DAMN. I liked this one man, I’m upset it got axed. It’s not perfect but it had a lot of potential. Hopefully something even better comes out of its cancelling
Robocco covers are just plagiarism tbh no originality ayashimon was dope the art was great however story wise if they didn’t give the main character some kinda power it wasn’t gonna go anywhere sadly in less than 15 chapters it didn’t pull on any heart strings for anyone, mangas In shonen are lowkey ass rn sigh smh
Jump really needs to give mangaka time to develop there stories (especially new mangaka) not every manga can be a one piece or dr. stone, at this point I'm starting to wonder if oda will even be allowed to quit after one piece. Really sad to hear this continues.
yeah and it sucks because Japan thinks Demon slayer is the greatest thing ever meanwhile, better stories imo are cut off and looked past because it cant relate to a high school teen or it doesnt have cute waifus
@Dark Knight Top selling manga in the west also tend to be shonen action series... the Japense aren't this enlightened audience that is drawn to more intellectual series. They do have slightly different preferences, but most things that are very popular here are also very popular there. Demon Slayer was a best seller in Japan in addition to the US, One Piece is still the best selling manga in Japan overall, and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, DBZ, and Pokemon continue to be important cultural touchstones for Japan. The major area where Japanese audiences diverge from western audiences is that they are super into stories that heavily revolve around their history and culture (hence the popularity of things like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen). This is why Elusive Samurai is still in the magazine, because it's basically just a period piece. And the newer manga, Akane-Banashi, also seems pretty popular. Ayashimon seems to be an exception, which is interesting and hard to explain.
While it is unfortunate that Ayashimon was canceled, I do believe that a lot of people in the west need to understand is that we can't point blame on other mangas that we don't enjoy. If anything i feel like if a manga is canceled in the magazine, they should be moved to shonen plus to see how they do online, before finally pulling the plug.
The problem is that Japan is really behind in terms of marketing globally they are too stuck in their own marked that they haven’t catch up with the rest of the world just look at how Nintendo is handled for example their business motto is way past it’s time they are lucky that most of it’s fans are people that are stuck in nostalgia.
@@mrdisaster5880 yeah, because they don't need to. When Demon Slayer sold like 5-6 million copies per volume in Japan alone, why do they need the paltry sales other nations provide? Also, America isn't only foreign market. There's China and SEA just to remind you westerners.
Me and Robocco is a great series! It's a shame people don't give it a chance, it definitely has big Gintama vibes like a few weeks ago they did a reference to the meruem walk past netero and Silva! Definitely is a love note to essential anime scenes through the decades
I'm starting to think that mangaka should start going independant. America has some pretty great creator-owned companies like Image Comics and I think some mangaka should try that angle instead. Would it be as profitable as being under a major company like Shonen Jump or Kodansha? Probably not, but at least the creators can be free to tell the stories they want to tell.
Actually you’re onto something The comic industry is dying and people are getting sick of super heroes And a lot of mangaka’s with potential are getting axed Edit: It’s a pretty appealing opportunity
Will creators REALLY be free to tell the stories they want to tell ? Going with some like Jump gives creators the freedom to create content like Chainsawman. Something like that would not fly with the western publishers
@@shazzatulanam6680 kinda hard to make money off independent works, you get a lot less protections and benefits with doujins and they’ll always sell for less if anything at all
I think people need to realize that manga being cancelled isn't unusual and at the rate that it is. People are only complaining now cause of how popular manga has become and how accessible it is. But its really not any different than how it used to be.
Anyone else remember the days of dread when we prayed for Mashle Magic and Muscles and Undead Unluck to not get cancelled??? Thank god that will never happen since they are both good sellers now. If Ayashimon is in the bin now... Dorondororon aswell as Gachi Akuta could go in that route too despite them having SUCH AWESOME POTENTIAL.
You guys don't hate Roboco, you fear Roboco, with it's lack of boundaries. In a more serious note, blaming other series or mangaka for another series getting cancelled is being a shitty person. These artists put their souls on paper every day, and you shouldn't try to make them feel guilty about a colleague losing their spot on the magazine.
I legit just don’t like it and I love things like Gintama, Haven’t you heard I’m Sakamoto, Dr. Slump, etc. It just always reminded me a poor man’s Dr. slump with some gintama style parody thrown in. But the series cancellations are WSJ expecting high numbers out of the gate while refusing to let them organically grow/being impatient.
@@cancerstinks1 no offense but that’s just unrealistic. The only group that matters is Japan. A bunch of westerners hyping a series isn’t going to do shit
To be honest, the moment Kishimoto himself got canned by the magazine with Samurai 8, I pretty much learned that nobody with a new series is safe. I personally barely bother with new manga anymore, and I definitely don't bother with new Jump manga. I guess technically I did briefly check out Build King since I was a pretty big Toriko fan, but that was also cancelled.
Tbh, I feel it was to Ayashimon's detriment when they pulled focus back from yakuza culture and organization to focus on Maruo's 1v1 antics. The fights aren't really spectacular compared to the other action manga in Jump (Undead Unluck, JJK, One Piece, HxH, Black Clover, etc.), and it doesn't help that the magazine already has a handful of bodyguard-type MCs (Yozakura Family, Sakamoto Days, Protect Me Shugomaru, arguably Mashle, arguably Roboco, and arguably Earthchild). I kinda feel it couldn't find a distinct path to call its own and make people fully look straight at it. At least, not within Jump's short timeframe
Yup its safer to be unique in jump than try to compete in a genre where you get alot of competion and those said competion are like the big shonen titles
@@ChibiReviews Even with its artstyle and fight choreography, I can feel like "I can just read Sakamoto Days for wilder fights and more fun antics". Sakamoto and Shin have been putting in work and their dynamic has been more endearing than Maruo and Urara (yes, even by the amount of chapters that Ayashimon has now).
@@Snzn_7 nigga how unique can they be? You can't sit here and tell me that if one piece came out today it wouldn't get axed 💀 I love one piece, black clover, and thank god mha is ending But like they're all fundamentally the same with their fantasy setting with wacky powers of some shit. Same shit with red hood, shonen jump is just ass.
I understand where you're coming from but how can you expect the series to find its own path when you don't even give it enough time to go beyond 20 chapters
I thought Ayashimon was alright, but I could see why people weren't jiving with the series, and it seemed to be pretty evident But you gotta be some kind of manchild to blame Me & Roboco for Ayashimon's cancelation
Well, Blue Box has definitely escaped the cancellation and axed curse you talked about lol. It's actually doing incredibly well and is one of the biggest current Shōnen Jump titles rn which is pretty darn impressive if you ask me
Undead Unluck, Sakamoto Days, Mashle, Yozakura Family, Elusive Samurai, and Blue Box seemed to have found solid footing in the magazine so far. Now, I don't see any of them being SUPER long-term series, so spots could open up quite a bit next year.
@@ChibiReviews Oh yeah, MHA is in the last arc and Black Clover starts its final arc after it gets out of hiatus too. Jujutsu Kaisen probably has 1-2 arcs left after the Culling Games too. Man, that lineup sure will alter soon. And on the monthly side, Blue Exorcist is in its final arc too.
@@murderman8578 I can't say I can estimate that for Seraph of the End with the ridiculous decisions to follow Guren's crazy plan in what's basically blind faith "cuz he's family". How long would you say Twin Star Exorcist has left?
I read Ayashimon, and while I did like it, to me something felt off about the series. Like it was missing something for it to click and get the gears going. Thats the best way I can describe it. JP audience reins supreme and I think it always will, while rest of the world is second fiddle if we can even call it that. I ain't sad Ayashimon is gone, rumors about it getting removed had been going on for a while.
I recently discovered Me & Roboco and really enjoy it, but I think there’s also a lot of cultural significance behind it because the entire premise of the manga is basically a 1:1 parody of Doraemon (M&R volume 1’s cover is based on Doraemon volume 1’s cover). I’m not Japanese, but I grew up reading English translated Doraemon manga, and the first few chapters of Me & Roboco felt very nostalgic with characters I felt familiar with the moment they’re introduced in the first panel they appear in. I think this attributes a lot to how much the Japanese audience adores Me & Roboco, not just because of taste/preference between the west and Japan, but the whole setup feels like a nostalgic love letter to Japan’s equivalent to Mickey Mouse.
Exactly. series like doraemon, crayon shinchan, ninja hattori, bakabon, etc. maybe not popular in the west but from what i see in nobita from japan yt, it still watched and favorites of many japanese.
i personally think he lacked proper agency, he felt more like someone being pulled around by the plot as opposed to be an active participant. Sometimes it's hard to tell if he is even the perspective character or not. if he were to work he would need to be more active as opposed to reactive.
I saw an announcement that "me and roboco" will have an anime adaptation and thought that I should give the manga a try so I read it despite of being skeptical and It's actually really really good I enjoyed it more than I expected and it's now one of my favorite new manga series
I'm worried for Akane-Banashi. I'm really enjoying so far and it's such a great break from all the action-heavy series. But since PPPPPP didn't get axed I'm afraid that Akane-Banashi might get cut instead
This makes sense. The problem here is that Battle shonen is already a well-represented genre in jump they are all competing for limited spots that can't only be represented by them. So they can't just have potential they need to be exceptional from the start.
This is so true. People forget that Jump is a brand and a magazine, and gag manga is a huge part of that brand. Of course the battle Shonen are the most popular, but you can’t have a magazine with no variety. It’s ultimately a magazine for kids, and they want variety. But people outside the sphere that don’t get magazines are confused, because they never bought a comic anthology in their life, because they’ve only read manga.
Boku to Robocco is very unique and funny. I've been following it since the first chapter. You have no idea how much reference the author puts in in one chapter. It also subverts many trope and very unpredictable. I think the western audience should watch Doraemon and read more manga to understand the references, then find them to be brilliant gag.
People need to learn to not get attached to new series so fast. In a lot of cases, it's fairly easy to tell from the first three chapters alone whether a new series is going to get axed or not. A lot of people just get so attached to a new series in the first three chapters that they become unable to look at the series from a neutral pov to judge whether it is likely going to be axed or not. While Ayashimon was definitely one of the few cases, where it wasn't obvious early on, lots of other manga that people hyped up were obvious axes from the start, including Red Hood or right now Earth Child as well.
Doron Dororon is probably next up for getting cut as its sales are around the same ball park as Ayashimon and it so far has been pretty generic with only a few things that really stood out. The only reason you would keep that series around is because it has a high potential of selling merch because of Kusanagi. It doesn't really matter to me because I just recently dropped it but I have a feeling it'll get axed within the next few chapters so it probably wont matter.
People must understand that Shonen jump isn't just the Battle Shonen. They also have to make room for other genres like Sports, Romance, Comedy, Slice of life, ecchi, etc. Even though, Shonen Jump allocate 10 slots for Battle Shonen, but the segment is completely oversaturated with series like One Piece, MHA, JJK, OPM and Black Clover, that's why Jump moved some of the popular titles like Spy x Family, Chainsaw Man, World Trigger and Ayakashi Triangle to Jump+ to make room for more series.
If I remember correctly jump has slot for different genres so the magazine can't be all battle,or gag or romance So blaming manga from different genres is very wrong,what make it got axed is this particular manga is worse compared to their genres ignoring manga from different genres
That's exactly it. Jump generally tries to have a certain amount of battle, gag, romance, sports & 'other' (Something like Death Note). Roboco is firmly ensconced in the pure-gag category, and the only thing it'd be cancelling is competing gag manga. ... and the US tends not to like the various pure gag/parody series in Shonen Jump, just in general. It's very much for the Japanese audiences. I mean, there's some pretty deep cut references in Roboco at time, stuff from 90s Jump that aren't mainstream.
With everything Ayashimon was setting up i really thought it was safe, idk what to think about the Shonen Jump environment anymore Kinda wishing it was published on another magazine that gave it time to develop
Tbh i could see why Ayashimon was cancelled the MC wasn't as interesting or compelling character wise, the pacing was all over the place, the characters didn't have the chemistry dynamic like in Jigokuraku plus Ayashimon as an action shonen was competing against the likes of One Piece, Jujutsu Kaisen, and MHA that also contributed to it's eventual cancellation
Let's be honest, safe for the first arc, Ayashimon never really got going. Yes the premise was good, yes the art was good and the author had experience working with a weekly series in Jump + (Jigokuraku), but it never got going, for whatever reason (maybe the characters where not developed enough, maybe it was difficult for people to be invested given that JJK and Sakamoto Days touch similar topics, etc.). It's a shame because I've been following the series since the start, and I'm a fan of Yuji Kaku (I think Jigokuraku is great), but you could tell that, while the series had potential, it had been stuck in a bit of a malaise for a time. Anyhow, it's never a good sight seeing a mangaka get the axe, but I'm sure Yuji Kaku will be coming back sooner rather than later, as he has proven that he has what it takes to run a successful manga, it simply didn't pan out this time.
If it's cancelled, wasn't it because there are people disliking it or it wasn't well-received? You can't be like "if you don't like what I like, then there's something wrong with you" kind of mindset.
I sensed and knew ayashimon was gonna get canceled. I heard that a really good manga got cancelled so that ayashimon could take it's place. Jump needs to realize that the era of heavy hitting best sellers like DBZ, Naruto and One Piece are over. You can't keep expecting to catch lightning in a bottle so many times. Times change and people change.
Too soon to claim this, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen exploded literally two and one year ago with popularity. Demon Slayer already surpassed Bleach while MHA and Jujutsu Kaisen are getting closer to surpassing Hunter x Hunter in sales.
Do your research first before claiming anything. Heavy hitters are over? Lol, Jujutsu is selling more than 1 million copies per volume, are you kidding me?
i think its the opposite alot of their series are selling at a rapid pace the problem is that those seires are relatively shorter than in bleach dbz naruto era
In general people try to downplay the success of media they don’t like. I saw it a lot with Bleach back in the day, people pretty much denying it was popular or that people liked it. So with Roboco it tends to be stuff like: - The series is lazy and leeching off more popular manga because it relies on references when that is just a part of the humor and not the entirety of it. Like Shugomaru also has a ton of references and it may be cancelled soon. - Some made up favoritism and argument about it being an ad… when most of the parodies are of much more popular series - People denying it’s popular, even though the Undead Unluck mangaka mentioned how popular it is with elementary school kids, the various promotion and merch the manga has received. The lost in paradise PV made by the mangaka has a million views. - People not understanding that sales aren’t everything, especially for gag manga. Still ultimately, things you don’t like can sometimes be popular and things you like can be unpopular, doesn’t mean there was some nefarious intent behind it.
26 chapters is more than enough of a chance to flourish. Ayashimon didn't do that. It just went with the same repetitive shtick all throughout. That's why it got cancelled. Not because Roboco does better.
What you call a "problem" is actually a feature of Weekly Shonen Jump for at least 50 years !! The cancellation always happens after a lack of votes and sales of the volume by the JAPANESE readers. Weekly Shonen Magazine and Weekly Shonen Sunday do not work like that. Yet Jump is more successful than those. Therefore, the Jump system is not going to change obviously. This video is just venting...
@@ChibiReviews If we ever get another series about making manga like Bakuman, we better get an arc about a manga reviewer that gets shit on for dooming every series they review. Then one day the MC becomes the victim of one of these 'cursed reviews' and their goal for that arc is to stay on the magazine and maybe get record sales on their latest volume lol
Man I literally was just catching up on Ayashimon and I see the last chapter says “The End” I was like wtf kind of ending was that lol. It’s like the biggest troll ending right before the fight with Doppo. At least Doron Dororon is hanging in there for now (I hope). I’ve been enjoying it so far.
"Waaaahhhhh my mediocre generic mangas are canceled! Time to blame it all on the actually good mangas I don't read! I want my fighting genre waaaaahhhhhh"
Ayashimon was just not doing well at all for weeks now. It not surprising why it got axed, aside the interesting setting of the seedy underworld of Japan being controled by Yokai, what killed it was going hard for the battle-shonen genre and playing it safe from then on. Look at the titles it had to compete on the same genre, well established series with unique charms, and Ayashimon's direct competitor on the same genre and themes is Jujutsu Kaisen, who just had its best year ever. If you wanna keep afloat against titles like these, you better come up with something that makes you stand out, while Ayashimon had a very interesting setting with lots of potential, i read week to week and noticed how little it made use of it in a creative way before going to just "MC Strong!" "MC Punch!", and Maruo, our main character, was not really offering much to the story, plus the design test Gintama mentioned, it wasnt catchy enough, the secondary characters were far more interesting and less used. This series wouldve benefited so much by being in another genre, something that leans more in the themes of the city's underworld and supernatural entities, like a mystery/crime series, maybe some elements of noir, make out protagonist lean more on the criminal background making them more morally grey. Another thing that killed it was the author's jump from Jump+ to WSJ, from having the liberty on the previous publisher to a more restricive ambient, following guidelines. Anyone paying attention saw the writing in the wall, the chapters were being discussed less and less, it wasnt having that much push online, hell, the art tag of Ayashimon on some sites wont pass the 1 page, it was just not having much of a presence. Its being talked more now because of its cancelation than the entire time it was being published. I know Kaku (the author) can do great stuff, Hell's Paradise is amazing, but this was just a domino effect of bad choices.
I was there for Ayashimon since day 1. It's... a hard pill to swallow honestly as I was enjoying it despite the critique I've seen on reddit and of course the Japanese not really digging it that much. I now know the pain of seeing a series you like get axed. If you've seen the latest chapter, then you *know* the feeling when you opened the first few pages. No matter what happens in Shonen Jump. I will standby with what I like because at the end of the day Every series has their fanbase.
Personally, I love Me & Roboco. Wouldn’t call it a fave, but like Magu-Chan was, it’s a breath of fresh air, it’s comforting. It is also very much a manga for fans of Shonen Jump, with how it parodies other manga. The more SJ you read, the more you get out of it, which makes it very much a complementary series to the magazine. Shonen Jump does have a problem with cycling through new manga too quickly, but as someone who works for a comic too, we do try and get a mix. But anyway, people should leave Me&Roboco alone. Also, I have the action figure (as seen in the actual Manga a while back) on preorder.
I don't know about this manga. But having slow periods or arcs in shows can be a way to build something greater. But slow periods like that can result in a drop in sales, and with the way Jump is, you realize that it is harder for authors to do that and that they might be too afraid to slow things down in their stories. So we miss out on a lot of potential stories with buildup like that.
I feel like a lot of newer manga readers would really benefit from going back and reading Bakuman. Just shy of 200 chapters and gives a great overview of manga magazines' inner workings. There's an entire arc about gag manga's role in Shonen Jump which answers a lot of the complaints I've been hearing online!
I think its very safe to say that blue box won't get axed. 53 chapters (i think) in and it's doing so well with it's characters and the actual romance progresses so well without barely misunderstandings to drag the plot.
@@Khalid-xc3di Plus, Blue Box doesn't use fanservice as a crutch to catch attention. It's just that wholesome type of romance like in Ore Monogatari or Komi-san
@@brandonadrien3476 exactly! I love all of wholesome moments in blue box. All the characters especially the main 3 are so wonderfully written. Taki feels refreshing as a male MC in romance manga for some reason and for once, i love both of the female leads. I respect hina's honesty and i love chinatsu cool headed personality. I can't wait to buy the manga once it's out!
Yeah, maybe in the first couple chapters but it's pacing was super off and they introduced way too many characters too early. Why sideline what seemed to be the two MCs for a bunch of ancillary characters.
@@billybased64 I feel like that whole arc was rushed since the mangaka knew his story was gonna get cancelled so he just decided to throw everything in.
I wish some American publisher contacted the mangakas of cancelled works and revived them. Buy the rights from SJ and continue it. There a gold mine hiden there that SJ stops digging to move on to the next rock. They’ll never find gold
Just wanted to point out that HxH actually doesn't take up a space in the magazine. Whenever HxH comes back usually another series leaves the magazine for it. And whenever it leaves, a new series comes in to take up its spot. I believe the last time it ended Chainsaw Man took its spot(I THINK)
I really felt that ayasimon was up to something. At the same time i felt that it was rushed from the very beginning which is an outcome of jumps current state. I'll never get a conclusion for the characters I've grown to love and that's sad
i get that they had to cancel 2 series to add 2 more at this serialisation meeting but doron dororon and protect me shugomaru were infinitely worse than ayashimon
Shonen Jump should really start to give stories time to get fleshed out, it's like not letting a comedian finish his joke and then proceeding to say that the joke was unfunny
It's always saddened me to see a new IP getting canned from Jump. From the few other comments I've seen, I don't think Japan will try independent publishing for long stories. Doujins are limited in terms of content and seem to have less revenue from it; even famous doujin artists don't make much if you compare them to a short-term industry manga with the same amount of content. And for us in the west, our numbers in total sales don't even come close to theirs. The big manga companies do see our numbers but are not impressed enough to make some kind of push to keep the IPs. ''Sure theirs a big fanbase in the west for one of the IPs, but if the money doesn't match or is close to it then what's the point in promoting/keeping it. And to add another thing to my comment, a lot of manga is starting to be short. Not hitting the 500-700+ chapters (which is fine a lot of written masterpieces are short), the new game plan for manga is: to get popular quick, get anime, a movie(s), end the manga around the 300-400 chs mark, and get more seasons for the anime. it happened to Demon slayer, Dr.stone, and now BlackClover, JJK, and MHA are following suit. anyway great vid, keep up the good work
Isn't it very natural for shonen jump to do this.they have strict quality control.the omnibus collector has a good video on this.i recommend his channel.
I am a reader of Jump front to back and I've been doing a deep dive on Bakuman for a long time. I have read Me & Roboco, I enjoy it. It makes me chuckle. I also enjoyed Ayashimon. Although it was tonally inconsistent, to say the least. As Bakuman points out, Gag Manga tend to have a lower bar for success than story manga: gag manga do not have to be the uber-successes that story manga do as long as they can retain a stable readership and stable sales. I could not tell you the logic for it. But if I had to guess, the people who read gag manga tend to read and purchase gag manga ancillaries at a higher rate than the average story reader, and the demos for gags often veer towards younger. Me & Roboco is definitely aimed at a sub 14 Japanese boy Demographic with the main character having only entered 6th grade in the latest few chapters. That and for Japanese pre-teen boys, most of the main character struggles would be pretty relatable. At any given time, I've found about 3 true blue gag manga running in the back of the magazine. With that Demographic focus, Me & Roboco probably sells at a stable level and because Young boys don't have the cash to buy the manga regularly they share it and convince their parents to get them merch instead. As you are likely aware, Jump is having a crisis of decreased circulation and they need anything that will keep their readership up. Pair that with a bevy of stapel series - Undead Unluck, One Piece, Sakamoto, Mashle, Misson Yozakura, JJK, Elusive Samura, Blue Box et. al - taking up well over half the magazine, and the burden to be excellent is much higher on purely story based manga which need to be legitimately successful to keep their pull. pair that with the editorial burden of having to run serialization meetings every few months to determine which series are simply not pulling their weight in sales and rankings, and even if something is good, if it's not superlative, it's toast. I'm pretty sure Protect Me shugomaru - a much shittier gag manga - is about to be canned because it fails to be a funny gag manga. And let's not forget newcoming potential hits that may blow everything out f the water. Manga is a fundamentally speculative venture. With all that in mind, I'm not happy with, but also not really surprised that Ayashimon fell short. It's been a pretty so-so reading experience. I have similar concerns about Doron Dororon. But it's the nature fo the magazine. A video worth watching on this subject comes from the Omnibus Collector who goes over the details of cancellations over time. It may interest you to learn the actual statistisc.s
Gag manga are insanely popular in Japan. in Japan humor>action period. The reason One Piece does so well everywhere is because it has a good mix of both and more.
It's not the crazy action shonen that's the bread and butter of Shonen jump, it's the gag manga. Even dragon ball at one point was a gag manga and pretty much everything from naruto, One piece, and even Kaguya has crazy amount of comedy thrown in.
Thanks for the video Chibi! And Roboco is great. People really want it to get canceled... But I'm not surprised by that, yup it's jealousy. Just how humanity is sadly... I'm so hurt by Ayashimon getting axed ):
I decide to read first chapter of roboca after watch this video and no it wasnt like gintama. It was like crayon shinchan, doraemon, chibi maruko chan, bakabon, etc. Western maybe not really familiar with all that series but it was really popular in japan.
I think there is a formula to what works in WSJ. Good chemistry within the main cast. All the Big 3 (new and old) had a cast that worked well with each other. Bleach with Ichigo and the Soul Reapers, Naruto and whatever ninja joined with him that week, One Piece with the Strawhats and whatever poor sod they dragged along, Dragon Ball and the Z-Fighters, Jojo and its many casts, YuYu Hakusho and its four protagonists, Black Clover and the Bulls, MHA and the heroes, JJK and the sorcerers etc etc. It came to me while reading Doron Dororon where the author was bounching ideas for supporting cast to go with his lead duo. He was trying to find the best chemistry for his cast, I think.
Roboco is quality, it's been a while since a Manga has been able to make me laugh. Another one was Magu Chan God of destruction, another hidden gem with a satisfying conclusion.
Red hood didn’t have direction. Ayashimon didn’t have a good main character. Maruo had no depth. All he had to him was the “I want to be like a mang mc”… which he quickly became and for me the fights weren’t interesting. The world and mafia aspect looked cool but maruo was not interesting. I remember reading a Reddit post about how “a shounen Jump manga having “potential” or throwing the word potential around doesn’t mean anything that’s literally just fans word for “hope they want to be there when a new series blows up before it actually does”. Red hood, phantom seer, time paradox ghost writer literally everyone of the fans of these newbies always say they have “potential “ and ignore the actual happenings of these stories and look into why maybe Japan didn’t care about these series. Phantom seer had a similar issue in that the mc of that series had nothing to him. Having an aimless mc character can work, look at Yusuke & Killua, but these writers or Maruo and the phantom seer guy don’t have the skills to make these characters interesting enough to make maruo be aimless and complex like a yusuke. your looking to blame something else other than just accept the fact that Ayashimon didn’t use its panel them effectively enough to make the Japanese audience care about it, & for it mostly lands on maruo just not having depth to him but also the boring fighting system of that world. I haven’t read robocco but High School Famliy is a gag manga and it’s fantastic. It’s niche but great. SHONEN JUMP DONT CARE AND WILL NEVER CARE ABLUT THE WEST. And they shouldn’t. We’re not the ones actually buying the magazine. What polls? Ayashimon always placed in the bottom of the table of contents. Lower than robocco , Mashle, high school family. Sakamoto days, Mashle, Elusive Samurai, jjk, all these series survived the same process of axing that all older sj manga had to survive to remain in the magazine. Every series gets a fair shake at this. Ayashimon has no one to blame for its cancellation other than its self , Ayashimon
these are other times, the market and the investors wants something "more" from the IPs that they sell. If One Piece would've have launch this year or last year, it would have been axed on chapter 20
Jump needs those gags manga, those romantic Manga, even those eechi ones. Even if it's not everyone's cup of tea. If you want to know why the magazine needs that variaty an easy way to learn that is reading Bakuman, it has great inside on how the magazine works.
For real a lot of these anime and manga fans aren’t educated on how shonen jump works they need to watch or read bakuman they think they are the target audience that’s why they complain so much on Twitter
They should consider moving the manga’s to their app vs just cancelling them. There are multiple series that get cancelled because they try rushing the storyline instead of just letting the story build
That’s just how the industry is unfortunately, the manga market in Japan is so enormous that the market in West is basically completely negligible/nonexistent by comparison. Not any other manga in Jump’s fault that another series got canceled.
Just a note, When comparing total volume sales you also need to account for how many volumes comprise that total sales number, like, compare Me & Roboco's numbers across 7 volumes to Sakamoto's numbers across 5 or even Elusive Samurai's numbers across 3 volumes, basically, Roboco's numbers come out to 80k per volumes sold. Now, I just want to make it clear that I'm not blaming Roboco for Ayashimon getting canceled, but I do think prematurely cancelling a series when you don't actually have a lot of well proven series around. To put this in perspective, of the current Shonen Jump line-up, only six series have been running for more than two years, one of which is the notoriously terminal Hunter X Hunter, and another is the soon to be ending MHA, so nearly the entire line-up of Shonen jump is unproven or coming to an end very soon. Yes you have breakout series like Blue Box, Elusive Samurai and PPPPP, but those are the exceptions, not the rules here. And so when you cancel a series with very apparent potential like Ayashimon, it makes you wonder, when two or three other series are also threatening to vacate their spots, is this really a good idea?
Ayashimon had reported sales of around 18k for the first volume, that’s not very good for a series from a veteran author doing an action series. Also it was always low on the ToC so it probably wasn’t getting strong survey results, so why keep it if everything tells you the series is not popular. At worst you replace it with an equally unpopular series.
The séries didn’t have potential because the Japanese readers didn’t like it enough. It is much smarter for the magazine to try another series. Yes it is unfortunate for the mangaka but as a business decision cancelling Ayashimon makes sense.
Ayashimon literally only sold 18k per volume. No, that's not good and it was also in the bottom 5 most of the time in the TOC rankings. It was just good sense in cancelling an unpopular manga.
I think that, as shonen Jump has lost big series like Naruto and Bleach, and other successful series like My Hero Academia and Black Clover are already coming to an end, Shonen Jump's looking for a series that can fit those gaps fast. Even though the recent mangas are good, they didn't manage to fulfill the expectations in time. So, basically, Shonen Jump is reaching for a series that just goes viral and becomes the "new Naruto" from the start, and when a manga doesn't perform as good as they expect they just cancel it and go for another one
If people read Bakuman, they would know that comedy manga have a higher chance to survive in Jump while going mainstream with battle manga is very risky. The manga will have to compete with other manga in the same genre. Even if Roboco wasn't popular and axed, Ayashimon wouldn't survive too since the slot for Roboco would be replaced by another gag manga.
Ayashimon had a bad passing for the jump, if it were in Jump+ it might have an opportunity. Mashle, Undead Unluck are the real reason of other cancellation reasons, this two sold pace is weird... Robocop had a fanbase, a japanese one, a robust to that. The shonen jump want to have at least two parody series, Robocop won't take the place of "serious battle adventure" series, it takes the spot of comedy mangas (there are 3 spots for absurd comedy, but is really just "comedy" for japanese standards). Ayakashi triangle is on the digital now so there is not echii series at the moment. Me & roboco is pretty funny!, The hxh parody chapters are so fun... And depressing in a way (since it reminds me the joy of reading hxh :'/, damnit!).
Imo, Ayashimon was the Build King as Hells Paradise was to Toriko. I loved Toriko and Hells Paradise because they felt fleshed out world building wise, the characters were visually appealing, interesting and likable and they just oozed creativity and felt fresh. I just didn't get any of these vibes from the mangakas latest series.
It would be nice if they could take global audience into account as to whether a series should continue. Or at least if it has a good global appeal continue it through another way like some other ones they've done that got removed from WSJ but kept them going. But of course it ultimately comes down to the Japanese readers & their preferences. It is unfortunate but that struggle for life is what pushes out all the great manga the magazine has so sometimes some good ones get thrown away just because everything else is more popular.
Shonen Jump is a magazine with many genre, so it's not only action, but it can be comedy, romance, etc. Blaming other genre for cancellation of action manga doesn't make sense. The reason behind cancellation is because many mangaka applied their manga to Shonen Jump every week so the editor team need to consider which manga need to be cancel next week. if they want a space to new manga but they doesn't want to cancel any existing manga, they will consider one of the existing manga to be transfer to another magazine. (like they did to Chainsaw Man). So if you wanted to blame someone, blame the editor team, not the existing manga.
Ayashimon was the new manga that actually had much more potential than anything else in jump. They really don’t know what they are doing in this magazine. They should’ve just pushed it to jump + to let it grow
Manga is constantly cancelled in Shonen Jump. There’s a lot of battle manga already and they tend to not over saturate the magazine. Variety is good, and there’s almost always a gag manga running in the magazine. This one doubles as one that advertises other manga so it works on a ton of great levels. But honestly, it’s just also a good and consistently funny manga.
Ayashimon gets in the bin
I have a proposal, chibi: wait until a series reaches about 10 chapters, then start talking about it. Maybe this will void the curse
DAMN. I liked this one man, I’m upset it got axed. It’s not perfect but it had a lot of potential. Hopefully something even better comes out of its cancelling
Robocco covers are just plagiarism tbh no originality ayashimon was dope the art was great however story wise if they didn’t give the main character some kinda power it wasn’t gonna go anywhere sadly in less than 15 chapters it didn’t pull on any heart strings for anyone, mangas In shonen are lowkey ass rn sigh smh
roboco is the goat
Jump really needs to give mangaka time to develop there stories (especially new mangaka) not every manga can be a one piece or dr. stone, at this point I'm starting to wonder if oda will even be allowed to quit after one piece. Really sad to hear this continues.
It doesn't not matter what the global audience wants, ultimately the Japanese audience is the one who will pull the strings.
Very true
@@ChibiReviews omg! thx for the heart :)
yeah and it sucks because Japan thinks Demon slayer is the greatest thing ever meanwhile, better stories imo are cut off and looked past because it cant relate to a high school teen or it doesnt have cute waifus
@Dark Knight Top selling manga in the west also tend to be shonen action series... the Japense aren't this enlightened audience that is drawn to more intellectual series. They do have slightly different preferences, but most things that are very popular here are also very popular there. Demon Slayer was a best seller in Japan in addition to the US, One Piece is still the best selling manga in Japan overall, and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, DBZ, and Pokemon continue to be important cultural touchstones for Japan.
The major area where Japanese audiences diverge from western audiences is that they are super into stories that heavily revolve around their history and culture (hence the popularity of things like Demon Slayer and Jujutsu Kaisen). This is why Elusive Samurai is still in the magazine, because it's basically just a period piece. And the newer manga, Akane-Banashi, also seems pretty popular. Ayashimon seems to be an exception, which is interesting and hard to explain.
This is why I say... Import to have Equal standing in their market.
While it is unfortunate that Ayashimon was canceled, I do believe that a lot of people in the west need to understand is that we can't point blame on other mangas that we don't enjoy. If anything i feel like if a manga is canceled in the magazine, they should be moved to shonen plus to see how they do online, before finally pulling the plug.
The manga sold like dog shit. That's why it was cancelled
The problem is that Japan is really behind in terms of marketing globally they are too stuck in their own marked that they haven’t catch up with the rest of the world just look at how Nintendo is handled for example their business motto is way past it’s time they are lucky that most of it’s fans are people that are stuck in nostalgia.
@@mrdisaster5880 yeah, because they don't need to. When Demon Slayer sold like 5-6 million copies per volume in Japan alone, why do they need the paltry sales other nations provide? Also, America isn't only foreign market. There's China and SEA just to remind you westerners.
@@mrdisaster5880 Bro this is manga,its biggest costumer base is Japan not the west lol.
@Mr disaster Lol the entire Western Market buys of manga are just a drop in the ocean that happens in Japan.
Roboco is one of the funniest gag manga in shounen jump rn, blaming it for other series cancellation is stupid af
Me and Robocco is a great series! It's a shame people don't give it a chance, it definitely has big Gintama vibes like a few weeks ago they did a reference to the meruem walk past netero and Silva! Definitely is a love note to essential anime scenes through the decades
I'm starting to think that mangaka should start going independant. America has some pretty great creator-owned companies like Image Comics and I think some mangaka should try that angle instead. Would it be as profitable as being under a major company like Shonen Jump or Kodansha? Probably not, but at least the creators can be free to tell the stories they want to tell.
Or webtoon. They're pretty huge now
Actually you’re onto something
The comic industry is dying and people are getting sick of super heroes
And a lot of mangaka’s with potential are getting axed
Edit: It’s a pretty appealing opportunity
Will creators REALLY be free to tell the stories they want to tell ? Going with some like Jump gives creators the freedom to create content like Chainsawman. Something like that would not fly with the western publishers
@@enderking6904 aren't doujins a thing?
@@shazzatulanam6680 kinda hard to make money off independent works, you get a lot less protections and benefits with doujins and they’ll always sell for less if anything at all
I think people need to realize that manga being cancelled isn't unusual and at the rate that it is. People are only complaining now cause of how popular manga has become and how accessible it is. But its really not any different than how it used to be.
Anyone else remember the days of dread when we prayed for Mashle Magic and Muscles and Undead Unluck to not get cancelled??? Thank god that will never happen since they are both good sellers now. If Ayashimon is in the bin now... Dorondororon aswell as Gachi Akuta could go in that route too despite them having SUCH AWESOME POTENTIAL.
Gachiakuta is not the same magazine + its volumes sold very well or at least seems like it, numbers soon revealed I think
@@namaryu3082 thank you for that Namaryu. Sorry bout that, I just have Gachi Akuta on my mind alot.
Gachiakuta isn't weekly shonen jump....
i really hope Doron doesnt get the axe. im really liking that manga🙏🏿
@@VanillaRaiin It will get axed
It sells worse than ayashimon
You guys don't hate Roboco, you fear Roboco, with it's lack of boundaries.
In a more serious note, blaming other series or mangaka for another series getting cancelled is being a shitty person. These artists put their souls on paper every day, and you shouldn't try to make them feel guilty about a colleague losing their spot on the magazine.
Couldn't agree more
I legit just don’t like it and I love things like Gintama, Haven’t you heard I’m Sakamoto, Dr. Slump, etc. It just always reminded me a poor man’s Dr. slump with some gintama style parody thrown in.
But the series cancellations are WSJ expecting high numbers out of the gate while refusing to let them organically grow/being impatient.
Facts dude
@@cancerstinks1 no offense but that’s just unrealistic. The only group that matters is Japan. A bunch of westerners hyping a series isn’t going to do shit
@@GiraffeBlood Westerners seems to think the world revolves around them.
To be honest, the moment Kishimoto himself got canned by the magazine with Samurai 8, I pretty much learned that nobody with a new series is safe. I personally barely bother with new manga anymore, and I definitely don't bother with new Jump manga. I guess technically I did briefly check out Build King since I was a pretty big Toriko fan, but that was also cancelled.
Build King had potential
@@ChibiReviews except the author being a pedophile
Tbh, I feel it was to Ayashimon's detriment when they pulled focus back from yakuza culture and organization to focus on Maruo's 1v1 antics. The fights aren't really spectacular compared to the other action manga in Jump (Undead Unluck, JJK, One Piece, HxH, Black Clover, etc.), and it doesn't help that the magazine already has a handful of bodyguard-type MCs (Yozakura Family, Sakamoto Days, Protect Me Shugomaru, arguably Mashle, arguably Roboco, and arguably Earthchild).
I kinda feel it couldn't find a distinct path to call its own and make people fully look straight at it. At least, not within Jump's short timeframe
I agree actually
Yup its safer to be unique in jump than try to compete in a genre where you get alot of competion and those said competion are like the big shonen titles
@@ChibiReviews Even with its artstyle and fight choreography, I can feel like "I can just read Sakamoto Days for wilder fights and more fun antics". Sakamoto and Shin have been putting in work and their dynamic has been more endearing than Maruo and Urara (yes, even by the amount of chapters that Ayashimon has now).
@@Snzn_7 nigga how unique can they be? You can't sit here and tell me that if one piece came out today it wouldn't get axed 💀
I love one piece, black clover, and thank god mha is ending
But like they're all fundamentally the same with their fantasy setting with wacky powers of some shit. Same shit with red hood, shonen jump is just ass.
I understand where you're coming from but how can you expect the series to find its own path when you don't even give it enough time to go beyond 20 chapters
I thought Ayashimon was alright, but I could see why people weren't jiving with the series, and it seemed to be pretty evident
But you gotta be some kind of manchild to blame Me & Roboco for Ayashimon's cancelation
Well, Blue Box has definitely escaped the cancellation and axed curse you talked about lol. It's actually doing incredibly well and is one of the biggest current Shōnen Jump titles rn which is pretty darn impressive if you ask me
Glad I didn’t start this series, I can’t handle anymore heartbreak from shonen jump
Feels bad
That’s the thing. I feel if we all try to hype up newer series that enter Shonen Jump they’d have a fighting chance. (The ones that deserve it)
Same, I'm still upset that Noah's Note was cancelled and I'm exhausted starting new series in there.
I don't care for 90% of shonen AT ALL DUE TO HOW STALE IT IS. I prefer fantasy than anything else.
Undead Unluck, Sakamoto Days, Mashle, Yozakura Family, Elusive Samurai, and Blue Box seemed to have found solid footing in the magazine so far. Now, I don't see any of them being SUPER long-term series, so spots could open up quite a bit next year.
With MHA and other manga ending soon... there will be a few spots
@@ChibiReviews Oh yeah, MHA is in the last arc and Black Clover starts its final arc after it gets out of hiatus too. Jujutsu Kaisen probably has 1-2 arcs left after the Culling Games too. Man, that lineup sure will alter soon. And on the monthly side, Blue Exorcist is in its final arc too.
@@brandonadrien3476 And Twin Star and Seraph of the End
Blue Box will definitely not go anywhere anytime soon.
@@murderman8578 I can't say I can estimate that for Seraph of the End with the ridiculous decisions to follow Guren's crazy plan in what's basically blind faith "cuz he's family". How long would you say Twin Star Exorcist has left?
I read Ayashimon, and while I did like it, to me something felt off about the series. Like it was missing something for it to click and get the gears going. Thats the best way I can describe it. JP audience reins supreme and I think it always will, while rest of the world is second fiddle if we can even call it that. I ain't sad Ayashimon is gone, rumors about it getting removed had been going on for a while.
I recently discovered Me & Roboco and really enjoy it, but I think there’s also a lot of cultural significance behind it because the entire premise of the manga is basically a 1:1 parody of Doraemon (M&R volume 1’s cover is based on Doraemon volume 1’s cover).
I’m not Japanese, but I grew up reading English translated Doraemon manga, and the first few chapters of Me & Roboco felt very nostalgic with characters I felt familiar with the moment they’re introduced in the first panel they appear in.
I think this attributes a lot to how much the Japanese audience adores Me & Roboco, not just because of taste/preference between the west and Japan, but the whole setup feels like a nostalgic love letter to Japan’s equivalent to Mickey Mouse.
Exactly. series like doraemon, crayon shinchan, ninja hattori, bakabon, etc. maybe not popular in the west but from what i see in nobita from japan yt, it still watched and favorites of many japanese.
alot of people felt like the MC was contributing factor as to why it was canceled. Many were calling him a poor mans Denji.
i personally think he lacked proper agency, he felt more like someone being pulled around by the plot as opposed to be an active participant. Sometimes it's hard to tell if he is even the perspective character or not. if he were to work he would need to be more active as opposed to reactive.
pfft--- you weebs and your shounen manga references (silently judges while reading Doraemon)
@@tikateeqa4825 Been a whole year not even trippin off this video you be blessed kiddo
I saw an announcement that "me and roboco" will have an anime adaptation and thought that I should give the manga a try so I read it despite of being skeptical and It's actually really really good
I enjoyed it more than I expected and it's now one of my favorite new manga series
I'm worried for Akane-Banashi. I'm really enjoying so far and it's such a great break from all the action-heavy series. But since PPPPPP didn't get axed I'm afraid that Akane-Banashi might get cut instead
That’s not really how it works, if akane banashi is succesful it will stay.
Same. IMO Akane-banashi is probably the best thing to come out of jump since Ayashimon.
From what I heard PPPPPP is doing well in Japan so I don't see it getting axe anytime soon
Hate to be the bearer of bad news.
This makes sense. The problem here is that Battle shonen is already a well-represented genre in jump they are all competing for limited spots that can't only be represented by them. So they can't just have potential they need to be exceptional from the start.
This is so true. People forget that Jump is a brand and a magazine, and gag manga is a huge part of that brand. Of course the battle Shonen are the most popular, but you can’t have a magazine with no variety. It’s ultimately a magazine for kids, and they want variety. But people outside the sphere that don’t get magazines are confused, because they never bought a comic anthology in their life, because they’ve only read manga.
Boku to Robocco is very unique and funny. I've been following it since the first chapter. You have no idea how much reference the author puts in in one chapter. It also subverts many trope and very unpredictable.
I think the western audience should watch Doraemon and read more manga to understand the references, then find them to be brilliant gag.
People need to learn to not get attached to new series so fast. In a lot of cases, it's fairly easy to tell from the first three chapters alone whether a new series is going to get axed or not. A lot of people just get so attached to a new series in the first three chapters that they become unable to look at the series from a neutral pov to judge whether it is likely going to be axed or not.
While Ayashimon was definitely one of the few cases, where it wasn't obvious early on, lots of other manga that people hyped up were obvious axes from the start, including Red Hood or right now Earth Child as well.
Doron Dororon is probably next up for getting cut as its sales are around the same ball park as Ayashimon and it so far has been pretty generic with only a few things that really stood out. The only reason you would keep that series around is because it has a high potential of selling merch because of Kusanagi. It doesn't really matter to me because I just recently dropped it but I have a feeling it'll get axed within the next few chapters so it probably wont matter.
People must understand that Shonen jump isn't just the Battle Shonen. They also have to make room for other genres like Sports, Romance, Comedy, Slice of life, ecchi, etc. Even though, Shonen Jump allocate 10 slots for Battle Shonen, but the segment is completely oversaturated with series like One Piece, MHA, JJK, OPM and Black Clover, that's why Jump moved some of the popular titles like Spy x Family, Chainsaw Man, World Trigger and Ayakashi Triangle to Jump+ to make room for more series.
it sucks that a bunch of series are being canceled
If I remember correctly jump has slot for different genres so the magazine can't be all battle,or gag or romance
So blaming manga from different genres is very wrong,what make it got axed is this particular manga is worse compared to their genres ignoring manga from different genres
That's exactly it. Jump generally tries to have a certain amount of battle, gag, romance, sports & 'other' (Something like Death Note). Roboco is firmly ensconced in the pure-gag category, and the only thing it'd be cancelling is competing gag manga.
... and the US tends not to like the various pure gag/parody series in Shonen Jump, just in general. It's very much for the Japanese audiences. I mean, there's some pretty deep cut references in Roboco at time, stuff from 90s Jump that aren't mainstream.
With everything Ayashimon was setting up i really thought it was safe, idk what to think about the Shonen Jump environment anymore
Kinda wishing it was published on another magazine that gave it time to develop
Tbh i could see why Ayashimon was cancelled the MC wasn't as interesting or compelling character wise, the pacing was all over the place, the characters didn't have the chemistry dynamic like in Jigokuraku plus Ayashimon as an action shonen was competing against the likes of One Piece, Jujutsu Kaisen, and MHA that also contributed to it's eventual cancellation
1:53 that cover loooks like a parody of the first ever dooraemon cover
Let's be honest, safe for the first arc, Ayashimon never really got going. Yes the premise was good, yes the art was good and the author had experience working with a weekly series in Jump + (Jigokuraku), but it never got going, for whatever reason (maybe the characters where not developed enough, maybe it was difficult for people to be invested given that JJK and Sakamoto Days touch similar topics, etc.). It's a shame because I've been following the series since the start, and I'm a fan of Yuji Kaku (I think Jigokuraku is great), but you could tell that, while the series had potential, it had been stuck in a bit of a malaise for a time. Anyhow, it's never a good sight seeing a mangaka get the axe, but I'm sure Yuji Kaku will be coming back sooner rather than later, as he has proven that he has what it takes to run a successful manga, it simply didn't pan out this time.
If it's cancelled, wasn't it because there are people disliking it or it wasn't well-received?
You can't be like "if you don't like what I like, then there's something wrong with you" kind of mindset.
I sensed and knew ayashimon was gonna get canceled. I heard that a really good manga got cancelled so that ayashimon could take it's place. Jump needs to realize that the era of heavy hitting best sellers like DBZ, Naruto and One Piece are over. You can't keep expecting to catch lightning in a bottle so many times. Times change and people change.
Too soon to claim this, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen exploded literally two and one year ago with popularity. Demon Slayer already surpassed Bleach while MHA and Jujutsu Kaisen are getting closer to surpassing Hunter x Hunter in sales.
Do your research first before claiming anything. Heavy hitters are over? Lol, Jujutsu is selling more than 1 million copies per volume, are you kidding me?
i think its the opposite alot of their series are selling at a rapid pace the problem is that those seires are relatively shorter than in bleach dbz naruto era
In general people try to downplay the success of media they don’t like. I saw it a lot with Bleach back in the day, people pretty much denying it was popular or that people liked it. So with Roboco it tends to be stuff like:
- The series is lazy and leeching off more popular manga because it relies on references when that is just a part of the humor and not the entirety of it. Like Shugomaru also has a ton of references and it may be cancelled soon.
- Some made up favoritism and argument about it being an ad… when most of the parodies are of much more popular series
- People denying it’s popular, even though the Undead Unluck mangaka mentioned how popular it is with elementary school kids, the various promotion and merch the manga has received. The lost in paradise PV made by the mangaka has a million views.
- People not understanding that sales aren’t everything, especially for gag manga.
Still ultimately, things you don’t like can sometimes be popular and things you like can be unpopular, doesn’t mean there was some nefarious intent behind it.
Westerners complaining about Jump despite not being the main market for manga and not even speaking Japanese. Yup, typical western fans.
Roboco is more along the lines of Kochikame and doreamon. Kochikame ran from 70s to 2021 so if anything i feel like Roboco really took its spot.
26 chapters is more than enough of a chance to flourish. Ayashimon didn't do that. It just went with the same repetitive shtick all throughout. That's why it got cancelled. Not because Roboco does better.
What you call a "problem" is actually a feature of Weekly Shonen Jump for at least 50 years !! The cancellation always happens after a lack of votes and sales of the volume by the JAPANESE readers. Weekly Shonen Magazine and Weekly Shonen Sunday do not work like that. Yet Jump is more successful than those. Therefore, the Jump system is not going to change obviously. This video is just venting...
Anybody claiming Me&Roboco is being used as a marketing tool must have skipped over the chapters that equate working at Shueisha with slavery.
Dammit chibi you killed another one
Am I the axe?
@@ChibiReviews YES YOU ARE!!😡
@@ChibiReviews If we ever get another series about making manga like Bakuman, we better get an arc about a manga reviewer that gets shit on for dooming every series they review. Then one day the MC becomes the victim of one of these 'cursed reviews' and their goal for that arc is to stay on the magazine and maybe get record sales on their latest volume lol
Man I literally was just catching up on Ayashimon and I see the last chapter says “The End” I was like wtf kind of ending was that lol. It’s like the biggest troll ending right before the fight with Doppo. At least Doron Dororon is hanging in there for now (I hope). I’ve been enjoying it so far.
"Waaaahhhhh my mediocre generic mangas are canceled! Time to blame it all on the actually good mangas I don't read! I want my fighting genre waaaaahhhhhh"
Ayashimon was just not doing well at all for weeks now. It not surprising why it got axed, aside the interesting setting of the seedy underworld of Japan being controled by Yokai, what killed it was going hard for the battle-shonen genre and playing it safe from then on. Look at the titles it had to compete on the same genre, well established series with unique charms, and Ayashimon's direct competitor on the same genre and themes is Jujutsu Kaisen, who just had its best year ever.
If you wanna keep afloat against titles like these, you better come up with something that makes you stand out, while Ayashimon had a very interesting setting with lots of potential, i read week to week and noticed how little it made use of it in a creative way before going to just "MC Strong!" "MC Punch!", and Maruo, our main character, was not really offering much to the story, plus the design test Gintama mentioned, it wasnt catchy enough, the secondary characters were far more interesting and less used.
This series wouldve benefited so much by being in another genre, something that leans more in the themes of the city's underworld and supernatural entities, like a mystery/crime series, maybe some elements of noir, make out protagonist lean more on the criminal background making them more morally grey.
Another thing that killed it was the author's jump from Jump+ to WSJ, from having the liberty on the previous publisher to a more restricive ambient, following guidelines.
Anyone paying attention saw the writing in the wall, the chapters were being discussed less and less, it wasnt having that much push online, hell, the art tag of Ayashimon on some sites wont pass the 1 page, it was just not having much of a presence. Its being talked more now because of its cancelation than the entire time it was being published. I know Kaku (the author) can do great stuff, Hell's Paradise is amazing, but this was just a domino effect of bad choices.
I was there for Ayashimon since day 1. It's... a hard pill to swallow honestly as I was enjoying it despite the critique I've seen on reddit and of course the Japanese not really digging it that much. I now know the pain of seeing a series you like get axed. If you've seen the latest chapter, then you *know* the feeling when you opened the first few pages. No matter what happens in Shonen Jump. I will standby with what I like because at the end of the day Every series has their fanbase.
Yeah I wouldn’t read a new Jump title until it’s solidified. Because you WILL be disappointed
Personally, I love Me & Roboco. Wouldn’t call it a fave, but like Magu-Chan was, it’s a breath of fresh air, it’s comforting. It is also very much a manga for fans of Shonen Jump, with how it parodies other manga. The more SJ you read, the more you get out of it, which makes it very much a complementary series to the magazine. Shonen Jump does have a problem with cycling through new manga too quickly, but as someone who works for a comic too, we do try and get a mix. But anyway, people should leave Me&Roboco alone. Also, I have the action figure (as seen in the actual Manga a while back) on preorder.
I don't know about this manga. But having slow periods or arcs in shows can be a way to build something greater. But slow periods like that can result in a drop in sales, and with the way Jump is, you realize that it is harder for authors to do that and that they might be too afraid to slow things down in their stories. So we miss out on a lot of potential stories with buildup like that.
I feel like a lot of newer manga readers would really benefit from going back and reading Bakuman. Just shy of 200 chapters and gives a great overview of manga magazines' inner workings. There's an entire arc about gag manga's role in Shonen Jump which answers a lot of the complaints I've been hearing online!
I love Bakuman! I bought the box set!
Blue Box is still running and you reviewed that. THANK GOODNESS, your curse ain't touch it.
That's a blessed manga
I think its very safe to say that blue box won't get axed. 53 chapters (i think) in and it's doing so well with it's characters and the actual romance progresses so well without barely misunderstandings to drag the plot.
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@@Khalid-xc3di Plus, Blue Box doesn't use fanservice as a crutch to catch attention. It's just that wholesome type of romance like in Ore Monogatari or Komi-san
@@brandonadrien3476 exactly! I love all of wholesome moments in blue box. All the characters especially the main 3 are so wonderfully written. Taki feels refreshing as a male MC in romance manga for some reason and for once, i love both of the female leads. I respect hina's honesty and i love chinatsu cool headed personality. I can't wait to buy the manga once it's out!
Chibi needs to hire an exorcist that will be there every time he reads a manga so he can stop Chibi’s curse from cancelling another series
LMFAO I do
I’m still hurting over Red Hood getting canceled. The potential that story had was crazy just for it to get axed.
There was no potential
Personally, I found that series was getting boring when they got to the exam arc.
Yeah, maybe in the first couple chapters but it's pacing was super off and they introduced way too many characters too early. Why sideline what seemed to be the two MCs for a bunch of ancillary characters.
@@miyako1909 Yeah im not gonna lie that whole game of tag was kinda wack but honestly the story wasnt given tme to bounce back.
@@billybased64 I feel like that whole arc was rushed since the mangaka knew his story was gonna get cancelled so he just decided to throw everything in.
I wish some American publisher contacted the mangakas of cancelled works and revived them. Buy the rights from SJ and continue it. There a gold mine hiden there that SJ stops digging to move on to the next rock. They’ll never find gold
Just wanted to point out that HxH actually doesn't take up a space in the magazine. Whenever HxH comes back usually another series leaves the magazine for it. And whenever it leaves, a new series comes in to take up its spot. I believe the last time it ended Chainsaw Man took its spot(I THINK)
I really felt that ayasimon was up to something. At the same time i felt that it was rushed from the very beginning which is an outcome of jumps current state. I'll never get a conclusion for the characters I've grown to love and that's sad
The weak should fear the knees of the strong.
Ayashimon being cancelled was the right move imo. It wasnt popular in japan.
i get that they had to cancel 2 series to add 2 more at this serialisation meeting but doron dororon and protect me shugomaru were infinitely worse than ayashimon
If oda started one piece today it would get cancelled. These guys are crazy
Wow I didn't expect this, I figured ayashimon would last. I was just starting to feel like I like it and want to read it each week
Shonen Jump should really start to give stories time to get fleshed out, it's like not letting a comedian finish his joke and then proceeding to say that the joke was unfunny
It's always saddened me to see a new IP getting canned from Jump.
From the few other comments I've seen, I don't think Japan will try independent publishing for long stories. Doujins are limited in terms of content and seem to have less revenue from it; even famous doujin artists don't make much if you compare them to a short-term industry manga with the same amount of content. And for us in the west, our numbers in total sales don't even come close to theirs. The big manga companies do see our numbers but are not impressed enough to make some kind of push to keep the IPs. ''Sure theirs a big fanbase in the west for one of the IPs, but if the money doesn't match or is close to it then what's the point in promoting/keeping it.
And to add another thing to my comment, a lot of manga is starting to be short. Not hitting the 500-700+ chapters (which is fine a lot of written masterpieces are short), the new game plan for manga is: to get popular quick, get anime, a movie(s), end the manga around the 300-400 chs mark, and get more seasons for the anime. it happened to Demon slayer, Dr.stone, and now BlackClover, JJK, and MHA are following suit.
anyway great vid, keep up the good work
Isn't it very natural for shonen jump to do this.they have strict quality control.the omnibus collector has a good video on this.i recommend his channel.
Yes they do. Popularity in Japan is what matters and as the biggest manga magazine in Japan, Jump is very competitive.
I'm on the opposite side. I found Ayashimon extremely bland compared to Kaku's previous work. Predictable outcome even for an established mangaka.
Same
I am a reader of Jump front to back and I've been doing a deep dive on Bakuman for a long time. I have read Me & Roboco, I enjoy it. It makes me chuckle. I also enjoyed Ayashimon. Although it was tonally inconsistent, to say the least.
As Bakuman points out, Gag Manga tend to have a lower bar for success than story manga: gag manga do not have to be the uber-successes that story manga do as long as they can retain a stable readership and stable sales. I could not tell you the logic for it. But if I had to guess, the people who read gag manga tend to read and purchase gag manga ancillaries at a higher rate than the average story reader, and the demos for gags often veer towards younger. Me & Roboco is definitely aimed at a sub 14 Japanese boy Demographic with the main character having only entered 6th grade in the latest few chapters. That and for Japanese pre-teen boys, most of the main character struggles would be pretty relatable. At any given time, I've found about 3 true blue gag manga running in the back of the magazine.
With that Demographic focus, Me & Roboco probably sells at a stable level and because Young boys don't have the cash to buy the manga regularly they share it and convince their parents to get them merch instead. As you are likely aware, Jump is having a crisis of decreased circulation and they need anything that will keep their readership up.
Pair that with a bevy of stapel series - Undead Unluck, One Piece, Sakamoto, Mashle, Misson Yozakura, JJK, Elusive Samura, Blue Box et. al - taking up well over half the magazine, and the burden to be excellent is much higher on purely story based manga which need to be legitimately successful to keep their pull.
pair that with the editorial burden of having to run serialization meetings every few months to determine which series are simply not pulling their weight in sales and rankings, and even if something is good, if it's not superlative, it's toast. I'm pretty sure Protect Me shugomaru - a much shittier gag manga - is about to be canned because it fails to be a funny gag manga. And let's not forget newcoming potential hits that may blow everything out f the water. Manga is a fundamentally speculative venture.
With all that in mind, I'm not happy with, but also not really surprised that Ayashimon fell short. It's been a pretty so-so reading experience. I have similar concerns about Doron Dororon. But it's the nature fo the magazine.
A video worth watching on this subject comes from the Omnibus Collector who goes over the details of cancellations over time. It may interest you to learn the actual statistisc.s
Gag manga are insanely popular in Japan. in Japan humor>action period. The reason One Piece does so well everywhere is because it has a good mix of both and more.
It's not the crazy action shonen that's the bread and butter of Shonen jump, it's the gag manga. Even dragon ball at one point was a gag manga and pretty much everything from naruto, One piece, and even Kaguya has crazy amount of comedy thrown in.
Thanks for the video Chibi! And Roboco is great. People really want it to get canceled... But I'm not surprised by that, yup it's jealousy.
Just how humanity is sadly... I'm so hurt by Ayashimon getting axed ):
Stay far away from Sakamoto Days fam lol I need that to stay around.
CALLBACK TO WHEN YOU SAID YOU WERE EXPECTING GREAT THINGS FROM AYASHIMON AND I LITERALLY COMMENTED THAT ITLL BE CANCELLED SOON
sad
I decide to read first chapter of roboca after watch this video and no it wasnt like gintama. It was like crayon shinchan, doraemon, chibi maruko chan, bakabon, etc. Western maybe not really familiar with all that series but it was really popular in japan.
NEW META: USE GREEN SCREEN TO SHOWCASE WHATS BEHIND THE GREEN SCREEN ! This man has ascended beyond g o d .
LMAO
It's not Roboco's fault that it's simply the superior series
Blaming the success of another genre for its own downfall sounds stupid
Some of y’all need to get over Red Hood, it was not popular at all in Japan and that’s why it was cancelled
I like the interesting double-meaning of the title. "Me & Robocco is the reason..."
Chibi, I hope it's not your fault after all ;)
Glad you noticed that
I think there is a formula to what works in WSJ. Good chemistry within the main cast. All the Big 3 (new and old) had a cast that worked well with each other. Bleach with Ichigo and the Soul Reapers, Naruto and whatever ninja joined with him that week, One Piece with the Strawhats and whatever poor sod they dragged along, Dragon Ball and the Z-Fighters, Jojo and its many casts, YuYu Hakusho and its four protagonists, Black Clover and the Bulls, MHA and the heroes, JJK and the sorcerers etc etc. It came to me while reading Doron Dororon where the author was bounching ideas for supporting cast to go with his lead duo. He was trying to find the best chemistry for his cast, I think.
wow I didn't know that Me & Roboco did that with the covers
that's really cool
Roboco is quality, it's been a while since a Manga has been able to make me laugh. Another one was Magu Chan God of destruction, another hidden gem with a satisfying conclusion.
Red hood didn’t have direction.
Ayashimon didn’t have a good main character. Maruo had no depth. All he had to him was the “I want to be like a mang mc”… which he quickly became and for me the fights weren’t interesting. The world and mafia aspect looked cool but maruo was not interesting.
I remember reading a Reddit post about how “a shounen Jump manga having “potential” or throwing the word potential around doesn’t mean anything that’s literally just fans word for “hope they want to be there when a new series blows up before it actually does”. Red hood, phantom seer, time paradox ghost writer literally everyone of the fans of these newbies always say they have “potential “ and ignore the actual happenings of these stories and look into why maybe Japan didn’t care about these series. Phantom seer had a similar issue in that the mc of that series had nothing to him. Having an aimless mc character can work, look at Yusuke & Killua, but these writers or Maruo and the phantom seer guy don’t have the skills to make these characters interesting enough to make maruo be aimless and complex like a yusuke.
your looking to blame something else other than just accept the fact that Ayashimon didn’t use its panel them effectively enough to make the Japanese audience care about it, & for it mostly lands on maruo just not having depth to him but also the boring fighting system of that world.
I haven’t read robocco but High School Famliy is a gag manga and it’s fantastic. It’s niche but great. SHONEN JUMP DONT CARE AND WILL NEVER CARE ABLUT THE WEST. And they shouldn’t. We’re not the ones actually buying the magazine. What polls? Ayashimon always placed in the bottom of the table of contents. Lower than robocco , Mashle, high school family.
Sakamoto days, Mashle, Elusive Samurai, jjk, all these series survived the same process of axing that all older sj manga had to survive to remain in the magazine. Every series gets a fair shake at this. Ayashimon has no one to blame for its cancellation other than its self , Ayashimon
these are other times, the market and the investors wants something "more" from the IPs that they sell. If One Piece would've have launch this year or last year, it would have been axed on chapter 20
Jump needs those gags manga, those romantic Manga, even those eechi ones. Even if it's not everyone's cup of tea. If you want to know why the magazine needs that variaty an easy way to learn that is reading Bakuman, it has great inside on how the magazine works.
For real a lot of these anime and manga fans aren’t educated on how shonen jump works they need to watch or read bakuman they think they are the target audience that’s why they complain so much on Twitter
Well bakuman ain't lying when they said Gamble Manga, you don't know if its gonna be a hit.
They should consider moving the manga’s to their app vs just cancelling them. There are multiple series that get cancelled because they try rushing the storyline instead of just letting the story build
Jump+ also cancels series that are not popular. if you ever checked the japanese version and can read Japanese, you can find many of them.
That’s just how the industry is unfortunately, the manga market in Japan is so enormous that the market in West is basically completely negligible/nonexistent by comparison. Not any other manga in Jump’s fault that another series got canceled.
Just a note, When comparing total volume sales you also need to account for how many volumes comprise that total sales number, like, compare Me & Roboco's numbers across 7 volumes to Sakamoto's numbers across 5 or even Elusive Samurai's numbers across 3 volumes, basically, Roboco's numbers come out to 80k per volumes sold.
Now, I just want to make it clear that I'm not blaming Roboco for Ayashimon getting canceled, but I do think prematurely cancelling a series when you don't actually have a lot of well proven series around.
To put this in perspective, of the current Shonen Jump line-up, only six series have been running for more than two years, one of which is the notoriously terminal Hunter X Hunter, and another is the soon to be ending MHA, so nearly the entire line-up of Shonen jump is unproven or coming to an end very soon.
Yes you have breakout series like Blue Box, Elusive Samurai and PPPPP, but those are the exceptions, not the rules here.
And so when you cancel a series with very apparent potential like Ayashimon, it makes you wonder, when two or three other series are also threatening to vacate their spots, is this really a good idea?
Ayashimon had reported sales of around 18k for the first volume, that’s not very good for a series from a veteran author doing an action series. Also it was always low on the ToC so it probably wasn’t getting strong survey results, so why keep it if everything tells you the series is not popular. At worst you replace it with an equally unpopular series.
The séries didn’t have potential because the Japanese readers didn’t like it enough. It is much smarter for the magazine to try another series.
Yes it is unfortunate for the mangaka but as a business decision cancelling Ayashimon makes sense.
Ayashimon literally only sold 18k per volume. No, that's not good and it was also in the bottom 5 most of the time in the TOC rankings. It was just good sense in cancelling an unpopular manga.
I think that, as shonen Jump has lost big series like Naruto and Bleach, and other successful series like My Hero Academia and Black Clover are already coming to an end, Shonen Jump's looking for a series that can fit those gaps fast. Even though the recent mangas are good, they didn't manage to fulfill the expectations in time. So, basically, Shonen Jump is reaching for a series that just goes viral and becomes the "new Naruto" from the start, and when a manga doesn't perform as good as they expect they just cancel it and go for another one
If people read Bakuman, they would know that comedy manga have a higher chance to survive in Jump while going mainstream with battle manga is very risky. The manga will have to compete with other manga in the same genre. Even if Roboco wasn't popular and axed, Ayashimon wouldn't survive too since the slot for Roboco would be replaced by another gag manga.
Ayashimon had a bad passing for the jump, if it were in Jump+ it might have an opportunity.
Mashle, Undead Unluck are the real reason of other cancellation reasons, this two sold pace is weird... Robocop had a fanbase, a japanese one, a robust to that.
The shonen jump want to have at least two parody series, Robocop won't take the place of "serious battle adventure" series, it takes the spot of comedy mangas (there are 3 spots for absurd comedy, but is really just "comedy" for japanese standards).
Ayakashi triangle is on the digital now so there is not echii series at the moment.
Me & roboco is pretty funny!, The hxh parody chapters are so fun... And depressing in a way (since it reminds me the joy of reading hxh :'/, damnit!).
Imo, Ayashimon was the Build King as Hells Paradise was to Toriko. I loved Toriko and Hells Paradise because they felt fleshed out world building wise, the characters were visually appealing, interesting and likable and they just oozed creativity and felt fresh. I just didn't get any of these vibes from the mangakas latest series.
It would be nice if they could take global audience into account as to whether a series should continue. Or at least if it has a good global appeal continue it through another way like some other ones they've done that got removed from WSJ but kept them going. But of course it ultimately comes down to the Japanese readers & their preferences. It is unfortunate but that struggle for life is what pushes out all the great manga the magazine has so sometimes some good ones get thrown away just because everything else is more popular.
never read it before but clearly Jump wants variety and not just action adventure series
Shonen Jump is a magazine with many genre, so it's not only action, but it can be comedy, romance, etc. Blaming other genre for cancellation of action manga doesn't make sense. The reason behind cancellation is because many mangaka applied their manga to Shonen Jump every week so the editor team need to consider which manga need to be cancel next week. if they want a space to new manga but they doesn't want to cancel any existing manga, they will consider one of the existing manga to be transfer to another magazine. (like they did to Chainsaw Man).
So if you wanted to blame someone, blame the editor team, not the existing manga.
Can't get invested in any manga with long narratives until they start getting solid chapter numbers. It just hurts too much to see a story cut short.
Ayashimon was the new manga that actually had much more potential than anything else in jump. They really don’t know what they are doing in this magazine. They should’ve just pushed it to jump + to let it grow
I guess I'm gonna wait like thirty chapters before I start a new jump series
Maybe 50 actually if I think about it
Sadly not many manga make it to 20
Roboko is more akin to Kochikame or Saiki K than Gintama in my opinion, all of them being long running gag manga
I came into this video as you(Chibi) and someone named Roboco(another youtuber) being the reason cancellation is happening after reading the title...
Manga is constantly cancelled in Shonen Jump. There’s a lot of battle manga already and they tend to not over saturate the magazine. Variety is good, and there’s almost always a gag manga running in the magazine. This one doubles as one that advertises other manga so it works on a ton of great levels. But honestly, it’s just also a good and consistently funny manga.
thank you so much for the positive roboco video, so many people give it unnecessary hate! thank you!
Me and Roboco is peak. I will die on this hill.
I'm kind of disappointed in you Chibi, this is perhaps the most unnuanced take on the inner workings of Weekly Shonen Jump.