EV Charging Without A Garage
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2017
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Ideally, you’d have a setup at your house. For example, at my home, I have a NEMA 14-50 outlet. But what if you can’t install a charger at your home like this? Maybe you don’t have a garage or live in an apartment complex that won’t install a charger? That’s when you’ll have to go public
At home, depending on your equipment, you’ll likely get Level 2 charging rates. This will get you between 20mi of charge per hour which is around 31kph.
If you don’t want to wait that long, you’ll want to find a DC Fast Charger. Some even call these Level 3 chargers. The most common connector for a DC Fast Charger is the CHAdeMO plug and is popular in both the US and Europe. The last option regarding charging connectors is for Tesla. The Tesla Supercharger could be called a Level 4 charger with the fastest rates available.
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With over 1,000 locations across the US EVgo is relatively small but does seem to have decent availability in more urban areas. As far as costs go EVgo offers several plans depending on your needs. When looking at the plan choices, it seemed confusing, especially since they charge based on the amount of time versus the amount of energy.
Next, we have the most extensive charging network provider, ChargePoint. At the station by my house, the rate was $0.35 per kWh which may sound high, but when you consider our peak rates in San Diego are over 0.40, it’s a good deal. In addition to the per kWh rate, they will limit the amount of time you can charge at a station. T
Another popular network here in southern California is Blink. Blink reports over 4K chargers and they do offer fast charging.
A new startup from San Francisco, Volta, is looking to disrupt this market with free charging. The model is based on showing ads on their massive display stations located next to where you plug in to charge.
Tesla owners get some additional options with the supercharger and destination charger networks. The supercharger network is currently the fastest way to charge of any EV. In about 30min you can get upwards of 170 miles, just under 275km of charge.
The supercharger network has over 7K chargers and is prevalent in the US, Europe, and Asia.
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In addition to the superchargers, Tesla partnered with many hotels and malls to offer destination chargers similar to what you can install at your home. These chargers are free for all Tesla’s but often are reserved for patrons of the store or hotel hosting them.
When it comes to finding public chargers, there are lots of options. In my experience the best one is plugshare.
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EV Match is another startup in this space is working to help pair drivers and people with chargers. The idea here is that people can share their home chargers with others in an Airbnb fashion where the host receives a small fee for providing you with a charge port and juice for your journey.
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So with all these options hopefully you can rest easy when it comes to finding a place to charge.
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First...always wanted to do that.
Your up late☺
I love the good vibe inside the tesla youtuber community
"If you're not first, you're last!"
Fill up in 10 minutes?! That will change the world
I like the fact that Ben knows his market and is willing to make videos to help the new adopters! I love it! Keep it up
Finally someone who talks about this. Here in Paris (and all Europe ) it's a big problem because almost everyone lives in appartements and doesn't have a garage or a specific parking spot so you can't install a charging station. In Paris there is actually a charging network and it's actually pretty big but you have to pay for it when your just parking there. So you have to plug in then return to the car and park it somewhere else when you're done charging. I think the best solution would be to make a law so that every house has the obligation to install a charging point (if it's really large you have to put multiple charging points). The problem is that people will be saying it destroys the looks of our house and another problem would be how are you going to pay for power. But I think you could easily find a solution.
With wind and particularly solar energy, the cost of energy will eventually fall to near zero. So the marginal cost is the capital needed to install the charging points, which thankfully is relatively low; as low as a few hundred euros each.
Loanword Eggcorn ok for the energy even though there has to be a cost but the city could pay but for the charging station it could cost a lot so I think the owners should pay for them and the city could help pay if it's necessary
I agree the owners should pay for them, however, best case, the costs are very low; in the hundreds of Euros each, so not much social support may be needed. For example, home owners who add an EVSE and have existing wiring may pay fewer than 500 Euros/Dollars/Pounds. It's only when new wiring needs to be added that the cost goes up a few hundred more. In any case, the costs are not large, since most buildings have electricity!
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I'm glad, for this video too. Big city USA, is much the same as Paris. In Chicago, Volta is popular, free lvl 2 for 2 hours. And many municipalities here offer free charging or charge the electric company going rate by kilowatt hour. With apartment and condo dwellers, with no garage, plug ins are popular such as chevy volt etc.
wouldnt be so bad if they just said f it to the cord type and mandated a standardized outlet and let people deal with their own cords. same as every other appliance on the market.
offer a locking box so it cannot be stolen I guess.
Very informative and exciting all the expansion of charging options. Like this as I have 2 Model 3's on order and will be looking forward to using these sites in the next year... fingers crossed for those with first day deposits.
I remember hanging a extension cord out the window of my apartment own to my car so it would start in the winter ,20 below freezing and i assent alone
For someone who's considering go EV without home charging: ASK SOMEONE NEARBY FIRST (EV/PHEV OWNER).
From my experience (I'm in WA) EV charging spot is NOT an issue. problem is EXPENSIVE charging cost. If you don't have a home charging and should rely on public charging station, please beware of charing cost. Generally, they're may more expensive than gas (cost per distance)
- Urban Supercharger will be a solution, but it's only available in few spot right now.
Thanks for informative video, that was helpful to understand how California's EV infrastructure. and I envy California folks that they have free charging network. :P
Great video Ben! You always have excellent topics that make me go "I'm glad someone made a video about that." You analyze topics that many of us wonder about.
+Eric Snapat 🙏
Very helpful for us future Model 3 owners who rent. Thanks Ben!
We install the high powered Tesla chargers and other EV chargers at CRsolar Texas... good video tons of good info, I bet you can talk your apartment or condo into adding chargers as they want to keep their tenants happy - plus in many cities their are incentives for this. Don't forget to solar power your charger if your a home owner it just makes since to charge when the sun is shining and work at night ... LOL -- of course its good to have net metering or a battery to store up the sun if not.
Great video, plugshare is my favorite too. Have yet to try anything but a supercharger it in the wild.
Ben, the Tesla to J1772 adapter you mentioned is not intended for use on the Tesla Superchargers, but only on the Level 2 Tesla Destination chargers. If you are stealing from anyone with this adapter, it would be whomever pays the energy bill for said charger.
Thanks for the very informative video. Am thinking about my first EV purchase (BEV SUV) and scoped out a suitable way to go from the Bay Area to Yosemite and back, I see a few convenient mid-point locations to stop and recharge (CCS DC-Fast). I wanted to ask: can users ever reserve a charging stand? I would hate to roll into Oakdale (for example) and then have to wait and wait if the unit is being used. Thanks.
Great info and well done video, thanks!! Gives me a lot to think about and research
As always great information. Any chance you can put info in a spreadsheet that has the brand of charger, the app needed to find the charger locations, the adapter needed for a Tesla, the rate of charge, the approx cost?
You can also add information about municipalities like LADWP or LA Bureau of Street Lighting as entities that are working on making charging stations in LA City.
Ben, please add information about how quick the battery drains while parked! If you don’t have a garage or house charger, this is crucially important since the car battery can flatten while it is parked. Address how temperature and such affect this. Thank you in advance!
Hi, are there any safety measures in place if a Tesla is charging in a public station and left unattended(like at a shopping center) to keep someone from unplugging it or even switching the power outlet to their own car for charging on your dime?
Hi Ben, should the title of this not be charging with out a driveway as you don't need a garage .
Great video. Are there any DC fast chargers that use the J1772 adapter?
Please suggest a free standing level 2 charging station for home. I.e., my house is 51’ from the street, too far for the 25’-max. length cord and plug. I cannot charge the car in the driveway (I let my tenants use the driveway). I cannot wall mount a “charger” on the wall. I want to run an underground 240v cord/conduit underground from the house to a vertical post or metal enclosure adjacent to the street which would support the “charger” and a normal short cord and plug. Are you aware of any pedestal style level 2 charger that I can have installed in my yard? Thanks.
Can you also make a video about charging at home ? Thank you
Hi. I am living in a condo in Vancouver. I am going to buy a model 3 but I was told that the garage in the condo cannot install a level 2 plug or wall charger. And there are few shared chargers around my house. Can I own a model 3 and only use Superchargers to charge my car ? Will Superchargers affect battery life ?
that is a really good video! thanks
So I am looking at getting a model 3 Long range rear wheel. My commute to work is 100 miles a day. I will eventually have a setup at home but it will be a little bit until that is installed. There is a supercharger 10 minutes from my work and would be able to charge on lunch (they last an hour). I have read though that you shouldn't use a supercharger all the time because it degrades the battery. I would need to charge the car every third day, is that too much on a supercharger?
I think the partnership of chargepoint with Chevy is that when you purchase a Bolt, it already comes with a wall charger. Like the zoe here in the middle east, once you purchase one, you automatically have L2 charger, and includes installation from a professional company. Sad to say that the zoe sometimes turns into a "charger killer" based on experience, once you plug the charger to the car, thr charger sends sort of like a discharge current which fries the internal circuitry of the charging station
Ben thank you I’m a huge fan, I live in an urban area, Bronx NY to be exact, my concern is battery percentage drop during north east winters and I live in an apartment complex with no charging situation. With that said there are many and I mean many charging stations not too far where I live and on my 1 hour commute to work many many options even my boss has a charging station at work that I could use so that’s not my issue. I’m not even worried about street parking and damage I live in NY it’s inevitable it is what it is. My sole concern is the percentage drop during the north east winters... i want a Tesla either pre owned or new model S,3 and or Y... do you know of anyone who has a similar situation and can put me at ease ? Thank you for this video it help me tremendously. I’m that much closer to pulling the trigger with no hesitation but not there all the way just yet...
volts came to 2 stations that i know of in portland. Kohls in gateway and washingtion squre
Hi where is referral code located. Thanks in advance. Like the material you are sharing.
I have also seen a system that dose wireless charging with a device on the ground and then a connection under the car. Once driven over the area on the ground the charging begins. I don't remember the name of the company but this is an option for a house without a garage.
So i look at this and i see tons of variations in the plug type. How do i know what plugs i can use for a car i might buy?
To be clear. Im worried that charger types arent inter compatible with the port on different cars.
In Europe, the destination chargers are essentially basic Mennekes connector chargers. In a major shopping mall here in the Copenhagen area (Rødovre Centrum), there is 8 chargers in the lower parking level. Half of the chargers are reserved for Tesla's, the other half are available for all EV's, but they are all the same Tesla destination chargers, no adapter required.
When Tesla first rolled out the Model S in the U.S., the standard J1772 connector would not handle the high currents they wanted for fast charging, so Tesla made their own connector. For Europe, China, etc., Tesla found the Mennekes connector would work for high power, so they used it. The near future is almost certainly CCS for fast charging, since it's supported by most car manufacturers, including Tesla.
Having different connectors is dumb and slows down EV adoption, so the sooner the CCS standard is used by Tesla and Nissan, the better it will be for EVs. Almost everyone else is using CCS already, including GM, Ford, VW, BMW, Daimler, Audi, Porsche, Volvo, Fiat, Chrysler, etc.
so where is the link to the MAP that shows the rates for each different location ((7:50)??
Are super chargers worse for the batteries than the regular at home charger?
Biggest issue with relying only on public charging is that the public L2 units usually have a 2-4 hour limit. This means that getting to 90 or 100% is difficult ahead of a road trip etc...
I heard that if you buy your Tesla with the Long Range Battery (310 miles) and if you drive less than 310 miles a week you can Charge the battery at a Tesla Charging station 'once a week' AND at 100% and the battery will not significantly degrade performance? Do you think this will work for Condo dwellers without chargers in their garage. I live in San Diego 92103? Please let me know if you think this will work??
I have heard it is bad for your batteries to use a Tesla supercharger a lot do to its fast charging. If I planed on charging a Tesla overnight, could I change the rate the supercharger charges the battery? There is a supercharger down the street from where I live, it would be nice to park my car there over night but I would not want to use it regularly if there was a chance that it would ruin my battery. Thanks
there's one EV level 2 charging station at my work where i charge for free. some companies have that to promote employee retention and entice potential employees. i wish all companies install at least one for employee use, wouldn't even matter if it's not for free. it's the convenience of going to work and charging up at the same time.
What's the brand of the charger?
if you're deciding between employers based upon a dryer outlet to charge your luxury car that cant make it to work and back maybe you should rethink priorities. unless you're trying to milk 4$ a day and block it for anyone who needed it
I work for a company that owns a company that makes them and we don't even have one
Hmm. 1% goes faster? I 've heard that from 1% to 10% can go really slow especially if its a bit cold?
The problem with EV chargers in San Diego is that most of them, especially in downtown are located inside garages in which you need to pay to enter. Rates vary from $10-$20. That's not including the cost of charging itself. Sure, there are public chargers, but it is guaranteed you will be waiting for an open spot (day time hours).
Hey Ben, in your video you mentioned several times rate per kWh. How many kWh’s are required to fill a Tesla Model 3 completely. Thanks
kevin neiman I believe the size of the model 3 battery is approximately 50 kWh for the 220 mile or 75 kWh for the 310 mile versions of the vehicle.
I know some guys on FB with BMW i3 that has the adapters..no problems just looks from Tesla owners...(that's a show down I'd like to see)
So why can’t I get the 310 miles from my longe range battery? I charge at Tesla super charger since I got 2 years free charging. No charging station in my condo.
Does anyone know what exclusively using the tesla supercharger network would do to your battery life? Would it degrade over time if you only use the fast charging? I was debating getting a Tesla, but decided not to since I live in an apartment complex.
A company called Tesloop has been doing this on a car for 300,000 miles, and they had a problem with the battery at around 200k, had it swapped and it was still like 90+% I think.
(due to a misconfiguration of the software to read charge state, not a problem with the battery, Tesla simply wanted the battery as an example of a high use unit to do further testing and configuration for future)
Tesla makes a Chademo adapter (it costs over $200) that lets you use that. There currently is not an adapter for CCS combo that I'm aware of.
great videos. Enjoyed this one. One question, can I use the official CHAdeMO adaptor from Tesla to charge my Model 3? I have an EVgo and Electrify America charging station near by.
That should work, the adapter is expensive tho
@@BenSullinsOfficial is it worth trying, even though on tesla shop it states it is not compatible?
Is there a threshold for how many times a week you can use a supercharger or level 3 without hurting the battery?
2x a day for years apparently, "tesloop"
No offense really meant Ben, but being a Tesla guy, you're kind of out of your element here when talking about non-supercharger chargers. Maybe, just maybe you have a CHAdeMO adapter and have visited a CHAdeMO once? Anyway, let me throw in two tips, from someone who has to use these chargers because I don't have a supercharger network. You did do a fairly good job -- just missed a couple points I think are key.
1) Blink might be semi ubiquitous, at least when compared to other chargers in the area, but they are by far the most likely to be out of service. They break, and no one fixes them. Generally, they're only L2 or CHAdeMO, so if your car has CCS, you probably won't be using them -- you know, if by the off-chance they do work. There are 5 of these chargers in the parking structure I use down town when going to a ballgame. 2 of them work. Use the blink app and see how many are out there, and how many of those show up as "unavailable." 60-70% is probably a good ballpark number.
2) While Blink sets their prices based on the area, and I think EVgo sets a price they use pretty much everywhere they exist, ChargePoint rates vary. Blink owns Blink chargers and EVgo owns EVgo, but ChargePoint is locally hosted. Businesses get these and set their own price. The connection and payment is handled by chargepoint, but a portion of the fee goes back to the owner. The price will be any combination of a connection fee (a fee just to plug in), a per minute/hour fee, and a per kWh fee. I've seen chargers anywhere from free to $2.00 to hook up, 30 cents a kWh and 5 cents a minute after 30 minutes, with the fee going up to $4/hour after 3 hours. The owner can really roll their own fee. We have these at work and it's a flat $0.95/hour with a minimum of an hour. After 4 hours the price goes up to $3/hour. This price was set by corporate and is the same fee on every one of our campuses across the USA -- not sure about our international locations. Anyway, if you're looking on plugshare and see a ChargePoint, look at the set fees. You may need to use the ChargePoint app to see the fees for a particular charger.
3) Not all DCFC are equal. I've seen as low as 24KW and as high as 60kW. It does make a difference. If you're using EVgo, look for the ones with the red ABB on them. Those are the 125A chargers -- the fastest EVgo does, for now.
How about talking to your boss about putting in some chargers at the office parking lot!
Just ask for a raise instead 🤑
Could work from home
Phenomenal video!
I am about to be a new owner of a Tesla. Your videos have been incredibly helpful in terms of making me feel comfortable with my decision. Thank you so much! On a side note… Those bar charts were built in Tableau, weren't they? ;-)
+John Jensen congrats! And yep, been a long time fan of Tableau
one of the original Tableau enterprise employees....glad to hear!
I have two 240 volt charger hook ups being installed in a car port at my new home. What are my options to prevent unauthorized use of my plugs?
Maybe have a switch inside the house to turn the power to the plugs on.
Padlocks on the cables/ports, kill switch inside, security camera to report theft, some home ports are "smart" and can be keyed to your car, or use a geo-fence to only charge when you are at home.
It's not a whole lot different from having hose bibs hanging off the side of your house.
Use the advise by Callum and Sherrif and also don't list your EVSE's on any of the apps. If you don't advertise their location and place them out of sight other EV owners won't know about them.
Tesla looks cool and different after watching your vids so decided to go to Tesla web page to check out there charging sites here in New Zealand and to me right now i dont think its worth it as they seam few and far between plus most of the ones i found are at motels that state customers you have to stay at or really expensive hotels.
There’s a place across the street from my apartment with free ChargePoint charging :3
+Chemtrail Dreams nice!
I want to buy model 3 but I live in apartment tell me please what is the best solution I live in Hawthorne
Maged Habib So when the little kids with no rubber grips on his handlebars rides past your car scraping a line across the entire length of your 60K paint job, your ok with that part of parking a new car in an apartment?
I plan on purchasing a Tesla Model 3 but I currently live in a Condo with no charging facilities. So I will have to use Tesla's Supercharges exclusively perhaps 1 to 2 times a week. I called my local tesla sales office and the person I spoke with said, you can do this however, it will damage the battery. Is this correct? I cant imagine Tesla limiting sales to only people that have homes with slower level chargers.
That is a good question, I wonder if it would truly damage battery?
You can limit the extent to which your battery charges. As long as you don't charge it to full and deplete it to near empty, it shouldn't effect the battery. I'm not an expert but that's my understanding from reading stuff made by experts
Finally, someone that explains the various chargers, adapters etc. But what about people stealing the plugs since your car is left unattended.
At least with a Tesla the plug is locked to the car during charging.
Most EV's lock the cable in the car, it's been a pretty standard practice for a while.
I wonder why Tesla has not put the push on Casino destination charging.
This os also the problem
For me. No parking spot or charger at my house
Can’t you just install an outdoor plug and charge with that?
The average one-way commute distance in the US is 15 miles. That means that in 3 days about 100 miles is covered. If someone can't charge at home, are they realistically going to charge their car for a half-an-hour every three days? This seems unrealistic.
+Lyle Lange hopefully you get more then 100 miles
I live in an apartment where charging isn't an option. Tesla cars are out of my price range, but other EV's are not. I am fortunate in that there is a fast charging station just three miles away from where. But I simply don't want to spend over an hour per week being mostly idle just so I can drive my car.
As a matter of curiosity, how are you going to pay for superchargers? I've been looking around for the answer on the internet, but I've not been able to come up with the answer. How will the superchargers know who are and aren't due to pay? Is it the website that's going to determine it (assuming you have put your credit card in)? Maybe you could talk about this in one of your episodes. Thank you!
When you plug into the supercharger it knows who you are from the charger. Then in the Tesla app you have your CC and they auto-charge it.
Probably identify the car and lookup whether it has free charging or not as well as how much free charging it has left.
I haven’t heard of any of these other chargers
What about robberies at charging locations? It seems to me that safety can be an issue! Any stats?
Why would this be any higher than at other parking lots or fuel depots?
Depends, if EV charging units are in the back (dark) part of a parking lot because the business in question didn't want them taking up space next to the store then there is a difference. Not one anybody should concern themselves with though.
@@morosis82 because you’re literally a sitting duck for at least 20 minutes while you charge and the car is unable to move or unlatch once it’s charging so you can’t escape.
Theres going to be many Cybertruck owners wondering what to do as it looks like the average garage wont take a CT. I know my garage is about 2 inches too short.
Charging public costs 0,41 cents per kilowatt in holland. Not cheap if you can’t charge at your
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My Tesla is a 2019 Model S, and it came with free lifetime supercharging,
LG and Samsung are slated to introduce next gen batteries that can charge about 200 miles in 6 minutes in the next few years. This will revolutionize EV's. This will also be a catalyst for current gas stations to install chargers at their current locations and would be a new source of revenue that could bring profits for charger owners everywhere.
Ok so here's the issue with this "breakthrough"
A majority of the public chargers are not fast chargers, the "level 3" and "level 4" charging is still rare compared to level 2 and even level 1 public chargers (though level 1 is getting phased out).
So even if we introduced this mythical "level 5+" charging batteries, the actual chargers won't exist for it. The problem is the faster you're "blasting" power into the battery the more expensive the charging station will be to put in, and possibly to supply power to. In fact with current charging tech the battery in your phone is actually capable of being charged from dead to full in a couple minutes, but it's just not worth selling cables and chargers capable of such speeds.
Yes the new battery technologies being talked about, like Solid States being 3x more dense and 10x faster charging, sound really great and will be a huge boon to electric vehicles. But actually charging a car with 100 kWh in 5 min will be a huge amount of electricity moving through a cable into the car. That's the piece of technology we're really waiting on, not batteries.
True, but I don't see this as an issue. That's why I think places like gas stations, and dealerships will be first to install these. You will need less chargers if persons can quickly charge up and go.
1:23 those look like the ev chargers at portland airport
7:17 The new Bay Bridge?
Evs really should have a feature that shows u all the chargers around you. Not just the tesla ones. I wouldn't want to pull out my phone , find the browser, google, then pick a site etc etc
No need for browser, google, etc. Just use Plugshare or ChargePoint apps or various others. They will geo locate you and show every station around you per how you have set your filters. If on the road my i3 will search for charge sites and set them as destinations. If planning a trip using my iPhone, I can send the directions to my i3 nav system ahead of time. Easy and quick.
Well with the joke of a car, the Bolt, you dont get any satnav or maps so they show even less chargers near you. Its very pathetic how bad the Bolt is.
sorry, I don't believe they charge the same way as to pouring water. they would constant current charge so it charges at the same rate otherwise when flat it'll pour 100's amps to start charging and when almost full take a hour as it's going slow, makes not sense..
It's a bad analogy especially with the wine glass visual. It's more like trying to pour water into dirt, when you first start pouring there's more places for the water to go so it absorbs into the dirt quickly, but when you get close to fully saturated the water just sits on top of the dirt slowly seeping into it chargers being extra careful not to put more charge than the battery can handle... Because that would lead to an explosion.
I keep hearing everyone talking about L2 and supercharging being ubiquitous, like you can't turn around and take 3 steps without tripping over one or the other in your bathroom. While this MIGHT be SORT OF the case in SoCal and Silicon Valley, outside of the bubble that is definitely NOT the norm.Most folks looking at these things have AT LEAST a 25 mile trip to the nearest supercharger, and God only knows how far to the nearest non-proprietary. If I were to get an EV, I'd HAVE to get a Tesla, then hope it didn't lose too much juice overnight as we have one of our 18F nights and mornings, before driving SIXTY miles to Boise, and waiting AT LEAST 50 minutes for the car to charge up to 90%+ before driving 60 miles BACK and going to work. Otherwise, I'm on house current and losing more and more range every day, since it can't keep the pack charged AND run the battery management system full blast at the same time.Does this sound like a MINOR hurdle to EVs becoming mainstream?
I made A video on how to extend battery life. It can also restore the capacity of older batteries.
I wish what you were saying was true for all US states, but it's not. Tesla only has five superchargers in my state, in addition to that there's only a handful of destination Chargers and PowerPoint Chargers. Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama are just about EV dead zones you can only charge when you're at home, and forget about going on long trips
Pikachu THE GAY ATHEIST , After dropping 60K, Not being able to take a road trip seems GREAT!
I saw an interview with Elan Musk he’s talking about now investigating the brain solving a lot of issues like amnesia and dementia Just to name a few this guy never cease to amaze me I think he’s going to be the most important human on earth God blessed him.
Or just hang a wire outside your window.
Charging at the mall is much more comfortable than going to a gas station, ev cars run more quietly, there are more charging stations than gas stations, you can charge in the privacy of your own home, its better for the environment, no more emissions tests every few years, less engine problems . EV is the future.
They will capitalized on this just like oil
if you're bored enough just go get some water fountain/lamp post underground wire from home depot 100$ for 150 ft or something cheap....can handle 30 amps up to 600V ie a dryer outlet output
can just double it up or buy 2x gauge to handle 60 amps if you're in a hurry and somehow have a 60 amp outlet/know what you're doing
bury it, put an outlet at the end on your mailbox or w/e (hide it under a fake rock or bush if you have to) and plug it into your dryer outlet. boom 8kw charger 200$ and a bored afternoon? do it at night and nobody will ever know. if you care about safety throw it into some conduit for another 100ish$ to protect from digging.
you see articles online of idiotic california cities needing permits and 10,000$ of costs to put in what amounts to a dryer outlet
nothing special, every RV camp has 10's of them. and they didnt pay 10k a pop to put them in.
without charger at home or work,it is a hassle. u can't talk ur way out of it.
The problem is people living in apartments. The people that run apartments will not give free charging. That will be the bottleneck problem. Thus ruining the sales of electric cars.
cc cav, Anyone who lives in a dorm, assisted living, apartment, condo, I have a garage, but it's full of stuff and too small, shall i get a loan and add on an addition?
@@stclairstclair is this about electric cars?
@@leobav2425 , More to the point, It's about the fact that if you decide to go electric you will not have charging capability's unless your a rich white person in a large home. (im white but i thought IDE throw that nugget in for the PC crowd)
@@stclairstclair nicely said. I'm not poor but I'm not rich. I make a measly 2000 grand a month on rentals. So I guess an electric car is not in my future. The problem I have is they are pushing electric cars on people like they have the money to spend. If the money is not an issue, where are the charging stations ?.....
cc cav, Tesla's are running 60 grand with one rim costing $1250..00, How about this, if everyone in America switched to electric our power grid would immediately become overloaded, it an unfeasible joke. Chicago had an electric car boom in the 20's look it up on jay lenno, he owns one.
What are the reliability issues consumer reports has on Telsa when their motors should last 1 million miles? Go to a Mercedes show room service station and you will have
Many people in front of you waiting to get their electrical problems solved already for the 3rd time. Toyota is reliable but also not for a million miles.
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One. Dollar.
What the hell, its a total theft
+Ramūnas Gudauskas seriously
Why not put the solar panels on the roof of the car to make the charger go your out in the sun usually parked all day anyway wW WwHAT!! A self charging EV 🤯hmmmm 🤔
Tesla is most likely canceling free charging going into the future for all cars. Some people are taking advantage and using it to power vehicles that are being used as taxis in a business setting. It didn't occur to Elon to put in fine print that operating a business with the superchargers is a violation, hence they are ruining for the rest of us that would not use that heavily.
If that was the case, they could have just updated the fine print.
It is clearly in the disclosures. I don't even own a Tesla and I have read it.
I feel EV charging stations are completely illogical. I'm not saying EVs are bad. I'm saying the way they are plugged in is old school wacky. It should be and will be done wirelessly.
Eventually all cars will have inductive plats for wireless charging, and parking lots will have inductive plates installed in the parking spaces. Charging will likely become a freely available thing as the competition starts killing off the price gougers.
The plug will always be a part of the car however, but in a future where inductive plates are available enough to bury under the ground at stop lights and give free power to people sitting in traffic, the plug is going to be easily accessible. Perhaps in the future the plug will be hidden away in a hard to reach place.
Currently inductive charging is too slow, about 3+ kW/hr. Also why should power be free? I have two EV's and even though I enjoy the occasional free power I don't demand it. Petrol isn't free.
a wire is always going to be more efficient
Well you should. Next you will wonder why air is free.
If you can charge at home with off-peak rates, an EV is cheap to fuel. But once you have to pay $0.35/kWh in a car that goes 4 miles/kWh, your cost is about the same as a gasoline vehicle getting 36 MPG. And at. $1/kWh, most gas hogs are cheaper to fuel.
And if you use model S/X 3 miles per kWh it’s even more expensive. But anyone who can afford that should be able to afford a nice place to live or the extra charging cost.
The free chargers are like the local drug dealers, first taste is free, later when you are hooked you will need to pay $1/kWh. That free charger showing ads is going to be charging money once they get demonized. LOL
Fortunately many people pay $0.05 per kWh off peak. Even if the price of electricity were the same as fossil fuel, the Carbon footprint of an EV can be much lower when the electricity comes from wind or solar. And the grid gets increasingly cleaner as more renewables are added. The same cannot be said of the fossil car which remains dirty.
Loanword Eggcorn, burning fossil fuel makes plant grow better. The same cannot be said about consuming green electricity. Ironic.
But environmental issues aside, the majority of people who drive cars don’t care about making enough CO2 to keep the world green, they care about what will get them to work cheaper and more reliably, with less hassle. The tipping point will be reached when the majority of consumers can own and operate an EV for less than an equivalent ICE car, without the hassle of charging it being greater than the hassle of buying gas for their car.
IMHO, thanks for raising a key point that Ben did not address. That is, if you have to rely on public chargers, is it cheaper to run an EV vs a fossil fuel car?
+IMHO I realize the topic of this video is public charging, but a large majority of existing EV drivers charge at home overnight. Plugging in at home is far easier and more convenient than the hassle of going to a gas station. Total cost of ownership for some EVs is already lower than fossil cars if several years of fuel costs are included. Total cost of ownership will continue to fall as battery costs fall. The curves will cross sooner and sooner.
Loanword Eggcorn, the first adopters mostly have homes. But this video is not about first adopters, it’s about what happens when the masses start to drive EVs. And that won’t happen until it’s more cost efficient and less hassle than driving their ICE vehicle.
The EV is getting closer to being viable each year. It’s still not viable and won’t be until batteries get better and/or cheaper, or oil prices go through the roof (and I don’t think they will make that mistake again, that’s what let Tesla get it’s foot in the door in the first place.)
Right now there are some pretty hefty incentives which basically offset the initial purchase price and knock a huge chunk of the massive depreciation off the shoulders of the first buyer. But the incentives run out and get cut back as more people adopt. We already see that in some countries and some states inside the US.
Good video, 7:59 This is exactly one of many reasons why our brothers and sisters in the US need to vote Trump 2020 🇨🇦 🇺🇸 Crappyfornia
So much marketing wank.
Hahaha 25 miles is stupid.
Please don't start describing charging speeds in " miles per hour " !!! It makes you look stupid.....don't dumb your show down for the sake of views.....THX
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