this to happen, the father teaches the child that crossing the road without looking both ways, doing narcotics, or for the younger folks: eating ice-cream after brushing your teeth, regardless of how tasty ice-cream is, are all bad choices. He can leave you sheltered, but he doesn't, he wants you raised independently, but make rational choices.
The father is God. We are His children.
You are the ice-cream, daddy tells you it's bad to eat, the irrational choice; you're an ice-cream! :)
I missed the premiere can you take the video down and start over so I can be part of it
Oh fine, as long as you watch it and don't shed one tear.
@@InspiringPhilosophyit’s too late. Probably one of your most moving videos.
I was really hoping you'd answer the question from the thumbnail. I think it's a perfectly valid question, and not one just posed by capital S Skeptics, but also by genuinely curious people.
OR.....you could just subscribe to a different model of atonement. Penal substitution Isn't even 500 years old.and like everything else that came out of the reformation, it's flawed theology.
What is the correct position, in your view?
What is your theological view of the atonement
I personally like the recapitulation theory, and christus victor theory.
Now I think God's work on the cross is so vast that just one theory will never be enough to encapsulate everything going on. I really hate Ray comforts at Living waters way of asking people if they broke the 10 commandments and then explaining penal substitution, I find a lot of ppl don't like it and see the problem with it.
IP one moment: "If the central message of Christianity is so absurd, why did it not quickly die out?"
IP the next moment: "Humans are irrational and absurd."
Me: there, you answered your first question.
Not really, Christianity was just about the primary thing attempting to pull people out of the pit of absurdity. Those who refused fell down to non-belief. Absurdity is a choice, but nobody expects you to understand this.
What a beautiful description of the love of Christ. I almost broke down in tears several times. Thank you for this video Michael!
It's not beautiful. It's stomach-turning.
هام جدا ..استخدموا المترجم لمن لا يعرف اللغة العربية.
قد يمر شخص ويقرأ هذا التعليق:
أدعوا كل من لاينتمي إلى الإسلام إلى هذا الدين العظيم الحق.
ادعوكم إلى عبادة الله وحده لاشريك له خالق الكون واتباع سنة رسوله محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم خاتم الأنبياء والمرسلين.
قال الله تعالى في القرآن الكريم:"ياأيها الناس اتقوا ربكم إن زلزلة الساعة شيء عظيم * يوم ترونها تذهل كل مرضعة عما أرضعت وتضع كل ذات حمل حملها وترى الناس سكارى وماهم بسكارى ولكن عذاب الله شديد".
وقال الله تعالى في القرآن الكريم: " كان الناس أمة واحدة فبعث الله النبيين مبشرين ومنذرين وأنزل معهم الكتاب بالحق ليحكم بين الناس فيما اختلفوا فيه" ...الآيه.
وقال الله تعالى في القرآن الكريم: " قل ياعبادي اللذين أسرفوا على أنفسهم لا تغنطوا من رحمة الله إن الله يغفر الذنوب جميعاً إنه هو الغفور الرحيم " .
وقال الله تعالى في القرآن الكريم : " إن الله لايغفر أن يشرك به ويغفر مادون ذلك لمن يشاء" .
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم :
" من قال لا إله إلا الله دخل الجنه ، قال أبي ذر وإن زنا وإن سرق ، قال رسول الله: وإن زنا وإن سرق".
وأخيراً أحب أن أنوه لشيء مهم .. وهو أنه إذا صدر خطأ من فرد مسلم أومن مجموعة من المسلمين فلا يعني ذلك أن الإسلام هو اللذي يأمر بإرتكاب الخطأ..!! . ولكن الشخص المسلم هو من أخطأ في تصرفه إذا تصرف تصرفا مخالفا للقرآن الكريم والرسول محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم.
لاتنسوا أن تعاليم الإسلام تجدونها في القرآن الكريم وسنة النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم.
أقرأ القرآن وستجد نفسك وترتاح روحك لأنه يخاطبك أنت عندما تقرأه لأنه من رب العالمين لعباده المخلوقين.
God Needs a Psychiatrist , Talks Prays to Himself and is a Sadist to Himself , Cuts Himself etc.
@@meowlionkatz for u my guy. It's for u. - " oh but I didn't say to cut himself for me lol XD " but that cus he love u soo much that he is willing to take the punishment that u deserved on him.
@@Ricebag1482 the hell you mean deserved? This manipulator gaslights us into believing that we are guilty for someone's actions that we didn't do.
Wow Michael, that’s absolutely incredible. Very well made video.
incredible that he was able to keep a straight face.
The absurdity is thinking that Christianity is the only source of love. The god of Genesis is a hateful entity, allowing for sin and deciding it is correct to have that something to pass down to progeny. If that god and the god which spawned Jesus is the same, then Jesus basically said, "Oops, my dad messed up. I'll pretend to fix it. Let's end the unconditional hate he has for you."
The mental gymnastics presented in this video is Olympic level. Paul, the world's most effective propagandist, got so many to participate in the event.
Have you watched Zod's reply to this vid? I love seeing fellow skeptics in the comments of these videos.
@@johngavin1175 I started at Zod's reply. If I'm watching a reply video by Zod, Paulogia, or someone similar, and I'm familiar with the person they're replying to, like Frank Turek or J Warner Wallace, I'll continue watching the reply. If I'm unfamiliar with the apologist, or the topic seems particularly interesting, I'll watch the original first, form some thoughts, and then get the atheist's perspective. This was my first introduction to IP, so I came here. After watching this entire video, I had about as much as I could take, and I closed the window with Zod's reply. Now you're making me go back and watch it. 😂
@@UnconventionalReasoning I reckon thats a good thing? 😬 anyway have a great day
Love is more than biology, more than emotion, it's a verb more than a noun.
That’s become quite unpopular. Nowadays love is just a feeling, and a person’s commitment to another is only as deep and as lasting as the emotion is. Hence why you have people getting divorced for “falling out of love.” Love is a decision and that decision transcends our feelings.
In all honesty, I have belief in God as I’ve heard testimonies within my circle that they experienced his presence and even felt him in subtle ways, but I have trouble with the Bible. I have trouble with the fact that it tends to deliver messages ambiguously, to the point that there are differing interpretations on the same verses. How can a “perfect” book supposedly by the word of God can have followers with different conclusions about its content based on the denomination? I asked about Orthodoxy because that seems to have the most sound stance on biblical views based on the little research I’ve had, but even it falls short on some flaws. How am I suppose to discern from what is the most “authentic” interpretation or am I missing something? For anyone that reads, I’d love to get your insights.
Sorry, but my insights mirror yours. The ambiguity of the gospel has led to several major religions and countless minor sects/denominations/churches. Each one claims they're the way and many of their doctrines diverge to the point of contradiction. Protestants think Roman Catholics blaspheme and Roman Catholics think Protestants blaspheme. Many Protestant denominations believe other denominations are headed the wrong way (the recent Methodist schism over homosexuality). At it's core, Christianity is simple...almost too simple. Just 'believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and those shalt be saved.' But almost NEVER does ANYONE leave it at that...not even Jesus himself who claimed many will on the last day say Lord Lord did we not cast out demons in your name and he will say to them depart from me because you did not do the will of the Father. So he seems to be saying not everyone who thinks he's a Christian will be saved. He also warns that broad is the path that leads to destruction and many will follow it but narrow is the way that leads to salvation and few will find it. SO, notwithstanding this video's assurance that there are 'so many' Christians in the world, it seem Jesus might be saying not ALL of them are actually Christians. Perhaps THIS is why Christianity is so popular today...it's a one-size fits all. At its core there are almost NO requirements except to believe one thing. Anyone can, with a thought, call himself a Christian.
tell me:what is this better way of forgiving us for our sins:how can we reside in the presence of a perfect god in a perfect place without being perfect ourselves:and sin leads to destrcution thats what sin is: a corruption of things and thats why sin leads to death and a punishemt that jesus had to take upon himself for belivers but by rejertcing him and not embracing him or not beliving in him you reject his gift thats the reason (providing for evil is evil : mercy is not providing for wickedness it is forgiving wickedness)
Jesus is absolutely wonderful!
While I appreciate the message, the somewhat sardonic tone of the narration is amusing given the context. XD
Atheism doesn't understand Jesus's sacrifice because it think of God as a newcomer who barges in, claim authority and demand worship.
Yet, an honest study of reality and it's nature will INEVITABLY lead to God. And a study of our history will INEVITABLY lead to Jesus.
Atheism essentially take existence/life for granted, which is funny for a worldview that claim authority on science.
You don't understand atheists or atheism at all. I would actually pity you if you weren't a full-grown adult with the capacity to steelman opposing arguments and to simultaneously question your own beliefs. These two things are what your ilk do time after time after time.
Mike is a smart guy, and it pains me to listen to him defend such stupid ideas.
"If the central message of Christianity is so absurd, why did it not quickly die out? why does it continue to grow and it has become the world's largest and influential religion?"
Looks at history, anthropology, religions, ideologies and cultures throughout history and modern day... yeah, he is right, absurd ideas always quickly died out and Christianity is the only absurd idea that did not quickly die out. That means there can be no absurd ideas today that have not quickly died out... Oh wait.
Can you explain how an “absurd” idea can become stronger in popularity? What’s your evidence that you can bring from history science and philosophy for it being absurd?
My goodness, you're really so desperate spamming this comment section. You seem troubled. This comment is your weakest one so far. In the meantime, tell me: Church trauma? Strict parents? Sibling or only child? Feel to be different? Projecting irrational ideas under a false mask of rationality? Pretty decent life, but just a need to be crap to others? We're here to listen!
@@cerebrummaximus3762 Thanks for proving again there is no hate like Christian love.
None of the above, loving parents, zero church trauma while I was a Christian. And I never crap on others intentionally. I am just pretty concerned with finding the truth, so much so I expose myself to opposing ideas to that which I believe.
I used to be a Christian, and extremely devout one, until I realized it was not true.
I had zero church trauma, in fact the people and the church were my life, I mostly only knew Christians.... until the day I became an agnostic and every single Christian gave their back to me, showing their true nature and colors. Just like you showed, there is a huge us vs them mentality in Christianity. And every single Christian I meet is extremely rude and condescending whenever they realize I am an agnostic atheist. I wish Christianity was true, I wish there was an all loving God, I really do. But the more I look into it the less I believe. Why do you think I am here? I keep looking at apologist videos in case I am wrong.
Do you think my comment was weak, well only because I responded to the weak argument that Christianity is true because it is popular and has persisted. Well look at Islam, and how it is projected to surpass Christianity in popularity. Humans have believed in a lot of absurd things, so just because many believe in them doesn't make it true. Look at how many religions there are.
*Praise the LORD Jesus Christ. History is truly...His Story.*
Thank you greatly Michael/IP for this epic video reminder of JESUS' AGAPE - Meaning & Apologetic beyond all else. God bless bro.
So IP's answer to God sacrificing himself to himself is God needed to put on a good show? Isn't that manipulative? Secondly, God didn't pay the ultimate price. Jesus was not annihilated or spent eternity in hell. Jesus had a 3 day nap. Lastly, if Jesus already paid for all sin, then none who don't want it should be annihilated or be in hell. The price is already paid. They are sinless. Everyone at all times are sinless.
How old are you? These are basic but core questions. Please do not let your bias make you irrational
@@cerebrummaximus3762 I'm old for a butterfly but young for a mountain. Unfortunately, everyone is biased. I'm biased towards really reliable forms of evidence in forming my beliefs. If that makes me irrational, I won't be able to understand how. I don't see theist as irrational, they are just mistaken. They're just human after all. People have invented and worshiped over 10K Gods thru out history. What's one more?
This is the God I serve, He provides me infinite love, infinite grace, provided for me as an orphan, pulled me out of the pit and give me a firm place to stand, broke my chains of slavery to addiction. Yes, I love Jesus Christ!
Amen ip , God bless you, you family, friends and your ministie , have a nice day
WHAT THE HECK IP I CRIED 😭😭😭😭 THIS IS BEAUTIFUL
That is a good thing.
Here before Prophet Of Zod fans brigade the comments.
So you acknowledge that base concept of Christianity is indeed ridiculous and use appeal to emotion fallacy to justify it?
I can't wait to see you in Texas! This content is absolutely stunning. You're one of the channels who helped me find Christ in the last couple months. Your work is deeply appreciated ❤
Hallelujah!
All the angels are rejoicing because you have chosen to put your total trust in Jesus as your Savior and your God!! Please do continue to keep your heart and mind focused on Jesus Christ who is the Author and the Finisher of your faith, who reveals the heavenly Father to you by the Holy Spirit, for one day you will see Him face to face!!!
The Lone Brain Cell State.
stunningly stupid
Great Work again! I saw someone ask once "what type of book is the Bibble?" and I though, for the ancient ones it would have been a comedy, like the Oddisey, but after seeing this video I get it more clear, the Bibble is certaintly a love story, a story of the love of a creator for his creation. Keep it up! Despite the Suffering of the world God is always there for us.
God Needs a Psychiatrist , Talks Prays to Himself and is a Sadist to Himself , Cuts Himself etc.
@@meowlionkatz Did you come from a mental institution or what?
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Great video. I think this message encapulates the mysteries of our faith, which does not deflect answers, but shows that the answers we get may not be the ones we want or understand.
God Needs a Psychiatrist , Talks Prays to Himself and is a Sadist to Himself , Cuts Himself etc.
Without a single attempt at answering the critique of the reasonableness of crucifixion, I don't see how it is not a deflection.
He never answers the question of why God needed to shed blood in order to forgive. Isn’t that the opposite of forgiveness? What blood did the father require when he embraced the prodigal son? Love this channel but very disappointed in this video ❤
Until you demonstrate that the god in question exists, this all sounds like the middle school boy's girlfriend who lives in Canada and whose parents won't let her use the Internet.
You hit the nail on the head!
We mock a crucified man who appealed for peace, humility, and temperance while worshipping oligarchs, celebrities, and even science popularizers.
"When we admire the accomplishments of others, we make them our own.".
Voltaire
So an all powerfull beign couldnt find another way than this ? An all knowing beign who knew satan and eve would sin couldnt find any other way.
He "found" an " other way " you would say the same thing.
i doubt you will see my comment but please do. i not once in my entire life have desired to be loved over any other things. when someone tells me that they love me, i have reacted a multitude of ways but none of them where glee. i don't sympathize with the described deep intuition that the video mentions. if the Cross only makes sense in context of this deep desire, what do i do if i don't have this deep desire? for further context, i have autism. might be relevant.
You might be a narcissist or sociopath then.
Jesus says we are to love Him with all our hearts, souls, and minds. If you are more analytical then focus on how you were made. God has called you to love Him with your mind. Study the evidence for Christianity and know that He saved you from the sin you commit. You don't have to feel emotion to follow Christ, you have to accept you are a sinner and ask for a savior. That requires a mind to do so.
Let me help you here.
IP vocabulary is way too doctrinary and religious and way less psychological.
To love is to care. To love is to give importance to something if not action by reaction.
I know a little about autism. You have not complete apathy for anything or anyone, you care but maybe you don't process well the info in your conscious mind. Maybe you don't know how to react neither exchange love to another but that doesnt mean that you don't mind if another dies of suffer, just don't know what to do.
Being autist, does not make you a psychopath.
As well caring for God maybe you don't get it, but lets say that is about caring for others, for truth and what is right.
@@supergastonh the thing about the caring idea is that my cares are rarely aimed towards living human beings.usually my cares are aimed toward the arts, morality, and truth. which sounds like a good description of the imago dei, but the desire to love persons and be loved is barely there. souls rarely cause me to delight. and all the delight i've got from souls is a speck compared to the delight i get from music. it's like music is alive but humans aren't. weird stuff.
interesting. I feel quite similar. I have great agapic love but I quite dislike eros and it's ability to make people ignorant.
Suuuuuuuch bad reasoning! If your god is all powerful and decided everything before the universe even began... then he decided to put Jesus on that cross as the price rather than... Just forgiving people. I can do that. How am I more capable than a god? An I a god? No I exist...
The tap dance is just childish. It's illogical all the way through and this attempt was just another in a long line of bad arguments to try to excuse such.
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The rich philosophy and beauty in this video is beyond words. I do find myself acting over-rational sometimes. Guess this was a wake up call. You've done it again, IP!
Beautifully put. Now for those that still can't let go of the objection even after the explanation: the wages of sin is death because sin is antithetical to life itself. Requiring blood to atone for sin is just metaphorical language to signify that death is necessary to atone for sin ("the life of the flesh is in the blood"). Hence, the only way to resolve the disequilibrium created by sin is through death. Death is to sin what OH- (base) is to H30+ (acid), they neutralize one another and produce H20, however without God's intervention this way of resolving the sin problem would result in losing the person who was trapped in sin. If death is necessary to resolve sin, then how can sin be resolved without losing the person trapped in sin? Is there a way for this person to experience death without actually dying? The only way is for God Himself to take on human flesh, die sinlessly on our behalf, such that we can share in His death and indeed experience death to sin, thereby being spiritually revived and cured from the spiritual disease that is sin by being reconciled to God.
That's as succinct as I can put it, which still doesn't do it justice, because the doctrine of salvation is so incredibly multi-faceted. However, the fact that the solution to such a complex and multi-dimensional problem is so simple and elegant does make it all the more ingenious and beautiful.
Then: why could Satan keep any powers, and EVER be able, to revisit heaven, in any time, or way, whatsoever, post, fully, witting, fully CONSCIOUS - and none 'inherited'... high treason, @truthmatters7573 ?
In day of Job, say. To give his silly opinion, there. After many angels became unaccountably unhappy, gullible, or confused - in heaven.
I think that might be more... beautifully put. Including to victims of Torquemada, Calvin, Pope Paul III, and others.
Or about Eden, about 'inheriting' anything from what only TWO people (semi) wittingly, choose, unaware of full implications. Nor of 'giving' Satan anything...
And also, where does Romans 8:30, Matthew 7:13, 1 Corinthians 2:14, 2 Corinthians 2:4 - and Revelations 13:8... fit into, this wider, picture, too?
"the only way to resolve the disequilibrium created by sin is through death." - but who created this rule? God did it. No matter how many rules you will put forward, they will all be created by God. Hence it always comes back to the problem that God is solving problems he himself created. It makes absolutely no sense.
@@piotr.ziolo. it is not a rule created by God, rather it is an inherent consequence of the moral law, which itself is a reflection of God's unchanging nature. As such morality is not arbitrary and neither are the consequences of going against morality. Declaring morality to us did not create the moral law, neither did declaring the consequences of going against morality create those consequences. Those declarations are predicated on the reality of God's unchanging nature, not on an arbitrary act of will. The same goes for the rules of logic and mathematics. These are as unchanging as reality itself and are not arbitrarily decided upon, rather they are reflections of God's nature.
@@truthmatters7573 Can you provide this logical proof that goes from the unchanging nature of God to "the only way to resolve the disequilibrium created by sin is through death."?
@@piotr.ziolo. No, not at that level of rigor. Philosophy is best done slowly, and I don't have that time now.
However, if you believe that injustice merits punishment and justice requires the punishment of injustice, then that solves that.
You can also view it as a matter of injustice being a voluntary act of separation from God, who is also the source and sustainer of all life, meaning that your days are numbered the moment you choose to cut yourself off from God.
You can also view it as the love of God making it impossible for the inevitable suffering that results from injustice to be multiplied infinitely in the absence of some greater good being achieved through that end.
Now it's probably all of the above and possibly more. Anyway, good question, but I probably can't really help you more than this. Hope this serves as food for thought. I'm sure you should be able to see by now that your question is far from some insurmountable objection and has plausible answers, even if you are still a little fuzzy on the details.
The gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.
You can have all the bits you said here that make sense minus the bits of Christian theology that don't make sense.